Open 271 - No Lynchin' the VTs

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

/Da Mafia Godfather confirms.

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Da Mafia Godfather also dislikes the way that Cheese does something absolutely crazy and then mentions (as a side note) that they're new as way of explanation. It feels like a trick.

Vote: Cheese

Da Mafia Godfather also does not like the way that CA declared the RVS over as such Da Mafia Godfather will

FOS: CA

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Da Mafia Godfather also dislikes the way that Cheese

does something absolutely crazy

and then mentions (as a side note) that they're new as way of explanation. It feels like a trick.

Vote: Cheese

Da Mafia Godfather also does not like the way that CA declared the RVS over as such Da Mafia Godfather will

FOS: CA

I'm not entirely sure what you meant by the bolded.

Could you please explain?

His explosion against you random voting was absolutely crazy (IMHO)

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Broken, I am of the opinion that Cheese was trying to cause us to underestimate him and have us dismiss what he says and any scumslips he makes as just being a result of being a newbie (I'm not too fussed about motivation though and its just good enough for me that there is a clear scum motivation).

The newbie introduction also doesn't seem to me particularly scummy given that it hasn't been used to account for any scummy-seeming behavior.

What you mind explaining your thought patterns for me.

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1)

*sigh*

This blame game is hard. Also, I'm not scum. You can go ahead and lynch me if you want, townies, but that's exactly what the mafia want.

Because I'm a townie.

2)

Again, I'm rather new to this game.

3)

Do you really think that someone who says RLing day 1 is bad would be scum? Do you?

4)

I'm not that cunning. I'm not masterful. I'm not that great.

I'm not that great. Sorry. I don't know what you were expecting, but I'm not a mastermind. *shrugs*

Happy with my vote.

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Vote: Nobody

because I can't do

Are you seriously voting no lynch in a game where townies can't be lynched?

Yeah its crazy. Almost as if he was scum shamelessly trying to get us to underestimate him.

@Shotty. You physically wound me with that unvote (and please vote again).

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FoS: What

for being scarily uncommitted.

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What is a newbie. Cheese is scum.

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Sorry for the absence.

what, do you really find yabba the most suspicious at this stage? If so, why more so than shotty or cheese? If not, why are you voting him?

Still think shotty has played an extremely scummy game so far.

I'm also having major alarm bells being set off by DMG. It would be nice if you could engage with some of the players in the game besides cheese. Your recent problems with whatami have been abandoned I see. Now tunneling is not, I think, inherently a scum property, but you haven't just got one scum read that you're sticking to, you're utterly ignoring everything in the game except cheese.

FoS:DMG

. shotty is so anti-town and scummy that it hurts, so the vote sticks there.

Yes, its not like I've just expressed a town read on What, did I? Sotty's wagon is probably a wagon on town too

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What is a newbie. Cheese is scum.

Oh good lord. It's probably the other way around.

Yes, its not like I've just expressed a town read on What, did I? Sotty's wagon is probably a wagon on town too

No, but what does that have to do with anything?

Broken argued that I was ignoring everyone but you. That was clearly false.

Oh yeah, Cheese totally broke character in him last post (proving that it was an act).

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Using common sense does not a break of chraracter make.

It does when the character he's been playing is one of complete stupidity with no common sense.

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Am I the only one who has just noticed that What is at three votes?
Sotty, since I've called you town what do you think of joining me on Cheese?

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Broken argued that I was ignoring everyone but you. That was clearly false.

Oh yeah, Cheese totally broke character in his last post (proving that it was an act).

...character? I'm not playing along with anything. I don't get it. Seriously, just bold or highlight what contradictions I've made. OH WAIT, I HAVEN'T.

Seriously, just bold or highlight what accusations of contradiction I've made. OH WAIT, I HAVEN'T.

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HoS: Broken

for the rapid unvote.

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WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?

Mostly EXTREME AMOUNTS OF STRESS. Most of the time, I use allcaps for YELLING instead of emphasis. For instance,

Broken argued that I was ignoring everyone but you. That was clearly false.

Oh yeah, Cheese totally broke character in his last post (proving that it was an act)

.

...character? I'm not playing along with anything. I don't get it. Seriously, just bold or highlight what contradictions I've made. OH WAIT, I HAVEN'T.

Seriously, just bold or highlight what accusations of contradiction I've made. OH WAIT, I HAVEN'T.

RIGHT FUCKING THERE

Breaking character =/= contradicting yourself.

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Mod: Cheese's vote is sequestered from the other votes on What

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Vote; Cheese

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Back to your old favorite I see... mind providing some proper reasons this day?

Hello Mr. Not Voting, I notice that subtle chainsaw you're holding.

Cheese is clearly trying to trick us into underestimating him. Therefore he's probably scum.

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Exagerated newbie mistakes and perfectly reasoned logic is clearly a contradiction in a player. A player can't be both a derpy derp newbie and a perfectly rational player at the same time.

Also, BS what made me go from not worth a vote at #127 to worth on one at #129?

Also just to make it clear why you think I'm scummy.

1. I am voting a player you think is town.
2. I'm only trying to get one player lynched at a time.
3. We "disagree" whether trying to trick the town into ignoring you is a scum tell.

Is that right?

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Also, BS what made me go from not worth a vote at #127 to worth on one at #129?

I didn't vote in my first post, yes, but I'm failing to see why you're making a big deal of this.

Want to answer the question or just want to dodge it?

Exagerated newbie mistakes and perfectly reasoned logic is clearly a contradiction in a player. A player can't be both a derpy derp newbie and a perfectly rational player at the same time.

Players vary in knowledge on different topics, and there is no such thing as a perfectly rational player. That someone could post things that work and things that don't about different topics at different times is in no way a contradiction. Could you clearly and precisely point out the contradiction?

The rational post compared to the other huge derpy derp posts.

Also just to make it clear why you think I'm scummy.

If you were voting a player I thought was town I would have my awareness raised, but different people see things differently. It raises suspicions but isn't a case.

Why didn't the four What voters raise your suspicions?

Trying to get a specific player lynched is not a problem, it is what you should do if you have a top scum pick.

Well that's a good thing.

I don't see Cheese as trying to trick anybody, stop trying to manipulate words.

How did I try to twist your words? I'd like quotes here.

What you have done is tunnel a player to the exclusion of almost all else since the start of day 1.

you mean other than with Shotty and What. I also thought it was pretty obvious what my feeling toward you were also pretty obvious.

You have given scant detail on anything else, and the more you fail to provide the more it seems you're trying to avoid posting anything that would allow us to scrutinize you.

Y'know other than everything I've posted. I you honestly saying that if we lynch Cheese then you won't realize I'm clearly town.

It is classic lazy scum behavior.

Oooh, unbacked up of "classic".

Your reasoning is poor, and I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this. Your case basically relies on repeating "Cheese is scum" and "Cheese is trying to trick us" in various combination until we finally accept it. You are little more than a slightly more sophisticated shotty. You accuse another of manipulation when your whole case relies on manipulation.

Really. My whole

case

. How so?

And speaking of manipulative:

Sotty, since I've called you town what do you think of joining me on Cheese?

has there been another post this game that is so explicit in its attempts to replace proper cases with politics?

I fail to see the manipulation. Shotty thought obv-town What and obv-scum Cheese were both equally scummy. Surely you can admit that town would have been (possibly) better off if we lynched Cheese rather than the player we can all agree is town (What).

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BS: Sure my case is based on the other players having two brain cells to rub together rather than just being a simple "he was the third vote on a wagon" or something like that but it isn't any worse for that.

Also, where did I "offer a town-read". Give a quote for that exact accusation. Also, as I've already said I didn't need to convince Shotty with a good case because he already agreed with the suspicion on Cheese.

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Cheese, I too am a fan of capital fans. LESS IS MORE though, and your last post definitely seems to be using them to appeal to emotion. I started off pretty confidant you were town, but WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? If this wasn't an open set-up and there weren't only 7 players I'd certainly think there were more than 2 scum with the way everybody has been playing.

brokenscraps, you forgot this post where you made a half hearted attempt to stop buddying with Cheese. You may want to ontinue with lest somebody calls you out for being

obv scum with Cheese

inconsistent.

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Also, where did I "offer a town-read". Give a quote for that exact accusation.

since I've called you town

If that doesn't mean "do what I say because I've called you town" what were you trying to say exactly?

Also, where did I "offer a town-read". Give a quote for that exact accusation.

brokenscraps, you forgot this post where you made a half hearted attempt to stop buddying with Cheese. You may want to ontinue with lest somebody calls you out for being obv scum with Cheese inconsistent.

My case on you is not based on Cheese being town so I'm not sure why you keep coming back to this. My case is based on your case being so weak and you pushing it so strongly, that I had (including at the time of that post) and still have a town-read on Cheese just makes it worse. Cheese to me has varied between newbie town to ambiguous newbie, trending towards newbie town. In no way do I see experienced trickster scum posing as newbie.

Not everything I post is defending myself from your chainsaw.

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I don't know what the shit you were expecting, but it's obviously a lot better than who I am.

Well, fuck. I've been found out. I'm such a clever bastard, yet I can't get out of this one.

You think I'm that great? Why don't you fucking prove it, you smug asshole.

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1)

*sigh*

This blame game is hard. Also, I'm not scum. You can go ahead and lynch me if you want, townies, but that's exactly what the mafia want.

Because I'm a townie.

2)

Again, I'm rather new to this game.

3)

Do you really think that someone who says RLing day 1 is bad would be scum? Do you?

4)

I'm not that cunning. I'm not masterful. I'm not that great.

I'm not that great. Sorry. I don't know what you were expecting, but I'm not a mastermind. *shrugs*

Happy with my vote.

Every single long post Cheese has been a bunch of AtE. Also, this post is evidince of "but can I actually see an in-depth analysis of one of my longer posts by you? I don't think that's ever happened. Ever." being a complete lie.

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Another question. Why was what "obviously town"? He was kinda an opportunist.

He was "obviously town" because newbies should be read as newbies. He was clearly newbie-town just as you are clearly experienced-scum.

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[quotewall goes here]

Every single long post Cheese has been a bunch of AtE. Also, this post is evidince of "but can I actually see an in-depth analysis of one of my longer posts by you? I don't think that's ever happened. Ever." being a complete lie.

One: Not all of it has been "a bunch of AtE". It's

just defense.

No its a "bunch of AtE".

Two: You know what I see? Certainly not the in-depth analysis I asked for. All I see is a break-up of one of my longer posts marked by numbers and "happy with my vote". That's it. So "'I haven't seen you give anyone an in-depth analysis of my longer posts' being a complete lie" is a lie. For those of you who just lost interest halfway into that sentence (and by no means do I blame you), I'm saying that he never really

did

give a reason.

I gave four reasons just in that post I gave you. I don't think the points need explaining.

[whatami] was "obviously town" because newbies should be read as newbies. He was clearly newbie-town just as you are clearly experienced-scum.

H...what? This is my first game here. If I'm right, this should also be whatami's first game here. So, let me get this straight. According to you:
1) whatami is a newbie-town.

Do you disagree?

2) I'm an experienced scum, so I should be lynched,
even though this game is

both of our firsts

?

Its

your

first on

this site

I didn't say I was a goon. I was always picked for town, strange enough.

Oh that's a load of bull.

And that's beside the point, too. When I say I'm not that great, I'm being arrogant.

AtE

Okay, you know what? Fine. I'm scum. Lynch me. Paint a giant target on my forehead and use a giant nuclear warhead on me.

AtE

Just...just stop with the insistent idiocy. I've had it with your bullshit and I'm not standing for it anymore. Sorry to everyone else who wants to play, but SOMEBODY DOESN'T KNOW WHEN TO FUCKING STOP.

Ad Hom.

Good fuck, man. You better be fucking scum, or I will go track you down and I will personally vig you.

This is clearly false feelings.

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Also, CA or Shotty unless you're pretty convinced of my being scum would you mind unvoting so the "newbie" doesn't quick hammer considerring he'd be able to get rid of the player who is suspicious of him while noty getting looked at for it 9because he's a "newbie").

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I fail to see how I've insulted you. It seems to me that I'm the only one to credit you with any intelligence.

I don't know what you want me to reply to the first one but I guess I'll say... Ad Hom and AtE?

I'd like you to explain your constant friendliness with shotty.

What friendlines? He's clearly town and I'm treating him as such.

The only thing he's ever posted was "CHEESE IS SCUM VOTE HIM".

Almost as if he isn't concerned with self-survival but just lynching scum.

Why do you constantly railroad me based off of what you call a "derpy durr" comment?

I don't. You have absolutely committed the highest number of scum tells in this game (even if we pretended you weren't experienced).

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What happens when I point out somebody is using an awful, awful lot of AtE.

1. Nothing - Neither pro-town or Anti-Town.
2. Cheese stops making every other sentance an appeal to emotion - Pro Town
3. People realize that Cheese is Scummy Mc Scum - Pro Town

I don't see a scum motivation for calling out AtE.

Yabba, was it me or Cheese who demanded a response to essentially every paragraph they made (or at least the ones I didn't respond to)? (Hint: Its Cheese)

(also appealing to your own authority. My taking your own POV and dressing it up in fancy clothes like "BBQ Fallacy" is really, really weak.)

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Also, yabba, who is the one who posts stuff like "...so, it's not "a bunch of AtE", it's a "bunch of AtE"? Your quotation marks tell me so. [/stupidjokes]" which only serves the purpose of being "pointless squawking" and contribute to "quotewalls"?

Secondly, do you agree that Cheese is using AtE and Ad Hom. Or in other words do you agree that Cheese is clearly " is deliberately trying to ignite" my emotions.

Thirdly, do you agree that "AtE" is not an argument that can really be rebutted in that simplicity and could if being used against a member of the town be an easy way to stop "quote wars".

Fourthly, do you agree that for the most part my posts responding to Cheese are not asking from a response from Cheese. Or at least not of the size that Cheese responds with?

Fifthly, do you agree that your being tricked by Cheese makes your reads on myself and Shotty extremely suspect when it comes to accuracy OR to put it less accurately, if Cheese flipped scum and myself and Shotty still lived would your read on us have changed?

Sixthly, if you are of the view that obly one of me are Shotty are scum that scum would equally as likely attack Cheese Day 1 as scum.

Seventlhly, if you said yes to the first point, do you agree that your reads on players haven't been great thus far (see: What for further information). And as such you should wait for flips rather than presuming your substandard reads are accurate?

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Yabba:

Can you respond to the both of these? Or are you trying to defend yourself and your slightly baseless argument that I'm scum based on AtE? I left two paragraphs here, ripe for you, but you just leave it there.

5 - Yes
6 - Both me and Shotty find Cheese suspicious. If you only think one of us is likely town despite not interacting with one another or you having a different suspect (or anything like that). Therefore finding Cheese suspect isn't a scum tell, surely?
7. That's a serious question. Your case is based on Cheese being town. It shouldn't be.

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Also, Yabba, was it me or Cheese who attacked the other for talking to another player rather than engaging in a pointless quote war? (or to put it another who was ordering the other "don't bring other people into this".

Also, Yabba, who tries to ignite a quote war with another player when their former attempt fizzled out by doing a point by point response of a post not even directed at them?

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blah quote blah fight wall blah quote

Please don't.

This post is pretty obviously shameless buddying up to yabba (who is actually against quote wars) and trying to look town while not actually (what's the term?) helping the town.

This is pretty obvious considering the last time I wrote something resembling a quote fight wall (I say resembling because I haven't gotten in a quote fight all game. For the most part, I've been quoting Cheese for yabba and Shotty's benefit rather than to talk to Cheese. But I digress.) was on the previous page or (if you were to ISO me) around six of my posts ago.

Shotty: What do you think of BS having a different response for me versus his response to Cheese?

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Well DMG you guys are different people and I am very inclined to agree with him. Cheese is still semi scummy IMO, but not nearly as much as you

That is completely irrelevant from my point.

Yabba: This game is open. If me and Shotty are not a scum pair. One of us is town. You're saying that one of us is town.

Because he hasn't done anything scummy. Your whole shenanigans with "he's acting and broke character" and "AtE + AtE + Ad Hom = scum" just doesn't stack up to a scum case in my mind. It's not a matter of starting with an assumption like you claim.

What is that "because" refering to. Refering to why you built your case on the

assumption

that Cheese was town?

Yabba:

Cheese isn't scum. You still are. In fact, the more you just lash out randomly at players hoping one of these random darts you're throwing at the wall sticks, the higher the scum level goes. It's been an FoS on CA, then an HoS on broken, now it's Cheese, earlier it was an FoS on whatami, now a floating accusation of brokenscraps... BLECH.

The guy who votes for confirmed townie What is calling me scum for daring to

FOS

players who weren't Cheese? Seriously.

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Nope, based on

fact

that he's Town. This argument's hit a brickwall.

Do you honestly think that its impossible (and I don't mean that hyperbolically) for Cheese to be scum?

And you have too many FoS', that's the scummy point, not whatever garbage you brought up. You've alternated between suspecting so many players in such a short span of time.

See I beg of you. Pretend your a replacement rereading this game for the first time. I've FOS's three people all game. Cheese masnaged to do that in just his second post. Yet I'm the rabid FOSer. It makes absolutely no sense.

It could easily go the other way if you two are battling like that given nothing else, but the fact is, I'm simply seeing more scumminess from you.

So if you were in my boots (and knew I was town) you'd agree that Cheese was almost surely scum?

BS:

This topic is quickly become a displeasure to read. You and cheese were the ones with the biggest posts, which is why I targeted both of you, even though it was cheese who had made the recent one that really irritated me. Yes cheese is a lot more guilty of this than you, and I too am guilty of making posts that lean towards the wallish side. But I'd like it to stop before it gets worse, hence "Please don't". That is for everybody.

Then why wait for yabba to make a big deal of it before nipping it at the bud?

Don't see what you mean by "yabba (who is actually against quote wars)". Is there anybody in favor of them? This reads a lot more of you trying to make tenuous links between players, more poor case making I see?

Scum is pro-scum wars (and if I was being honest, I find them fun to write.)

[Da_Mafia_Godfather]

You're wrong about Shotty but OK, let's try and pressure a scum bag.

Unvote

Vote: BS

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Shameless wagon hopping, do you mind saying which parts of his post you agree with or if you have anything new to bring to the table?

Other than the bare basics of you being scum I don't remember agreeing with him about anything.

Any reason for switching votes besides the fact that nobody was buying you scummy and horrible case on cheese?

You're both equally scum so I decided to hop on the scum player with another vote.

And mind telling us why you're so confidant shotty is town?

His posts aren't written with a scum motivation (just like What's and unlike Cheese's)

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1 - ...but that's WHY he's nailing you. From his perspective, you're voting him based on nothing but another person's vote. It raises eyebrows.

I've made my suspicion of BS perfectly clear all day.

2 - Uh, what? Nobody switches cases like that.

Yes they do. Town want to lynch scum. You and BS wouldn't switch cases like that due to your focus on looking good rather than lynching scum. I'm happy with either of you two dying.

And "pressuring a scumbag"? What was that all about? What told you that he's a scumbag?

Yabba, Shotty and CA. I would like you to pay especial attention to the wording of that question. Its not a "why" (why do you think he's scummy) its a "how" (How did you find us out.)

3 - Okay, how would you even know that what and shotty are BOTH town-motivated in the first place?

Well What flipped town and I've altready told you why I consider Shotty's play coming from town.

yabba: Notice how he makes an insincere apology for the quote wars but then just repeats himself in order to create one.

And how would you know that mine are written with a scum motivation?

You have not scumhunted all day. Pick whatever definition of scumhunted you want. You haven't done it. (Nor attempted it.) All you've done is make big posts that only amount to sitting on the fence.

I realized that cheese was only scummy because I wanted him to be and I was looking for things to make him scum

That's not how it works.

Yabba: What do you think of this untruth that Cheese is trying to peddle? (presumbly to try and get CA to return to Shotty.)

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DMG - Do you know about confirmation bias?

Yes, its what yabba is suffering from.

But everyone's already pointed that out. From here on out, I'll be ignoring the quote wall arguments. Someone tell me if something worthwhile is said - because all it's been so far is bad arguments from DMG and frustration from Cheese.

No! FFS, that's what Cheese wants you to think.

Cheese: DMG, reply to me!
DMG: Reply
Cheese: Oh poor frustrated me. Give me your pity.

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Actually, CA maybe you're right. Are you (CA) able to produce a quote where Cheese makes a proper scumhunting stand?

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CA:

I haven't scumhunted because you keep getting in the way with your massive quotewalls.

Is that something town would write when they were writing a massive quote war at the time?

Yabba:

If you two are a scumpair (which I really in all honesty don't see happening), you're pretty much blowing his cover. Thank god he's perfectly rational.

Is that something town hunting for scum would write or is it closer in content to what scum would throw out their trying to see if it sticks?

Shotty:

Spoiler: a clue

Cheese: DMG, reply plz.
DMG: Bad unrelated argument.
Cheese: Goddamn it, answer the question.

To give a hypothetical. If you kept on hitting your thumb with a hammer would you continue to swing that hammer? What if you were looking for pity (due to being scum), in that case would you continue swinging that hammer?

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er..no. Would you mind expanding?

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Your little spoiler was very.... well just weird

Ignotre the spoiler. The spoiler was just to prevent you thinking the question came from nowhere.

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In regards to 183, by DMG:

Is that something scum would write? Scum and town are both equally capable of producing quote walls. Town and scum are both capable of hypocritical statements as well. Just because you see hypocrisy doesn't mean it is indicative of a scum alignment.

And in regards to 181:

I'm not digging through all that. I also see no relation of your question to my post. Unless I'm overlooking a buried shining piece of logic, I've seen nothing from you that's not under one of the following two categories:

1. The fact that he could possibly have a master plan to disguise himself as a newbie (and your evidence for this is that he displayed common sense, which is not directly related to experience level).

2. Any statement made that you have tried to force underneath that premise.

OK how about his attempts get pity, his common sense in one post contradicting his utter lack of it ("Vote: Nobody", if you were curious) in another, his refusal to take stands, his purposeful hurting of the town (his quotewars), his utter lack of any scumhunting of any sort.

No seriously, CA find a single Cheese post where the motive is to lynch or find scum rather than to protect himself.

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point something out. These quotewars (which, to address that point, you are guilty of as well) obviously take some time to type up the posts. When you get to the thead and see that you have questions to answer, you answer tend to answer those questions first. When those questions number approximately 357182438201483, it takes a decent amount of time to answer said questions.

"AtE" is not a question. "Ad Hom" is not a question. Every question I've directed to you, Shotty or yabba does not need a reaction from Cheese. I honestly think that if you look at my post I've asked Cheese perhaps a handful of questions.

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I still think DMG's opportunism outweighs the Cheese problem. Voting brokenscraps only after Confid hopped on board, there's a lot of scum gain in just shoving the wagon along. He's going to contest it was simple Town wagonning trying to acheive a lynch, but I think it was more like scum seeing an escape path. Note how he's pressed already, if he is scum, that's an escape path he's carving out.

Why does scum-DMG have to wait for CA to change his vote? Why didn't he vote Shotty?

Realizing it's consistent with the brokenscraps suspicions from earlier, I still think it's (old word resurfacing here) scumvenient more than anything.

Why does scum-Empking have to wait for CA to change his vote? Why didn't he vote Shotty?

It's a matter of "what caused him to suddenly snap and want to end the Day" being the magic question.

Or you could ask the more accurate question then has relevance to the thread: "What caused him to snap and suddenly want to put worthwhile pressure on scum" and the answer to that is: That's an awful question, he's been doing that all game its just not it was more effective by joining forces with CA.

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Town Motivation: Increased chance of lynching scum.
Scum Motivation: I'm at a lost. Would you mind filling it in? Especially considering (unless you think I'm shamelessly leaping in bed with my scum buddy) you think we're scum together.

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Why does scum-DMG have to wait for CA to change his vote? Why didn't he vote Shotty?

1. Not able to come up with a convincing case so forced to jump onto other people's wagons.

This is utter nonsense and scum saying whatever looks goods (admittedly a wise move considering the laziness found in this town).

yabba, CA: Since I know you won't be bothered to read or remember, Shotty (before CA changed his vote) had the same amount as BS after CA did.

2. Not prepared to bus your partner.

I'll get back to this but I'd like BS to comment on the first half of this post beforehand.