Open 332: Tainted Love - Over!

[glowball]

Alright, how are we doing this? Mass lover claims? Seems best since that way we will know what to expect after any lynch.

[glowball]

Okay once everyone weighs in we can start. There really is no reason not to mass lover claim, it puts everyone's motivations on the table and none of us will be surprised by the "suicides"

[glowball]

of who?

[glowball]

I need names. Not revealing heads is very rarely pro-town. If you have an account here you should reveal it.

[glowball]

Not revealing heads means you are trying to hide meta, and is a generally frowned upon act. Engaging in any act that is generally frowned upon causes people to focus all of their attention on YOU and why you won't do something instead of scumhunting and it could wind up getting you policy lynched. If you are policy lynched and you flip town, then we mislynched and wasted a lynch on you because you chose to do something against the general playstyle with no regards to the feeling of the rest of your team.

[glowball]

It's just about priorities and what is more important. Should you keep secrets and hinder the town or you should just reveal the head and let us move on? Although their are hydras that refuse, but that is why some people hate hydras and do not allow them in games.

[glowball]

The obscure scummer is darkdude. The other head has no previous accounts.

Now tell me why not revealing would be anti-town.

OH AND SORRY FOR THE TRIPLE POST.

but thank you for cooperating. See this does make a difference, your join date is 2008 which means you have a fair amount of mafia experience and now that I know that you won't be able to hide behind a lack of knowledge as some people try to do when they create alts, and things like that.

[glowball]

I'm down for a loverclaim.
Have some more IIoA:
We can lose on Day 2.
I thought up some more stuff but forgot it >.<
VOTE: glowball
Serious vote. Not revealing heads is not scummy.

it is ANTI TOWN(not scummy) if it results in a policy lynch that is a mislynch and distracts town from actually scumhunting. You were the one who proposed the policy lynch in the sign up thread.

[glowball]

also considering your reasoning, I am taking that as a serious vote? not rvs?

[glowball]

Sorry, I read "on a serious note" I thought that was just on the topic. Thanks

[glowball]

Okay then SleepKrew, you are voting me because of my stance on not revealing heads? ScrewtheTells revealed himself, I didn't vote him for it. How exactly am I scum?

[glowball]

A policy lynch on an alt/secret hydra is stupid and advocating it is scummy.

so you are scummy.

[glowball]

Glowball, did you only think to ask me to reveal after I posted

Hi everyone. Just to let you know, this is a hydra account.

?

Yes and no, you reminded me that I saw it in the sign up thread.

[glowball]

You didn't answer my questions. You are calling me scum because of my game theories? You do realize I never lynched ScrewtheTells or even called him scum. I just told him why it is anti-town.

[glowball]

because I don't talk about that in the sign up thread. It is for sign ups. I don't know why people chat so much in there, it's annoying to see the alerts when I look at my posts.

[glowball]

Okay then SleepKrew, you are voting me because of my stance on not revealing heads? ScrewtheTells revealed himself, I didn't vote him for it. How exactly am I scum?

These questions.

And NO HIS ACTIONS ARE NOT ANTI TOWN. HE REVEALED HIS HEADS.

[glowball]

OKay so we are waiting on Kondi and Princess?

[glowball]

probably because I am at L-3 because of your ridiculousness. I never even attacked ScrewtheTells. You are just going for an easy shot, why would that be enough to lynch a person SleepyKrew? You never answer any of my questions maybe a vote will help speed up your answers

VOTE: SleepyKrew

[glowball]

Okay then SleepKrew, you are voting me because of my stance on not revealing heads? ScrewtheTells revealed himself, I didn't vote him for it. How exactly am I scum?

These questions.

And NO HIS ACTIONS ARE NOT ANTI TOWN. HE REVEALED HIS HEADS.

THESE QUESTIONS STILL HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED.

Also, if that was the reason behind my vote it would have come a lot sooner. Thanks for trying that though.

[glowball]

Also, my LOVAH is ScrewtheTells

[glowball]

So why

are

you voting me?

Because you are reaching and trying to frame me as scum for my game theory. You were looking for an easy vote and your reasoning was just bad.

[glowball]

Okay then SleepKrew, you are voting me because of my stance on not revealing heads? ScrewtheTells revealed himself, I didn't vote him for it. How exactly am I scum?

These questions.

And NO HIS ACTIONS ARE NOT ANTI TOWN. HE REVEALED HIS HEADS.

THESE QUESTIONS STILL HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED.

Also, if that was the reason behind my vote it would have come a lot sooner. Thanks for trying that though.

Confirming tcl.

Coming Dear ~

glowball, YES I ANSWERED THE FUCKING QUESTIONS BUT ILL DO IT AGAIN
1. Yeah
2. Well duh

Those aren't adequate answers.

The questions were:

So you are voting me because of my stance on head claiming?
Your answer: YEAH

ALright that one is adequate....

The second question was
How exactly am I scum?

Your answer: Well duh

Not adequate

[glowball]

tclawren, you are compromised you are partners with someone who has yet to demonstrated adequate scumhunting abilities or just simply the ability to answer questions. My rhetoric isn't harsh btw.

ScrewtheTells is a 5

[glowball]

hahahahahaha tclawren if by chance you don't think your partner is scum talk some sense into him. I NEVER condemn him as the lynch day 1, in fact he already claimed by the time I explained the whole thing.

[glowball]

The exact quotes in order

I need names. Not revealing heads is

very rarely

pro-town

. If you have an account here you should reveal it.

notice how I said it isn't PRO TOWN, that that is makes you scum

The obscure scummer is darkdude. The other head has no previous accounts.

Now tell me why not revealing would be anti-town.

He asked my stance so I explained it to him, I didn't vote him and I didn't make him a target

Not revealing heads means you are trying to hide meta, and is a generally frowned upon act. Engaging in any act that is generally frowned upon causes people to focus all of their attention on YOU and why you won't do something instead of scumhunting and it could wind up getting you policy lynched. If you are policy lynched and you flip town, then we mislynched and wasted a lynch on you because you chose to do something against the general playstyle with no regards to the feeling of the rest of your team.

[glowball]

after: PRO TOWN,
it should say NOT that is makes you scum

[glowball]

I didn't think he would, since he considers himself obscure but if he had I would have engaged in RQS to figure out his experience because as I pointed out that is one of my main reasons for head disclosure.

He didn't reveal in the QT and if he had I wouldn't have asked at all. If you mean had he reveal in the QT after I asked? Um, I probably wouldn't have noticed because I am really bad at checking that.

[glowball]

Because you're busy checking the scumQT instead?

this is stretching. you vote me for my stance on head claiming which was bad and are now putting feeler posts out there? I cannot be surprised because this kind of behavior is normal from you.

[glowball]

TELLS YOU NEVER POST IN THE QUICKTOPIC! By never, I mean today also there are some questions that you need to answer tclawren asked them

[glowball]

This is CCG.

Yeah, I do not see the point of secret day talk for the moment.

Oh yeah the question: I find glowball to be 33% likely to be mafia, i.e. nothing observed has changed the prior yet.

And I just checked with Money - we are in agreement on this.

Glowball, your answer of 5/10 means that you think we are 50% likely to be scum, or that there's no evidence either way?

On a scale of 1-10 you are a 5, which is what I said. 5- meaning in the middle, I wanted to say 6 because you rub me the wrong way. Especially with that most recent comment. Day talk is all we have and it is a mechanic of this game, I don't really see you trying to work with me.

Also, I just realized something.

SleepyKrew, ScrewtheTells is my lover which I knew when I questioned him because DUH we found out before game. So you are voting me because you think I was going to policy lynch my partner for not head claiming. IF HE DIES I DIE... how is that a good move for me as scum?

[glowball]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. WHY WOULD I START A POLICY LYNCH ON MY LOVER? SIMPLE QUESTION. ANSWER IT. IT'S NOT WIFOM IS BASIC GAME STRATEGY. WHY WOULD I SUGGEST A POLICY LYNCH KNOWING IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN? WHAT DO I GAIN FROM THAT AS SCUM?

[glowball]

okay well now I am being coached. I swear all of my games. EVERY SINGLE ONE. I am the focus, I am the one people thinks is scum. You know how little sense that makes. Hindsight is 20/20 so let's just get this over with.

[glowball]

Yeah I don't know why you are worried, but I am pretty okay with being lynched because I don't really want to talk to my partner and he definitely could be scum one way or the other works for me

[glowball]

he thinks someone told me to bring up the fact that we are partners as a defense. You know what coaching is. This is EXACTLY why people hate hydras. If this is the new head ASK THE OLD ONE, if you are the old one you shouldn't be asking obvious questions.

[glowball]

Sorry, I am upset now and taking my anger out unjustly . Constantly being called scummy for stupid reasons upsets me, I won't replace out because I like staying and rubbing it in people's faces after I flip. Point is: Screw you rub me the wrong way, so do tclawren and SleepyKrew but both of them cannot be scum and SleepyKrew has a rep for being less than bright.

It wasn't on the wiki because it's a regular term used in everyday life- that is how obvious it is.

[glowball]

BECAUSE THEN YOU COULD SAY "I CANT BE SCUM BECAUSE I SUPPORTED A PL OF MY LOVER (EVEN THOUGH I KNEW IT WOULDNT HAPPEN)!"
UNVOTE:
VOTE: tcl
AM I CONFTOWN NOW?

hahaha I just caught the last bit of this. Is this supposed to be mocking me? IT would be accurate IF I actually voted my partner, but I didn't and didn't plan on doing so.

[glowball]

Cop guilty on glowball.

hahhahahahahahahaha, we've NEVER heard this lame joke before. Hey funny guy does that mean when I flip town that they can lynch you? Want to 1 v 1 me?

[glowball]

No, because there's still a small chance that you're town.

Ha. Scared. Scum. Caught.

[glowball]

That's not what you said though. You said you didn't want to because there is still a chance that I could be town. You are so confident that you are pushing my lynch passionately, but when met with a challenge you concede the possibility that I am town.

[glowball]

1v1 is definitely a possibility and you still want me lynched for the weakest reason I have ever heard. Now it just seems like you are scared and distancing with this whole "I cannot be 100% sure" that much is a given but you are obviously as sure as any player can be with the attitude and tunnel vision you seem to have.

[glowball]

so that is a serious vote? Okay, so if she were to be lynched purely on those grounds you'd be okay with that?

[glowball]

Adequate. Town points for bvoigt.

[glowball]

hey can you ISO me and tell me exactly why my reactions scream caught scum rather than pissed off town?

[glowball]

No what I am saying is 1v1 still works because to get rid of the scum you have to get rid of their partner. SleepyKrew is as sure as he can be that I am scum. I'd love to 1v1 him because I am pretty confident that one of that group is scum, and 1 of my group could also be scum. You can lynch me, and if I am not scum (even if my partner is) you lynch SleepyKrew tomorrow. IT is early enough in the the game for it to work.

[glowball]

If we were going to do it, now would be the time. That is why it was said. Not to mention, it doesn't even matter if we go through with it or not Sleepy OBVIOUSLY doesn't stand behind his vote strong enough. HE himself said there is a chance I could be town, adequately distancing himself but still voting me. He's a contradiction. Princess, yes, scummy still not worried I mean I'll hammer it but SleepyKrew should go.

[glowball]

Hey glow if you think STT is scum you should vote yourself.
GW, I'd like to know what made drunkyou less suspicious.

He rubs me the wrong way, YOU however are definitely scum and if by some miracle you aren't scum you deserve death for you horrible scum hunting. You started a wagon based on nothing and now you are claiming it's my reactions.

[glowball]

you aren't playing a great game. I don't need to be pro town. I am town, that's it. I'll play however I feel.

[glowball]

hahahahahahaha. SleepyKrew you live right up to expectation.

Hey princesskdw, I see you reading the thread, there better be a post soon.

[glowball]

Also, I am not being scummy. You just think everything I do is scummy.

[glowball]

*facepalm*

I love your vote, but I know he is going to take this and run with it.

[glowball]

well those two things do not go together. and by that I mean that SleepyKrew/Tclawren cannot be scum WITH Princesskdw/Bvoigt

Bvoigt is probtown
the rest are suspect.

as much as SleepyKrew is bothering me. I really think he's just arrogant and not very good at scumhunting, and I like to place my vote on scum

UNVOTE:

I need to think about this.

My town reads:
bvoigt
ghostwriter

suspects:
tclawren
princess
SleepyKrew

**Special Notices on SCrewtheTells and Kondi. Kondi came in all they said was that they are so and so's lover with nothing else about the game and I know they've been in the forum since and chose not to post.

Considering that last bit, I wouldn't mind being the lynch choice for the day although I think that there are better options considering who will help us and who won't.

That being said

VOTE: Kondi


TO ALL: I also want people to weight in with their reads and the feud between myself and SleepyKrew this game needs activity

[glowball]

I do not know what kondi perfers, sometimes flaking isn't role specific but I definitely don't like inactive players and hopefully now that his name has been mentioned he will show up and participate.

[glowball]

I knew you would take that and run with it.

[glowball]

No, there are 4 lover pairs

2 of those pairs have mafia. There are only 2 mafia goons.

If each lover pair had mafia we'd never be able to win.

[glowball]

Hence why I unvoted. CALM DOWN. You aren't voting Princess so you obviously don't have that much of a problem with it. You can only lynch one pair a day.

[glowball]

I love your loaded questions. I've listed my suspects any of those are suitable lynches, hell I am kind of leaning towards being lynched myself I just would like a lot more activity out of this game and if I am dead I really think activity will take an even worse turn.

[glowball]

AtE? Also translates as human honesty. Not every response is calculated and emotionless, but I want you to lynch me because you are horrible at this game. People told me, and I thought NO I don't want to hate on him because of rumors but you are just incorrigible and you don't even care that is the worse part.

[glowball]

Hahahahahahaha. I was scum in hats. I wasn't bad at scumhunting like you are right now. I am actually pretty good as scumhunting and I don't make shit cases.

[glowball]

Oh goodness. I am sorry, you are 15. Enough said, let's move on...

[glowball]

You are 15, the conversation is done. You are bad at scumhunting, Hats was one game and it was my hydra that ruined the game realistically. The point is that you are young and your opinions don't matter because instead of owning up to your faults you deflect. I know where I need to improve and I fix it, that's a part of growing up. Hopefully you will get there, until then go eat a lunchable or something.

[glowball]

haha nice. Notice the last bit AFTER your opinions don't matter.... BECAUSE INSTEAD OF OWNING UP TO YOUR FAULTS YOU DEFLECT. it's common in young people, if you are different then you deserve my apologies but SLeepyKrew not so much.

[glowball]

Those are just words, he isn't owning up to it. Owning up would be taking what I AND WHAT OTHER PLAYERS HAVE SAID and really looking at his case to see if it hold merit to my scumminess. Adults show with their actions, but like I said you are children and engaging in this conversation further is useless because now it's just fighting with me because I said your age hinders your ability to own up to faults. At least Kondi's finally active.

[glowball]

I DID, I EVEN UNVOTED. Let's follow along people...

[glowball]

You know what, since it seems like all of you support SleepyKrew's personal brand of insults and when I respond I am the bad guy I am going to leave. I don't need the extra childish stress. Thanks though.