Open 348 - JK9 Game over (Who won?)

[smallpeoples343]

VOTE: apple.singer Yay for RVS!

[smallpeoples343]

Hey guys. I haven't had access for 2 days. Re-read thread and questions below.

I came up with a few questions to help people figure out when this game will be most active and find out a little more about each other:
1. A/s/l- No clue what this means...
2. Time zone- US eastern
3. Any favorite hobbies- Reading webcomics, such as XKCD and Questionable Content
4. Occupation- Student
5. One random fact about yourself- I have no life.

;Phone Posting;
To be more exact ; Singapore.
So when it's night here, morning there. Vice versa.
But I will post as often as I can

Maybe each of us present a RQS?

Would you claim when you are on L-1/L-2? Why & why not?

I would resort to claiming when I find it tough to talk out of the situation. :/
I'm bad at explaining self sometimes

Maybe at L-1. You're about to be hammered.

Hmm L-2 at RVS is kind of suspicious, and also nobody's unvoted...I think that's dangerous.

As to the RQS, I would not claim unless someone expressed that they wanted to hammer (maybe I'd claim earlier if I was a PR, but a lot of bandwagons die near/at L-1 and I probably wouldn't want to expose myself if it wasn't necessary).

Question 2: How many games have you played before?
I've played 1 complete on MS, am in the middle of another on MS, have finished 2 on another site, and am in one on that site.

For Question 2: I don't even know...

[smallpeoples343]

UNVOTE: apple_singer Don't want a quicklynch.

[smallpeoples343]

Hmm... I just realized that there were random facts on the top of the votecounts.
For now, I'm gonna go with duckhunter. He's been wagonning a lot.

VOTE: duckhunter4242

[smallpeoples343]

No they don't. I was just saying that I just realized that there were there.

[smallpeoples343]

Well consider this a RVS vote that was decided by you trying to get reads. That made absolutely no sense, but I don't care.

[smallpeoples343]

Then cross out the RVS from that post and continue on.

[smallpeoples343]

What about Dsquared? I know him personally, can I prod him through Gmail chat?

(All I would say was that he was prodded in JK9)

[smallpeoples343]

I don't think he checks MafiaScum. I was just asking if I could remind him to.

[smallpeoples343]

There you go. Feel free to use that.

Anyways, I think that's what happened with apple_singer.

[smallpeoples343]

Yes. Pretty much sums it up.

[smallpeoples343]

Welcome Pine!

In other news, UNVOTE: duckhunter since that's going no where. I think that we need activity. I support a lynch on kondi.

VOTE: kondi

[smallpeoples343]

Considering the low activity that we've been having and the fact that lynches give us more info than no-lynches, I think we need to lynch someone.

[smallpeoples343]

I believe that doing a no-lynch provides mafia with a free kill.

[smallpeoples343]

The mafia should never get a free kill. (Except possibly in MILO)

[smallpeoples343]

Replace plz. Hmm... maybe scum was inactive?

[smallpeoples343]

apple_singer

[smallpeoples343]

Thinking about not just who seems scummy, but the whole concept of lynching, if we have 8 players and we lynch today, the mafia will likely kill 1, totaling 6. If the lynched was town, we're at Milo.
If we didn't lynch, we could either get a total of 7 or if the mafia don't kill again, we still have 8. If we had 7, we could proceed to move on to either LYLO or MILO. I think getting the chance to basically choose would be better.

Vote: No Lynch

Considering the activity, I think that we're going to go to No Lynch anyways.

[smallpeoples343]

Sure, I don't see any reason to rush.

[smallpeoples343]

Not liking duckhunter's sudden vote on Skenvoy...

Vote: duckhunter

[smallpeoples343]

FoS: duckhunter

When voting, please give more reason than "he is scummy". That's about the worst argument you can make; it's not an argument at all!
Especially when placing someone at L-1, please give more reason. I will maintain this FoS until you provide a reason for voting.

Anytime when an inactive player comes out of nowhere and votes/attacks someone is a tad suspicious.

Though Jon's play was terribly scummy, I'm finding Skenvoy's tone, if not so much his content, to be rather town-like.

As for Duckhunter, there are seven people in this game that are not Duckhunter, and six of them posted after Duckhunter's vote with some variation of not liking his vote/suspicion. Everyone who posted found him scummy, thus, Duckhunter is almost certainly town.

kondi2424 (5) - apple_singer, duckhunter4242, Pine, smallpeoples343, [L] (Lynch)

I'm not going to say that Kondi didn't deserve to be lynched, and that a townie would have been unreasonable to vote for Kondi, but I am going to say that the chance that there are no scum on his lynch is virtually nothing.

Of them, I find [L] to be the scummiest by far, thanks to a re-read. For the following:

@kondi: What were your reasons for voting AS? Coming out saying it was a pressure vote as an explanation to Mattman's challenge was very weak, considering your vote was the second one. Second vote holds no weight, and applies no pressure, especially after you let the air out of the balloon by saying that was what it was. You just flew up 50pts.

This is all fine, except for that last sentence. '50 points' means nothing, and while I realize this kind of thing probably isn't in the wiki as a bona fide scum tell, I believe it can be an indication that the speaker is scum.

It's meaningless fluff, obviously, but why is it there? Why would a townie do that? Flavor, perhaps? Why would a scum do it? To give the illusion that they're actually scumhunting by quantifying scumminess. To give the impression that the speaker has some list drawn up and Kondi had risen on it? Nonsense. Townies neither need nor want such a list. If they think someone is the scummiest person in the game, they vote for them. Period. My point being, this looks like scum over explaining to me.

At this stage of the game, if a person reaches L-1 [one vote away from lynch, aka Lynch minus 1] - it is very scummy, and evaluation of who is on the wagon is necessary. It is also necessary for the person to claim, because if a dolt signs on and hammers, we will be at a loss for information. @kondi - this is why it is scummy.

Read that. Seriously, read it. I'll wait.

Got it? Sounds good doesn't it? Then what the hell happened later that same day....

[L] declared her intention to hammer Kondi, and

actually

hammered him

14 hours later

. Lulz? Didn't ask for a claim, didn't wait for him to respond. Didn't even give him 24 hours.

Regarding the hammer, I went from wanting to wait and hear what his motivations were - to being upset that he was flaking. The idea that he could be scum and not even paying attention to the game was upsetting. So then I hammered.

And then I felt stupider than heck when he didn’t flip scum like I expected.

Poppycock.

Who cares what his motivations were? How about asking to see if you're about to hammer the Jailkeeper? Recklessness, heck even bloodthirstiness, is a townie tell, but this is ridiculous, and considering it came from someone talking about the virtues of making sure to get lots of information before lynching AND the virtues of the lynchee claiming it's blatant hypocrisy.

Is it annoying that Kondi was site flaking? You betcha. Does that make it okay to play games with the town Tracker, the town Jailkeeper, and the town's ability to discuss a L-1 wagon? Not even a little bit.

Also, what's with that apology? I, as town, have mislynched plenty of townies in my day. There is not a single one of them I regret or that I felt stupid for lynching. Why would a townie kick themselves like that for getting a vote wrong? They wouldn't. Why would a scum do it? To apologize vicariously to the town.

And if you need a little extra push to want to vote for her, consider:

I believe that doing a no-lynch provides mafia with a free kill.

Of course no lynch does this.

vote: No Lynch

I agree. We can't give scum an advantage.

vote: no lynch

uh.. yeah.

Screw the wagon observation. Let's string this one up.

vote: L

... wow.

Two cases (in my mind)

1) [L] suffers from MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder)
2) UNVOTE: duckhunter, VOTE: [L]

[smallpeoples343]

Hello,

I've been glancing at this thread from time to time. I get the point on Pom, but I don't think it's that effective.

[smallpeoples343]

I meant that I can see the argument from both sides. Pom's side included. (Yes, of course that was subtle. I had NO CLUE until I read the parenthesis)

[smallpeoples343]

*hopes for good replacement*

Hmm... kinda agree with Pom. Addressing a predecessor's scumminess is like answering a person's question. If not done, it just increases suspicion on the player.

[smallpeoples343]

It's a little hard to post good content on a dying game. Most of my suspicions have not really posted/been replaced/there. My few attempts at activity just kinda bombed, so I just left pretty much. Lurking a little due to not much to discuss other than Pine going on Pom...

[smallpeoples343]

My vote on [L] was based on Post #172
My vote on duckhunter was based on the fact that coming out of nowhere, he just votes for Skenvoy. #161