Open 330: Masons and Mafia (Game Over, Scum Win)

[SpyreX]

I remember GOOD SIR. Or at least I'm pretty sure I remember A game with it.

Dram is probably town.
Glowball is probably town.
Fate IS town.

HOWEVER, LETS BE CLEAR: THAT DOESNT MEAN RECK IS SCUM LETS NOT PLAY AWESOME DANCE PARTY OUT OF THE GATE.

I'm on the fence with Elli.

However get real words party ready later becauseeeee

Vote: Crazy

While

I'm

not down with the waiting game it DOES make sense. That first reply was golden gravy.

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Am I right about GOOD SIR? Was it a beautiful game we were in together? I dont want to cheat and look it up.

DAMNIT RECK.

NO. DEEP BREATH.

I DO NOT WANT TO WRITE AN ESSAY ON THIS.

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PREVIEWWWWZ

LOLNOPE my ass. Fate is town. I'm pretty sure about dram and glowball but I'm sure about Fate.

[SpyreX]

A PLACE AND A TIME FOR EVERYTHING.

GOD.

And thats not what I was talking about. That post is classic woosh THIS:

... Now that I think about it, do we have any reason to want to lynch? <<

So, your plan is to do nothing and wait for scum to kill themselves...? Okay.

*waits*
3 years later...
*still waiting*

I guess I should have brought Yahtzee or something.

@glowball - Do you think scum would really get antsy enough for this to work?

Is what I'm talking about. While waiting has a snowballs chance in hell of actually happening it IS valid. That response is slimy all over.

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I'm not sure what any of you are going on about with Dram. I thought it was pretty clear what he was saying and this is some super cool stretching to get where you're at.

@SpyreX - How is the "waiting game" valid? Did you know about dramonic's rule?

Forcing shots > lynches. Theoretically, if you had trigger happy scum the right and most boring way to do it would be to say absolutely nothing at all until a shot was made.

I'm STILL not talking about the later Crazy post which was bad I'm talking about the FIRST Crazy post which was scum.

Preview:

Good lord because the initial counterargument was "Well, 3 YEARS FROM NOW nothing will happen." which he was saying isn't true because there is a deadline that forces a cycle.

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Ok so we're really shifting gears.

Explain to me what "SEKRET INFORMATIONS" you'd expect Dram to have in an open setup that would be in the QT and not in that post that would actually equate to him being scum.

GOOD LORD DEADLINES WERE IMPLICITLY TALKED ABOUT ON PAGE ONE

[SpyreX]

THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DEFENDING RECK

You didn't say a "few cycles." You said there was a HEA if we hit deadline without a lynch.

There's a deadline for lynch

before

we hit a happily ever after and scum is not necessary patient. Add to that the Screaming Death Clowns are already juggling mason claims and bullets will fly.
I'm not feeling rushed.

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@SpyreX - If you thought my first post was so horrendous, what is your opinion of glowball being swayed by it?

What in the hell does that have to do with ANYTHING? OHH LOOK HE BOUGHT IT :SMUG:

Ohh look Kat doin nothin. Noice.

something like:

<b>@mod: what happens if we just don't kill anyone and town doesn't lynch?</b>

ya know something real simple-like

.....

You're really sticking to this, huh.

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Annnd crazy steps up to the plate with But moooommmmmmm why am I scum.

Gut needs to DO SOMETHING kthx.

Elli's p town Fate town these are good things although no one can ever complain about caps compared to the yokel posts.

CALLIN IN NOW: One of Socio - Glowball in their special tryst is scum. Annnnddddd I may have been wrong about earlier because this:

Socio you are purposefully not answering questions and ignoring the fact that you've called for my lynch for absolutely no reason AND not even accompanied by a vote. You make no sense

VOTE: Socio

Is bad. And holding hands with Crazy is cute. Especially since its the tentative touchy feely kind and not front row makeout.

[SpyreX]

You mean almost as awesome at that stuff.

You know what is missing from that Socio vote?

Anything resembling him being scum. Because "you're a big meanie face and make no sense" isn't a reason.

Kat's voting Crazy and this aint a setup for double dutch bus so we'll see how that pans out. Inherently? I don't WANT to lynch Kat at the moment, so probably scum SNAP META.

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You'll remember me distancing from Kat if Crazy's lynch goes through?

Sweet. Lets get that distancing started then.

P.S. "you're a big meanie head" isn't literal.

P.S.S. if Crazy is scum can we lynch glowball and reck in some glorious reckball

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I just saw the new quote feature and almost wet myself

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Give me Crazy and we'll talk about it tomorrow pinky swear.

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Thats it.

Now I have to use REAL WORDS.

Not amused.

[SpyreX]

We're gonna play a game (i'm gonna cheat some and make it easy on you check bolded) called EVERY POST CRAZY HAS MADE:

Spoiler: giant wall

So, your plan is to do nothing and wait for scum to kill themselves...? Okay.

*waits*
3 years later...
*still waiting*

I guess I should have brought Yahtzee or something.

@

glowball

- Do you think scum would really get antsy enough for this to work?

First off, and partially in response to the post above. YES. The plan of "do nothing and wait for scum to kill themselves"

theoretically

is a damn good one. Its not my style but it was a good idea and the start of good vibrations that are now gone with the wind on glowballina.

Crazy- Do you have anything to say about Dram's inquiry?

Like what? Weren't you and dram saying the same thing?

This is here for the game you'll see.

VOTE:

glowball

For role-fishing. Twice.

Once with "Hey, Crazy, why are you questioning me but not dramonic?"
And more obviously, with "Hey, Fate, why are you saying that you're not a mason?"

On another note, he also completely abandoned his line of thinking (of the "waiting game" stuff) based only on my one post (#15). That suggests he was hardly sincere to begin with.

OMG ROLE FISHING

Except not. Jesus. Not even pretend.

THERE WAS IN NO WORLD WHERE THE WORDS ROLE AND FISHING HAVE ACTUAL USEFUL MEANINGS ROLEFISHING HAPPENING

I did not realize that. How do you know that?

@glowball

- Did you know this?

Ahh the beginning of dramland. Better keep giving glowball (the scum) those secret backrubs though.

@SpyreX - How is the "waiting game" valid? Did you know about dramonic's rule?

Holy hell in a handbasket a post without glowball mentioned. I'm shocked and awed except this has nothing to do with anything nooooice.

Oh, and of course, @Mod - Please confirm whether or not dramonic is correct in whether no lynch by deadline will result in a "happily ever after."

If the answer's "no," then a dram lynch is bogus. He's not confirmed town, but he's not scum because of this. If the answer is "yes," then I'll go with a dram lynch.

Psssssst dram lynch was bogus regardless but we'll do a side review on who was pushing that because of happily ever after (Reck).

Glowball

, what were you hoping to accomplish with your question to Fate in Post #59? I said it was rolefishing because I can't imagine how that could possibly be scum-hunting. Prove me wrong.

I've PMed the mod to ask him, I'll let you all know what I hear back.

I'd like to hear it directly from the mod in thread.

Ohh a new name. ohh its reck. ohhhhhh its about the same junk.

@SpyreX - Actually, I didn't even notice the deadline at first. But seriously, what would be forcing the scum to shoot?

@dram - You didn't say a "few cycles." You said there was a HEA if we hit deadline without a lynch.

What he said about dram is

flat out wrong.

I mentioned this before and no one even winked. This is stubbornness to a degree that is not from town. This is from scum that can't back down. Much like STILL TALKING ABOUT OMG SCUM SHOOT WHI.

There is no night and there are no power-roles, what's the difference between day 1 and day 2 if no shots or lynches happen?
None?
Yeah, thought so.

According to you, a "happily ever after" ending.

Are you telling me that you didn't say in Post #150 that there would be a HEA ending if we didn't lynch by deadline? I can't see any other way to interpret that post.

KEEP ONNN KEEEPIN ON

I took it literally. But I think I believe you now.

*MIND CLEAR*

@SpyreX - If you thought my first post was so horrendous, what is your opinion of

glowball

being swayed by it?

Okay so instead of answering my question, you call it role fishing- I call it scum hunting. You blatantly ignored another player and I want to know why especially now that you are taking things that I say out of context. I told Fate and anyone else not to claim mason or say that they aren't mason that should be reserved because claiming anything is only helpful to scum in this set up IMO.

My point was that hunting for associations in a game with 4 masons is a bad idea.

About Fate, his post was obviously a joke and/or WIFOM, and your response read like "Oh, okay, so you're really not a mason, right?"

Ohh snap no room to stand on better hit that escape button no one will know.

Also don't hunt for scum by who they're making out with in thread (glowball) because MASONSZ.

P.S. Glowball.

Oh, indeed it was Gandalf, my bad.

That doesn't make a difference, though.

Yeah, I did skim a little through the RAGECAPS.

Different people don't change things and I'm not reading the thread yesssssssss.

Why is that a town-tell?

Ohh man I forgot about this.

If Crazy is scum I'd put the fat stack of CASH MONEY on Socio AND Dram being town. And, duh, Fate is town.

Much like the earlier THREE YEARS Gate this is weeeeeeeasely.

I did not realize I was joining the cult of RAGECAPS when I joined this game.

Katsuki, why are voting me? SpyreX and Fate have provided different reasons for why I am scum, and I want to know which one you are sheeping.

Note he doesn't even argue it just says we have different reasons. Note that. At least we have a new name and its been like 3 posts without glowball

Is there a reason that you're acting like a moron on purpose?

Serious question.

Katsuki, is there one good reason for why you are treating this game as a joke?

Are you acting like an idiot so that you end up totally off of everyone's radar?

This is to Reck specifically but everyone can answer in their hearts (and with votes):

Is Kat "playing like a moron"?

Cause I'm not seeing it. I'm not sold one way or the other but good lord even me with my penchant for the tiny exaggeration looks at this and goes whaaaa.

Because this really boils down to "You didn't say which one of the two people voting me you're sheeping OMGMOMGOM"

Lets end on a good note though because this really ties it all together:

So you don't have a problem with the way Katsuki is posting? Should he be allowed to wagon with no reasoning and refuse to answer questions because he's playing some stupid game?

I don't get your tunneling on me, either, since I don't think your reasons for suspecting me to begin with were all that spectacular.

You didn't like my first post because I shot down the idea of the "waiting game." Except:

-You agreed that you didn't want to play the "waiting game."
-You have not explained why the scum have any incentive to shoot anybody if we just do nothing. I mean, the deadline doesn't force them to shoot, right?
-You have not explained how my post has any scum motivation. You just basically said, "I disagree with Crazy, therefore he is scum."

I have a conflicting read on you right now because apart from this, you read town because you defended dram after his "scumslip." Dramonic is my only definite town read at this moment... he was prob-town for even suggesting the idea of not lynching (trying to break the setup = town).

Then Glowball kind of piggy-backed that, but then changed his mind after my one post, which still seems fishy. Though I admit my accusations of "fishing" were probably just me imagining things that weren't there. The way he questioned Gandalf about his not-mason claim was still VERY BAD, but even if glowball was scum, it was probably only out of negligence and not intentional fishing.

Waiting game emos? Check.
Kat's a moron you guys? Check.
glowball? Check.

Annndddddd:

Mentions of Reck who sure has hell mentioned Crazy once or twice or almost as many times as Crazy has mentioned glowball?......
.....

Hrm. FANCY THAT.

TLDR:

This is the extent of everything Crazy has done:
glowball
glowball
glowball
Dram is scum or not scum based on moonbeams
glowball
glowball
Kat is SUCH A MORON YOU GUYS
glowball

If there isn't some kind of secret Crazy - Reck - Glowball love affair welp.

[SpyreX]

THAT TOOK A LOT OF WORK

IT MEANS SERIOUS BUSINESS

[SpyreX]

I thought I was confirmed scum before though KEEP IT STRAIGHT.

The real question is why would town be fascinated with glowball. Good lord really watch that progression from throw down a bus, ohh shit backpedal, ohh yea he's maybe scum but not for any reasons why.

NORMALLY that's the kind of BS that would be masons or scum since they're pretty much the same thing but that vote in this setup? Hoss no

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Never have truest of stories

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I'm voting crazy with you aren't I?

AHA BUSTED

....

Vote: Crazy

You've won this round

[SpyreX]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[SpyreX]

Kat isn't scum though yeeeaaaa scum goes BOOOM

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.....

What.

[SpyreX]

So you two decided to make out with glowball for lolz. Nice.

Assuming not pants on head:

Gut, Fate, Katsuki, SocioPath

This is a shooting gallery. At LEAST 3 here.

Of course this also means we need to move fast AND I'm out for the night real soon.

Unvote, Vote: SocioPath

I'll check in before I leave.

[SpyreX]

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/CMv5Nqnt443xS

We'll go ahead and let everyone see and try to figure out what you're talking about.

I was gone two days and two lynches AND it was Elli as the final lynch instead of the shot?

You guys did good work.

I'm reaaaly interested in the mason QT.

[SpyreX]

I shed a tear. I'll admit when I saw the town I was a little worried. But you guys did truly a magnificent job.

Nothin but props for my homies.

my point exactly, they weren't hindered by time zones they were just afraid of doing or saying something scummy in thread so they bitched their way to a win. Also, they thought they would be super awesome to lynch the last mason- it was like some prize for them only caring about their own agenda.

Seriously. What are you talking about. What did we "bitch" about to get a win?

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I'm not sure where you got your wires crossed with this but its not gloating as much as a winning team giving themselves high fives in the locker room.

I will, 100% guarantee, no one else will see anything even remotely offensive in that QT. I honestly don't get it.

And, like I said then, there's a huge difference between being a scared little baby (see my getting crazy lynched) and keeping your cards close. There was absolutely NO reason to say anything for huge chunks of time there. I'm not sure what you think was actually goin on.

Elli hope you're safe in the hurricane looked like a bastard of one

[SpyreX]

I think the setup is balanced in the sense its winnable but - its really, really swingy. I'd love to see data on this later.

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I think part of this setup that intrigues me is, ultimately, how much weight is on the VT's.

A group of hard and fast VT's that can start making reads and holding to them hard enough that they draw mason-shots early could be catastrophic for scum.

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Yea I think the shot limit would hurt more than help.

Good lord you better be trolling because I seriously have no idea what "disrespect" you're talking about and I'm going to lose my mind

[SpyreX]

I was still thinking about this and part of me thinks the answer lies in the best/worst thing ever:

The masons need to play like scum. Get in fake fights. Forge fake connections. Bus the HELL out of a buddy D1 if he's going down. Do anything to convince scum that other shots are good because scum are the ones salivating over VCA's this setup.

Then, the best - try to arrange quickhammers at that point of no return.