Open 307-Friends and Enemies Deadly Alliance-Town Wins!!

[jilynne1991]

/Confirm I'll post again when I finish skimming/reading. So far, I haven't completed any games yet, so please point it out to me if I'm doing anything wrong, thanks!

[jilynne1991]

(I'm not done yet.) I just wanted to say, can't I skim the first few pages if you guys are at RVS? (Or should I read everything? Sorry, I'm super inexperienced, but I catch on fast. I think.)

[jilynne1991]

I'm going to have to say that Muffin is leaning towards scum the most. Toro may be leaning scum but not that much. I say let's lynch Muffin first. Lowkey...is also confusing me. I'm not sure if he's scum or not, but if I had to choose three people to lynch, there you have it. One thing I need to put out there, is that I'm not trying to defend Toro and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt scum would be that careless. Another thing is that, his precessor seemed to be a townie.

Could I get a votecount?

If Muffin's scum, I'll probably believe that Lowkey's a helpful townie...but if he isn't, I'm going to start questioning some judgement.

For the people I think are most likely town, I'm going to say that popsofctown is leaning town, because of how helpful he is. It wouldn't make sense for him to try to be too helpful if he was scum. Also, I don't always agree with DietyKabuto, but most likely, she's town.

[jilynne1991]

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question to ask, but would confirming you're not a Mason be smart? Wouldn't it be better to not say anything?

[jilynne1991]

Vote: MuffinMan

Sorry for doubleposting, but is there a such thing as posting too much?

[jilynne1991]

Is "Loki" LowKey?

[jilynne1991]

Well, I must point out that you have already caught my (and some other people's) suspicion.

Also, could I please *gets down on knees and begs* have a votecount? I don't want to go through everything just to figure out the vote. (An estimate would be fine too.)

Here's where I'm confused, I must say LowKey seems to be more helpful to the town that you. And, I do believe one of you guys are scummy. *sigh* Could everyone else chime in a bit on what they think of this?

[jilynne1991]

Muffin, you do know, I was the one that suggest maybe lynching you right? If that was a misjudgement, I'm very sorry.

For me I do agree with LowKey, but even before I looked at his case, I already found you suspicious. I want to lynch you, since it's being implied that either you are scum or LK is scum, and I honestly think he's more helpful/less likely to be scum than you.

Out of curiosity, do you guys have something agianst each other already that I missed? Since, it's quite obvious, I was asking aabout the lynch and you pounce on spad...I find that weird. (No I'm not defneding spad, but from what I see he seems to have good judgement.)

For me personally, i would hate to mislynch anyone, because that would be giving the mafia an advantage. If you can convince me of your innocence or even find someone scummier, I'll change or unvote. I think LK is leaning town, but he's making me think that he may be scum.

I think it was rolefishing, since he put it so that he hoped someone would say it's not the masons he said, or like Spad, they would deny it. I may be wrong, but I think you're our biggest lead right now, and you're my foremost candidate for a lynch. I'm not asking for a lynch right now, I'm happy to wait for more information.

[jilynne1991]

MuffinMan, what do you think of Spad and me at the moment?

[jilynne1991]

I am 100% certain of who the masons are. Period.

This is interesting. I though spad just said he wasn't one. I'm sorry I wasn't reading carefully.

Unvote, Vote: Low Key

Btw, muffinman, you're right in saying I'm inexperienced. Orignially I agreed with Low Key tho. Now he's really catching my attention. If either you're not scum or if spad's not a mason, Low Key has really caught my vote, and i don't think anything will change it.

I believe spad's leaning town, because if he were scum, he wouldn't say he's not a mason, he would let people keep believing that. He also has no reason to say he's not mason if he is.

[jilynne1991]

Well, that shows my inexperience. Sorry, I totally missed 2). What I assumed about 1) was that if he's scum, he would be more concerned about not being lynched that getting LK lynched...isn't that reasonable? Since if he's going to deny being a mason, that makes me think he could be either MAFIA or townie.

[jilynne1991]

@Toro, at the moment, neither do I, especially since I'm pretty sure Low Key's scum. Do you mind explaining why cjdrum's so suspicious?

[jilynne1991]

^Now I'm paranoid. *Ugh* I feel like I'm doing everything WRONG. Well, I'll stick with my vote for now and see what everyone else say.

[jilynne1991]

Hm, reading games and playing in them is really a different story all together. Thanks, muffinman, I feel like I'm just now learning how to play mafia.

[jilynne1991]

I am 100% certain of who the masons are. Period.

This is interesting. I though spad just said he wasn't one. I'm sorry I wasn't reading carefully.

Unvote, Vote: Low Key

Btw, muffinman, you're right in saying I'm inexperienced. Orignially I agreed with Low Key tho. Now he's really catching my attention. If either you're not scum or if spad's not a mason, Low Key has really caught my vote, and i don't think anything will change it.

I believe spad's leaning town, because if he were scum, he wouldn't say he's not a mason, he would let people keep believing that. He also has no reason to say he's not mason if he is.

I did. He confuses me and I believe his information is incorrect. Ok, thanks to muffinman, I feel like people are feeding me incorrect information, because I'm a newb. *sigh* Could people start confirming what each other say? (Just so I feel a little more secure.) Sorry!

[jilynne1991]

Well thanks to the paranoia muffinman passed on to me, couldn't you be lying? *sigh* Mafia is a mentally and psychologically difficult game. (Well for me.) Could you tell me your logic for wanting to lynch Low Key?

[jilynne1991]

I'm just curious but most people on this website are above the age of 16 right? Since this seems for like an adult-ish website.

[jilynne1991]

Not as much, but if LowKey's scum, I'm probably going to be more likely to believe your town. If he's town, I may suspect you a bit more.

I would guess that he first chose you over LK is that at *that* moment, LK seemed less scummy.

[jilynne1991]

Why am I scum? I just want to hear a case for me. (I hope it's not for my noobiness )

[jilynne1991]

How do you know the 3 masons. Spad just said he WASN'T a mason. (Sorry if I'm sounding mean...I'm probably missing something anyways.)

[jilynne1991]

Unvote

Between pops and low key, I think my orignial feeling/suspcions were correct.

Do notice, I didn't say Muffin being townie would make LowKey scum, I said it would make me analyze and think a bit more about him.

I feel muffin is the scummiest, but I'm not 100% sure yet. So, what do you guys think of Toro at the moment. (I'd like as many people to reply as possible, thanks.)

[jilynne1991]

...Toro *might* be scum, but I feel like Muffin should be lynched first. Also, I'm willing to go with pops idea. It seems better than anything I can think of at the moment.

[jilynne1991]

Do you guys know if we might have a cop or doc or something?

[jilynne1991]

I don't know if this means anything, but the rest of us added up together have posted around 541 times, while LK has single-handedly posted 318 times. Does this mean anything?

[jilynne1991]

LOL, and I thought I posted alot.

[jilynne1991]

Shall I vote? If you want the town to lose, you seem to be scum.

[jilynne1991]

Is this next vote hammer? More importantly, can I go with my suspicions and vote?

[jilynne1991]

*sigh* I'm so scared to hammer, cause what if he's town? The evil side of my brain is saying that I'm going to feel like crap if he's town.

Muffin has given up, and I *think* it's a good choice, therefore:

Vote: Muffin

Just to apologize ahead of time: if you town, I'm sorry you played a bad game, so I'm going to stick by my choice. It was fun playing with you anyways. Hope to play with you again. (Better yet, this isn't a hammer, but I think it is.)

[jilynne1991]

That's a lynch? MuffinMan has entirely given up and if I remember correctly he even implied that he wanted scum to win, so whether he flips town or not, I'll still stand by my vote. Hopefully he's scum. *Crosses fingers*

[jilynne1991]

@ Above...sorry, I know it makes me seem scummy, but I doubt myself alot especially since before this game, I haven't played any mafia games before, and I don't really trust myself.

Orignally, my reason for suspecting LK was because I didn't know how he knew the masons, and I thought he was incorrect. Couldn't it be B, tho?

[jilynne1991]

Well it's the most likely out of all the choices, isn't it?

[jilynne1991]

We needed pops.

[jilynne1991]

I agree, but for me, it's mainly Chkflip and CJ.

[jilynne1991]

I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand. What do you mean? I'm so confused. What even put me on your scum list in the first place?

[jilynne1991]

What strikes me about Toro, is that he doesn't defend himself. I don't know whether that's scum or town, but that's worth pointing out.

[jilynne1991]

Scum probably jumped off seeing that it had enough steam. ALSO, don't forget Toro was like "I"m ready to drop the hammer YO, if you all are ready to end the day!".

What do you mean? Sorry, I don't get that.

Well, I don't think there were scum on the muffin wagon, because I think you already pinpointed the scum so they were super cautious and careful to not try to direct the heat off of them. (If they tried, someone may have kept accusing them of being scum.)

What's a QT?

Well I ask for permission to hammer too, because I don't want to hammer and then have everyone mad at me. Ok, I now have a town read on LK, because of his usefulness.

LOL, the last 2x I tried to post, it showed me LK's new post first.

[jilynne1991]

Oh, I'm sorry, I meant in the last few posts. I would expect someone in this critical of a situation to be more active.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, you guys, scum, wouldn't over to self sacrifice, so I honestly doubt he's scum. If you guys want, we can lynch him to make you guys feel like he's not bluffing, but I honestly doubt he's faking all this.

[jilynne1991]

...Better yet, is that we don't lynch you at all, but somehow I think you've made too many enemies for that happen. I personally think you're quite useful around here...but alotta votes are getting stacked on you.

[jilynne1991]

...Who would have something to gain from Snake's death? I highly suggest we figure that out and then work from that. With how this game's going, I'd say that Spadille's going next.

Wow, though, I'm amazed how accurately Low Key pinpointed the masons. That's incredible.

[jilynne1991]

Wow, though, hey when we get to LYLO (and hopefully neither of us are killed,) could you please explain how you were able to predict the masons that accurately? Honestly though, in all the 9 games I'm in right now, that's the most interesting thing I've seen.

The only people I feel like are definitely town are me (well duh) and Low Key.

Yes, I agree we should discuss this thouroughly in case Low Key gets killed. (Since he's definitely obstructing the mafia, aka CJ, and he might be the next one that's getting killed.) It doesn't help any when there's only one mason, so actually I'm not sure whose getting NK'ed next.

When we're all done discussing, I'll vote CJ.

[jilynne1991]

I just realized one more thing that convicts CJ. Snake was one of the two people voting for him, and he got killed! (Sorry for the excitement, I'm just actually finding evidence for once.)

[jilynne1991]

This is such a strategic game. I just realized why you needed to make sure everyone knew I wasn't scum. It's because in case you get killed, people will know what to do, right? *sigh* (Yes, I'm a little slow and I'm stating the obvious.)

Oh yea! (I just saw your previous post.) YAYYYYYYYYYY excuse my excitement, but I won my first mafia game ever!!!!! I'm sooooo happy!!!

[jilynne1991]

I KNOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WE WINNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!! I'M SOOOOO EXCITED!!! C'MON PEOPLES!

Pedit: Could you right now? Since I'm insanely curious how you did that.

[jilynne1991]

Oh, ok then! I'M SOOOO EXCITEDDD!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVEEEE WINNNINGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!! YAYYYYY, TOWN'S WINNNING NO MATTTERRRRR WHATTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!! (Oh, and this is when I stop the mature crap and be hyper!) YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[jilynne1991]

The scariest thing of all, is that while I'm showering, I also thought what if cj wasn't scum, and that somehow you made a mistake and that it got down to spadille, me, and you. (and that spadille was scum.)

Nevermind, that was paranoia.

Anyways, you've been right about masons up till now, so I'll just trust you on the spadille thing.

[jilynne1991]

Spadille, what was the bread crum and what were the hints? Since somehow, I missed everything. And hey, when you give out hints, you expect someone to pick up on them right? (Not to mention, please don't cuss, it's noti necesary.)

[jilynne1991]

Hmmmm, I like playing with Low Key...he seems to pick up on stuff no one else does. (Well at least when we're on the same side.) Spadille, you just confirmed you're a mason, and LK's been saying that all along, so I'll be ready to hammer CJ whenever.

[jilynne1991]

Oh...wow, I'm stupid. I looked at post 8 for like 3 minutes, and I even know the obvious breadcrumb which is the first letter of each word. I won't hammer until I have confirmation from at least 2 people. Don't worry.

Spadille, I'm not going to find them. I already looked. Just tell me post game.

[jilynne1991]

Cj, now you seem to just be trying to kill us one by one, and seeing if you can find anyone you can turn the heat on. It's not going to work. Give it up.

[jilynne1991]

Must I wait for DK to hammer? Since I'm tired of waiting. I wanna WIN already.

[jilynne1991]

Cj you're on my nerves...partly because you could be right. I'm starting to wonder if LK's been playing all of us. Well, you're still the scummiest of all and I still want you dead, so nevermind that doesn't change things. I'm willing to doubt Spadille, but something tells me LK is pro-town.

[jilynne1991]

Chill. I'm not hammering. Cj's on my nerves though.

[jilynne1991]

LOL...*stands on head*
I'M SCUM LYNCH ME x1000000 (did i get the number of 0's right? sorry, i'm sleepy)
jkjk
playing with LK is fun

[jilynne1991]

I gotta say, I love parabollocks, (s)he is one smart mafia player. Although I'm a noob, (s)he sent things up perfectly for me, so that (s)he wasn't helpful enough to get NKed yet had judgement good enough to make sure I'd never get lynched.

Hey, post-game, one of you guys needs to point out the hints, since this is what, the 3rd time I'm looking for them? Somehow, I'm not seeing anything.

Sheesh, this is the 5th time I tried to post.

[jilynne1991]

Also, DK wanted this, so...

Who I am 100% Sure Is Scum: Snarky, Spadille
Who I suspect to be Scum: Archaist, Toro, DonJosh('s replacement), popsofctown
Who I suspect to be Town: DeityKabuto, zMuffinMan, [Low Key], Parabollocks, SnakePlissken
Who I am 100% Sure Is Town: cjdrum

If there is more than one name in a category, the players towards the left have a stronger feel that way than further to the right.

Wow, nice job bussing 2 scum partners.

[jilynne1991]

@Low Key:

I have no idea what happened to my Snarky reads, but I'll go through his ISO and see what I can see. Here:
ISO #3: Was pointed out as scummy by... Low Key... But I think it can be passed as a normal RVS vote. Otherwise it

would

have been scummy...

Null leaning slightly scummy, but only a bit

.
ISO #6: Denies that his vote on DK for self-voting was random.

Slightly scummy.

ISO #8: Digging himself into a hole here, possibly his own grave. "If you don't trust yourself, why should I?" does not line up with "I failed to see DK's selfvote before".

VERY scummy, very bad even if not scum.

ISO #10: Pings me as off. Snarky had only 3 posts before his DK vote.

However, it may be that Snarky was responding to random questions before reading the thread.

No, bold is obvious.

Slight scum lean, needs explanation.

ISO #14: I don't like the first part.
He outlines DK's case against Spadille in points that could easily applied to DK's case on Snarky himself, including calling it OMGUS.
This post strikes me as off in three ways:

• Slight possibility of subliminal Town-read-making on himself, so people agree with his points and subliminally find him Town-y.
  
• Slightly OMGUSish, but only a bit.
  
• Very Chainsaw-looking Defense of Spadille.

Slightly scummy leaning very.

So it's a good thing I missed making any notes on Snarky on my original read-through, because his posts aren't very scummy on their own - however, they don't exactly seem to line up.


Now, after all that, I'd have to say that my top

two

scum suspects are Spadille and Snarky - I think they are either both Masons or both scum, but seem too scummy to be Masons. In fact, I'd say that Snarky is scummier now, so:

unvote: Spadille

vote: Snarky

And IGMEOY both.

Third scum suspect would have to be DonJosh, but this is nowhere near as strong. It's mostly for the excuses for not posting, but I have seen many a Town player do this and so have to be wary.

Haven't found the vote on Toro yet, but found the Snarky one.

[jilynne1991]

Spadille, are you accusing LK? (Oh, and btw, I'm still insanely curious how LK picked up on something no one else picked up on.)

Hmmm, I honestly doubt he's scum. I have my doubts, but out of everyone, he seems to be the most "townie."

Ok, I don't get what your discussing about Parab. Sorry, I think it being 12:00 has something to do with my lack of comprehension.

(Btw, I somehow predicted that I would be ninja'd.)

[jilynne1991]

Please explain the first part of your above post. (@ Spadille) Double negatives are screwing up my brain. (Sorry!)

Wow...tonight, I've already been ninja'd 7x. Make that 8.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, here are the many scenarios going on in my mind:

Spad is scum:

LK is NKed tonight, tomorrow, depending on DK, we might win, we might now.

DK is NKed (which is doubtful if Spad is scum) LK might realize it, but we should come to the conclusion that Spad is scum.

LK is scum:

I get NKed. Spad has enough suspicion and should be able to convince DK. We win.

I don't get NKed, I realize what happened, depends on either Spad or DK.

DK is scum:

I get NKed, we probably lose because of the distrust between LK and Spad

I don't get NKed, I figure out what happens we win.

Right now, I'm praying that cj is scum. *sigh* This went from an easy simple game to a confusing one in an hour.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, let's kill cj. DK, where ever you are, hurry up.

[jilynne1991]

Where's LK, this is a big decision, I want him to ok this.

[jilynne1991]

Personally, I'd be more than glad to vote cj right now though.

[jilynne1991]

OK, so can I vote? Do you mind?

[jilynne1991]

I just need to point out that if he was hesitating scum, he just wouldn't reply instead of reply and hesistating.

[jilynne1991]

Oh...oops. Sorry. Well, I don't want to mislynch.
Whatever, screw that.

Vote: Cjdrum

God, I hope you're scum.

[jilynne1991]

Why are we lynch LK if he flips town? I think it's more likely DK is scum.

[jilynne1991]

Tomorrow, if somehow cj wasn't town, who do we lynch if it's me, LK, and spad left? Who do we lynch if it's me, Lk, and DK left? Who do we lynch if it's Spad, DK and me left? Who are you guys lynching if it's you 3 left?

[jilynne1991]

Btw, wow, I've gotten ninja'd 11x in the past hour. That has to be a record.

[jilynne1991]

O.M.G Dudeeee, LK, how are you able to predict things that acurately? Can you please tell me you're not scum?

[jilynne1991]

...what? please elaborate I'm having crazy thoughts that you might be scum. Please tell me your not.

[jilynne1991]

Welll...here it is:

Vote: Deity Kabuto

C'mon LK, dont fail me. If you turn out to be scum...god, I will feel so stupid.

[jilynne1991]

...The only glitch in your reasoning is that I'm not scum. I found that funny too, which is why I suspected you. I though DK was lurking the whole time.

[jilynne1991]

Crap. Nice job. I actually thought about waiting, since I was pretty sure you could check when DK was last on. Gosh...to get so close and then to lose. Anyways, nice job, you played a great strategic game.

[jilynne1991]

Wow...impatience got the best of me. *sigh* I was seriously that close, since Parab literally set it up perfectly for me. I was really hoping it would jsut end tonight, before I went to sleep. @mod, am I allowed to self vote to end the game?

[jilynne1991]

This sucks, this is the second game today, where I've gotten lynched. Ughhhhhhh *groans* Sorry, toro, snarky, and parab. Crappppppppppppppp

Honestly though, I pretty much just said i was scum. DK isn't an idiot, I'm playing with him in other games too.

[jilynne1991]

The thing that sucks it that I did think that deeply. I did realize that you might catch that. I was hoping you wouldn't and I highly doubted it.

I was impatient and I really wanted the game ot end before I went to seleep though. *sighs* Whatever, not to use this as an excuse, but make if I was an adult, I might've thought it thru more throughly and waited.

Wow...right before I voted for DK, I also thought it was a bad idea, since I though that made me look a little lynch happy.

[jilynne1991]

Ohhhmyf---inggod. f--- When I saw that you figured out I was scum, I was really shocked, since I highly doubted that. Crappppp.... Yea, I know what you mean now.

[jilynne1991]

I'm probably the only person ever to do this, and toro and snarky will probably hate me for this but

Vote: jilynne1991

[jilynne1991]

I don't really care anymore, but do you mind pointing out how you knew who the masons were now?

Hiphop, forget about it, my bad, I realized Deity Kabuto wasn't on, and I still wanted you to post simply becuase I was impatient. Sorry.

[jilynne1991]

OMG...wow...it's nice to know how everyone noticed I slipped up except LK...(and I thought I was doing prety well) *sigh* UGHHHHHH

[jilynne1991]

Anyways, thanks parab, if I was just a little less impatient, it would have worked out wonderuflly.

[jilynne1991]

Oh, and is there a thread for dead people in every mafia game on mafiascum?

[jilynne1991]

Well, thanks everyone, it's nice to know how parab played his role beautifully, and I screwed everything up!

[jilynne1991]

Chkflip...I simply restated what everyone else said. Calm down.

[jilynne1991]

scum qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/vhZc2NyhVMq

[jilynne1991]

...*sigh* omgggg i cannot believe i screwed up that badly at the last moment....if i litterally kept it together for a few extra moments, and had a bit mroe patience we would have *WON*

[jilynne1991]

chkflip...this is my first ever finished mafia game

[jilynne1991]

Well, I knew at least toro was reading it.

[jilynne1991]

Ugh...parab was probably the only one who actually played scum well. I really should of held it together. *sigh* sorry you guys.

I was so excited about winning and beating LK...I sorta lost it. Anyways, nice job town.

[jilynne1991]

I'll concentrate on my other 8 games, so think I'll unbookmark this and stop posting on the thread. Fun playing with you guys, cya!