Open 387: Jungle Republic (Day 6 - ends in a Town Victory)

[kondi2424]

VOTE: shotgun for being fooled twice. Shame on you!

[kondi2424]

@shotgun: Why didn't you start out with your RQS?

VOTE: shotgun

[kondi2424]

1. I absolutely love tangets!

2. Vijay. Every vijay game is a good game.

3. Definitely Werewolf. As scum, having control of a nightkill is key.

4. I'd rather be scum.

5. I'd like to say that I'm good at deciphering WIFOM as well as dishing it out, so yes.

6. For a Mafia team, vijay and Slandaar. I have quite a bit of history with both, and I think we would function well as a team. As for the Werewolves, I would pick shotgun, because us being scum together would be an interesting thing to try.

7. Choco

8. Mathz

9. Batman

10. A lot

11. Hard to say for a three-alignment game. This town looks decent, so I would say it would win. The Werewolves look like they have a higher chance of winning compared to the Mafia, though.

6. Slandaar and maybe kondi. Slandaar claiming scum with me when he's about to get lynched will throw you guys off (hahahaha just messing man XD). And kondi is kondi. I get to buddy him without raising suspicion because I can defend him from the PL that happens every other game.

I don't like this answer, as it assumes that we're only giving scum teams for the Mafia. That would mean that you were in the mindset of Mafia being the only scumteam at the time, which would mean you are part of the Mafia.

VOTE: vijay

I don't like LBJ either.

PEdit: People PL me because I trolled and flaked in my early games, and people hold grudges.

[kondi2424]

6. Vijay. Vijay is one of those people who manages to be in every game I ever read.

Seriously?

FOS: TheXfactor557

for Werewolf scum.

[kondi2424]

Slaandar, in this case, the questions are useful. You should answer them and I'll explain why.

[kondi2424]

Vijay, respond to my attack on you.

[kondi2424]

Slaandar, here's an example: LBJ, Kassadin, and Bag got scumpoints for not answering the important question (#6), and vijay/TheX got major scumpoints for answering it in only one team's viewpoint.

[kondi2424]

Explanation?

I agree that the questions are useless, aside #6. #6 is a great question that can be used to find scum.

Why can TheX be scum for his answer but Vijay can't?

[kondi2424]

So right now I'm being wagoned for being logical?

Yeah, my scumread on vijay just skyrocketed, and Slaandar just showed he could be scum. Explain how your reasoning is anything but hypothetical shit compared to the actual scumhunting that has happened so far.

By the way, a tornado is coming our way. Wish us luck

[kondi2424]

He's more likely to be scum than not due to his worthless answer on #6.

[kondi2424]

Thanks for the contribution, Norman.

[kondi2424]

That's actually a great point. VOTE: asher

Why do you keep calling asher scum but keep your vote on me?

I Didnt realise mafia dont have a nk... I assumed both did.

It's been mentioned in-thread. Several times, I believe.

[kondi2424]

So right now I'm being wagoned for being logical?

Yeah, my scumread on vijay just skyrocketed, and Slaandar just showed he could be scum. Explain how your reasoning is anything but hypothetical shit compared to the actual scumhunting that has happened so far.

Slandaar, I want a response to this.

[kondi2424]

Yes I was. I thought about what both the Mafia's and the Werewolves' answers to #6 would be, and determined that vijay was likely a member of the Mafia and TheX was likely a member of the Werewolves. And you attacked that by saying that I was "too careful" and payed close attention to the setup.

By the way, I've been in this setup before.

[kondi2424]

So how could ANY of my answers be used to trip people up? Give me an example.

[kondi2424]

That's BS. Look at my winrate as scum. Do you seriously think I'd be worried about being caught in a fucking RQS?

[kondi2424]

1. A good one.

2. You are mafia for only mentioning mafia, because it shows that you didn't look at the setup and see that there were Werewolves. Yet, if you didn't look at the setup, how would you know that there were three Mafia? You would have to be Mafia to know that without knowing the setup. Nonetheless, even if it wasn't a slip, it clears you from being a Werewolf.

I DID know the setup, so I knew there were Mafia and Werewolves.

[kondi2424]

Explain?

[kondi2424]

Yuh. I was scum and he was town. It wen't rather smoothly for me.

[kondi2424]

Open 386. Note that I had to keep Kassadin alive as well.

[kondi2424]

@shotgun: I'm using "fucking RQS" in a sense where, since I already knew how it could be used to find scum (#6), I wouldn't have to be cautious about anything.

@Slandaar: I don't just go "herp derp let's lurk idgaf" as town. Most of those games are games with people like mcqueen and the like, tyvm.

[kondi2424]

Yeah, but I can work with that if I know their alignments. If I'm sitting in a town where there's a mcqueen and a Pizzadudes who I can't read and are going to be useless but a few people go "THAT'S A PL GTFO" then there's a problem. But, on the other hand, there are so many useful ways you could bus/buddy that player as scum, which makes them golden.

[kondi2424]

I'm blaming townlosses on people who literally do nothing. Those people are USEFUL when I'm scum, as either alignment.

[kondi2424]

Sorry, been going through a few problems. I'll make a post expressing my thoughts on the game some time today.

[kondi2424]

LBJ, can you say what Dany did to make you feel like he was scum?

[kondi2424]

I'm sorry. This game is hard to get into.

I'll try to do something here soon.

[kondi2424]

I'm here.

Hey Slandaar, follow me!

[kondi2424]

Just had a satisfying scum win.

I don't know what to think of the Slandaar claim. He has the cunning to claim it as scum, but at this point he looks town. I'll look closer at it and the surrounding text some time.

[kondi2424]

Seriously, guys? There's a much more simple way to solve this. We lynch someone else and get a possible other scum flip from that. Then, if he doesn't die Night 1, we lynch him. If he's a Werewolf, great, if not, we have a free investigation.

I'm reading up now, I'll make a post with my notes as I'm reading.

[kondi2424]

But if Slandaar is the Seer?

[kondi2424]

Not really, but what is there to lose by keeping him around until tomorrow?

Stop interrupting me while I'm typing my post.

[kondi2424]

Worst that can happen is Slandaar is Werewolf, he gizes us fake results, and we have a dead Werewolf Day 2. Best that can happen is Slandaar is the real Seer and the Werewolves have to waste their kill on him.

[kondi2424]

Because investigation, no?

How much time do we have left until deadline hits?

[kondi2424]

My Notes

- RQS: vijay is very likely Mafia for answering just two people in #6, and TheXfactor is very likely Werewolf for the same reason. LBJ, Kassadin, and Slandaar's refusal to accurately answer the questions sucks, too.

- vijay's response in #39 is scummy in that he admit that he didn't think about the question too seriously, which means he could slip like he did.

- Bag's answers suck too.

- Slandaar gets scumpoints for twisting my scumhunting into "carefulness." His continuation could be real or fake.

- asher's answers suck, AND he made a likely Werewolf slip in his answer of #11.

- Slandaar can't be part of the Mafia. He non-Mafia slipped in Post #67, where he stated he believed both teams could nightkill. Of course, not that he's claimed Seer, he can't be Mafia anyway, but

- asher's discrediting further proves the slip.

- drmy's points in #91 feel lazy. Not sure if Town not trying or Scum not having to try.

- Thomith's #102. While I disagree with it much, it gives me strong Town vibes, as I don't think Thomith would try that hard with four pages to go off of as scum.

- TheXfactor's failure to reply to my accusation of him makes me think I was correct.

- Chrimi answers the RQS. He only lists one person in #6. Very likely Werewolf.

- I don't like how OmNom's #198 explains NOTHING except the scumreads on Slandaar and I.

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These were my reads up to Page 8. Anyone can hammer if they want, but they better explain why it is better to lynch Slandaar now when they do so. While people are trying to find that, I'll sleep, go to school, and post the rest of my reads tomorrow.

In case night falls and the scum decide to be tools, I suspect two of {Slandaar, Elmo, Chrimi} of being the Werewolves, while asher, vijay, and [insert third person, likely a lurker or null read] are the Mafia.

[kondi2424]

I... actually can't find a flaw in vijay's plan. I was hoping that we could block the Werewolves' kill by keeping Slandaar alive if he's the real Seer, but the Werewolves killing is actually

good

for us and gives us information. Does that make sense?

I'll hammer tonight after I lay down my notes.

[kondi2424]

What the fuck? You couldn't wait until tonight for me to give my notes?

[kondi2424]

What's wrong with giving the Wolves info to kill the Mafia? Furthermore, what if I die tonight?

[kondi2424]

I'll get to that case ASAP. I was going to do it during the night, but other games took a toll.

[kondi2424]

They're*

[kondi2424]

So, you two. What do you think of each other? (in the scumhunting sense)

[kondi2424]

In the meantime, does anyone think HypoSeer would be a good thing?

[kondi2424]

Are you all THAT retarded? It's obvious that vijay is softclaiming a guilty on me like crazy.

Unfortunately for vijay, he chose to guilty the real Seer. It's funny, too, because I was sure that you were Mafia due to your slip. VOTE: vijay

Vijay's partner is [Elmo or Chrimi], and the mafia are asher, [Elmo or Chrimi], and [BS or FT].

[kondi2424]

And before anyone asks, I'm not revealing my result until the end of the day.

[kondi2424]

I ALREADY TOLD YOU PEOPLE I HAVEN'T HAD TIME ARGGH

[kondi2424]

You're*

And I kinda stopped looking at the thread after I sent in my investigation.

[kondi2424]

I HAVE A FUCKING BUSY LIFE PEOPLE I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND READ THIS SHIT WHEN YOU FUCKS WANT ME TO

NOW BE FUCKING PATIENT AND LET ME GIVE MY NOTES BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING RETARDED

[kondi2424]

Never mind, Elmo literally can't be a Werewolf after that. He wouldn't be able to resist the temptation to vote me as a wagoned up, claimed Seer.

I'm completely fine with a Chrimi vote until I can get my notes up. VOTE: Chrimi

[kondi2424]

I didn't. I didn't want to look like an effective Seer kill after he flipped.

[kondi2424]

You people don't realize that notes take SERIOUS TIME to create. Doing things such as jumping on a wagon or making this post take about a minute, but my notes are going to take MUCH LONGER than that.

[kondi2424]

VOTE: kondi

Partner, take my reads list in the QT and put it in numbered order. Kill #9 tonight. #7 and 8 are quite obviously Mafia, and #4, 5, and 6 are where the last Mafia lies, in no particular order. #2 and 3 are Town. Reveal all of these reads if you die before the Mafia do, because they deserve help if they get us killed.

[kondi2424]

Oh, and if #9 isn't the Seer, #4 is.

[kondi2424]

And that's game.

[kondi2424]

Yeah, people talk during final twilight all the time

[kondi2424]

And what about me? I think I played the largest part in making this a town win.

[kondi2424]

Yes, yes I did. I was completely convinced vijay was mafia from the start of the game, and only doubted when he started softclaiming s guilty on me. I also died in time to not fuck up the town with my terrible reads from there on.

I thought vijay was 100% scum, but with asher, and Chrimi was my third choice. OmNom and Thomith were my two highest townreads besides shotgun.

PEdit: I kinda started rooting for the town at that point. Elmo had no chance in hell of surviving endgame.

And I was going to make notes until I thought I was screwed. They most likely would have destroyed vijay, and pushed very hard on asher. Elmo and Chrimi would also be pushed quite a bit, and I would throw OmNom in there as my fifth suspect (who would be the only one I thought was town ).

I'll let Elmo post the Wolf QT. It mainly consists of me assuring Elmo that the scum had to be vijay, Asher, and Chrimi.

[kondi2424]

Can't link on phone easily. -_-

I'll go try.

[kondi2424]

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/ZhvZdmA3WFYK

[kondi2424]

No problem. My Seer elimination was based on someone who didn't know how to play Seer effectively. Sorry for underestimating you, asher.