Open 307-Friends and Enemies Deadly Alliance-Town Wins!!

cjdrum · Post Post #157 (isolation #0) » Sat May 21, 2011 12:12 pm

Okay, I'm here. I've read through the thread, making notes as I went.
Here's what I got, spoilered for possible long:

Spoiler:

Key:
{++, --, ==} - Whether the post is Towny, Scummy or a bit of both and needed mention.
#___ - Post number, obv.

Based on all of this, I have to vote for Spadille. Generally being difficult towards DK, including the line "Lynch this guy please" and a whole bunch of misreps. Again, either Confirmation Biased or scum.

vote: Spadille

cjdrum · Post Post #173 (isolation #1) » Sat May 21, 2011 8:20 pm

@Low Key:

I have no idea what happened to my Snarky reads, but I'll go through his ISO and see what I can see. Here:
ISO #3: Was pointed out as scummy by... Low Key... But I think it can be passed as a normal RVS vote. Otherwise it

would

have been scummy...

Null leaning slightly scummy, but only a bit

.
ISO #6: Denies that his vote on DK for self-voting was random.

Slightly scummy.

ISO #8: Digging himself into a hole here, possibly his own grave. "If you don't trust yourself, why should I?" does not line up with "I failed to see DK's selfvote before".

VERY scummy, very bad even if not scum.

ISO #10: Pings me as off. Snarky had only 3 posts before his DK vote.

However, it may be that Snarky was responding to random questions before reading the thread.

No, bold is obvious.

Slight scum lean, needs explanation.

ISO #14: I don't like the first part.
He outlines DK's case against Spadille in points that could easily applied to DK's case on Snarky himself, including calling it OMGUS.
This post strikes me as off in three ways:

Slight possibility of subliminal Town-read-making on himself, so people agree with his points and subliminally find him Town-y.
Slightly OMGUSish, but only a bit.
Very Chainsaw-looking Defense of Spadille.

Slightly scummy leaning very.

So it's a good thing I missed making any notes on Snarky on my original read-through, because his posts aren't very scummy on their own - however, they don't exactly seem to line up.

Now, after all that, I'd have to say that my top

two

scum suspects are Spadille and Snarky - I think they are either both Masons or both scum, but seem too scummy to be Masons. In fact, I'd say that Snarky is scummier now, so:

unvote: Spadille

vote: Snarky

And IGMEOY both.

Third scum suspect would have to be DonJosh, but this is nowhere near as strong. It's mostly for the excuses for not posting, but I have seen many a Town player do this and so have to be wary.

cjdrum · Post Post #175 (isolation #2) » Sat May 21, 2011 9:25 pm

Toro wrote:
cjdrum wrote:
unvote: Spadille
vote: Snarky

And IGMEOY both.

Wouldn't the vote be considered an IMGEOY? Just saying.

Well... No.

More that I've got my eye on their interactions as well as just their individual scumminess.

cjdrum · Post Post #182 (isolation #3) » Sun May 22, 2011 12:51 am

Hmm... I was thinking. And this may seem outrageous, but...

If we lynch DeityKabuto today, the flip will show whether Spadille, Snarky and Archaist actually are scum.
I'm finding Spadille and Snarky scummy regardless anyway, and others for Archaist...

If we

do

lynch DK and he flips Town, Spadille and Snarky will practically be confirmed scum for me.
If DK was to be lynched and he flipped Scum, then I would find Archaist slightly scummy, Snarky extremely scummy, and no idea on Spadille.

As for the day-vig the L-1 issue... I don't know. I think that it'd
a) Be a 75% chance of wasting a Town-oriented Vig kill,
b) Extend the day further than it would have to, possibly causing more inactivity and prodding, and/or
c) Possibly be manipulated by scum in that they could kill whomever they wanted, anonymously (25% chance).

Overall, I think the day Vig should be used at the discretion of the holder. Maybe if the one-shot were to claim on D3, when we can decide for them who to kill, as a second vote? Then it's no longer anonymous, and likely lessens the chance of hitting Town from the kill.

Ninja'd... Twice. I don't know what to make of those posts at all.

cjdrum · Post Post #184 (isolation #4) » Sun May 22, 2011 1:26 am

There's a 25% chance that scum have the daykill, and they probably won't comply with what we want them to do.

cjdrum · Post Post #234 (isolation #5) » Sun May 22, 2011 11:51 am

Snarky wrote:cjdrum: I'm not a fan of his posts. His first wall had nothing really new in it, and his first vote on Spadille didn't really seemed convinced. I have a odd feeling about his "based on all this, I
have to
vote Spadille". His case on me is weird too, nothing really new, vague stuff or stuff I had already explained earlier, like if he feels obliged to make a case on me to get his vote off of Spadille. And his "I lost my notes on Snarky" is odd at best, for, if I was really the scummiest player on his mind, he would have remembered it and not have voted for Spadille before. Leans scum

I read through the thread, making small notes as I went. I couldn't find anything extremely towny or scummy from you on that read-through, so didn't make any notes on you.
Then I looked at your ISO, and it was like all the puzzle pieces slotted into place. You seemed to just lie and lie - your explanations of your actions seemed untruthful, too!

And the "have to" - phrasing. We've gotta vote for who we think is scum, and I thought Spadille was scum. Then I looked closer at you, and thought you were scum, so voted on you.
I don't see what you're trying to say with your "

have to

" comment.

cjdrum · Post Post #236 (isolation #6) » Sun May 22, 2011 12:00 pm

I don't understand what you're trying to get at there.

Can you rephrase it so it's easier to understand (grammar good lots very), and tell me

why

you're asking, please?

So... What and Why.

cjdrum · Post Post #238 (isolation #7) » Sun May 22, 2011 12:18 pm

Well, I'm just listing all the possibilities of the situation. If scum have the daykill, then they can kill a Townie when they want, but they're not likely to follow through with that plan.

If I haven't been clear enough yet:

I don't like the "Vig the L-1 Player" plan.

It lengthens out the day, and there are too many opportunities for scum to destroy it.
I would prefer that, tomorrow, we have two vote counts - official and for the daykill. Then when one person is at official L-1, the daykiller can kill the person with the most unofficial votes before somebody hammers.

cjdrum · Post Post #253 (isolation #8) » Sun May 22, 2011 7:04 pm

[Low Key] wrote:
cjdrum wrote:If scum have the daykill, then they can kill a Townie when they want, but they're not likely to follow through with that plan.

Yes, you have already said this. Now please answer my question above.

There are too many opportunities for scum to destroy it.

Please also explain this.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT FROM YOUR QUESTIONS. GIVE ME A BETTER QUESTION OR ETTER PHRASING OR A REASON WHY YOU WON'T JUST TAKE MY ANSWERS.

Also. If scum have the kill, they may not do as we say.
If scum don't have the kill, they could do something similar to a quickhammer, but with voting 'til L-1, leading the Town to kill a Townie or Mason.
Or others.

And in response to Toro's question in the next post: Because they're scum.

cjdrum · Post Post #254 (isolation #9) » Sun May 22, 2011 7:14 pm

Also, DK wanted this, so...

Who I am 100% Sure Is Scum: Snarky, Spadille
Who I suspect to be Scum: Archaist, Toro, DonJosh('s replacement), popsofctown
Who I suspect to be Town: DeityKabuto, zMuffinMan, [Low Key], Parabollocks, SnakePlissken
Who I am 100% Sure Is Town: cjdrum

If there is more than one name in a category, the players towards the left have a stronger feel that way than further to the right.

cjdrum · Post Post #262 (isolation #10) » Mon May 23, 2011 12:34 am

[Low Key] wrote:
cjdrum wrote:
If scum don't have the kill, they could do something similar to a quickhammer, but with voting 'til L-1, leading the Town to kill a Townie or Mason.
Or others.

Ok I am having trouble understanding this post but what I can get from it is that you think scum could quick hammer someone while we're waiting for the vig on our top wagon.

Once our top wagon is at L-1 a notice should be posted that if anyone quickhammers they are auto-lynched tomorrow. There is no harm done as
we get scum the next day
and got our top wagon lynched anyway.

No. Scum could be a lot less obvious with getting someone vigged with your plan in place. I'm not saying that they would hammer - that would be stupid. I'm saying that it's simpler for them to hide in the bandwagon while still getting a person lynched/vigged.

[Low Key] wrote:
[Low Key] wrote:
[Low Key] wrote:
[Low Key] wrote:
cjdrum wrote: Possibly be manipulated by scum in that they could kill whomever they wanted, anonymously (25% chance).

Please explain this.

cjdrum wrote:There's a 25% chance
that scum have the daykill
, and they probably won't comply with what we want them to do.

[Low Key] wrote:And the fact that we
then
know that*
,
hurts us... how?
*see bolded

You are hard-core dodging this question.

You have stated several times that "if the scum have the vig they won't follow our plan". Ok I have asked you several times now, but here is a rephrase:

Since we will then discover that the scum actually have the day-vig (which we didn't know before) how exactly is that harmful or bad for the town?

Please answer this.

Once we discover that the scum had the Vig-kill, the harm has already been done - they've killed how they wanted, leading to WIFOM and paranoia in the Town.

Do you really have this much of a problem with my answers? If you had just said it clear one of the first three times I asked, rather than enlarging commas and underlining words (both of which I had seen), I might've answered it better earlier on.

I thought at first that you were just getting some opinions from a replacement, but now this is ridiculous.

It seems you only read bold, so I'll go two steps further with some [u_.] and [size] tags.

I disagree with your plan, as there is too much room for error for my liking.

Why do you have to ask (with so much force)

random little questions

a random question about why the scum having the kill is harmful for town after they've used it?

cjdrum · Post Post #267 (isolation #11) » Mon May 23, 2011 2:27 am

Snarky wrote:Saying that is quite easy for you. How aren't they
scummy
blue?What's your definition of the word
scummy
blue? What are DK's
towntells
red-tells? What can you say to disproove my case? Please, if you really think he is
town
not blue, convince me other than just shouting he isn't
scummy
blue he isn't
scummy
blue.

Same principle.

DK isn't blue because he isn't blue.
Blue is blue, everybody understands that.
There isn't anything to explicitly suggest he's red, but nothing strong and truthful to say he's blue. At the moment, he seems more red than blue.
DK isn't blue because he isn't blue - case disproven.
HE ISN'T BLUE BECAUSE HE ISN'T, DAMMIT.

DK hasn't done anything overly

scummy

, and so is not one of my

scum

suspects. We aren't looking for

Towniest

players here,

scum

are.

If you took a measure of people's

scumminess

and ranked them, then a measure of people's

Towniness

and ranked

them

, they wouldn't be in the same (reversed) order

because they are a different thing

.

Hence, when there are people who look scummy (Snarky, Spadille, Archaist, DonJosh), I will vote for them before voting for somebody because they don't have many explicit town tells (the majority of the remaining players).

cjdrum · Post Post #270 (isolation #12) » Mon May 23, 2011 3:24 am

"Once we discover that the scum has the vig by them using it, how does that harm the Town?"
"Town's already been harmed."
"What makes you think the scum would have already used the vig??"
Well... The original question criteria?

And I don't know exactly how scum behaviour would differ, because I don't know how scum behavior is normally

I do know that it'd be different, though, and good for them in whatever way they can figure out...

I don't like the Vig the nearly-hammered plan at the moment. I'm sure a similar thing could be done tomorrow, from the start of D2 (as I outlined earlier), but just not now. I get that the Vig may be NKd, but it's a pretty low chance of that happening (1/8, unless the Mafia see something I don't).

cjdrum · Post Post #272 (isolation #13) » Mon May 23, 2011 3:55 am

I assumed that was the criteria because

that was what I was talking about when you started questioning me about this

.

And why it would be different even if I couldn't possibly define how - it's like asking somebody (who doesn't fully know) what the difference between jealousy and envy is. They know it's different, because it has to be, but it's subtle and they don't fully know what it means to substitute the new word.

And... Yes, I've been on the site for

three whole months

. So long. Totally long enough for me to start caring enough to start going through games and looking at scum tactics and scum voting patterns and scum this and scum that.
Short answer: I haven't looked into scum play. Knowledge doesn't magically appear from time; you have to work at it. And I haven't worked at it yet.

cjdrum · Post Post #274 (isolation #14) » Mon May 23, 2011 4:16 am

How would a random Town member being killed on D1 on top of the (very likely mis)lynch be detrimental to the Town? Hmm, I wonder.

And, fine. Scum won't act differently. Have it your way.
Now, how does two rushed Town deaths on D1

not

hurt the Town, huh?

Finally, what's wrong with two, more thought out wagons on D2? What makes that more anti-town than one kinda-thought-out-but-wrong wagon and a rushed deadline wagon on D1?

cjdrum · Post Post #288 (isolation #15) » Mon May 23, 2011 10:36 am

[Low Key] wrote:
cjdrum wrote:And I don't know exactly how scum behaviour would differ, because I don't know how scum behavior is normally

Poor Newbie CJDrum wrote:And... Yes, I've been on the site for three whole months. So long. Totally long enough for me to start caring enough to start going through games and looking at scum tactics and scum voting patterns and scum this and scum that.
Short answer: I haven't looked into scum play. Knowledge doesn't magically appear from time; you have to work at it. And I haven't worked at it yet.

Oh my.

Poor CJ doesn't know how scum thinks and is
only
3 months old huh?

As I was re-reading our exchanges I
actually
felt sorry for him and thought I was overdoing things but THEN I decided to check his age again and really verify that he was just a poor and innocent new player and look what I found!

Expert Sounding CJDrum

DUM BUM DUMMMMM!

Ah, you got me...

I answered a question about an uncommon role, which I knew the answer for from stumbling on the corresponding wiki pages.

How does random knowledge == scum play knowledge?

I knew the answer there, and so helped. It's just my nature. If I knew the answer here, I would use it to answer your questions better. But I don't, FOR THE REASONS STATED PREVIOUSLY WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ABILITY TO ANSWER A RANDOM QUESTION.

As for why the scum would use the vig on D1:
The hypothetical situation here is that we get someone to L-1, with a hammer announced. Then the scum with the vigkill kills a random Townie instead.
This is why I think that

in this hypothetical situation

the scum would use their vigkill on D1.

What don't you get? Can you outline exactly what we're talking about and exactly what I haven't answered? You're being awfully vague, and when I ask you to rephrase it takes two requoting the question, 1 quoting the question with large commas, and a whole bunch of "wrong" answers for you to phrase it in some other ambiguous way.

cjdrum · Post Post #346 (isolation #16) » Tue May 24, 2011 11:28 pm

[Low Key] wrote:
zMuffinMan wrote:The only thing that could be called "scummy" about DK's claim is how early it came, but even then, I have meta on him that suggests he just doesn't know any better regardless of his alignment, and I would go so far as to say this makes it more likely he's town.

If he is town he shouldn't of hurt the town with his lame claim:

1) I've seen a thread where it is stated that a "modern meta" strategy for scum is to claim early to avoid the lynch because the town will just skip over them.
2) I think there is plenty of motivation for newb-scum to do what he has done all game even.
3) I think he is far more likely to be scum now after that terrible anti-town claim.
4) He will never be night killed and doesn't belong anywhere near MYLO (if he's town).
5) It is best to vig him now to actually see if he is newb-scum.
6) Its better to vig him now rather than risk the chance of running up a mason and forcing them to claim.
7) Its better to vig him now rather than exposing a VT so the scum can get a better shot at the masons.

1) First you're accusing DK of being newbish, then say that a modern meta with experienced players is what DK did? Work out what you're saying before saying two separate things to the thread.
2) Expand? No one can respond to this.
3) You've given one reason in three different points now.
4) Okay, sure.
5) Or we could look at other people, and get away from (y)our confirmation bias and tunnel vision? I see a group of three people which works as a scumteam, when all you've done all game is accuse DK of being scum

my

.
6) Unless DK is actually a Mason who is hiding behind a VT claim, this makes a bit of sense.
7)

WARNING! WARNING! INCORRECTNESS AND BAD LOGIC!

If we vig a VT, then the scum have a smaller pool of people to try and kill a Mason from. If we mislynch and misvig DK, then scum have a 3 in 7 shot of hitting a Mason - nearly a 50% chance.

Also, I was just thinking as I wrote this post... And it may seem stupid, but... What if the Masons were to claim? If we have a group of three people who can confirm each other as Masons, then all of Town will have three confirmeds - rather than three people having two confirmeds.
There's probably something that works against this, but I can't figure out what.

cjdrum · Post Post #352 (isolation #17) » Wed May 25, 2011 12:34 am

I guess so, or on D2 or something.

I would like the DayKill to be thought out and voted on separately as if it were a second lynch, rather than nearly lynching someone, vigging them and rushing a new lynch before deadline.

cjdrum · Post Post #354 (isolation #18) » Wed May 25, 2011 12:56 am

If the Vig shoots DK. All 6 votes on DK will be lost. Town then must fit a full lynch before deadline.

If not. We lynch DK. Scum kill someone (

possibly

the vig). We make lynch and DayKill decision based on DK + NK flips, with the full Day length to do it.

As for your 1), 2), 3):
2) Is wrong, because of possible scum WIFOM and that.
3) Again, unlikely, and if/when DK flips Town we won't be needing it so much anyway.
1) Can be done even if it is done D2.

cjdrum · Post Post #486 (isolation #19) » Wed May 25, 2011 10:07 pm

Okay, rereading the thread from where I last posted. One request for now:

LOW KEY CAN YOU PLEASE NOT DOUBLE/TRIPLE/QUADRUPLE POST EVERYTHING? THE THREAD WOULD BE HALF THE LENGTH IF A) YOU STOPPED ASKING SO MANY DUMB QUESTIONS AND B) YOU POSTED ONE POST AT A TIME.

cjdrum · Post Post #488 (isolation #20) » Wed May 25, 2011 10:16 pm

First:

hiphop wrote:
[insert text here, on how a shot came out of nowhere and shot Snarky]

Snarky,
a Mafia Goon,

has been shot.

Please remember rule #9

hiphop wrote:9.) When you die, you are dead. Stay that way.

Votecount coming.

This is why I changed from Spadille to Snarky. And so:

vote: Spadille

For the reasons stated in my first (and to an extent second) post, esp. since Snarky is now confirmed scum.

Second, Low Key.

[Low Key] wrote:Both CJ & Toro agree that DJ is scummy pretty heavily. Toro tried to throw mud on Snarky and CJ says Snarky is 100% scum.

I never said DJ was heavily scum. I said he was my other choice for scum if the scumteam wasn't Snarky/Spadille/Archaist, which I am 98% sure about.
And yes I said Snarky was 100% scum. This was correct. Problem?

cjdrum · Post Post #599 (isolation #21) » Thu May 26, 2011 6:51 pm

Somebody made a comment last page on me being so concerned about the DayKill?

With Low Key asking me so many questions about it, I answered the questions as I saw the answers. Then he says "That isn't the right answer", or if I don't answer because he's going to say that, he says "YOU ARE HARDCORE AVOIDING THIS, ANSWER NOW".

Low Key, at some stage, I would like to see a well-done case on me. Not "Oh, this post doesn't quite fit the right logic", more like why I'm scummy? kthx.

cjdrum · Post Post #605 (isolation #22) » Thu May 26, 2011 9:05 pm

chkflip wrote:You're barking up the wrong tree for that one.

You expect a guy who stretched out a sentence and a joke to this point is going to give a
proper
case? Get real.

This is pretty much what I'm saying.

Low Key needs to really get some real, thought through reads, rather than making a wagon and calling anyone who doesn't blindly follow (e.g. me) scum.

And to stop saying "I don't agree with your reads, you're scum." and "No, this person couldn't possibly be scum, stupid."

cjdrum · Post Post #608 (isolation #23) » Fri May 27, 2011 12:18 am

Speaking of which, I decided to do a small bit of meta on Low Key...

This is his second game. His other game is still running, but he was lynched D2 and was a Mafia Goon.
The end of Day 2 was at post #975, and his number of posts in that game was 354.

Currently in this game there are 607 posts (incl. this one), of which 215 are his.
This is nearly the exact same percentage from that game to this.

But! I don't know whether to take this as a meta-scumtell, or just as his playstyle.

For now, this is taken as a pinch of salt.

But, a question or two for Low Key:

Are you an Alt account, or played on another forum? You don't seem at first glance like a player in their second game. Especially from that first really long paragraph on your profile...
Why am I scum, and why is Archaist not?
WHY TRIPLE POST?
Where have you disappeared to? I never said to leave completely, I just asked for posting one post at a time, maybe two

Heh, ninja'd by LK himself.
5. Case on me, please?

cjdrum · Post Post #617 (isolation #24) » Fri May 27, 2011 1:10 am

Okay, quick post to let you all know I'll be away for the next 24 hours.

Low Key, please answer questions 1-4.

My justification for that was that it was a random thought. I never said "MASONS CLAIM NOW DAMMIT", I said "I was wondering, and it's probably stupid, but what if the Masons were to claim?"

I wanted a response to that, but something other than "LOGIC FAIL DIE SCUM" - more like "This is why it is wrong".

cjdrum · Post Post #894 (isolation #25) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:04 pm

Spadille wrote:
Loki wrote:The Masons are (
in the order I learned them
):
Spad
,
Snake
,
Arch

3 people listed

does not include LK

LOL. I'm not Mason. Are you role fishing?

Though you are right, I see Archaist and Snake as obvious town. I'm defending them not because they're my mason mates, but because I believe they are town.

But yeah, let's do this to know if Low Key is scum or not. This is Day 1 after all and we already granted that quota of killing 1 scum per day.
VOTE: MuffinMan

The top quote. Let me list stuff to do with this.

[*]
If you "learned" them in a certain order, then you mustn't have been given them in your role PM

[*]
Spad says he is not a Mason.

[*]
I'm... Okay with you saying this, I guess

[*]
Archaist is not a Mason. Come on.

[*]
...

[*]
If you are not a Mason, then you cannot know with 100‰ certainty that these three are Masons.

And if you want to say "I'm not a Mason, I just know them all":

How?
Revealing who you think the Masons are is not ProTown. So why?
Also, since you yourself aren't a Mason, why these three?

Muffin isn't scum. Low Key is scum. I can see why Muffin is so fed up with this.

vote: [Low Key]

Also, when Low Key said "gg town"? Not cool.

cjdrum · Post Post #895 (isolation #26) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:07 pm

Let me fix that.

cjdrum wrote:
Spadille wrote:
Loki wrote:The Masons are (
in the order I learned them
):
Spad
,
Snake
,
Arch

3 people listed

does not include LK

LOL. I'm not Mason. Are you role fishing?

Though you are right, I see Archaist and Snake as obvious town. I'm defending them not because they're my mason mates, but because I believe they are town.

But yeah, let's do this to know if Low Key is scum or not. This is Day 1 after all and we already granted that quota of killing 1 scum per day.
VOTE: MuffinMan

The top quote. Let me list stuff to do with this.
you "learned" them in a certain order, then you mustn't have been given them in your role PM

Spad says he is not a Mason.

I'm... Okay with you saying this, I guess

Archaist is not a Mason. Come on.

...

If you are not a Mason, then you cannot know with 100‰ certainty that these three are Masons.

And if you want to say "I'm not a Mason, I just know them all":
How?

Revealing who you think the Masons are is not ProTown. So why?

Also, since you yourself aren't a Mason, why these three?

Muffin isn't scum. Low Key is scum. I can see why Muffin is so fed up with this.

unvote: Spadille

vote: [Low Key]

Also, when Low Key said "gg town"? Not cool.

cjdrum · Post Post #900 (isolation #27) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:25 pm

[Low Key] wrote:
cjdrum wrote:If you are not a Mason, then you cannot know with 100‰ certainty that these three are Masons.

This statement a false over-simplification.

You missed my post where I said I can prove who the masons are and can do so
in-thread
.

How do you plan on doing that?

And what was that sentence I just pulled apart meant to be, huh?

cjdrum · Post Post #903 (isolation #28) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:31 pm

"list of Evil Four"?

I never did this, as far as I know.

In fact,

you

did like reminding us of that list of four: "Two of these are definitely scum"; "TWO OF THESE GUYS ARE SCUM GUYS"; "

GUYS WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME TWO OF THESE FOUR ARE SCUM".

Not those exact words, but that's exactly how it felt. We came, we saw, we didn't like. We saw again, we ignored. We saw another time, we got the point you can stop repeating yourself.

cjdrum · Post Post #905 (isolation #29) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:34 pm

WHAT OTHER WAY IS THERE TO KNOW? HOW CAN YOU KNOW WITH

100%

CERTAINTY?

YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE BLOODY A) MODLY CONFIRMATION, B) THE MASONS CODE SOMETHING TO YOU, OR C) YOU'RE F***ING LYING

cjdrum · Post Post #908 (isolation #30) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:38 pm

LowKey: Please. I would like to see complete cases on all four of us. Period. I'm not listening to you until you do.

I know it seems childish, but this is what it has to come down to. You can't just make a list of four and tell everyone who doesn't vote for one of them plain wrong.

And of course he has different reads to Muffin, he's f***ing scum! Bloody hell all he does is make random lists and wants everyone to sheep after him, aka NOT TOWN.

cjdrum · Post Post #915 (isolation #31) » Sat May 28, 2011 10:05 pm

I've already said what I think of your saying simply that our suspects are terrible suspects.

I'll read through your cases.

cjdrum · Post Post #1007 (isolation #32) » Tue May 31, 2011 9:26 pm

[Low Key] wrote:I would like everyone to weigh in on their opinon of the following list of potential scum:

Low Key, CJ, Toro, Chkflip

Please say if you agree or disagree.

If you
disagree
please say:

A) Who in the list you disagree with and why

B) Who should be in the list that isn't and why

Toro -- not answered
Low Key -- agrees
Archaist -- not answered
jilynne1991 -- not answered
DeityKabuto -- agrees (from yesterday until he says otherwise)
SnakePlissken -- not answered
Spadille -- not answered
chkflip -- not answered
cjdrum -- not answered

[Low Key] - is bugging me, but not exactly scummy. Also, with no massive links to anyone, lynching LK first would be slightly useless.
cjdrum - is Town.
Toro - is actually fairly scummy. I would not be opposed to a Toro lynch.
DJ and chkflip have been scummy since I joined into the game. I would not oppose a chkflip lynch.

And yeah. Scummy as all get go, that's me.

cjdrum · Post Post #1009 (isolation #33) » Tue May 31, 2011 9:40 pm

'Tis 'kay, "broham".

About Snarky-Notes Gate:
- I read through the thread before receiving my role, taking notes on individual posts' scumminess/towniess.
- Snarky, IMO, had no town-seeming posts or scum-seeming posts.
- I then read his posts in ISO, and saw he was [exaggeration] a bloody lying bastard with three different stories [/exaggeration].
That's... Basically it.

cjdrum · Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:04 am

(even if Toro was VT, at least we didn't hit a Mason. Now we missed a Mason and can work out where to go next)

cjdrum · Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:28 am

You sure don't seem VT.

I'm just listing it as a possibility.

cjdrum · Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:32 am

(Toro has been lynched already)

cjdrum · Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:43 am

Toro- how is that panicked? I was just telling DK that you had been lynched.
Flailing?

Also, ideal VTs try to help the Town. I'm leaving it there because I have to go, but...

cjdrum · Post Post #1072 (isolation #38) » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:28 pm

Well, since we've killed one scum a day, with a single mislynch (of Muffin. Come on.), I think that we can trust the majority again.

vote: chkflip

cjdrum · Post Post #1122 (isolation #39) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:44 pm

[Low Key] wrote:Players alive: CJ,LK,DK,Jil,Spad

The scummiest of these 5 is clearly CJ. The reasons the rest are not scum is explained
below:

I'm
not scum because (as Pops said) it was suicide for me to call out the masons to
lynch Muffin if I was. To my credit, I have hit 2/3 scum with my short list which also was
completely unnecessary when the town was not even thinking in those terms.

Jill
is not scum because Parab voted both Snarky and Toro early/often and replaced out with town sentiments -- scum-Parab would of at least prod-dodged since everyone thought they were town anyway. JILL IS NOT SCUM PERIOD.

DK
is not scum because he pushed Snarky hard when it wasn't necessary and was voted/suspected to death by Toro AND Snarky.

Therefore CJ
MUST
be scum.

IF
the game for some reason goes to LYLO:

D4 CJ lynched, Spad NK
D5 left alive LK,DK,Jil(LYLO)

Between the two of them, DK is scummier than Jill and if the game goes to LYLO, DK is the last scum because of a
dual
scum bus due to him acting SCUM SCUM SCUM
all over the dang thread.

I need every player in this game to agree with me
100%
that Jill is not scum. If not, please explain why.

Vote CJ

I agree with all of this except "CJ must be scum" - for a start, it's fail logic: why is Spadille not scum?

Because of the agreement that DK, LK and Jill aren't scum, and my knowledge that I am not,

vote: Spadille

cjdrum · Post Post #1124 (isolation #40) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:49 pm

cjdrum · Post Post #1127 (isolation #41) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:54 pm

Above is really scummy.

In an open setup, everyone knows there are Masons. It is just like scum to wait til it can't be confirmed/denied easily then say they are a Mason.

I am not a Mason. I am Vanilla Town. Could the real Mason please stand up?
(for now,

unvote: Spadille

or whatever)

cjdrum · Post Post #1128 (isolation #42) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:55 pm

(1127 was directed at 1125)

cjdrum · Post Post #1132 (isolation #43) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:59 pm

Please don't hammer until DK gets here and says whether he's a Mason. I don't want us to lose due to fail logic and an Open Setup breadcrumb.

cjdrum · Post Post #1135 (isolation #44) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:14 pm

Why must they not be told, Spadille? I'm looking now, but...

Also, the fact that 1. Only LK seemed to pick up on anything, and 2. Scum have nearly perfectly killed a Mason a night... It doesn't look good.

In fact, I'm starting to trust Spadille more, and not so much LK. For this,

vote: Low Key

cjdrum · Post Post #1137 (isolation #45) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:25 pm

I. Am. Not. Scum.

When I have sufficient reason to believe that somebody isn't scum, I look for other people who could be scum.

Spad is not scum, bar a DK counterclaim.
Jill is fairly innocent.
DK is town, I've seen him play like this.
I am Town, I know.
Low Key has all signs pointing to bad.

cjdrum · Post Post #1140 (isolation #46) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:47 pm

How I see things currently:

- cjdrum: Vanilla Town
- jilynne1991: Vanilla Town
- DeityKabuto: Vanilla Town
- Spadille: Mason
- [Low Key]: Mafia Goon

Any comments please? Other than "Um... CJ IS SCUM"

cjdrum · Post Post #1144 (isolation #47) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:05 pm

If you don't want me hammered, unvote. Duh.

cjdrum · Post Post #1146 (isolation #48) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:08 pm

cjdrum wrote:If you don't want me hammered, unvote. Duh.

cjdrum · Post Post #1167 (isolation #49) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:01 pm

I wasn't against killing anyone in particular; I was against using it so early.

Parabollocks/jil is Town.
Spadille is Town.
Low Key is really bugging me, deflecting so much like he is.

Guys - if you lynch me. When I flip Town, LYNCH LOW KEY. Please.

cjdrum · Post Post #1168 (isolation #50) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:01 pm

(also I'm like 99.9% sure DK is Town)

cjdrum · Post Post #1188 (isolation #51) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:28 pm

I'd prefer to lynch LK

now

, but either way works.

cjdrum · Post Post #1202 (isolation #52) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:38 pm

[Low Key] wrote:Spad, you're saying that its more likely that I would of bussed BOTH Toro AND Snarky??

Its more likely than both scum bussing DK??

C'mon. I'm telling you, I don't play like that as scum. I mean take a look at my first post I nailed both scum in that post and named them both in a list of 4 when nobody was thinking that way. You think THAT is more likely than both scum bussing DK??

Now I see why Muffin said two scum had to be on DK. Now I finally get it. Well I agree with Muffin I would of bussed that guy from the very beginning as scum. Maybe you can't see it but the fact I waited until the heat was off of him to finally vote him is a town tell for me.

As for that second last paragraph - so did I. Problem?

cjdrum · Post Post #1203 (isolation #53) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:38 pm

(not absolute first, but pretty close)

cjdrum · Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:55 pm

jil - You played well. You kept up the image of really good Town; most other people (myself included) would probably do something extremely scummy to bring that house of cards down.

Everybody gives in and gives up once in a while - it's just part of being human. Don't beat yourself up, and remember to keep playing and playing. You'll just get better, and you'll look back on this and see where you've gotten to from here.

You didn't fail - failing would mean telling yourself you failed. And giving up. Don't do it.

cjdrum · Post Post #1369 (isolation #55) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:36 pm

(also, when talking in terms of nooses and hanging people, the word "hanged" is more correct than "hung")