Open 243 - Polygamist Mafia (Endgame)

[XScorpion]

Vote: Drshotty

before he claims cop/doctor/something stupid again.

damnit nopoint how long is this revenge gonna go on for?

[XScorpion]

I just realized something.
4v8
If we mislynch, 6v4. Scum shoots a townie, it's 4v4. game over?
Or did I do my math wrong?

[XScorpion]

Oh lol
I missed that part XD

[XScorpion]

Also is massclaim a good or bad idea here?

[XScorpion]

You're so screwed AKR. So screwed.
I'm with Beanman.
Also shotty's reign of terror is here! Let the OMGUS and anti-townness begin!

[XScorpion]

Aw
I guess I'll have to wait till tuesday for a shotty cop claim.

[XScorpion]

YAY I'm happy now.
In all seriousness though I'm not gonna have any chance of reading shotty this game XD

[XScorpion]

Doubts.
It's k, if I can't get a good read on you, someone else will. Hopefully beanman.

Um...massclaim must be good because we're doing it? I did suggest it first, after all

btw shotty, AKR already told us

[XScorpion]

No you have it wrong
Gandalf <3s Holycon
Beanman <3s XScorp
AKR <3s Shotty
Shotty <3s fakeclaims
XScorpion <3 Noone

[XScorpion]

...lol.

[XScorpion]

Why

[XScorpion]

Did someone mention shottyscum?

[XScorpion]

Who's got good meta knowledge of AKR? I'm keeping a close eye on him.

[XScorpion]

How would you decide randomly?
Otherwise I agree completely with it.

[XScorpion]

Well I agree that it takes away from the spirit of the game, so we shouldn't do it. But I'm curious as to how we would?

[XScorpion]

So it's not even an option. There ya go.

[XScorpion]

I'm sure there's some way the scum can still cheat that system. Let's just keep it simple and avoid the randomness, shall we?

So who here has played with AKR before? Our only game together, as far as I can recall, is ongoing and therefore tells me nothing.

[XScorpion]

My computer can refresh four times in one second. So we've already failed there. Can we stop talking about that?

This. AKR meta info plz.

[XScorpion]

Yes. Please don't take offense.

[XScorpion]

Well crap :/
Just try not to be a jester, ok? ^_^

[XScorpion]

We only have two days.
If we lynch scum, game over.
If we lynch town, it's lylo.

[XScorpion]

There's no night phase, so I'm pretty sure you can't vote for no lynch...

[XScorpion]

I see what you did thar mod

[XScorpion]

and there is a night phase, but thats worst case scenario.

Wut

[XScorpion]

The closest anyone should get to "defending" is arguing that one couple is scummier than another and therefore should be lynched.

[XScorpion]

13) Each day will last 3 weeks. If deadline hits without a majority, no player will be lynched and the polygamists will gain a nightkill.

In other words, there is no night phase 8D

It's not freaking coaching if there's a quicktopic for scum during the day. If Nacho wanted to coach, he'd do it in the quicktopic, not here.

[XScorpion]

I haven't taken nopoint seriously since our first game.
Because his reads are ALWAYS wrong.
So I don't think what he's doing is scummy, it's just useless ^_^
yay useless nopoint!

[XScorpion]

I have no words.
I just...yeah.

[XScorpion]

I have no words.
I just...yeah.

[XScorpion]

Read. Learn. Understand.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2173041

[XScorpion]

In case you guys are too lazy to click on that link and read it, here's the most relevant part:

Remember, bandwagons are good, pressure is good, votes are good. These are all things that create situations that are serious in game, and require reactions from not only the player who is being bandwagoned, but the other players in the game. Just because something is based on a low threshold for a vote does not mean it can’t be serious and have in game repercussions. By creating band wagons over a minorly scummy thing, you take the game out of the area of randomness, and into the realm of information. As people react to these bandwagons, as well as votes, you will get more information, which will create less random votes, and less random bandwagons. This is how we progress to better information.

[XScorpion]

@Xscorpion: I seem to have beginner’s .. bad luck xD. My recent games have more wins though!

You didn't win in our last game. You tied with us. Conveniently, you went gung-ho and got me lynched on day 1 in that game, and you were not town.

[XScorpion]

A good argument doesn't get a PR lynched before he can claim.

[XScorpion]

Active lurking is stupid.
What exactly is their to do?

If you are town, you would be scumhunting. Complaining about "nothing to do" is what scum does, because it is saying there's 'nothing to do' because no one happens to be attacking them at the moment.

The other plan was that you should only defend your lover which I didn't understand how that would help the townies in any way because you just pretty much coached the scum into not defending their counter parts and just defend who they said they love.

We went over this. It's not coaching if they have a quicktopic.

How can I suggest that someone is scum is no one has done anything to show scumness?

Have you played this game before? Do you think that the scum are just going to stand up and yell "I AM SCUM VOTE ME?"

Also I don't like this from Pieman:

@nopoint can you explain how a bandwagon, based on basically nothing, helps.

How else do you expect the first wagon to start? See the above quote from Bunny.
And then his vote afterward (before nopoint even responds to Pieman) is just bad.

This wagon attracts me. And the fact that Bunny's biggest post comes right after he gets attacked...hmm.

unvote
Vote: Pieman

[XScorpion]

holycon is your vote still random or is it serious now? Please confirm.

Also nacho, what sort of scumvibes are you getting from AKR?

[XScorpion]

OK, now explain why you don't want to vote Pieman?

[XScorpion]

thought tech its the same person

Exactly.

OK, now explain why you don't want to vote Pieman?

[XScorpion]

Can't scumhunt if no one is questioning/attacking another person. Like I said to Holycon, I don't start offense, I allow other to do it and I come in later.

This is a distinctively anti-town play style. You're essentially admitting that you're not going to scumhunt unless other people force you to. That's just bad.

Just because they have a quick topic does not mean they won't still coach. Could be the slip of the tongue or something. You can't just disclaim something because something else makes more sense, you must still be open to that idea.

Sure, it's possible, but that doesn't make it likely. Do you really think scum are just going to go out and openly tell each other how to play? I think it much more probable that Nacho was making an announcement to town to tell them to focus on attacking scum rather than defending others, which is good advice.

I've played before, don't expect scum to like just come out (just like to point out people votes Nopoint because they said he came out scum), but I do expect actions to show something.

And where do you expect these actions to come from if everyone is going to sit around and play like you?

Holycon has never said she had suspicion of pieman, why would you expect her to vote for pie?
To me it looks like your trying to make sure the spot light stays on Pieman and Me.

I certainly am. You two are the scummiest players so far, so why shouldn't you be the center of attention?

[XScorpion]

why are ou so worried about whether i'm going to vote pie or not?

Wishy-washy voting behaviour is a scumtell.

[XScorpion]

Anti-town play? Their is a way to play town? If their is wouldn't mafia just use that style of play? You can't expect everyone to follow these set of rules to define if they are mafia or town because EVERYONE has access to those rules.

Yes there is a way to play town, it's called 'being useful.' Being useless is scummy because only scum have no reason to scum hunt, and yes I can expect everyone to follow the set of rules that tell me what is considered 'pro-town' because only scum wouldn't follow them. Comprendé?

Thats the thing, no one plays like I do now do they? I do attack and question, just so happen I haven't done it this game, why? Because nothing has come to me that need questioning.

Then it's your responsibility to FIND things to question!

I don't know how to address that last part of yours. Why are we scummy? Because i have a different play style then everyone else, because I don't follow the lines of what defines townies and mafia, because I actually disagree with things been said?

Your playstyle is distinctively anti-town in nature and therefore makes you more likely to be scum than town.

and in what way have I been wishy-washy voting?

At the time I made that accusation, you had no vote on anyone, but had plenty of "oh I think this guy is suspicious."

At this point, I only have a slight scummy read from Pie/Bunny. Scums tend to defend more than they attack, but Bunny said early that it was his play style.

So you're buying his excuse, and letting him continue to play that way? Smart.

My partner is obviously not a master scumhunter and my lack of posting in our quicktopic (because there's absolutely no reason I should be using it) shows. Drshotty's vote is a complete joke (rofl can I quote your "voting yourself is pro-town" thing?) and I don't see how nopoint has a "strong scum read" when the only things bean has done is a) make a list of fos because he probably didn't read the whole thread yet and has no one to fill him in except for the post I made in our quicktopic saying that drshotty being scummy is a nulltell, and b) try to start a wagon on holycon because I suggested that holycon was wishywashy (which he was, but now he's voting for someone so it's cool). How you people can say "OMFG HIS ONE POST SUCKS HE MUST BE SCUM" is beyond me.

I actually have a town read on XScorp so far, but a strong scum read from the Bean dude.

This is a great excuse to try to get rid of me without actually making a case on me, which is insanely scummy. The only couple where I can understand trying to lynch because only one of them is scummy is in the case of AKR/drshotty, where reasonably scummy AKR should be lynched. Besides that, you better have a good case on both the partners or you're just wasting town time.
Also where does this "oh I suddenly think bunny/pie are town" come from? To me it looks like they are the most scummy pair of everyone...Bunny failed to present any content at all until he was attacked, and Pieman's play has been quite questionable (he still isn't scumhunting, he's just defending from Gandalf and others. Notice no progress on his case on nopoint?).

Okay, beanman is scum too, not that it matters. But really, you're going to FoS four people, implying that you have found the ENTIRE scumteam, rather than laying down a vote?

Tell me how your psychic powers confirm beanman is scum from one post. Go on.

[XScorpion]

You're really not reading the thread, are you?
I don't FoS people. It's not my style. I vote them.

On bunny:

and a couple of those defenses sounds bit like "ATE" which i dont like at all

So you think he is suspicious, in other words.

because hes not the person i'm most suspect of his partner is (thought tech its the same person)

But then you don't vote for him. Why? Did this mean you had a town read on Pieman? If not, why weren't you questioning Pieman about his actions (which were pretty easy to question...that nopoint vote was awful).

im also suspect of nopoint/nacho as well and untill one seems more scummy to me then the other i'm not going to vote

And this comes completely out of nowhere with no evidence or reasoning.
So you can hardly blame beanman for voting for you when you had barely explained yourself more than him.

also and tbh I don't have to vote anyone till i'm good and ready to vote them

Of course you don't. That doesn't make it the best town strategy. However holding your vote is a great scum strategy, it means that you have plenty of room to maneuver and engineer lynches.

[XScorpion]

yes i said i suspected his partner and yes i said i suspected nopoint (i ment nopoint/rav not nacho i just realized i wrote nacho) that is because some of the things they have done seem off to me but that dosnt make me wishy washy that means I'm questioning them getting more out of them not voting them just for the sake of voteing.

Voting for the sake of voting is actually a pretty pro-town approach. And see, now you're voting Raivann, but that didn't come from you questioning him at all. It came from him making an unexplained vote on the leading bandwagon. You're wishy-washy because you didn't actually vote until Raivann made himself look scummy, and then you're voting for him not because of how he responds to your questions, but how he behaves. Ask yourself this: who is more likely to be scum - beanman, who has basically done nothing except make a list of FoS because he's blatantly obviously not paying much attention, and then vote for you because he saw an argument he liked made by someone he KNEW was town, or Raivann, who is just hopping on whatever the leading wagon is at the time?

just like your partner i told him his post was a scum tell and look what i got an attack a reaction a post that was longer then 20 words also he got mad because i attacked him and guess what he voted me thats also a tell as well

'Getting mad' is not a tell. Voting for you because you made him angry is not a tell. Just because you say things are tells doesn't mean they are. Explain why scumbeanman would be voting for you and not just hopping on the pieman wagon with everyone else. I mean, it worked for Raivann, right?.

[XScorpion]

i say we lynch no point

But you're voting with him. Absolutely genius.

[XScorpion]

Explain to me how I'm scum. Go on. I dare you.

[XScorpion]

So you, like nopoint, are content to use beanman as an excuse to get me killed. I see how it is.

[XScorpion]

If I may ask, who besides nopoint/raivann IS at the top of your list?

[XScorpion]

Or maybe he just wants to start a wagon on someone who he thought was being scummy. What's your point?

[XScorpion]

You are aware that beanman and I essentially are the same person, right? And that I can answer/defend him just as much as he can?

@AKN: Nothing wrong with it if Bean scum is stronger than Xscorpion town, especially when coupled with my natural distrust to Xscorpion

If you're being serious, I feel sorry for you.

[XScorpion]

What accusations? All you've said is this:

Scum-typical-move LOL.

Lazy-town-typical-move LOL.

This is also funny, he fails to consider the possibility of me being scum. Since if I'm scum, "being ok" with a wagon on myself would not be at all detrimental to town.

Your ability to take what he says and twist it to make him look scummy is awesome.

[XScorpion]

Obviously Beanman meant that

if

you were town, what you were doing was anti-town, and if you were scum, then you should get lynched anyway.
And if you wanna get REALLY technical, it is detrimental to town because it wouldn't help us find out who your scumbuddies are.

[XScorpion]

To suspect Beanman is to suspect me, because he can only be scum if I am too.
I refuse to humor any more Beanman accusations that don't include a case on me.

[XScorpion]

So your saying because your townie, but your lover Beanman has been acting scummy according to others, your townieness should outweigh the fact of Beanman scumminess?

I'm saying that we are the same alignment. Unless you plan on explaining to me how BOTH of us are scum, not just him, then you are wasting my time.
I can see a Beanman wagon being very attractive to scum. They attack a weak player, allowing them to get rid of me without needing to make a case on me.

[XScorpion]

So your saying we should only vote if we find both lovers guilty?
Thats stupid to me. Really stupid.

So your saying we should vote out pro-town people just because their lovers aren't great players?
Thats stupid to me. Really stupid.

[XScorpion]

Can I get a divorce pl0x

[XScorpion]

I was the first on Bean's wagon so you can't really say he's a "weak player" at that point.

Why not?

And if you are town, why would scum want to get rid of you that desperately

Because I have a huge ego ^_^

[XScorpion]

Scum have a quicktopic that they are probably using to discuss everything. I doubt that they're not going to coach their weaker teammates. I can tell you now that if Beanman was scum with me, I'd have given him a much better opening post to use than 4 FoS's.
And just because someone is experienced doesn't mean they're going to play a completely town game if they're scum, otherwise an experienced scum would be undefeatable.

[XScorpion]

Unless of course this "huge mistake" is claiming scum or blatant lying or whatnot. But as far as I know, Beanman hasn't done such a thing.

[XScorpion]

Like I said before, I don't use our quicktopic much except to say hi at the beginning of the game and that drshotty is impossible to read.
Why on earth would I use it? Why do I need to tell him what to say? He's a big boy, he can take care of himself.

[XScorpion]

And couldn't the same thing potentially apply to scum. Thar you goes.

Except that him getting lynched doesn't mean that I would instantly lose the game. Whereas here I shouldn't have to coach my partner to appear townie, because that's not my job. My job is to lynch scum, not coach Beanman.

[XScorpion]

I have no words...

It's worse the second time around. Trust me.

[XScorpion]

Oh wow...I just realized it's the same game too. Sorry, my games with shotty tend to blend together in their absurdness.

[XScorpion]

Yeah pretty much.

[XScorpion]

Btw The scum are:
Bunnylover + PieMan
AKR + Shotty

What has AKR done that is scummy?

[XScorpion]

Am I mistaken or was shotty's vote a hammer?

[XScorpion]

Nvm, it wasn't.
How the hell do you know that we're even going to have a day 2?

[XScorpion]

I'll vote shotty as soon as I hear from Raivann why AKR is scummy.

[XScorpion]

It proves nothing. You're just flailing now.

I'd vote you but I'm still not convinced AKR is scum.

[XScorpion]

Or you're lying to cover up the fact that you just slipped.
Even IF you thought that way, why did you only say "lynch this pair, then this pair?" No "we'll lynch this guy, then if he flips scum, this guy?" Your failure to specify what the first lynch flip would do makes it hard to buy your story.

[XScorpion]

If you meant it, why didn't you say it?

[XScorpion]

Personally I think, if you are not as strong, you should talk to your teammate, in your quicktopic, and I think it is the responsibility of the other player, to help them learn how to play better.

Why not just, I dunno, post in the main topic...your suggestion only works for new scum players.
Apologies to bean if you're posting in our quicktopic cuz I'm seriously not gonna read it.

[XScorpion]

I'm still working on understanding Shotty, though.

If you succeed I will call you a master of mafiascum.

[XScorpion]

Nacho has a good point on the pieman wagon.

unvote
Vote: Drshotty

unless there's some reason why Raivann is worse.

[XScorpion]

AKR you havent been Scummy But you havent been townie ether and your partner has been very scummy and the read through i just did has me thinking shotty/akr is a better lynch then ravann/nopoint

UNVOTE:

VOTE: shotty

This is pretty much it. You (AKR) haven't really convinced me that you're town, and shotty is a liability to town at best.

[XScorpion]

Oh come on gandalf you can't denny his last three posts being scummy/active lurky man. Really I think he is being over looked

No, he's pretty likely town. COULD be scum, but Xs/bean/pie/bunny is far more likely.

So you don't agree with Nacho's conclusion regarding pie/bunny? And you think that the awful performance of my partner is an excuse to call me scum?

[XScorpion]

Question: Why would he coach nopoint by voting him here when he could just use the quicktopic?

[XScorpion]

Are you just going to keep complaining about people voting for you or are you actually going to scumhunt? Because if all you're going to do is complain then I don't think it'd be a big loss if we lynch you and you flipped town. As far as I'm concerned, the two of you are a liability at best, and scum if we're lucky. You haven't contributed anything significant, and Shotty just makes it harder to read the game.

[XScorpion]

We have at least 1 person from every pair voting shotty, don't we? -_-

unvote

Here's a quick rundown of who has voted for who:

AKR:
Votes XScorpion
Votes nopoint
Votes pieman
Votes Raivann

Beanman:
Votes Gandalf
Votes Holycon

Bunnylover:
Votes Raivann

Drshotty:
Votes XScorpion
Votes Nopoint
Votes Beanman
Votes Pieman
Votes Nopoint

Gandalf:
Votes Shotty
votes Pieman
Votes Shotty

Holycon:
Votes nopoint
Votes Pieman
Votes Raivann
Votes Shotty

Nacho:
Votes Pieman
Votes Shotty

Nopoint:
Votes XScorpion
Votes Beanman
Votes Pieman
Votes Shotty

Pieman:
Votes Gandalf
Votes Beanman
Votes Nopoint
Votes Shotty

Raivann:
Votes bunnylover
Votes XScorpion
Votes Pieman

XScorpion:
Votes Shotty
Votes Pieman
Votes Shotty

Zazier:
Non-existent

Hmm... I have a theory I want to test.

Vote: Raivann

[XScorpion]

Bingo.

[XScorpion]

Having 1 person from each of 5 pairs voting for someone doesn't automatically clear them. Since Nacho pointed it out early, scums can very well utilize it as their gambit.

Way too risky. If a scum gets lynched, they lose. There's no way I can see scum bussing each other in this game, especially all the way to L-1.

[XScorpion]

How about this case:
You haven't scumhunted in this game.
Raivann has done nothing but hop on easy wagons all game.
Is that empty enough of AtE and misrep for you?

[XScorpion]

I caught Shotty scum spill!.

We pretty much agreed early on that shotty 'scum spilling' is pretty null, as he is anti-town in every game.

Raivann's "novel view" is basically him just pushing a Pieman wagon because it was popular and using an awful case. Novel =/= good.

And you know I don't scum hunt D1. I'd prefer tunneling.

I think I recall saying you actually used to be a good scumhunter in the first game we played together. Since then, I guess you just haven't been up to your usual standard huh?
It's okay, we're here to put you out of your (scummy) misery.

[XScorpion]

No I mean using "us" too much is a pretty decent scum tell.

...No. Just...no.

but my method doesn't work well on Day1 so I like making jokes and tunneling on Day1.

This is not an excuse not to scumhunt on day 1. If it's possible to catch scum, you try. Period. Joking is for the jesters.

And I don't see more than 2 people agreeing that Shotty didn't scum spill.

Everything Shotty says is a scum spill.

Neither can you say I haven't scum hunted at all. Lengths of posts don't necessarily correlate with the amount of scum hunting you do.

Hmm let's see...
First 10 posts, nope, no scumhunting there.
Post #11 is just awful, I hesitate to even think of it as scumhunting.
12 is pretty bad too. So much for not moving your vote, by the way
13-16, nope.
17 is terribad. No reasoning, just a vote. Not to mention that you later completely flip around and at the moment you aren't voting for any of those 4 people.
19 is the closest you get to scumhunting in the whole game, and considering that it's shotty, it basically means nothing, because everything he does is anti-town.
And since then, yeah absolutely nothing. So I'm pretty sure I can say you haven't scumhunted at all.

[XScorpion]

Meaning, Raivann is now at L1, so don't switch unless you want to be responsible for the hammer.

Vote counts are reset.
Can we please get all the votes on the correct partner?

[XScorpion]

Oh. My vote stays though.

Everyone has to revote, and unless I missed your post where you voted again, you haven't casted a vote.
If you are voting for Raivann, switch to Nopoint since Raivann is no longer been included in the game lol.

He's voting shotty.

[XScorpion]

Sorry, make that Pieman.

[XScorpion]

Unvote

You know the drill, I'll be rereading and all that fun stuff. On another note, lol at being teamed with Xscorp and DMSIS(No roleclaims like last time, please) being in the game. It's like deja vu....

Wait did you just say your teamed with them two, as in they are your lovers?

Holy shit you are really desperate to get someone lynched aren't you.

@Hinduragi: I don't use the quicktopic so don't bother writing anything there.

[XScorpion]

I'm sorry I'm trying to find scum. Maybe I should change my tactic to just lurk, instead of asking question because I read something that seem like a slip to me.

Pro-tip: slips usually come from town. Try looking for scummy behaviour rather than language.

Can I get a vote count ?

[XScorpion]

Alright then.

vote: nopoint

[XScorpion]

No, that's L-1.

[XScorpion]

12 players. 7 to lynch. Shotty is vote#5, I am vote 6.

[XScorpion]

I guess you missed reading all the spots where nopoint refused to scumhunt and such, hmm?

[XScorpion]

Yes that post. Tunneling is not a valid hunting tool, bandwagoning is. Are you trying to argue that he actually IS scumhunting? Please show me where.
Easy lynch? Are you kidding me? We've been through 2 L-1 wagons. If I wanted an easy lynch I'd have had one already.

unvote

because for some reason I'm wrong?

[XScorpion]

First I wanna hear why nopoint isn't scum.

[XScorpion]

1: He is not scum because I say he isn't.

Useless.

2: He suggest bandwaggoning early in the game, or did you not read that part.

Bandwagoning alone doesn't do anything, you have to supplement it with questions/interrogations of things that occur surrounding the wagon. He isn't interested in such a thing, he just wants to joke and tunnel.

3: while doing this he even is open to a wagon on himself, a town move. It shows he isn't really concerned with a wagon forming on him because it allows for the town to gather information from the VCA.

This is the 3rd person who has been wagoned to L-1. Do you think that Pieman and Shotty are town too?
And what do you mean "open to a wagon on himself?" Supporting a wagon on yourself is by definition anti-town, presuming you are a townie. And where did nopoint say he was fine with being at L-1?
I'm the one who started this bloody wagon, because I'M the one here trying to get information from vote counts, not nopoint.

4: How is tunneling not a form of hunting? If you think you have caught scum, how much pressure are you going to put on that person? Let me answer for you: A lot. Why? Scum slips under pressure, and the best pressure: an aggressive tunnel.

Tunneling is not a form of hunting because probability says you WON'T guess correctly, which means you'll be wasting the entire day with a meaningless vote on a townie, which is the exact opposite of scumhunting.

[XScorpion]

Nice OMGUS.
Go to post 383. See that there? He's not the target of a wagon.
See my vote after? That's me starting the wagon on Raivann (it switched to Nopoint after the vote count reset, because you both are essentially the same person), because Vote count analysis seemed to indicate to me he and nopoint are scum.
Are you SURE you read this game? Because like I said, THIS IS THE THIRD PERSON AT L-1. IF SCUM WANTED AN EASY LYNCH, THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT ALREADY.

[XScorpion]

Hinduragi you better have a DAMN good reason for me not to kill this guy.

[XScorpion]

have you considered that the 4 scum have been on each wagon already?

Yes.

I believe he sees a team of nopoint-rai and holy-gand

the numbers would conter-indicate this until you notice when holy voted against the nopoint team.

the first one was in rvs. and the second one was done during a time, when I was most likely to get lynched, what with 4 on me, and 2 on Nopoint. So easily a time to throw a vote on a teammate, which could be called in as evidence later, with no real chance of him getting hammered.

you brough up bandwagoning in response to me bringing up tunneling, then you claim he isn't willing to scumhunt, even though he has made it more than clear that he is all for bandwagoning, which you yourself have said in this thread a mere ten or so posts ago is scumhunting.

Talking about bandwagoning and bandwagoning are two different things. Show me where he bandwagons and then uses the information to catch scum. I'M WAITING.

[XScorpion]

Talking about bandwagoning and bandwagoning are two different things. Show me where he bandwagons and then uses the information to catch scum. I'M WAITING.

If you refuse to do so then I don't see why I shouldn't kill you.

[XScorpion]

Cuz he's scum. Can I kill him already? Pretty please?

[XScorpion]

THANK YOU

vote: Nopoint

[XScorpion]

Your case against me please. Don't get lazy/opportunistic now.

Whoa, how'd you know what my case on you is? You must be psychic!
The lazy and opportunistic one is you. You and Raivann who have done no scumhunting all game (I already went through all your posts looking for scumhunting and found nothing), and have had no problem hopping on the biggest wagons without actually adding to the arguments behind them. I find it quite convenient that it takes you to L-1 before you actually make a case on someone that's better than Shotty 'scumslipping' (which he does in every game he's ever played) and Pieman 'saying "we" too much.'

I refused to scum hunt in YOUR way thank you. Your misreps has pinged hard on my radar recently.

Nah, that's just the OMGUS feeling you get when I call you out as scum.

I didn't say I will joke forever now did I?now

You said you would joke for day 1 which is AT LEAST HALF THE GAME

Supporting a wagon on yourself doesn't mean anti-town because it gives you info. How many the fuck time should I tell you a wagon is not a lynch?

On the subject of self voters, you should never EVER EVER vote for yourself in a game of mafia unless by some way it helps achieve your win condition. A good example of this is Mr. Flay voting himself to achieve a lynch as scum, so that he could end the days discussion and not let the town have information. As a town player, when you vote for yourself, you are voting for the only player in the town that you know to be not scum: Yourself. This means that your vote is inherently unreadable and inherently unhelpful . Some mods go so far as to ban self votes from their game, which is not ok either. You should be able to vote for whomever you want, and when town does this it is bad play, and not out of the purview of the game. We have to punish such behavior to create less places for scum to hide day one.

[XScorpion]

1) Well seeing as I believe you're scum, there's not much more for me to do.
2) Translation: "I may have considered you town before because you weren't voting me, but now that you are, you must be scummy."
3) Good luck keeping a job, friend.

[XScorpion]

I was about to come up with a retort to Hind about why I should keep my vote on nopoint and not vote Pieman, and then I saw this:

If you look at that wagon anaylis you did, its clear that these people have been on EVERY WAGON:
Nachoman
Oh well will you look at that, only Nachomann has been on all 3 wagons.
Yet that isn't suspicious at all is it?

You really want me to vote you, don't you? I think I understand why the wagon on you is so good.

Let's assume you guys are right and Pie/Bunny are scum. Who are the other two scum and why? Because Hind's next two scummiest pairs are voting pie.

[XScorpion]

You didn't answer my question, sir.

[XScorpion]

Pulled out of his ass just like everything else he's said in this game.
PLEASE PLEASE CAN I KILL HIM I REALLY WANT TO

[XScorpion]

Ok seriously Hinduragi, I know you think nopoint is just a VI and all, but no townie is THAT bad.

[XScorpion]

I bet this game would have been over already if Hind just went with me and lynched nopoint when he joined the game -_-

[XScorpion]

If I can get everyone to agree to this I will vote my own lover:

You're awful at this game.

[XScorpion]

- XScorpion unvoted really quickly just after Shotty got to L-1

Nacho unvoted Pieman really quickly too. Does that make him scum?

- XScorpion has been pushing various weak players ( or seemingly weak players ). His push on me now completely smells like a scum push. A town-Xscorpion would be more careful.

Bullshit. You've been playing like scum all game, and all of a sudden once you are threatened with a lynch your playstyle has COMPLETELY flipped on its head. A town-XScorpion has been careful...why do you think I've unvoted Pieman and Shotty? However, you are giving me scum reads all over the place.
Pushing various weak players...like Shotty? I believe that was you first, hypocrite. Go die.

For Scum, I'm starting to suspect you.

That's because hind's the one pressuring you and you are getting that feeling of OMGUS that comes when you get pressured to vote and are too scared to.

Regardless of the validity of nopoints recent case, you add to that something bunny pointed out on top of the fact that hindurs most recent posts have been nothing but "You suck at this game" style invalidation of others (nopoint) arguments

Despite Mothrax's awful play, this part is right. He's not awful at this game, he is scum. Period. Can we PLEASE lynch nopoint now?

[XScorpion]

Xscorp I'm curious, do you have anything to say that doesn't include "so and so is awful" cause I'm getting tired of wading through shit to find your points.

In this game where VIs are more common than townies? No not really.

[XScorpion]

@XScorpion:
I am awful at this game?

Can someone explain what OMGUS means?

Case in point.

THERE IS NO STRATEGY BEHIND VOTING YOURSELF. VOTING YOURSELF MEANS YOU ARE EITHER SCUM OR BAD AT THIS GAME. I WILL HEAR NO MORE TALK OF VOTING FOR YOURSELF. IF YOU DO I WILL KILL YOU.

[XScorpion]

Your strategy hinges entirely on the assumption that Hind is scum. I know he isn't.

[XScorpion]

And explain to me why it makes sense for you to lynch yourself IF YOU KNOW YOU AREN'T SCUM when we could lynch no point instead?

[XScorpion]

Bunny/Pieman/Nopoint/moth

If this is true then we can lynch Nopoint and we still win, so I see no point in lynching pie/bunny.

[XScorpion]

If you think nopoint is a good lynch and Im setting up a mislynch, put your money where your mouth is.

This.

[XScorpion]

I was talking to punny lol

preview edit: scum gambit.

[XScorpion]

or just awful play

[XScorpion]

It's hard to tell anymore.

[XScorpion]

About the same as nopoint/moth.

[XScorpion]

The difference is that I think Nopoint is scum because of his panic at being put to L-1.

[XScorpion]

I don't like planning ahead like that.
And gandalf/holy still seem suspicious to me.

[XScorpion]

I don't even know if that's a hammer or not. Is it?

[XScorpion]

But I didn't state that Nopoint was scum in that post, I think you misunderstood what I posted

Then who is?
Nacho isn't.
Hind isn't.
So who am I supposed to lynch today?

[XScorpion]

But I didn't state that Nopoint was scum in that post, I think you misunderstood what I posted

Do I see unwillingness to lynch nopoint? Maybe Hind DID pick the right scumteam.

[XScorpion]

Because I believe Hind is scum, which I will sacrifice myself so we win on D2. What can't you understand about that?

Guess what? He isn't. So from where I sit, either you are just being an idiot and are trying to make us lose the game, or you are scum and trying to make us lose the game. Either way, your strategy sucks.

[XScorpion]

But I didn't state that Nopoint was scum in that post, I think you misunderstood what I posted

Do I see unwillingness to lynch nopoint? Maybe Hind DID pick the right scumteam.

Please listen to me.
Look back at the vote counts.
Who has been on Nopoint/Raivann vote?
I have. Nopoint has been at L-1, where for some reason no one hammered him.
If I was scum, wouldn't I have jumped off his wagon before he got to L-1 to avoid him been lynched?
I barely unvoted because discussion was been made as I have posted.

THEN HAMMER HIM YOU COWARD

[XScorpion]

The only reason I can see you not wanting to hammer nopoint is if you are scum with him. Prove me wrong, I dare you.

[XScorpion]

Oh and Xscorpion, why do you hate Nopoint playstyle now?

I hated his playstyle all game. I hate it in every game. I don't think I need to mention it all the time.

Didn't you want him to change his playstyle early in the game, but the moment he starts suspecting you, you start getting OMGUS?

Yeah that's what OMGUS is...I vote him, he suspects me.

Why hammer Nopoint, when discussion is going on? I'm more then sure their are some players who have not read the thread and can still post their opinion. Now who the one who wants a lynch to happen so fast?

Why hammer nopoint? So you can prove that you aren't scum. You have failed, because you are using this argument:

If I was scum, wouldn't I have jumped off his wagon before he got to L-1 to avoid him been lynched?

If you were town, you would be suspicious of nopoint and willing to lynch him now. You are not.

Didn't Hind not want to hammer Nopoint earlier in the game?

That's because he just joined and hadn't read the game.

[XScorpion]

No one should be defending ANYONE except for their lover

(I'm looking at you, gandalf). Scum will have a strong inclination to defend their partner lover-pair, and I'm pretty much going to lynch on sight any non-lover defending.

[XScorpion]

Also you are ignoring that I was one of the first on Nopoint wagon, where he was at L-1 and where he could have been lynched, but no one did it.
I've been suspicious of him, but lately he has been making a lot of sense.

You were first on the wagon, and he could have been lynched, but it was the third time someone was at L-1 so you knew no one was going to jump and hammer.
You are defending him. As Nacho said, town should not be defending anyone but their lover.
I think we have the scum team guys.

[XScorpion]

Wasn't one of those wagon my partner? That's right it was.

What's your point

Your an idiot.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I didn't even realize their has been 3 people who have been at L-1.

So you admit to being bad at this game?

If I had to guess that would be Pieman, Raivann, and NOpoint right?

Well Shotty didn't really go to L-1, but he got votes from all the other pairs.

Guess what I was on Raivann and Nopoint, one of the first.

Pie and your partner were first. Interestingly enough, getting put to L-1 made you start posting a lot more. Shotty was the next major wagon, then Nopoint last. However by this time you've realized that people aren't going to jump for hammers, so it's ok to put an early vote on nopoint.

I wanted them gone. I did, but no one hammered them. Now they are making sense, targeting you and Hind, so of course you two want them gone.

You once again fail to realize that all of this has come AFTER my VCA and my vote on Raivann, which precedes all of this nonsense.

[XScorpion]

Not bad at the game, just forgetful. But I like how your saying I am bad at the game, but good enough to notice that no one will hammer? Which is it? Am I bad or am I good?

You have a quicktopic. Nopoint can tell you to vote for him, and you don't have to understand why, you just do it.

Pieman is my partner, so what do you mean Pie and your partner were first lol? And I'm more then sure I posted before he got to L-1, I posted the moment Nachoman vote him, but didn't give any reason. Wasn't Nacho the first one to vote him?

That doesn't make it any better. Defensive is a bad way for town to play. You should have been scumhunting, not waiting for someone to decide to attack you.

People didn't kill us because someone else made a scummier move, wasn't it when Raivann posted his vote without a reason when our wagon started to dissolve?

No, its when Shotty made a 'slip' and nopoint lead a wagon on him.

It's not that people won't hammer, its that other make moves that are scummy and therefore people switch their vote. This whole I know people won't wagon is idiotic.

Yes, people switch their votes. Which is why you can be safe with bussing. Thanks for telling me your thought process.

That last quote was more targeting Hind then you, because I know you had your vote on Nopoint since early in the game, I believe since he said everyone should wagon him, right?

Nope, I didn't vote nopoint until late game. Nice try though.

AKR, what are your thoughts?

[XScorpion]

It's irritating me that no matter what I say or do, you are not going to change your mind.

Albert says I'm doing it right!

The nopoint vote was a follow-up of my Raivann vote which was because the VCA seemed to indicate a nopoint/gandalf scumteam.

[XScorpion]

Hey Gandalf
I see you posting in that other game
Get your ass over here

This gets a Warning. I know some mods allow reference to activity in other games. I don't. A player should never need to consider the impact that one of his post in a game would make into another game.

[XScorpion]

Do you want to comment on bunny vs. hind or are you just gonna be a don johnson?

[XScorpion]

Nopoint we're gonna have to have a talk after this game about how you keep failing as town.

[XScorpion]

Sure he was. If the scumteam is shotty/Gandalf and we lynched Pie, we'd get lynched tomorrow because of his awful logic.

[XScorpion]

OK we lynch shotty tomorrow.
I'm fine with that too.

[XScorpion]

Well
who's more likely: pie/gandalf or pie/shotty? Personally I think Pie/shotty is more likely, so maybe we should just lynch shotty to play it safe.

[XScorpion]

Ok, if it's not a pie lynch or gandalf lynch then it's obviously a shotty lynch.

[XScorpion]

Well I'm not bad at this game so I'm not going to go lynch myself (which you keep wanting to do which makes me keep wanting to kill you).

[XScorpion]

Yeah but I'm gonna feel really stupid if it's Pie/Shotty.

[XScorpion]

Nopoint hasn't been playing smart lately. Actually I haven't seen a smart game from him yet. I wonder if he fabricated those tales he told me of him being good at scumhunting when we first played together...

[XScorpion]

I also wanna lynch shotty so that if I'm wrong I can rub it in nopoint's face.

[XScorpion]

Well nopoint one day you'll learn that when we tell you how to play this game, it's so that you can learn, not get frustrated and flail.

[XScorpion]

I wouldn't laugh. I'd probably hit him. Through my computer screen of course.

[XScorpion]

Hey gandalf
are you up for a shotty lynch tmrw?

[XScorpion]

That's good enough for me. Shotty dies tomorrow.

[XScorpion]

@nopoint: If you can think of a reason for town gandalf to defend shotty, be my guest.

[XScorpion]

What gambit? Who would I be scum with?

[XScorpion]

If you think I'm scum with shotty, then let's just lynch him tomorrow. It's that simple. Then I can insult you after the game if you're wrong.

Because there's no way at all to tell if shotty is scum or not and you know it as well as I do! So why not take advantage of the fact that you don't have to make that discernment?!

Well then who else should I vote for? You?

[XScorpion]

By all means! Just don't vote for the one person it's impossible to get a read on! Although I don't see how anything I've done overshadows Pie and Bunny.

goddamnit why is my town filled with people who want to get themselves killed

[XScorpion]

And let's suppose pie is scum, gandalf. Who should I assume is his partner?

[XScorpion]

Also gandalf, have you not noticed that AKR is pretty lurky? As in, he's avoiding posting because he knows if he gets caught as scummy, we'd instantly lynch shotty?

[XScorpion]

A better question is, how AREN'T you scum?

[XScorpion]

How?

[XScorpion]

Yeah but I can't confirm that role. Can you show me where you portrayed it in the game?

[XScorpion]

Yeah but Nopoint did that and more, he also got lynched. Yet he's town. So that argument doesn't really work.

[XScorpion]

At least, he better be town or I'm gonna be pretty pissed at him for wasting my time.
Not L-1, but shotty got voted by 1 person from each pair.

[XScorpion]

It wasn't L-1. It was to 5. I remember because I was the first to unvote it.

[XScorpion]

Oh wow
my bad

[XScorpion]

does this disprove the gandalf/shotty team?

[XScorpion]

awww do I have to? I really want to lynch shotty though just for nopoint's sake...
Let's ask Nacho to decide. Is that ok?

[XScorpion]

Well we'll wait for nacho then. And bv310.
I really don't like how gandalf didn't let us wait for bv310. That was very mean.

You guys are once again leading the town in your little scheme. Don't you feel any shame?

This is my problem with you. You weren't willing to scumhunt, but you're fine blaming other people when they lead lynches that go wrong. Guess what? Maybe if you started scumhunting from the start instead of "tunnel day 1 scumhunt day 2," you wouldn't be talking like this. In fact now I think I understand how you play and why you guess scum wrong all the time: you let other people do the real work on day 1, then on day 2 you sheep them if they're right and wagon them if they're wrong. Well guess what? That strategy doesn't work. Get a new one.

[XScorpion]

I'm not blaming, I'm begging the others to take a look at my perspective. The only one I'm blaming is you, who I think to be scum.

Only because we lynched you. Good thinking.

Yeah I let the others provide content so I can work with them, what's wrong with that?

Because if you were GOOD town, you would be the one coming up with the evidence rather than let others spell it out for you.

[XScorpion]

What do you guys think about nacho/bv being scum? Gofarman may've not read the pm or he couldve confirmed town intentionally.

Im not going there.

[XScorpion]

Gandalf/Holy and Shotty/AKR.

@xs It worries me that you won't go their because it is a possibility

It's pretty unlikely and debating it just opens us up to too much WIFOM for my taste.

[XScorpion]

holy shit bunny agrees with me on something
the world must be coming to an end.

You haven't pointed out anything wrong with my analysis and yet you bragging about "you suck at this game".

What's wrong with it is I'm town. So yes, you do.

1>I said I wanted my lynch. So by all means I'm fine with my lynch --> No OGMUS

If you didn't get yourself lynched, we might have ended this game on day 1. Way to fail.

2>I don't come up aka fabricate evidence Scorp, I find them.

Find it after other people do the wagoning and the lynching. In other words, you cower in the corner while we do the real work. Thanks for the help (not)

[XScorpion]

Hey shotty

Ok so Right Now I want each of us to name their #1 and #2 scum pairs

[XScorpion]

STOP DODGING MY QUESTION

[XScorpion]

thnx bro
Yeah you should take the blame. If you tried harder I wouldn't have killed you. My real work got me a pretty good shot at a win on day 2. Your work got you killed. I think I did better this game.

[XScorpion]

.....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[XScorpion]

You thought he was lynched but continued playing as though you knew there would be day 2. Interesting.

[XScorpion]

I REALLY want nacho and lover's input right about now.

[XScorpion]

True but we still need mod's confirmation that we aren't wasting our time here and that nopoint is actually town.

[XScorpion]

You've been doing the same sort of speculation. It's a two lane street, bub.

Sadly, nopoint already claimed town after being lynched. Pie has done no such thing.

[XScorpion]

You've been doing the same sort of speculation. It's a two lane street, bub.

Sadly, nopoint already claimed town after being lynched. Pie has done no such thing.

What do you mean by this?

Shotty assumed pie was lynched and kept playing as though he knew there would be day 2. However, Pie hasn't been lynched. Nopoint has.

[XScorpion]

I think I'll feel more comfortable letting Nacho decide.

[XScorpion]

Yes, let's sheep the townie, that way we don't make a decision that could get us lynched, shall we?

Who do you expect Nacho to vote for?

Seriously considering you and PieMan being scum together. You've mentioned Pie fairly little, and when you did, you usually introduced a partner that you conveniently decided to vote for first.

Actually no, he was the first person I seriously voted outside of RVS. Nice try.

[XScorpion]

Yes, and it sounds like the perfect bus.

Kinda like that time you bussed shotty but now you refuse to.
O wait that's this game.

[XScorpion]

When the fuck did I bus shotty? >.> I laid a pressure vote down on him once.

LOL @ L-2 being a pressure vote.

Vote Count!

drmyshottyizsik (6 [L-1]) : nopointinactingup, PieMan, XScorpion, holycon, gandalf5166, Nachomamma8
Raivann (2) : AKnottedrope, BunnyLover
PieMan (1) : Raivann
holycon (1) : Beanman
nopointinactingup (1) : drmyshottyizsik
Beanman (0) :
XScorpion (0) :
gandalf5166 (0) :
Bunnylover (0) :
AKnottedrope (0) :
Nachomamma8 (0) :
ZazieR (0) :

Not Voting (1) : ZazieR

[XScorpion]

...No, I did.

[XScorpion]

^^@hindu would that make XS more likely to be my scum buddy then?

HINDU IS MY LOVER YOU TWERP

[XScorpion]

that since XS unvoted first it makes gand look scummy

It's called "gandalf was caught in a lie."

[XScorpion]

No, you said you unvoted "when he got to L1" which is not true, you unvoted afterward.

[XScorpion]

Yes.

[XScorpion]

Yes.

No.

Do you object to lynching Gandalf?

[XScorpion]

Gandalf has clearly mistaken you with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Holmes

[XScorpion]

BV, who is he sum with?

[XScorpion]

Let's not rush things.
I want holycon and bv and nacho to post things and make up for the lack of content.

[XScorpion]

Hind, why isn't shotty confirmed town? The bolded are the people whose lover was on the wagon already... Zazier doesn't count since he was in the process of flaking still.

Did you ask your partner this question, Nacho?

[XScorpion]

That's exactly why I think it SHOULD be meant for you. Answer his question, bv.

[XScorpion]

What the hell...?
This page is full of insanity from Nacho. Not like him.

XScorp is town for jumping off Scorp as quick as he did.

...wut

Still waiting on Bv to answer that question..I'm not laying a vote down anywhere till I see a decent case on someone (which is probably gonna come from Hind if anyone).

[XScorpion]

Not in lylo. Lylo is serious business. People who screw around are usually good prospects for lynching.

[XScorpion]

I'm surprised no one has pointed this out yet, so I will point it out. Every pair has says Pieman and Bunnylover are scum. Every single pair of lover is stating this. Wait......every single pair....wouldn't that mean even fucking scum is saying we are scum?

Why else do you think Hind keeps calling you two confirmed town...?

[XScorpion]

Not in lylo. Lylo is serious business. People who screw around are usually good prospects for lynching.

my PM says I'm Batman

SOOOO tempted to just vote and hope for the best.

[XScorpion]

I don't believe you either. Should I lynch you?

[XScorpion]

Hind please hurry up with Gandalf case because at this point I don't expect anyone else to come up with anything.

[XScorpion]

Answer my question lest I vote you.

[XScorpion]

Then how bout you help Hind and I out and make a case on whoever is the scumteam?
Hind promised a case on Gandalf already so I'm just waiting at this point.