Im pretty sure most of the players have noticed that a town role has been killed.don_johnson wrote:did anyone notice we've already lost a town powerole?
maybe rvs should end here and now.
vote: sleepless assasin
for the obvious reasons of trying to pack in an FoS on his scumbuddy(i'm looking at you confid), a bandwagon vote(primate), a lame attempt at buddying me, and an AtE(smilie) all in one tiny post.
discuss.
Im pretty sure most of the players have noticed that a town role has been killed.don_johnson wrote:did anyone notice we've already lost a town powerole?
maybe rvs should end here and now.
vote: sleepless assasin
for the obvious reasons of trying to pack in an FoS on his scumbuddy(i'm looking at you confid), a bandwagon vote(primate), a lame attempt at buddying me, and an AtE(smilie) all in one tiny post.
discuss.
That was my mistake, I miscounted the number of players. But I still think that it would be a better strategy going into Day 2 because Day 1's lynch would provide alot more information for the next day. Also if there were to be a town or scum lynch the chances of the hider dying wouldn't be 2/9 to 3/9. It would be 3/9 to 4/9 simply because if the hider hides behind someone who is targeted they die along with the target so the chance of being killed is increased thus why hider claim would not be good Day 1 but better Day 2.don_johnson wrote:actually, 11 players alive, 10 after the lynch.OpposedForce wrote:]
I agree with hider not claiming for the stated above reasons because there is a chance of 2/10 of actually hitting scum (excluding the hider himself).
scum lynch: 2/9 chance of hider dieing with no benefit.
town lynch: 3/9 chance of hider dieing with no benefit.
but i'm not going to argue this anymore. the watchers do add a variable which i can't calculate. let's get some more SA votes.
guy0: how's that "moving the discussion forward" thing workin' out for ya?
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Vote: OpposedForce
This guy's not getting enough attention. Weak seemingly random vote on Princess also.
OpposedForce wrote: Don't like the Pomegranate votes.
Because the bandwagon is crap.Why?
You accuse Pomegranate of "jumping all over" the power role strategy when other people had showed support for it previously then said statement. What's different from other support posts? Secondly he already explained why he didn't want to vote Primate, the bandwagon was too large.Sleepless Assassin wrote:don_johnson wrote:
for the obvious reasons of trying to pack in an FoS on his scumbuddy(i'm looking at you confid), a bandwagon vote(primate), a lame attempt at buddying me, and an AtE(smilie) all in one tiny post.
-Scum aren't the only ones who ever FoS, obviously.
-bandwagoning in the RVS is NOT a bad thing.
-Not buddying. Just recognized your name and Confid's
-I always post a smiley at the beginning of a game. Usually it's when I confirm, but we did that by PMing the mod so couldn't do it that way.
Wow, this sounds so forced.guy0 wrote:It is unfortunate that one of the more valuable town power roles was killed by pure chance, but I don't think we should be hasty as a result of it.
Yes the deadline is relatively soon, but we shouldn't sacrifice being thorough as a result of it, let's just do what we can.
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No. At most, we hypoclaim. For example, everyone says "if I'm a hider, I hid behind XXXXX last night and will hide behind XXXXX tonight." That's what we did last time I played this setup.don_johnson wrote:okay. don't freak out. but.
at some point before the end of the day our hider should claim. DO NOT CLAIM YET. it is my understanding of the role that hider dies if they hide behind scum, no? so better to be out in the open and verbalizing targets. agree/disagree?
Pomegranate wrote: Agree. It's definitely best if we know the hider's target. We can confirm townies and scum. It's worth it in this setup, when we know that there's a hider. I've been Hider before, and this makes sense.
I think I'd vote Primate if he wasn't the largest BW at this point. Maybe soon.Unvote, Vote Pomegranate
First of all, love how you jump all over the idea of giving up our power role like that.
Second, why not vote Primate? Afraid of looking like a scummy wagoner? Massive scum tell right here.
lol that's because people are arguing against it and you don't want to look scummy.Pomegranate wrote:Seeing these arguments, I'm swayed. Sorry dj.
So the scum are Pom, guy, and Primate. Cool, we'll win this pretty quickly.
To answer your question and your previous suspicion (if you like to call it that) I voted BP mainly because she/he has not contirubuted much into conversation while contiuning to actively lurk.Thief wrote:KK
Don't like the Pomegranate votes
Do you still like your BP vote? Why?
That's quite the strech. You believe that he L-1 voted to implicate confidence in his beliefs and the williningness to take the heat for it.Primate wrote:Update on my opinions. Happy with vote on pm atm, looking at BP with interest. Chronopie did something that i would normally consider a towntell (bandwagon pushing for claim implying confidence and willingness to deal with attention on self), but I don't really think that's the full story in terms of mindset there at all given other considerations.That seems to be the only reason you did it though. Do you frequently pressure vote to bring people to -1 and claim in the way you did or did you also have other reasons for voting guy? Seeing as how you refer to it as a pressure vote, do you consider that mentally distinct from a lynch vote?Chrono wrote:This is a fairly common pressure vote reason. null-tell.
This is WIFOM. You're stating that people who recklessly vote on bandwagons is a town tell because they don't care if attention is drawn on them while on the other hand scum won't pull a move like that because they don't want attention drawn to them. Scum can easily pull the same move to fit this criteria of thinking which leads to a WIFOM arguement because it leads to what scum does and doesn't do.Primate wrote:No it isn't.guy0 wrote:Yes, but this is also a huge WIFOMPrimate wrote:I didn't say it was intentional. Bandwagonning recklessly with little reason is a town tell because it's so easy to get negative attention on you for little benefit that scum who know what they are generally avoid it. I don't remotely believe he did it as a signal, just that he did it and that's what I read into it. And it doesn't imply confidence in the vote, it implies confidence in your position in the game and willingness to defend yourself against arguments people may put on you for pressure votes and bandwagonning that is done with a town motive. Get what I mean there?
And yeah, I don't like how sure he's saying he was and the things he's saying he was sure about given context.
You can't ignore towntells just because the guy *might* have been faking them with no reasoning as to why you might think he would been doing so.
Wifoms just a joke anyway. Three levels is the most I've seen and that was a crazy game, one or no levels is most common, if you put the time in, that shits doable. All it is is trying to guess someones intentions when they made a post, it's no harder than reading a normal post. That is unless they phrase it in a way to invoke true wifom and no-one ever does that unless they're taking the piss or a real newb.
Convenient.Primate wrote:Just meta'd Chrono. More in line with scum play than town. hm.
This is WIFOM. You're stating that people who recklessly vote on bandwagons is a town tell because they don't care if attention is drawn on them while on the other hand scum won't pull a move like that because they don't want attention drawn to them. Scum can easily pull the same move to fit this criteria of thinking which leads to a WIFOM arguement because it leads to what scum does and doesn't do.Primate wrote:No it isn't.guy0 wrote:Yes, but this is also a huge WIFOMPrimate wrote:I didn't say it was intentional. Bandwagonning recklessly with little reason is a town tell because it's so easy to get negative attention on you for little benefit that scum who know what they are generally avoid it. I don't remotely believe he did it as a signal, just that he did it and that's what I read into it. And it doesn't imply confidence in the vote, it implies confidence in your position in the game and willingness to defend yourself against arguments people may put on you for pressure votes and bandwagonning that is done with a town motive. Get what I mean there?
And yeah, I don't like how sure he's saying he was and the things he's saying he was sure about given context.
You can't ignore towntells just because the guy *might* have been faking them with no reasoning as to why you might think he would been doing so.
Wifoms just a joke anyway. Three levels is the most I've seen and that was a crazy game, one or no levels is most common, if you put the time in, that shits doable. All it is is trying to guess someones intentions when they made a post, it's no harder than reading a normal post. That is unless they phrase it in a way to invoke true wifom and no-one ever does that unless they're taking the piss or a real newb.
Convenient.Primate wrote:Just meta'd Chrono. More in line with scum play than town. hm.
I don't think the post was a tell at all as a matter of fact. His vote on Guy didn't contain any reasoning on his vote or information so to state that he showed confidence by action whether scum or town is null because it can go either way. I voted him simply because he jumped onto a bandwagon without any basis which was my initial vote based on. However his bandwagon went to fast with Pom quickly putting a L-1 on him and SA putting the hammer. Chrono did not get a chance to respond properly and his bandwagon was rushed to a lynch in a matter of a few posts.Primate wrote:@Opposed.
Yes, he could be Scum faking town confidence, but that doesn't mean that the tell is invalid, what it means is that I misread the smaller parts of the tell that tell me whether he is scum faking town or town.
Also, you need to reread me if you think at any point I have had a position other than "I am suspicious of Chrono but I have doubts".
Anyway, now we'll know.
PS: The site is horrible at the minute, isn't it?
This was soon followed by a L-1 vote without a proper response by Chrono. Soon after SA put the hammer vote without any waiting or reasoning.Pomegranate wrote:OpposedForce wrote:That's quite the strech. You believe that he L-1 voted to implicate confidence in his beliefs and the williningness to take the heat for it.Primate wrote:Update on my opinions. Happy with vote on pm atm, looking at BP with interest. Chronopie did something that i would normally consider a towntell (bandwagon pushing for claim implying confidence and willingness to deal with attention on self), but I don't really think that's the full story in terms of mindset there at all given other considerations.That seems to be the only reason you did it though. Do you frequently pressure vote to bring people to -1 and claim in the way you did or did you also have other reasons for voting guy? Seeing as how you refer to it as a pressure vote, do you consider that mentally distinct from a lynch vote?Chrono wrote:This is a fairly common pressure vote reason. null-tell.
Mind you now folks that Chrono didn't even state any suspicion or comments regarding Guy0 BEFORE he placed his L-1 vote. Yeah he sure showed alot of confidence in that vote because he sure said alot of stuff to back it up.
Stop trying to protect your scum buddy and trying to bring him to a better light.I also find what Chrono did extremely scummy. Early BWs don't usually lead to lynches, and in this case, placing him at L-1, was scummy, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE ALL THE EXPLANATION THAT CAME WITH CHRONOS' VOTE WAS "Now's claiming time.". HUH/.
He put Guy at L-1 and requested a claim, despite the fact that this was his first mention of the wagon, let alone his first opinion