Open 347: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Amrun]

Remind me why we're all voting for him already someone?

This is an awkward post and stands out to me the most so far.

VOTE: cross pollination


SleepyKrew is town.


Don't worry about Kondi; he'll flake anyway.


I'm v/la, but I wanted to show up here so I wasn't totally absent early game. I should be mostly back tomorrow evening.

[Amrun]

*eyes Amrun*

No starting quickwagons from you this game. None.

I am here to redeem myself from last time. Let's hope my reads are as good, because I won't be giving them up for love nor money, this time.

[Amrun]

Not seeing what you're seeing as scummy. He's trying to generate content. Some of it is reaching, sure, but it's page 3.

The reason they're saying c_p is town is because he objected to the early policy wagon, like, hey, why is this guy scummy?

I think it was awkward, though, and that scum would never be like "hell yeah we should lynch this guy on page 1 and I won't look totally scummy for pushing this!"

[Amrun]

I don't know his experience level, but I'm aware that he looks a little newbish. I don't think he's townish; I think he leans slightly scummy, but null at best.

It is the WHOLE post, so how does it fit with the rest of itself? What? I don't think it looks natural.

p-edit: Null. NS' alignment will come with time, as it always does.

p-edit a million (forgot to post): C_P, can you tell me your previous mafia experience?

[Amrun]

I don't know his experience level, but I'm aware that he looks a little newbish. I don't think he's townish; I think he leans slightly scummy, but null at best.

Why are you even considering him 'null at best'; it looks like you're approaching this from a scum mind set, like you're trying to feel out the general opinion on him.

For your sake, I'm hoping you were tired or something, because otherwise, this doesn't make sense.

[Amrun]

FB, please rephrase that one post because I still don't follow it.

Ns wagon is crap.

Cross_pollination, if you want to see someone just die, then what was wrong with the early kondi wagon? Why do you want to end the day so early?

[Amrun]

My fucking point was I don't see why you as town would be thinking in terms of him being 'neutral at best', why the fuck would you think that? If you're voting someone who you presumably think is scum it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to think like that. I don't think the people I vote are 'neutral at best' I think their scumbags, I think your vote lacked conviction.

You misunderstand.

I

have a scumread on C_P. I meant that I don't understand anyone having anything more than a null read on him - in other words, I do not at all understand your townread on him.


And NS wagon is crap because not one person voting him is doing it for any valid reason.

[Amrun]

Why are you being so confrontational, Fruit Basket?

Are you not revealing your heads because you decided you were going to be a complete asshole all game and didn't want your real accounts' reputations damaged?

[Amrun]

It's true, cases are anti-town. The best way to scumhunt is if town can come to a consensus through their own reasoning.

a) dumb

b) NS disagreeing with you on failtheory is not at all scummy

[Amrun]

Because you didn't explain, and there are two possible explanations there.

I don't think NS' vote on you is valid, but I don't think it makes NS scummy, either.

[Amrun]

So then why are you so sure ns is scum? I thought that post was supposedly answering that question.

[Amrun]

bvoigt is lurking.

[Amrun]

He posts zero content this game, and shows up only to announce a v/la that would not need to be announced if he had actually posted previously.

I care not that his leave is legitimate.

[Amrun]

well yeah but that =/= lurking. he's posting, just posting nothing of value.

You need to re-examine the definition of the word lurking. Replacing out =/= lurking.

[Amrun]

What, did you mean "lurking how?"

I already answered that. He has zero content. He chooses to announce an unnecessary v/la because if he hadn't, he would have been prodded and possibly unable to answer that prod. If he had been posting content, or posted content along with his v/la, it wouldn't be lurking.

[Amrun]

It's not about the number of times he posts... it's about WHAT HE'S POSTING. Call it active lurking if you like. I don't care.

[Amrun]

Quilford, you don't think extreme newb scum especially would EVER dodge questions? That's a weird blanket generalization.

Ditto Equinox's question to you, too.

[Amrun]

Why are you so quick to use the newb card for cross_pollination but ignore it for hawk?

[Amrun]

Very newbish. Superficially scummy, but not enough to outweigh his newb.

I think his newbishness likewise explains all of his perceived scumminess and is therefore null.

(Which, again, was my point about c_p: handing out a newb pass is not a reason for a town read, but only a null. And yet you use it as a towntell.)

You are treating SH differently than CP and I'd like to know why.

[Amrun]

There are all types of newbies. Especially those coming from other sites often vote now and ask later, used to short deadlines and wagons that do not turn around.

I don't understand what "actions" of c_p make him townish, still.

[Amrun]

I never said that c_p's superficially scummy things made him null, though.

I see c_p's behavior as more likely to come from newb scum than newb town.

[Amrun]

Cautious at first, but quick to vote later. c_p's posts just don't feel genuine. I've said as much before, but I'll say it again.

[Amrun]

Bvoigt loses his lurker badge because he sees exactly what I see.

My issue with the "I wanna see someoene die" comment: if this is a triggerhappy newbie, as the comment suggests, then the cautious posts simply would not exist. But they do. If he wanted to see anyonew die, he'd have voted for kondi on page 1, but he didn't.

Definitely newb_scum vibes.

[Amrun]

I said he was lurking, not scum.

I was being a little facetious - he posted content and that is what lost his badge.

But it's not about "agreeing.". It's about 100% following my train of thought and posting what I was too lazy to. That's one of the strongest towntells there is.

[Amrun]

Agreeing with Equinox here on ScreamingHawk.

Starting to rethink with her view on ns in mind as well.

[Amrun]

Wow, there's lots of scum.

[Amrun]

v/la until monday

[Amrun]

Equinox, this is about SH right?
Look, he's making two mutually exclusive arguments:
1. I fully intended to vote flp
2. I didn't actually vote flp so I'm not accountable

Have you never thought you did something when you didn't? I have.

I'm inclined to think SH is town as of right now.

Disappointed by no wagon on C_P.

NS isn't the worst lynch but C_P is far better.

[Amrun]

That's a good question.

[Amrun]

IF all three scum are on my wagon, I would say they are: FruitBasket, Screaming Hawk, and Sleepy.

Sleepy is my least compelling read.

This will not save you, NS.

[Amrun]

Why don't you try then?

[Amrun]

No, especially in my eyes, you are saveable.

THAT POST and that amount of non-effort is not enough to do it.

[Amrun]

Mod: Can we prod or preferably replace kondi yet?

[Amrun]

He isn't.

[Amrun]

Actually, other people cleared me for that, not the other way around.

And I did recognize it. It still doesn't make SH CONFIRMED town.

Do I have a townread on sh? Yes.

However it's entirely possible newb scum would miss this too before the first night. Or could be faking it.

More likely SH is town. It's just not confirmed.

[Amrun]

THERE SHOULD BE A COUNTERWAGON AND IT SHOULD BE C_P

[Amrun]

Actually I'm going to be keeping Amrun in mind regardless. Could be going for brownie points for not lynching town, assuming he knows who town is (i.e. he is scum)

You're so newb it's painful.

I'm not defending NS; at deadline, I will certainly vote for him. I see no reason to rush the day until then.

I have no reasons against an NS lynch. This has been pretty clear.

I've also pretty clearly demonstrated why I think c_p is scummy. The best explanation out there is bvoigt's, which I talked about somewhat extensively.

No one thinks it's a towntell except fruit basket maybe, and he's simply wrong.

[Amrun]

Twissted: why did you choose cp to replace?

[Amrun]

Amrun, what's your experience with Nobody Special?

Less extensive than yours, but not skimpy. My experience with NS scum, though, is weakish.


Haven't properly caught up from weekend; will do later today.

[Amrun]

[quote="In post 596, Twistedspoon"][/quote]

How does that have anything to do with why you chose c_p?

[Amrun]

With the thought process of SHtown in mind, I dislike this post. SH's post does have legit back-up considering if NS does in fact flip town, it does look like Amrun is trying to avoid the town lynch for brownie points. It's WIFOM a tad but still I get why SH is saying that.What explanation from bvoigt? I also don't see SH calling you out on not voting NS but you actually just saying "No NS, let's go another route." but with nothing behind it. Rush the day? No one had really done that either. How is FB wrong in what he says?

Read. The. Game.

I'm tired of playing with people with the reading comprehension of my boyfriend's 3 year old nephew. That's rude and I'll regret it later when I'm less annoyed.

I'm not trying to avoid any lynch. SH's "reasoning" is fucking terrible and makes no sense. SH is town, but I'll probably not be ever taking his reads seriously because they're in la la land so far.

No one can call me out on "not voting NS" because there's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. I don't have to vote for the popular wagon if I don't want to. I want to push for someone I think is scum over someone I don't really give a crap about one way or the other, like NS. That's how the GAME IS PLAYED. You say you don't like newbs, but you're acting like one. This isn't a 24 hour day where someone forms a wagon and that's just it, they're dead. This is a 3 week deadline and if I think another wagon may be more fruitful than the current wagon. I don't have to push the popular wagon just 'cause. I'm going to push who I think is scum. That's not "nothing behind it." I have a strong read on c_p with perfectly valid reasoning.

However, not pushing NS is NOT DEFENDING. And if I were defending NS, not only would you KNOW, it would not be a scumtell. I have a history of defending my townreads, and I do it vocally and continually. That is not what I am doing here.

If you want to know what explanation from bvoigt, you should maybe, idk, ISO BVOIGT - and again, I discuss this in my own iso.

I don't see a point in switching to NS unless it's deadline, which it isn't. That's what I meant by "not rushing the day."

I explained how FB was wrong about that topic in my iso, when we had a back and forth about it.

I am so tired of explaining to people about shit like this. Fucking read.

[Amrun]

Aw, I'm wounded.

[Amrun]

Wow I totally missed that that was a hammer.

[Amrun]

I actually answered every single question you asked, as disparate as they were.

[Amrun]

If you need me to be more specific about bvoigt, I would try re-reading the only massive c_p case he posted.

[Amrun]

As extremely terrible as that hammer was ... it probably didn't come from scum. *sigh*

[Amrun]

trekker was stupid but a bit town; you are more town. I just gave a townread on you last post.

[Amrun]

You realize I am Trekker now correct? Does anything I have posted do anything for you?

[Amrun]

You realize I am Trekker now correct? Does anything I have posted do anything for you?

That was to Bvoigt....? For someone who talks about me needing to read you just missed to things with a simple read. xP My questions please Amrun, thanks.

Well when you stick a question right underneath a quoted post of mine and addressed response to me, anyone would assume the question was directed to me.

[Amrun]

^bad post

[Amrun]

his whole roleplaying english gentleman thing is p usual for him

No it's not...

[Amrun]

She flips from totally against it to saying she'll hammer if necessary and claiming she never attacked the wagon.

This never happened, in reality. Just fyi.

[Amrun]

TS: I don't think scum would be that dumb to hammer so terribly, assuming NS is town, which he most likely is.

[Amrun]

TS was on my team in team mafia, Equinox... that's KINDASORTA some experience. It's interesting that he didn't cite it and instead cited some mod experience, though...

[Amrun]

Equinox, what did I not read?

Amrun was far from defending Nobody Special.

I was beginning to think I was crazy.

[Amrun]

NS had explained that he was town. Pretty sure FLP just made a wording mistake.

yeah, but even NS admits he didn't explain it to the extent that it should be considered truth by the way he pointed out the slip :p

cheeky scum

[Amrun]

Torn between voting fruit and twistedspoon.

VOTE: fruit basket

It's interesting that TS expresses a townread and fruit tries to undermine it. Especially early game, that's a scumtell.

[Amrun]

acting like a fucking moron doesn't suit you. i think you're scum and want you lynched, so naturally will disagree with a town read on you.

Act like a decent human being and stop hiding behind your SECRET IDENTITIEZ

[Amrun]

If anything, bvoigt was sheeping me. If you want to play that game, fb, then let's play it properly. bvoigt put out a quote striping case where he laid out his thoughts more transparently, but I had mentioned the points he had said, or most of them, long before he ever became active in the game. I pushed c_p all day. You're reaching, and reaching hard. You're also abusing ad hominem to an obnoxious degree. Stop it. Play, or don't play. You're not doing anything but mudslinging, and you haven't since the game began. Nobody Special is the easiest target on the books and your case never had any substance. GUESS WHAT HE WAS TOWN

[Amrun]

VOTE: jerobbo

The people who are finding me scummy are scummy themselves. I'm confirmed town.

who is jerrobo?

He's DonJosh's replacement.

What do you think of Amrun? Do you actually think she made any effort to get CP lynched yesterday,

she basically sheeped your reasons

and said she'd extensively talked about things she'd said fuck all about.

amrun could you please point out the occasions on day 1 you felt you campaigned hard for a C_p lynch and made an effort to push it over every other lynch. your read looks really disengenous and i don't see any serious efforts to push the wagon from you. do you actually believe bvoigt was sheeping you or are you just trying to be contrary.

i don't think you 'sheeped' him

, in any respect i just don't think your push towards cp was sincere, bvoigt's at least looked sorta legit with you it seemed like you threw a vote down and never really bothered to do a whole lot else for the rest of the day. do you have a history of keeping your votes on dead wagons that i am unaware of?

Mod: I'll be V/la until tuesday, I think

As I explained very clearly yesterday, I don't think bvoigt was sheeping me in the traditional sense; he took my thoughts and expanded upon them in a way that was his own. I think he's town for it.

As for your request, no.

[Amrun]

it's okay amrun i checked you said LET'S COUNTERWAGON CP

not a whole lot else admittedly. but thanks for admitting you didn't.

you sheeped his reasons b/c you were unwilling/unable to come up w/ your own, the initial vote was yours of course.

Everything about this whole post is wrong, but I'm tired of explaining basic reading comprehension.

[Amrun]

Listen.

Jerobbo is town. No scum list gives the best reason for ANYONE being scum as what he did for me and FruitBasket.

Why does this town love shit wagons? Stop it.

[Amrun]

NS and the jerobbo wagon, obviously. Don't be such a derp.

[Amrun]

The wagon I call crap is a pretty good indication that that is the one I meant.

[Amrun]

Of course things progressed as part of the day. I wasn't defending NS himself, but the wagon itself was crap. I've seen crap wagons on SCUM, for crying out loud. It was a poorly thought-out easy as hell wagon with no serious alternative. It was an extremely uninformative mislynch. That's shit.

[Amrun]

Let me clarify: Just as he almost always is on day 1, NS was totally null; he had about a 50/50 chance of being scum just for existing, but no part of his wagon actually compelled me one way or the other. Defending him implies I thought he was town, which I didn't, per se, but I did put down his wagon because it was dumb.

[Amrun]

Can we just acknowledge that SH is practically confirmed town and move on?

TS giving me townvibes... Having a hard time moving on from my intense c_p scumread, though.

[Amrun]

Well, to be fair to the others, not only am I town, but you've failed to provide any passable reasons as to why they should be voting me.

[Amrun]

I'LL DO IT EQUINOX

I WILL

[Amrun]

...Uh. What points. lol

[Amrun]

SKrew, you know I like you, but that is not a case, and those points in this context are not "passable reasons" or even close to this.

[Amrun]

PEDIT: ILL DO IT TO AND OH LOOK AMRUN IS IGNORING

MY LATEST POINTS AGAINST HER

SHES SCUM

Herpderp?

But all your other points suck just as much.

SKrew, I think you are town.

Just wrong.

[Amrun]

Gut and meta for the most part. I think he'd be a lot more likely to buddy me as scum than oppose me.

[Amrun]

Missed it.

SH, please clarify your question.

[Amrun]

Torn between voting fruit and twistedspoon.

VOTE: fruit basket

It's interesting that TS expresses a townread and fruit tries to undermine it. Especially early game, that's a scumtell.

You voted FB after only making a (weak) comment about TS being scum. Why not vote TS then? What's your case on FB.

uh, I think you misread the last sentence. Amrun is saying she thought she got a scumtell from fruit, which is why she's voting him :p

This, also I spent the whole of day 1 talking about C_p, which is ts. I am still somewhat conflicted there; my opinion on c_p hasn't changed, but ts is working on changing my mind, and with the night kill, if I had been right, I could have easily been killed instead of

Fruit Basket not only committed the scumtell I noted there, but pushed Nobody Special waaaaay too hard in my opinion for what amounted to very little. Had NS been scum, FB would have been definitely town. NS being town throws a wrench in.

I can't bring myself to address the stupidity of jerrobo...

Okay, jerobbo, I gave you townpoints for your replace in post because it was too wishy washy for scum to be open about. Now you're sticking to your terrible, terrible read on me and fruit basket with a level of conviction your reads list in NO WAY DISPLAYED. You're just mudslinging with a ridiculous theory.

Show how we have staged an argument, which is a crazy theory in the first place. You assign a scum motivation of distancing, but we haven't really done that, either. We're starting to do more of what could be called that, now, but day 1 was nothing of the sort. Do you know what distancing means? Squabbling doesn't do anything for or against your chances of being scum together.

[Amrun]

Just fyi Amrun. The best case I can see from you for C_P being scum is your very first post. Because of the quick lynch thing. Was that it? You make a couple more vague references to his appearing newbscum but that's all I can see. Please quote / explain otherwise because I've asked you this so many times before and your response to look but through your iso does not help me here.

There are SO MANY other reasons, many of which I noted. He was very inconsistent; at first, he was cautious, but then pushed to end the day with just as little cause. One indicates one type of newbie, the other a totally different type. You can't both be the cautious and incautious type of newbie. It's incongruous.

[Amrun]

Just fyi Amrun. The best case I can see from you for C_P being scum is your very first post. Because of the quick lynch thing. Was that it? You make a couple more vague references to his appearing newbscum but that's all I can see. Please quote / explain otherwise because I've asked you this so many times before and your response to look but through your iso does not help me here.

There are SO MANY other reasons, many of which I noted. He was very inconsistent; at first, he was cautious, but then pushed to end the day with just as little cause. One indicates one type of newbie, the other a totally different type. You can't both be the cautious and incautious type of newbie. It's incongruous.

so is the inconsistent newbie the town or scum one? I find many newbies of both alignments to be inconsistent and irrational, especially as a fish-out-of-water in a mini normal (not the comfotable newbie game zone)

but like I've said, I'm not interested in defending my predecessor really.

Sure they can be inconsistent, but not in that manner. If he were cautious, he wouldn't turn around and act like he's used to 24 hour days where the first wagon dies ... as town, anyway. It just doesn't make sense.

[Amrun]

Read their argument again, it's completely forced and fake, seriously.

This is something you need to show why you think this, because hint: no one else does because it's silly.

That being said, I don't have any particular reason to think you're scum.

Terrible theories =/= scum.

[Amrun]

That being said, I don't have any particular reason to think you're scum.

Cause you know who the other 2 are?

When you say these things, are you serious, or do you think you are being clever?

For the record, I have no strong reason to think you are NOT scum, but no strong reason the other way, either. You're sitting at null leaning town.

[Amrun]

Even though you think that, I can't believe you can say some of the things you say with a straight face.

[Amrun]

On Amrun, yes - As I mentioned I felt like her earlier reply to me was a classic guilty person trying to sound innocent

And once again, no explanation.

PS arguments aren't meant to draw in other people, usually. That doesn't even make sense.

[Amrun]

There was almost definitely at least one scum off of the NS wagon, as perfect a mislynch opportunity as it was.

[Amrun]

VOTE: Equinox

Quit stalling.

[Amrun]

I agreed to push Equinox to lynch if she procastinated.

This happened in the last White Flag, too, and we let her get away with it because we thought she was town.

She could be scum relying on that again. I don't think she is but it's possible.

Either way I want her help lynching fruit basket and if I don't kick her in the ass, that's not going to happen.

[Amrun]

You already expressed a scum read on Fruit Basket so I'm going to be lazy too.

[Amrun]

Yes. At the end of Day 1 when I FoSed you, I said to myself, "I'm voting Fruit Basket tomorrow because they're probably scum." When I saw the flip today, I changed my mind. I made it fairly obvious for what I was suspecting you, and nobody was really suspicious of you at the end of the Day. It'd have been simple enough to just shoot me dead and then talk yourself out of whoever brought up their concerns on Day 2.

Okay, so you sort of retracted it, but in a way that's silly. Maybe they didn't notice. Maybe FB argued vigorously for you to be dead, but their partners overruled. Maybe they didn't react to it with instant death like you thought they would.

FB has been pushing crap cases and undermining people's townreads. He's been using ad hom and intentionally distracting away from the points at hand.

You saw the scumminess yesterday, but today it goes out the window, just for this? I hadn't realized you seriously had FB for town after this. I totally disagree.


p-edit: jerobbo is also a pretty good wagon.

[Amrun]

Mod: Nobody Special hasn't posted in over a week. Can we prod/replace him, please?

p-edit: I never suspected you until you started pushing the stupidest case imaginable with a weird level of confidence and then CATEGORICALLY REFUSING to back up your reasoning. PS using associative tells without flips is retarded.

[Amrun]

Also, NS is dead, Amrun. For someone defending him so much, I'd have expected you to realise.

I think almost everyone in this game is vying for a Darwin Award now.

[Amrun]

Please don't replace out, Equinox. I'll go insane with this playerlist.

[Amrun]

I'm not that bad am I?

Others have pushed the same wagons, but in less scummy fashion.


You're not bad, no. But let's not lose the competent players we DO have. With just you and Equinox, I will hate this game.

I am usually good with newbies. I don't know why this game annoys me so much.

[Amrun]

Maybe it's because the level of play for my last White Flag was so very high.

[Amrun]

NS and SKrew don't make me angry, but they aren't posting, either.

[Amrun]

When I asked the mod to prod him, I forgot because I was in a hurry and realized after and left it for the lulz. When I talked about him just now, I didn't forget, but being dead makes him not post, so.

Your suspicions are actually based 100% associative tells. All you've offered is that we engineered some stupid argument, and then refused to explain how. You won't explain anything.

[Amrun]

Those are vague aspersions. Not one of those are reasons. Well, I'll grant you the thing about post 991, though I disagree with it. That's what you don't seem to get. Saying that you have other reasons and that I'm scummy doesn't show your reasons or say why I'm scummy. Just like saying the argument could be distancing doesn't show that this could actually be true.

Honestly, I shouldn't be going around calling people retards, but I've been frustrated with this game. So, apologies for that.

[Amrun]

But they aren't reasons. You need to EXPLAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN. That's the main reason I think you're scum. Townies can be wrong, but they can also explain why they think the random dumb shit they think.

[Amrun]

What language I'm using? Examples of style? How is that language and style indicative of being scum?

[Amrun]

Maybe it's because the level of play for my last White Flag was so very high.

LOL

Comparitively, yes?

[Amrun]

I know you're hiding your shit just so you can be an asshole and all, but that's not really up for debate. It's a fact.

[Amrun]

I hate this game.

If I were the type of person to replace out, I would do it now.

If you think I'm scum, lynch me.

[Amrun]

Nope.jpg

[Amrun]

I've made better cases, but I hate this game so much that any time spent here is time that annoys me so I don't want to. And my level of convinction is not as high as I would like it to be, except that certain players are town.

[Amrun]

Joke's on you, asshole.

[Amrun]

Joke's on you, asshole.

^ Fruit Basket (1) - Amrun

yeah, amrun thinks I'm scum guys. she really does. just look how scummy she thinks I am.

That doesn't even make sense. What are you trying to say?

I'm at the point in the game where I could make town or scum cases for almost anyone in the game, especially my top two suspects. I hate that point in the game, and I don't bother making cases during it, because they aren't truly genuine.

I think that of the people remaining, jerobbo and you (FB) are the most likely to be scum. But I've had leanings both ways at different times for you guys, and I hate that feeling of not being quite sure. I can't make myself sure, and building cases only compounds this for me. I know myself as a player for the most part, and I know this. It's one of the major components of my current frustrations.

I had that conviction on C_P day 1. Bvoigt made a good case before I had the time to, though it mostly expanded on things I mentioned, and I was busy, so I let myself be a little lazy.

Since TS replaced in, that conviction is gone.

The closest thing I have to that is the conviction that SH is town, but that only helps tangentially.

What helps is dialoguing and bouncing ideas off, and Equinox is prime pickings for this. I would really like her to catch up on this game.

None of that changes the fact that you're being a excessively rude and you're doing it on purpose, which is the most annoying thing of all. It's a big part of why I no longer like this game and it's bled off in my interactions with other people, which I regret. I said several things this game which I regret.

[Amrun]

AW MAN THAT GUY

I was so mad in the moment but he helped me get the lynch I wanted <3

[Amrun]

You know what? I didn't.

BUT I FUCKING KNEW YOU WERE SCUM SINCE DAY 1 AND I FINALLY GOT YOU LYNCHED

[Amrun]

You know what? I didn't.

BUT I FUCKING KNEW YOU WERE SCUM SINCE DAY 1 AND I FINALLY GOT YOU LYNCHED

For someone who is so keen on people having concrete reasons and explaining reasons for votes this is a strange thing to say

Having a case that doesn't compels others =/= not having reasons for your vote.

[Amrun]

You may have reasons, but you haven't expressed them.

[Amrun]

He actually died Day 1.... My mistake. lol

[Amrun]

Okay... In the interest of getting something done.

VOTE: fatlikepig

I don't have an explicit townread on him and his reactions to pressure were not great. It's a more viable wagon than any I am currently pushing.

[Amrun]

Easy to forget you when you never post.

Also I have a townread on bvoigt and only an idiot would think I was buddies with C_P's slot, so get off the crackpipe and start reading the game.

[Amrun]

I'm hurt that you've abandoned me in this game.

Also, I did not insult you in post 1136. If you just read the game, you didn't read it very in-depth. I know this to be true so I don't mind saying it.

[Amrun]

I said only an idiot would think those things after serious reading and consideration, which you clearly haven't done.

Get off the crackpipe was a joke, if you couldn't tell... I thought we could joke like that.

And you have barely posted this whole game and have done zero analysis.

[Amrun]

TS is playing a solid game.

And I apologized already for general insults. I got a little frustrated. Can't do much more than that.

[Amrun]

Before his near-flake, I felt that he was.

It's not the strongest town read I have, though.

[Amrun]

oh my god i literally forgot quilford was in this game

lynch him?

[Amrun]

VOTE: quilford

[Amrun]

ScreamingHawk is literally the only person in this game who is definitely not scum.

[Amrun]

ScreamingHawk, among other things, demonstrated that he had a severe misunderstanding of the set-up in such a genuine way that it couldn't have come from scum.

It's all been detailed in the thread. If you'd read it.

[Amrun]

Aw.

Sure you can't get a handle on this game?

[Amrun]

Tbh it is kind of bad form for the replace list mod to replace out "just because," but I'd rather he did that than provide no content or crazy content all game.

I don't want to lynch bv though.

I'll sheep Equinox for now because we need a freaking viable wagon.

VOTE: sleepykrew

[Amrun]

Um, I didn't lynch ns.

"Null" =/= town.

Honestly, I have a relative townread on SK, but it's not strong, and I have a townread on bv that is much stronger and I won't support that wagon except at deadline.

[Amrun]

The people I would rather have lynched are MUCH less viable, and my townread on SK was never strong and was significantly weakened by his lurking.

Though I am going to check back through for other wagon viability.

[Amrun]

How about this... if you move back to flp, I will too.

[Amrun]

Equinox is town. She really believes in the SK lynch, despite that link not working. I'm not persuaded by her case; I'm simply compromising near deadline for a lynch, and between SK and bv, SK loses.

[Amrun]

wait, amrun. why are you voting for a townread when flp and jerrobo are viable wagons? you have town reads on all 4 of the top wagons apart from yourself? you voted flp a while ago.

ts: thoughts on amrun's latest votes. also what do you think of the other 2 wagons (jerrobo and flp?)

I don't think they ARE as viable, though. I'm considering switching to flp, and I tried to bargain with ts to get him there. I'd still prefer that.

And I clearly do care who gets lynched, obviously.

If YOU or ts switch to flp, then that's clearly the wagon to go with for me.

[Amrun]

I'll admit I do need to look a bit more at people's secondary suspicions. It's on my to-do list.

[Amrun]

What do you think about voting fatlikepig, SH?

[Amrun]

I'm not lynching bv, so.

[Amrun]

What? FB does not speak for me. I've been clear for a very long time that I have a townread on bvoigt.

I'd prefer a lynch on FB or jerobbo, but that isn't going to happen.

[Amrun]

Amrun, would a BV lynch be better or worse than a NL?

Better, of course, as previously stated.

SK, we did that song and dance on DAY 1 and I won't do it again because you're out of touch with the game.

And hint: there was no wagon above 1 vote beside bv and my own.

[Amrun]

And I also will not discuss NS anymore. Either people put forth the effort to understand and/or have the reading comprehension to get what I have already stated or do not.

[Amrun]

Twistedspoon is listed twice; he's actually on bvoigt.

And the vote count that I looked at, before I voted, I'm pretty sure bvoigt was elsewhere. (If not, then I just misread.)

[Amrun]

Day 2 Votecount the Sixth

Amrun

- Fruit Basket, SleepyKrew, jerobbo

L-3

jerobbo

- ScreamingHawk,

fatlikepig

: - Twistedspoon, pidgey L-4

bvoigt

: - Quilford, fatlikepig,

Equinox

: - Amrun , bvoigt

SleepyKrew

: - Equinox

Not Voting:

- None


With 11 Alive - 6 to lynch

Day 2 deadline: Sunday, 20th of November

Mod: Nobody Special hasn't posted in over a week. Can we prod/replace him, please?

Sure.

Actually, bvoigt was on jerobbo, but I missed it, because I looked at the last vote count, which was this. And ts had moved to bvoigt; I remembered that.

[Amrun]

Then lynch me. If I'm going to be a distraction for a town chasing its own tail, it's for the best anyway.

[Amrun]

Why not, SH?

[Amrun]

No.

[Amrun]

You said like 3 posts ago you had a scumread on me...

[Amrun]

Why would I self-vote? That's playing against wincon.

And also if SH thinks I'm town, then less people are convinced I'm scum and I'm less of a distraction anyway.

To be honest I mostly just hate this game and want it to go away, but even that can't make me actually play against wincon.

[Amrun]

IF I have a huge amount of people fixated on me, then lynching me is not the worst option for the town. That's a vast ocean away from self-voting.

And no, I would not self-hammer. I know I'm town. That's dumb.

And I'm not quitting.

[Amrun]

That is the crux with sk for me too. His scum team makes No sense and when I pointed it out I thought he would fix it bit he hasn't. I trqd him again and my townread on him, which was already weakened, is now gone.

I think he is just doing anything to get me mislynched and is coasting on that.

[Amrun]

Equi, I don't remember you ever calling me out on that before. I thought you were saying "well that's one less point in my amazing SKrew case that I STILL HAVENT POSTED".

Amrun, what's trqd?
And I don't recall us talking about my scumteam again and again. Care to quote it?
Also, wouldn't me changing my reads because you told me to be more of a scumtell?

Okay. Prepare for mindblowinh explanations:
Amrun is scum because of stuff

TS is scum because of incessant defense of NS and Amrun
bv is scum for the case TS posted

"trqd" is "read" on an iphone.

And the fact that you seriously expect us to buy the bolded (and think that they don't contradict themselves) is why I am seriously starting to believe you're scum.

Look TS. You used meta to defend NS, while meta was my ATTACK. So yeah, your arguments were pretty unreeasonable to me.

The issue is that after TS was proven right about NS, you still use "unreasonable arguments" as a scumtell. It doesn't make sense.

These are the lamest arguments I've ever seen you put forth, and I don't think you'd do it as town. Earlier I dismissed your lame arguments because I thought you would buddy me more as scum, like you did last time, but I can't excuse it anymore. It's gone too far.

None of your suspicions gel with a deep reading of the game. They feel really false.

[Amrun]

Amrun, how is it a contradiction? I think TS is sacrificing bvoigt and hoping that he and you survive till endgame, which is entirely possible.Since when did I say unreasonable arguments are a scumtell?Did you answer my lurking point yet?

Of course it's a contradiction; you are pushing it as something so obvious it doesn't need explanation, when in reality it is the remotest of possibilities. But you are not approaching things in a "figure this out" way, as I have seen you do as town; your posting in a whole is just kind of saying random shit because you need to say something. At first, I thought you would dig in later, but you haven't, and it's gotten far worse.

If the scumteam would be as you say, and ts were to sacrifice someone, in that climate, it made a lot more sense for it to be ME. Basically no one really suspected bvoigt until ts' case, but plenty of people suspected me, so that makes very little sense - and for reasons previously stated, the proposed scumteam is probably the least sensical scumteam in the game.

You seemed to be pushing ts for unreasonable arguments in that post I quoted that you're responding to.

And what lurking point? That I pushed you for inactivity while you were v/la? That's irrelevant. My point was that even when you're not v/la, you were barely posting, and when you do post, it's very little content and the content you do post makes no sense.

[Amrun]

VOTE: sleepykrew

v/la until monday

[Amrun]

Amrun is scum because of NShenanigans.

You're going to have to expand because they don't exist.

But you're scum and you're dead so whatever.

[Amrun]

You've explained, sure, but you've never reconciled your failed explanations after being confronted with the contrary facts.

[Amrun]

I already explained why you are wrong. At least one person comprehends, but I believe it was/is more. I'd have to check.

The point is that once rebuffed, you didn't TRY to think about what I was saying. You just saw something you thought you could use to mislynch me and you're sticking to it. That's not what townies do.

Helpful hints:

a) I was not defending NS.

b) If I was defending NS, I'd be quite open about it.

c) Defending is not scummy behavior.

[Amrun]

On whom?

[Amrun]