Open 357: Scumhunter's Speed 8P

[Juls]

/confirm

[Juls]

Vote Whiskers

[Juls]

Why all the buddying to me whiskers?

[Juls]

kondi is town. Whiskers is scum. Commence lynching. We must lynch 2 scum no matter how you slice it so d1 is all a red herring unless I am missing something.

[Juls]

I already did.

[Juls]

Oh I missed the start post but ok, to be sure

vote whiskers

[Juls]

I'm serious, everyone do the list. I have a plan.

I know your plan. It's why you are town. On my phone now, will do list tonight.

[Juls]

No if we hit town scum have to sac a scum. It's the same d2 no matter what .

[Juls]

Still 2 scum

[Juls]

It's opposite but you know all this already scum.

[Juls]

When I say it's a red herring I mean it is nothing that changes our mission. We must lunch exactly 2 scum to win. The end.

[Juls]

Wtf gnr?

We have history.

[Juls]

First my list:
kondi2424
Glass
zMuffinMan
projectmatt
Trevor
Guy_Named_Riggs
Whiskers

Second:
Whiskers my case so far on you is that you voted muffin then after I voted for you, you basically apologized for voting and unvoted. I think you realized you were about to get a lot of attention and rethought it. Then, you questioned matt for not talking about me in his post while you gave me a pass. I didn't like the buddying.

For 2.25 pages I think that's pretty strong.

[Juls]

Quick thoughts: Trevor has a lack of contribution but his posts give me a vibe coming from town. Specifically Post #48. I also have the same vibes from Muffin. I will keep secret my read on Kondi until I see the results of his plan. Don't understand town read on Juls.

Because I am always town even when I'm not.

[Juls]

I was thinking similarly pregame to what kondi was thinking with the list. It's not a bout liking people as much as it is who will be a bigger liability to town (and who could still be scum). Whiskers has already been scummy so she would be hard to resist lynching later when it truly is mylo. We get rid of weakness while still scum hunting. Make sense? Do you not think scum is going to get rid of their weakest player?

Unvote

We can extend D1 a little longer just for talking sake.

[Juls]

I could definitely go for a trevor lynch.

[Juls]

Wow short deadlines. Remember this is a plurality so get your votes where they need to be.

Vote: Trevor

[Juls]

No that's a lynch and a very scummy hammer.

[Juls]

Why do you care if someone hammers?

[Juls]

His wording looked like a fake attempt at being a cautious townie. Again, why so you care if he is hammered Matt?

[Juls]

Whiskers, I am looking for scum, why do you think I care? I want to know his motivations. Why are you defending him?

I still want trevor dead.

[Juls]

Reads change. Right now I would say I am slightly leaning town on you. You do realize that town is an

uninformed

majority right? I can change my mind.

[Juls]

Your reaction right now (aggression) is reading town to me. I think you are stretching the truth a bit however on how hard I was pushing your lynch considering it was 3 pages deep. Yes you were the scummiest during those wee hours of the day but trevor has become king and I am now feeling strongly that trevor or Matt is scum. I would appreciate if you would stop defending him however and let him answer for himself. Still waiting Matt...

[Juls]

Oh no... Please dont think I am scum! /rolls eyes.

Yes hammer.

[Juls]

kondi is absolutely town. Not to be touched tomorrow if she survives the night.

[Juls]

You know what, I seriously want to lynch matt now. Completely ignoring me!

Unvote, Vote Project Matt

[Juls]

Whiskers, stop taking things so personally.

[Juls]

Why do you care if someone hammers?

His wording looked like a fake attempt at being a cautious townie. Again, why so you care if he is hammered Matt?

Matt, I did think you were scum who was feigning concern about lynching someone. There is no claim to wait for so it came off as fake. And I did miss your response to me, for that I apologize.

However, Whiskers, I know you are rather new and all but defending someone who you don't know is town is very problematic.
1) You could be scum buddying up to someone who is town in order to appear town to that person (who you would conveniently leave alive for tomorrow)
or
2) You could be town giving scum a free pass to not answer a question, or providing them with an answer they may not came up with otherwise.

Either way it stinks. Unless PM is confirmed town you absolutely do not defend him and I didn't see the mod come out and say that did you?

And when did I say I didn't want a quickhammer? I am fine with people hammering and have said as much. My problem with Matt was that I thought it was a hammer and that he was coming in here acting all super-concerned townie who was going to say "oops, I didn't know I was the hammer...sorry guys". But even when it wasn't a hammer, the "super-concerned townie" play still seemed off. And to answer your previous question about me paying attention. I knew it was 4 votes but for some reason I was thinking it was 4 to lynch.

Also, my reasons for my trevor scum read are simple...where has he hunted for scum? Quote one post. If you can do that I will remove my vote from him. Also, someone pointed it out but I didn't like the way he POE'd Muffin into a town read on page 4.

@muffin, Matt ignoring me (which I guess he didn't and I missed his post) and his feigning concern over hammering matt are the two things that bothered me. My vote was to make him answer me. I still prefer a trevor lynch.

Unvote, Vote: Trevor

(with apologies to matt who did answer my question)

[Juls]

Kondi is really starting to scare me now that I said that. I'm very confused right now.

[Juls]

I could go for a glass lynch

[Juls]

unvote

[Juls]

I know I have

stupid

things to respond to but I am really not going to do it tonight. This game is wearing on my nerves really quickly and I don't really care who is lynched anymore.

[Juls]

It really doesn't matter. We have to lynch correctly tomorrow. It is all that matters.

[Juls]

I seriously think this setup is so scum sided. It is such a long shot for town to win. Has it been run before?

Almost half of you are scum and we only get 1 mislynch. I am feeling a strong gut read on glass. I know, pretty weak but something is off. I'm a bit confused on Trevor now.

vote: glass

[Juls]

Yep, happy with my vote.

[Juls]

Too lazy and on my iPad. Have other more important stuff do address before you, but tell me glass, how is it that you have parked your vote on Trevor since page 3? Its a little thing scum do called tunneling. I am interested in your full list of reads. 5 minutes should be enough. Starting now. Go!

[Juls]

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[Juls]

I tried squinting real hard but didn't see your list of reads. I'm off to bed. I hope you a dead by the time I wake up. Otherwise town, just lynch me. I am willing to bet my position in the game on glass being scum.

[Juls]

Scum are also sarcastic.

[Juls]

Here is my "case" on Glass (again, I know that it is mostly a feeling of being 'off' so it's hard to verbalize but I will try):
Starting with post 59. He Comes off as buddying to me. Also, it appears at this point he thinks I am town. I am listed in his "favorites" on his list in Post 45 and this is also the point where he decides trevor is scum (on page 3). Further evidence he thinks I am town is in the same post he votes trevor where he says:

Just getting a big town gutread from her right now.

He then goes on a very tunneling string of posts focusing only on trevor for not RVSing. Every single post revolves around trevor. EVERY SINGLE ONE up until yesterday. Then comes Post 186 where he jumped on my radar. He buddied me again at the same time either buddying to kondi or trying to ensure his scum buddy didn't get the lynch tomorrow. I am not sure which yet. You can kinda see my pause in Post 187. Again, in his post (yesterday) he seemed to be still agreeing with me and thinking I am town.

Suddenly, last night, I am scum because I am suspicious of him. Again, tunneling on Trevor but now saying I am bussing him. So I went from a "big town gutread" to scum. He has tunneled on trevor since he came out of the gate and not said ANYTHING about anyone else all game.

[Juls]

Here's where I sit:
Glass - scum.

Whiskers - probably town. He thinks the game should revolve around him and we should all stop what we are doing to placate him which is annoying and stupid but it is what it is. He did the exact same thing in his newbie game I modded of his. He was town.

zMuffinMan - A little conflicted here. I can't really get a read yet.

Guy_Named_Riggs - I'm annoyed that he has been V/LA this whole day and he has posted in other games but not here. Last game we played together he was scum and lurked. I do believe his V/LA is legitiimate and I also think he is probably an easy read, but him being gone does not give us that luxury. He is either hurting town or scum.

kondi2424 - I felt he was town initially but now I have concern given that Glass felt the need to point out when I said kondi was town. But then again, so did kondi (if only to change a "she" to a "he" but it seems real convenient.

projectmatt - I will admit I may have been wrong about him. I think he is town at this point.

Trevor - A little confused here. I am not ready to call him town but I don't think I want to lynch him anymore.

[Juls]

19 hours until deadline. There is no excuse for anyone to not be voting.

[Juls]

/anxiously awaits zMuffinMan's thoughts on 247

[Juls]

Then work your magic Glass, get me lynched. You die tomorrow. If you are town we deserve to lose.

[Juls]

Kondi, why not glass?

[Juls]

mod: please force replace gnr and extend deadline. Going vla for a week in a game with quick deadlines is unacceptable

@kondi do you think I am town?

[Juls]

Then I ask that you trust me and vote glass. If gnr is town we practically need 100% of town in agreement

[Juls]

I'm still trying to decide if scum would even bother bussing on day 1 or if they would be on the counter wagon to save their buddy. As it stands right now, one scum can afford to bus but not two.

Pedit: I'm going to assume you are scum given the reasoning above if you don't switch. Just an FYI.

[Juls]

I'm seeing some ties between you two and since you claim to "not care" but are unwilling to switch looks like scum. I seriously think scum will be on the counter. And I think trevor is going to be a town lynch unfortunately.

[Juls]

This setup is so scum sided it isnt even funny.

[Juls]

mod: has this setup been run before? I think it needs work{\b]

[Juls]

EBWOP:

mod: has this setup been run before? I think it needs work

[Juls]

I said it didn't matter much day 1 but it is certainly advantagous to lynch scum instead of letting scum sacrifice for themselves.

[Juls]

I was irritated. I would rather lynch scum than not.

[Juls]

I think glass is scum and I don't see scum heavily bussing like that so that would make Trevor town. Obviously I would need to revisit that if glass were to flip town.

[Juls]

@Juls,

Who do you think is scum if Glass is town?

As I said before, I would need to take a second look at trevor because I didn't like his POE'ing you into town really early on. Also, there is GNR who is non-existent and destroying the game for town. If he is town, we are one man down today and if he is scum he is getting to skate by on lol-vla. There's also you, who I haven't firmly got a read on yet. I think projectmatt and Whiskers are town. I think kondi has a chance to be town if glass is scum (vice versa the other way).

[Juls]

OK I have been doing some research and found the original review thread of this game. Apparently scum do not get kills after N1. We are currently at 8, tomorrow we will be at 6. 4 town, 2 scum. Tomorrow, every single town has to be on the same lynch to win because it will be 4 to lynch which means town is at a big disadvantage tomorrow. But, tomorrow will either end as 3:2, 4:1 and game over if we lynch scum today, or 4:1 with game continuing. This game should see a day 3 even if we mislynch tomorrow is basically my understanding. So we basically have another mislynch after today if I am understanding correctly. That may be a little more balanced than I originally thought. It also means that I was wrong and today IS important. If we lynch scum we only have to get one more and they have no kills. If we don't lynch scum then we have to get 2 more and they have no kills.

Mod: Please check and verify my understanding above

I think the best strategy is for us to start POEing town. After today all the kills are going to be lynches. If we lynch glass and he flips scum then I am likely to be the night kill. If that is the case, pay attention to what people do tomorrow. Watch for scum to fuel a town-on-town suspicion because they only need one dissenter to get a mislynch. My vote isn't moving and deadline is soon.

@Muffin, you need to take your place on a wagon.

[Juls]

That was very stream of consciousness, I apologize. That first paragraph is repetitive.

[Juls]

No I do not realize that. How are you aware of this fact?