Open 218: Two-fold C9 - Game Over

[XScorpion]

Hello to
easjo
Chronopie
Scott
ODDin

Vote: Mr. Sandman

because he always beats my friend in Punch-out.

[XScorpion]

Actually the first person to post was Korejora, you should vote for him !

[XScorpion]

Chronopie is already convinced that I'm going to play village idiot again. Poor, misguided guy...thinking that I play every game the same...

[XScorpion]

Mr.Sandman (1) XScorpion
XScorpion (3) ODDin, inHimshallibe, Chronopie
inHimshallibe (1) Mr. Chaos
Mr. Chaos (1) easjo682
Elscouta (1) Mr.Sandman
Chronopie (1) Toon Fighter
easjo682 (1) Scott Brosius
Toon Fighter (1) Slepz
ODDin (1) Beefster
(No vote) Elscouta
12 alive; 7 votes lynch.

It is ongoing.

[XScorpion]

I never put much stock in meta, mainly since mine is pretty much all over the place...

[XScorpion]

I don't share your feelings, and I don't see why you need to unvote so quickly.

unvote
Vote: Easjo

I don't like easjo's reasons for voting, and playing like a VI with "voices in your head" makes me suspicious.
[/hypocrisy]

I don't see any problem with Oddins vote, should I?

You should, because you just said that you were voting for inhim because "he came up with a reason to switch his vote in RVS which as we all know is the single most scummy thing ever," which ODDin did first.

I see a need to change my vote,

also no real reason for switching my vote.

Self-contradiction is a scumtell.

[XScorpion]

I don't share your feelings, and I don't see why you need to unvote so quickly.

unvote
Vote: Easjo

I don't like easjo's reasons for voting, and playing like a VI with "voices in your head" makes me suspicious.
[/hypocrisy]

I don't see any problem with Oddins vote, should I?

You should, because you just said that you were voting for inhim because "he came up with a reason to switch his vote in RVS which as we all know is the single most scummy thing ever," which ODDin did first.

I see a need to change my vote,

also no real reason for switching my vote.

Self-contradiction is a scumtell.

[XScorpion]

It doesn't really make sense for scum-eas to fool around any more than it does for town-eas.

Actually, I've tried playing VI as scum before. It tends to create a lot of useful WIFOM and is especially useful when there are no cops to investigate you (as may be the case in this game), and becomes even more powerful when people like you start defending it. His play should be discouraged, because having a VI on later days of the game is very dangerous.

1. How long have you been playing Mafia? (inside and outside MS)
2. How would you describe your meta?
3. What's your win/loss record?
4. Favorite setup?
5. What do you think is the biggest scum tell?
6. How do you make your decisions?

1. 15 Aug 2009 apparently.
2. Unpredictable.
3. If I counted correctly, 4-6
4. I liked assassin in the palace, even though it ended abruptly last time I played
5. Lying/self-contradiction
6. I flip a coin of course. Who uses critical thinking or logic these days?



Also I see ODDin just posted before me. In regards to our last game, the only reason I didn't suspect him at all was because Zorblag swore to his innocence. Bad call
And yeah, ODDinscum didn't seem to pay much attention, which is probably why we didn't realize what he was doing.

[XScorpion]

As far as I'm concerned, RVS ended on page 2.
I find RQS is only useful when scum are sloppy, i.e. a scum says something later in the game that contradicts one of their RQS answers.

@Easjo: There is nothing more annoying than asking someone a question, hoping for a serious answer, then getting a joke response. "Voices in your head" do not help town. Can you give real answers to

What do you think about Oddin's vote?

and

eas: why do you "feel the need to change your vote"? Also, what's the idea of switching from one random vote to another random vote?

[XScorpion]

That still doesn't explain why you contradicted yourself.

[XScorpion]

Well, "I'm scum" is a good explanation for contradicting yourself

Hey Easjo, who is scum?

[XScorpion]

Either easjo had a reason to change her vote, or she didn't. In her first quote, she claims she had a "need to change" it, i.e. a reason. In her second, she claimed that there was no reason. These are mutually exclusive conditions.

[XScorpion]

Xscorpion, if you read the rest of that post, here it is for your convience

I see a need to change my vote,

vote: inhim
because he's been on this site the longest out of anyone else playing the game (I just lost the game) and is therefore is automatically more scummy, that and he came up with a reason to switch his vote in RVS which as we all know is the single most scummy thing ever

you would realize that it is not meant to be a serious vote.
for one I intentionally did exactly what I was accusing Oddin of
for two I didn't see at the time Oddins vote (which was only at post 33 mine at 37) was dead serious, I was of the opinion that he was still RVSing.

Whether it was serious or not is irrelevant, you still changed your vote, and I don't think it's a coincidence that you posted right after inHim's non random vote. I definitely don't buy that you changed your vote for "no reason," or that you would fail to read the whole thread before you voted.

There's too much debate around easjo and not enough votes on inHim.

Also :

Beefster seems extremely reluctant to vote inHim.
I feel XScorpion is overinterpreting the whole easjo issue.

Beefster is already voting for inhim...

[XScorpion]

Scorpion, how long had you been on the sight when you played VI as scum and were you successful?

If I did my math right, 6 months.
And yes, quite so.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13537

Waiting for easjo to tell me who is scum.
I'm not sure which is scummier: InHim's play, or the speed at which the bandwagon is picking up on him.

[XScorpion]

It only makes sense...if you were scum and your partner started acting like a VI, surely you wouldn't try to defend him?

[XScorpion]

I think you missed the "

Vote:

"

[XScorpion]

But seriously, if someone is town, they're not going to intentionally play the village idiot and it should be obvious.

I've done it before. It's actually a neat way to bait scum...scum are quite eager to jump on a VI wagon, and once you start looking at the reasoning of the people voting for you, you can often see scummy tendencies...

So basically what we have going right now is:
wagon 1: Beefster because he is a hypocrite.
wagon 2: Inhim because he claimed that ODDin's vote "wasn't better than a random note" and now is getting chewed out for his use of the word "better."

Seriously guys? And you thought my attack on easjo was lame...I don't like either of these wagons so I'm going to try to start a third one.

unvote
Vote: Mr. Chaos

because he hasn't contributed anything original. Also keeping an eye on the other people with low post counts (Slepz, Chrono, Scott).

[XScorpion]

Would you care to enlighten us as to what sorts of behaviours scum tend to exhibit that the rest of town does not?

[XScorpion]

You're kind of getting your point across, but that doesn't tell me what I want to know.

So, what I'm saying is, instead of blindly saying "this is a recognised scum-tell let's lynch", it might be smarter to think whether it actually looks like that player is scum or like that player is town.

What does scum look like?

[XScorpion]

Which of course, doesn't account for WIFOM.

I honestly can't say I agree with your approach, but after this game if you manage to catch scum and I don't then maybe I'll adopt your method.

[XScorpion]

Hey Mr. Chaos, who is scum?

[XScorpion]

I don't like this post. It comes across as xScorpion claiming to be town, as well as knowing ODDin's alignment, both of which are scummy. The fact that there are two scum groups clouds this slightly, however, given that scum can catch scum as well and therefore everyone in the game is essentially scumhunting.

I assume that even if ODDin is scum, he's scumhunting too, so at the end of the game I guess we'll see if he manages to discover who his enemies are.

I think there is scum on Inhim's bandwagon. Beefster's argument is absolutely horrible yet people have been flocking to push it.
@Mr. Sandman: any particular reason that you haven't voted beefster despite your many suggestions that he does scummy things?
@Confid: What's your opinion on Beefster and his attack of Inhim? Do you have any reads on people other than Inhim?
@Elscouta: Do you share ODDin's opinion of evaluating strategy over scumtells? If so, why does Inhim's play constitute scum? If not, what scumtells has he given besides the obvious "he voted for the first person to leave RVS?"
@Beefster: Do you care to make an argument against Inhim that isn't filled with hypocrisy?
@All four of you: If Inhim is scum, who is scum with him?

Of the four, if I had to guess at one being scum, I would say Elscouta. I don't like his sudden unvote of easjo, his coaching of Beefster, and his relentless assault on Inhim.

unvote
Vote: Elscouta

[XScorpion]

Hey Chrono, who is scum?

[XScorpion]

Hey ODDin, who is scum?
Same to Chevre, but I'll give him a chance to read the topic first.

I'm waiting for that Elscouta analysis from beefster still...and for Elscouta to post. His V/LA is up today.

[XScorpion]

@XScorpion: who do YOU think is scum. You've been doing an awful lot of asking other people who they thought was scum lately and not a lot of your own scumlists. I can see scum motives behind this sort of thing. FoS: XScorpion

Pay attention. I already said that I think there was scum on Inhim's bandwagon, hence why I asked the four of you about your motives.

You say this; however, you did answer the questions. You are contradicting yourself.

You seem to be confused as to what it means to contradict oneself. To say "I need to change my vote" then later "I voted for no reason" are contradictory, because a need to change a vote implies the existence of something (a reason) that enforces such a need. To say that RQS is useless yet answer the questions is simply compliance for something that I don't think will have a major effect on the game anyway.

[XScorpion]

Beefster and Inhim, is there any particular reason why you aren't voting for anyone?
Inhim, where is that player analysis you promised?
Beefster, if you think Elscouta is so suspicious, why don't you vote with me? And is that really all you found on your Elscouta analysis?
Elscouta, are you going to post or just active lurk?

And for the people on the Scott wagon, does he really look more like an active lurker than Elscouta?

[XScorpion]

Beefster's erroneous conclusion suggests only a few possibilities to me: 1) Scumbuddies, 2) Scum that knows Scott is town (or at least not on the same team), thus "Not on my scumlist" because he knows who's scum (at least part), or 3) newb-town.

Which do you believe most likely?

[XScorpion]

There are a lot of people to suspect and evidence is few and far between.

Yet you want me to stop trying to gather information and instead make wild accusations towards people so that you can push a nonsensical case against me like you did on Inhim?
Yeah sure </sarcasm>.

@mod: Can we prod Elscouta or get a replacement please?

[XScorpion]

Oh, and

Yup. I don't like to look at posts in the RVS and his posts looked null/town between the RVS and ISO8. It wasn't conclusive.

Pro-tip: Elscouta made more than 8 posts.

[XScorpion]

Oh and (sorry for triple post)

I know you mean well by it, but it comes off as avoiding scumhunting to me.

These are mutually exclusive. Either I'm trying to catch scum or I'm not. Pick one.

[XScorpion]

Says the guy who came up with RQS...

Your "analysis" of Elscouta was just two points about two things he said. I'm really struggling to see what else you said that could be considered an analysis...

[XScorpion]

Hi Karma!
I'm voting you because your predecessor had a grand total one 1 scum read, did no scumhunting, and was generally useless. If you would be so kind as to actually point out obv. scum and not be like Elscouta then I might unvote you

[XScorpion]

EBWODP: of 1 scum read

[XScorpion]

^^ This guy is awesome, I like him already. It's one of the first real arguments I've seen all game, so let's pay special attention, ok kids?

unvote

Vote: Mr. Chaos

While beefster looks like obv. scum at this point, the people who are hurriedly jumping to his wagon could easily be on the other faction. I'll withhold from hopping on the beefster wagon since I'm in no hurry to end the day... and I want to pick out the scum on his wagon first. Karma has already pointed out everything I think is scummy about Chaos, not to mention that (as i said on page 5) he STILL hasn't contributed anything original.

Mr. Sandman, is there any particular reason why you suddenly left Chrono alone? You chastise Mr. Chaos for claiming that Chrono has begun to behave like town, yet you take the same action he does. And Chrono is also on the same wagon...you don't find this suspicious at all?
Easjo, same idea. You're voting for the same guy as your previously top suspect. I smell someone trying to get an easy lynch.

ConfidAnon, where'd you go?

[XScorpion]

I unvoted easjo to move on to scummier targets. The inhim wagon was pretty scummy-looking from my perspective, and easjo's only scumtell was his contradiction, plus my vote didn't seem to be as useful there as it might have been if Elscouta returned.

Chevre, you seem to be throwing around the word 'contradiction' a lot, although in each case, it is a different situation. Easjo's contradiction was simply that: him saying something that contradicted what he said earlier (no reason for changing a vote vs. a need to change a vote). My "contradiction" was simply a case of me saying that RQS is useless, yet still answering the questions. However, the only reason that would make any sense for me to not answer them is if I had something to hide. Meanwhile, Mr. Chaos' contradiction is more of an inconsistency: he drastically changes his view of Chrono in the span of two posts, which seems very sudden. Do you not see how it looks as though Mr. Chaos is simply dropping his attack on Chrono because Beefster is a much easier target?

And P.S.

Unfinished sentences really bug me. Could you finish it for me, Mr. Chaos?

See here: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/what-is-this-i-dont-even

[XScorpion]

What I'm trying to ask/say is that if you found the RQS useless, why did you answer the questions? This is going on in another (ongoing) game, though I must confess it is not exactly the same as yours, it is similar.

However, the only reason that would make any sense for me to not answer them is if I had something to hide.

If Beefster somehow was able to use my RQS answers to catch scum, despite my doubts, who am I to deny him the opportunity?

[XScorpion]

His last post before I unvoted gave me an oddly town vibe

personally, #1 or #2 seems most likely.

Putting my vote where my gut is at:

Unvote, Vote: Beefster

...This gives you a town vibe? Giving into me pressuring him to vote for someone he thinks is scummy? OK.

I'm not going to defend beefster, but it still looks to me like you are just rushing for the easiest lynch possible here.

If beefster is obv scum, why not lynch him?

Because, unlike you, I am in no rush to end the day. Is there some reason why you are in such a hurry to get a lynch?

IMO you can't pick scum out on a player-that-might-be-scum wagon, if you don't even know if he is.

And why not? If he is scum, then there may easily be scum on his wagon from the other faction. If he is town, then I can almost guarantee that there are scum on his wagon. Either way, I don't want the day to end in a rushed lynch of beefster without looking at who is on his wagon.

And why mention something you said half the game ago now, when you should have been mentioning it repeatedly?

Forgive me for not paying undivided attention to you and trying to pressure you to scumhunt in every post I make. I'll try to make up for it now.

[XScorpion]

When I'm satisfied with the day's activities, if voting for beefster is the only way to ensure a lynch, then I suppose I'll vote for him. However, if Chaos ends up being scummier than him in the end, and I can get enough people supporting a lynch of him, then I think he is a reasonable lynch alternative.

[XScorpion]

inHimshallibe (1) ODDin
Beefster (5) Scott Brosius, Chronopie, Mr. Chaos, easjo682, Mr.Sandman
Scott Brosius (2) ConfidAnon, inHimshallibe
Mr. Chaos (3) Karma, XScorpion, Beefster
Karma (1) Chevre
12 alive; 7 votes lynch.

Unless 7 people vote for a no lynch, we'll have a lynch no matter what happens, will we not?

Unfortunately, no.

(d) Days last until I get impatient. Deadlines start a brief voting-only period to determine the lynch.

If the deadline fails to produce a lynch, there won't be one.

[XScorpion]

Don't dodge questions.

I'm afraid you're going to have to try and explain this one further to me. I don't see the connection. How does you not being able to explain things influence your read of another player/make you want unvote?

[XScorpion]

^ Question dodging.
Maybe this will encourage you?

unvote
Vote: Beefster

I'm afraid you're going to have to try and explain this one further to me. I don't see the connection. How does you not being able to explain things influence your read of another player/make you want unvote?

[XScorpion]

That was the hammer.
Way to pay attention.

[XScorpion]

EBWODP: nevermind I thought you were voting for someone else lol

[XScorpion]

So, are you going to try to actually find scum then?

[XScorpion]

-I'm surprised he didn't attack me for voting Scorp.

What?

It's been provoking some discussion so I don't really think it's scummy. He has provided some opinions with the questions too.

[XScorpion]

@Inhim: You seem to think Scott is scum. Yet you are prepared to hammer his enemy Beefster...I suppose you think they are on opposite scumteams? If so, what's your opinion of a Chaos/Scott scumteam?

[XScorpion]

...oh shit.
4 Townies, 4 scum.
This is pretty scary...

[XScorpion]

@Mod: do we get to know which faction killed which person?

[XScorpion]

lol triplepost
I miscounted: 5 townies, 4 scum. Still bad.

[XScorpion]

The difference is, in that game I knew the game wasn't over.
In this game, town is in trouble no matter what perspective you may have or what faction you are on. If we fail to lynch scum today then we either have to gamble on scum killing each other (which makes no sense for them to try to do), otherwise 2 townspeople vs. 4 scum is pretty much gg for town.

[XScorpion]

In other words, you're voting for me because you think commenting on the game state is a scumtell. Interesting argument.
If you care to come up with things I did yesterday that are indicative of scum, be my guest.

[XScorpion]

Yay, another set of triple posts!
I'm going to put down the vote I had yesterday (before voting Beefster because he gave up on the game), and hope that we had it right the first time:

vote: Mr. Chaos

[XScorpion]

XScorpion (1) Scott Brosius
Mr. Chaos (2) XScorpion, Karma
(No vote) Chronopie, ConfidAnon, ODDin, Mr.Sandman, easjo682, Mr. Chaos

I think he's likely scum, but I don't think I'm as convinced of it as you seem to be.
Is there anything you didn't mention yesterday that has suggested to you that he is guaranteed to be scum? I'm not seeing it.

[XScorpion]

And why not?
You've been hinting that you think he is scummy since yesterday, but you still haven't placed a vote on him. Not to mention that in your post where you listed your 4 suspects, he wasn't included. Bandwagon much?

P.S. just realized that the ISO function is back, that should make things a lot easier

[XScorpion]

Or you could look at the perspective of a townsperson who is simply trying to lynch someone who is likely to be scum.
The thing is, at this point in the game, scum have just as much incentive to lynch scum as town does. The only difference is that each scum player doesn't want to lynch their partner, hence why I'm wary of people who are unwilling to vote for people they claim to be suspicious of.

ODDin + Chaos as scumbuddies. Discuss this possibilty.

I actually think that it's more likely that the scumpair is Chaos + Easjo.

[XScorpion]

Where did I advocate quick-lynching? I'm simply backing up my opinion with a vote. I said nothing about people voting without explaining themselves (like Karma, who has still yet to answer my question about his vote from page 12).
I'm also not so sure that scum "wants" to lynch town. I think it is more advantageous for each team to try to take out members of the other faction than it is to dwindle down the number of people who can't nightkill them.

[XScorpion]

So you're saying yesterday you were also 100% convinced he was scum?

[XScorpion]

Besides Chaos, do you have any opinions on...anybody?

[XScorpion]

Well it's not really Karma's fifth game, since he's an alt...

[XScorpion]

But there's no need for opinions on anyone else today.

This is horrible.

Vote:Karma

[XScorpion]

Mr. Chaos (1) Karma
easjo682 (1) Scott Brosius
Karma (1) XScorpion
(No vote) Chronopie, ConfidAnon, ODDin, Mr.Sandman, easjo682, Mr. Chaos

unvote
Vote: Karma

[XScorpion]

Especially Chrono who posted in the other game we're playing...

[XScorpion]

If you would like to suggest (and vote for) an alternative wagon to Karma or Chaos, feel free to do so. If you think Scott and Sandman are being scummy, vote!
I don't know about you, but I feel a lot more comfortable when everyone is 1) voting for someone and 2) doing so for a specified reason, especially in the early game, so that when it comes close to the end we can look back and examine voting patterns (which are arguably the biggest indicators of scum).

[XScorpion]

Mr. Chaos (1) Karma
easjo682 (1) Scott Brosius
Karma (2) XScorpion, Mr.Sandman
(No vote) Chronopie, ConfidAnon, ODDin, easjo682, Mr. Chaos

and Confidanon

Did people forget it's day 2 or something?

@Oddin: So let me get this straight: tunneling is scummy, yet that doesn't justify you voting for Karma? What exactly do people have to do to convince you to vote?

[XScorpion]

@Mod: prods please?

[XScorpion]

I'm surprised the mod hasn't gotten impatient yet from the lack of posting...
I bet if there was a deadline people would get back into the game :/

[XScorpion]

I've seen Karma lurk to victory as scum before.
See what I did there?

[XScorpion]

Yeah that was actually worse.
You weren't even watching the game.

[XScorpion]

More like, where in the fuck is everybody.
This game is dying and if the mod gets impatient and drops a deadline we are gonna have problems...sure we might get lucky and hit scum today (almost 50% chance!) but it will give us basically no information for tomorrow.

[XScorpion]

Too bad it's not as simple as just, you know, asking them...which is completely ridiculous.

prods for everyone who needs prods, please

[XScorpion]

Supposedly Chaos, Easjo and Karma are candidates for scum (according to past me).

[XScorpion]

Tazaro. And Dr. Oh god.

[XScorpion]

I hate replacements.

[XScorpion]

Now now, I don't

hate

you. I simply want you not to be alive...anymore. ^_^

[XScorpion]

Who is dr replacing? (please be karma please be karma).

[XScorpion]

That's fine, Mr. Chaos was pretty scummy. I'm okay with that lynch.

[XScorpion]

No, I've wanted Mr. Chaos lynched for a long time now. You just happened to be blessed with replacing him ^_^
Read the thread if you don't believe me.

[XScorpion]

Oh fun. You'll now have to endure the arduous trial of convincing me why you shouldn't die.

[XScorpion]

It took me till day 2 to get those feelings, but yeah, now's a good time.

[XScorpion]

vote: Equinox

No offense, but you replaced my top scum read.

[XScorpion]

Was this gut encouraged by saying I had a disturbing gut feeling toward Karma?

No. I was voting Karma before, I'm just placing my vote back because the mod removed it.
Your unwillingness to pressure Equinox/Karma is noted.

[XScorpion]

What is this, the middle ages?
Chivalry is dead.

[XScorpion]

You noted that I'm suspcious? I'm town in at least one of these games with you, scorp! I maintain I'm town in both.

Give me a pro-town explanation for not wanting to pressure people, especially someone in a spot that has a scummy history.

[XScorpion]

I'll just point out that not everyone on this site believes in sportsmanship, being nice, or that being anti-town is ok.
Just a warning for when you run into the people who nail you for it :O

[XScorpion]

Did you read the whole thread? Do you have any views besides Karma being suspicious? Content would be nice.
That goes for all replacements.
@People who aren't replacements: do you agree with Taz that I should cut equinox slack, despite my previous suspicions of Karma? Are you going to vote for the same people you are voting for, even if they were replaced? Opinions, please.

[XScorpion]

That didn't stop you from hastily voting for Karma, then unvoting.

[XScorpion]

Unless you are absolutely certain you are comfortable ending the game day right now, I suggest unvoting. If you're town, you want to hear me out; I know you do.

No one is going to lynch you before a) Easjo's spot is filled and b) everyone has posted a reasonable amount of content. I'm not going to unvote you. If you want to say something, say it.

[XScorpion]

Can you say this with absolute certainty? I have reason to fear a quick lynch. (Upon reflection, though, yeah, it probably wouldn't happen. I forgot that easjo682 doesn't have a replacement yet. More on this in my catch-up.)

Yes I can say this with absolute certainty, because I promise to see to it that any idiot who quickhammers you before I am satisfied will die tomorrow.
Unless you are scum, obviously.

[XScorpion]

Ugh, this is what happens when I'm away from my computer for a day...
OK 1 step at a time:
@Easjoreplacementguy: I'm surprised you have nothing to say about my suspicions of you from day 1. Trying to avoid attention or something?
@Tazaro: Do you plan on making a post like Easjoreplacementguy's or are you just gonna keep doing what you're doing? I would feel a lot better if you posted your comments on the whole game rather than piece by piece.
Also:

easjo's gameplay strikes me as newbscum and Hinduragi immediately went against Mr. Chaos and then left. I don't know see a better example of opportunism.

Where is your vote, drmyshottyizsik?

Where is your vote, equinox?

[XScorpion]

I can't defend myself against things I didn't say. That's the hindrance of replacing in.

You can at least comment on it. Do you think my attack was justified, etc. etc.

Point of fact: Hinduragi left; I'm still here... for cross examination, apparently, if Equinox's not finished. I suppose you're more suspicious of Karma/Equinox than Mr. Chaos/drmyshotty, Scorpion? Would you consider holding your nose and join the anti-drmyshotty party?

I'll give dr shotty ONE POST to make up for lack of content. If he fails, sure, I'll join.

[XScorpion]

@Tazaro: Do you plan on making a post like Easjoreplacementguy's or are you just gonna keep doing what you're doing?

[XScorpion]

I like wall-o-text. It puts everything out in the open so there's nothing to hide.
I also just realized that every townie has a 50-50 shot of picking out a person who is a scum, yet the scum only have 2/7 probability. Lol.

[XScorpion]

Just because something was posted in RVS doesn't mean we should ignore it.
I stand by what I said about that contradiction. Lying is scummy.

[XScorpion]

L-1, so nobody be stupid and lynch before everyone gets a decent amount of content in, ok?

[XScorpion]

Please don't hammer until Equinox comes back.

[XScorpion]

LOCK THE THREAD PLZ

[XScorpion]

7? Learn to count. There are two werewolves, two mafia and two townspeople left.

[XScorpion]

One of ODDin or Sandman is the other town.
Rest are scum.

Vote: Equinox

You should have died yesterday, but dr had to make a horrible fake-claim. Disappointing.

[XScorpion]

Scorpion: Why do you think hindu is scum?

Nothing major about hindu stood out, but I still stand by what I said about easjo.

[XScorpion]

Are those the teams? Can you explain why they are paired that way?
I'm very curious to see your reasoning on why ODDin and Sandman are scum.

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I just realized something.
Suppose we lynch mafia (for the sake of argument, doesn't actually matter which scum faction) today. Then we have 1 mafia, 2 town and 2 werewolves. If the mafia doesn't kill a werewolf (already 50% chance), wolves win. If the mafia kills a werewolf and the werewolves kill the mafia, it's lylo. If the mafia kills a werewolf and the werewolves kill town, town can only win if there is a no lynch the next day and the mafia/werewolf kill each other (unlikely since scum might as well just team up on the townie and draw for the win).
However, suppose we don't lynch today. Scum are inclined to aim for each other as opposed to town (since if one team doesn't and the other does, the faction with the most numbers is very likely to win), so I think the best option for me here is to

unvote, vote: No Lynch

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I highly highly doubt that there is a doctor/angel sitting around, given the probabilities and the fact that we already had a tracker flip, not to mention that the probability of the doctor/angel actually guessing in our favour is highly unlikely.

[XScorpion]

There's also the chance that the anti-werewolf role belongs to the mafia.

[XScorpion]

vote: no lynch

[XScorpion]

Figures...Mafia angel. Things weren't in our favour at all.

[XScorpion]

Quicktopic:
http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/8d4druAHt6WE

When Chrono flipped town...yeah. I echo Scott's sentiments exactly.

[XScorpion]

I prefer being vanilla townie to scum. Imagine how this game might have gone differently if Chrono and I switched spots.

[XScorpion]

I still think one scumteam getting a PR and not the other is unbalancing.
Basically, mafia won because they had the angel. If the werewolves had a doctor instead, we probably would have won, since Hind would have survived.

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Suppose you have no angel and we had a doctor.
You nightkill Hind and miss. We kill chrono. Next day you have to guess between Equinox and me, and you said yourself that you thought I was town. I basically gave up on day4 when Chrono flipped town, because I knew the best I could hope for was a draw.