Open 387: Jungle Republic (Day 6 - ends in a Town Victory)

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VOTE: Kass

Probably my favourite person to vote

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RQSlol

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dr

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RQS is over

No more RQS its not doing anything
its filling the thread with junk and making people look like they are contributing when they are not.

Vote Dr this is the most antitown thing he has started.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bag

Scum found.

See how easy that was. RQS is useless.

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In case its not obvious
Bag say its not antitown
Therefore its protown or he is fencesitting.
If its protown why he no answer questions?
Therefore
fencesitting scum

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<- Also really good at math

Vijay whats wrong with my case?

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I dont want to do RQS so I found a better starting point.

I dont think the case is fantastic but its alright and he did fencesit so its better than any other votes. His conforming to answer questions is interesting towntell would have been not to. Pretty null I think that he did.

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or kondi you were too careful as you were the only one not to fall into the trap? X... maybe could be wolf I agree the others its null.

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I wouldnt have answered that either btw

Effort in RQS answers = scummy because it makes it look like the person is being helpful but they are not really doing anything except answering pointless questions.

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Kondi is prob scum

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Mafia = Scum Thats what you associate with scum sure technically wolf is scum kind of but ehhhhhh no. town answering as if scum = mafia is completely believable.

Mafia dont have 2 members, its possible a wolf considers themselves scum and answered from their pov that theres 2 scum.

You are the ONLY person who didnt fall for it Kondi if anything it says more about your alignment than anyone elses... (well except x)

You noticed it because you were too cautious when answering your questions, cautious = scumtell.

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I think at this point the question we need to ask is...

@X: who have you played with in this game before?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kondi

I do like this vote.

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ashers scum lol

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good luck!

kondi asher is scum?

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11. Who do you think will win this game?
Town due to the night kill restriction on mafia.

I Didnt realise mafia dont have a nk... I assumed both did.

I checked and lo and behold they dont. But Wolves do...

Its funny, he thinks town win because mafia have kill restriction but does not account for the wolf kill this is important because it shows he did not read the front page he realised maf didnt have kill because he is one.

He is pesimistic scum.

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I think you are likely wolf or maybe maf

I want to see what xfactor says re my question.

I am content with my vote as is

I may have to read through the crap on page 1 though sigh

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Town who did not read the front page clearly would assume maf nk. However you didnt account for the nk of the wolves while knowing maf dont have nk.

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You were not being logical.

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you were too careful in answering the questions not to do with setup. You clearly had put thought into the questions and how they could trip people up. Vijay things pretty null the #6 not answering is pretty null so not logical no.

asher... there is no logical flaw in the statement no. But it does seem to lack taking into account the wolf kill. Which means you are likely maf. that quote was not aimed @ you.

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its simple

You thought about the questions in depth. This is because you were being cautious. You were being cautious because you are worried of being caught.

This line of reasoning makes the most sense

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That's BS. Look at my winrate as scum. Do you seriously think I'd be worried about being caught in a fucking RQS?

lol

look at your winrate as town

Would you put so much thought into the questions as town as you did here?

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so what was the point in your post?

surely scum games involve 'players like mcqueen' too?

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you are blaming townlosses on others lack of scumhunting prowess
you are not including their lack of scumhunting prowess into why you win as scum

Not that it makes you scum but your arguments really bad. And not going to help you.

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I Didnt realise mafia dont have a nk... I assumed both did.

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also

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thomith

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You are being manipulative.

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I Didnt realise mafia dont have a nk... I assumed both did.

that by using slandaars logic about only knowing werewolf mechanics but not mafia mechanics that he "must be a werewolf"

2 scum teams wolf and maf... I assumed both had a nk.
What do you think town would assume?

Manipulative; trying to get people (ash) to vote me then fueling the fire and keeping options open to vote me later while also making sure you were not part of it by staying with your pl vote in case it went bad. It did.

You are trying to get votes on me while not voting me yourself. Manipulative.

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Yes and technically you are right.

But in conjunction with your little fire fuelling it is being manipulative. Coincidence? maybe. I dont like coincidences though.

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Which votes havnt I explained Thomith?

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And how was my vote on you different then?

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That is not what you said. You clearly were insinuating something completely different originally

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Kass always gets useless points. his rvs vote followed by the way hes pushing it suggests he is might be scum - his vote was kind of friendly/jokey but then he sticks with it (for no reason), implying the friendly/jokey was fake. Its a little thin though.

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hes grudge voting

but its weird because of the jokey feel to the vote initially doesnt seem to make sense

but this is kass...

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Right at this moment I will say this;
I am conflicted on Thomith I feel his reaction has been bad and he really hasnt fought his corner, but then, he has shown proactive scumhunting. His explanation thing is probably null.

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Thomith, Vijay, what do you think of idany?

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I would like you to explain the vijay read

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I have a read;

om is scum
gut

UNVOTE:
VOTE: om

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surely you can explain your reads then?

like the vijay one

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Do you feel 10 pages is enough meta to use for a read instead of just looking at posts in the current game?

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so you didnt see the relevance in my question?

interesting.

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Of course, this could just be me being fail and forgetting half of their town meta, if that's the case, then just disregard this.

This does not seem like town posting to me.

Do answer my question about 10pages of meta being relevant, thanks.

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you seem to like the lolgut and lolmeta arguments so why cant I use them?

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I didn't, I was being hypothetical. Answer my question now.

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its a complete and total gut read just like yours.

and your answer to my useful question is?

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10 pages clearly misses half my town meta

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I'm kinda wary of kondi and Slandaar right now. This may sound wierd, but they seem more concerned with making cases and being active than I remember from their town meta. Yes, I get this is what town are supposed to be like, but it just feels off to me.

Om has 10 pages of meta on me. This is not very much, this is also very wrong from what I remember but thats not really the issue.

Om knows this;

Of course, this could just be me being fail and forgetting half of their town meta, if that's the case, then just disregard this.

He knows that he doesn't really have adequate meta to be accurate so throws in an out when his meta read is challenged.

He cant possibly think he knows 'half my town meta' from ten pages let alone my full meta.

He then tries to defend his read with '10 pages is enough' then what was the point in the above quote? he surely knows my meta because 10 pages is enough, so why the doubt that he might not? Its because he knows its not enough.

His read is completely fabricated. His general read list shows a complete lack of reads bar gut and fake meta reads. Meta reads and gut reads require very little commitment, leaving him open for change later which is further backed up by his 'I could be wrong though if so disregard!' They are also very easy to invent as scum requiring little explanation.

His reaction to my vote is bad, he tries to get me to post content for which he can defend himself instead of just explainign a town read (vijay) which could have helped read him. It also shows a great hypocrisy that he can have gut reads that he doesn't need to explain but I can't

Basically hes scum.

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Om I am not metaing you
I have 10 pages of meta on you, I already know your meta. Right?

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om is calling me scum for meta reasons with no meta backup
hes scum
note; vote hopping is meta related, yet he uses it generally not in a meta sense which he should know I do as town... oh.

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doesnt matter who started it

you are saying its a scumtell when you should know its not in this case based on your previous arguments. Or did you just bs your meta read on me? (this)

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Vote hopping can be a scumtell depending no the context.
it is a scumtell when you do it during the day with no deadlines nearby and no clear reason.

Obviously you were insinuating this

I see it as scum vote hopping.

as shown here

Therefore you are saying I am scum for vote hopping, I am scum based on meta, yet my meta says votehopping = town.

You cant use meta when it suits you and not when it doesnt. (well you can when you are scum, or try to)

or you want to admit you dont know my meta and just fabricated your read on me again making you scum... (this is the case)

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Town dont just fabricate reads.

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Meta reads are very easy to makeup to look like you are scumhunting.

He defends himself from me saying 10pages is clearly not enough to meta someone on but later wants me to meta him, which shows complete hypocrisy as if his read is good, I have the same meta on him as he on me therefore I know his meta like he knows mine. Yet it shows he knows 10pages isnt enough. Making him scum.

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I have 10 pages on you, you have 10 pages on me.

Why should I need more pages than you to get an accurate meta read?

The hypocrisy is ridiculous

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I have 10 pages on you

Because 10 pages in any game is enough for my meta.

So, I have my 10 pages, you have yours. I know your meta.

Why are you telling me to go and read a different game?

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EDIT: Because now I'm trying to show you that I act the same way in all of my games, so 10 pages will be enough to meta me.

I have 10 pages on you. You have 10 pages on me.

Why should I read another 10 making it me 20 you 10 when you say that 10 is enough to know my whole meta? I have 10, by your logic, I know your whole meta. Are you telling me I need 20 pages because 10 isnt enough? then why do you have a meta read on me which you have defended for the last 4 pages? You are admitting 10 pages isnt enough but yet say it is.

Contradiction in logic.

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Kass is just a pl and this is how he always plays any assumptions to the contrary are wrong.

He is prob scum though based on poe a bit and his jokey turned serious vote.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kass

I see no downside to this, at all.

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Chrim/Kass makes a ton of sense

I was going to say when I voted kass chrim is a likely buddy but that reaction is just gold.

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OK

OMGUS.

Is there a point to this post?

Why does it matter that I voted someone whos voting me exactly?

Kass is just a pl and this is how he always plays any assumptions to the contrary are wrong.

He is prob scum though based on poe a bit and his jokey turned serious vote.

Translation:
Kass is town because he is playing his town meta.
But he's probably scum because I can't decide if he was joking or not...

OR... Kass is scum because he is playing his scum meta.
(Kass is a pl)
Why the jump to the conclusion of town? do you think Kass is town?

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I did not know what to expect, and he didn't really react. A weak reaction at most, I'm pinning it as trying to evade or ignore it. Ergo, scum points.

Chrimi and reaction testing:

I think you are town but im voting you untill you meet my demands.
Pressure by calling said person town; 0. Noone is going to actually stick to a vote on someone they think is town IF they are town themselves.
What reaction would be a town reaction to a no pressure vote exactly Chrimi? coming at you guns blazing? thats a strong reaction right? so thats town? doesnt seem to make much sense especially the tone of your OMGUS post recently.

So my reaction was always destined to get scumpoints wasn't it? your test was not impartial, thereby making you scum.

also explain the benefits of voting me for being antitown over kass for being antitown? who is being more antitown hm?

Oh but whatever alignment kass is as scum you want to keep him alive...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chrimi

this guys scum hes just been posting reactionary stuff and done approximately 0 scumhunting.

It actually makes more sense hes defending kass due to kass being useless so as scum he wants to keep him around rather than being buddies, the connection between the 2 is too obvious.

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so noone else sees chrimis reaction as absolutely ott ridiculous to my kass vote?

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like what he said doesnt even make sense its just a bunch of useless last minute 'no wais is kass scum lolz'

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Meet... your... demands?

Bahaha! That's hilarious!

You don't reply to me when I vote or ask you to, and now you expect me to meet your demands?

You make me laugh.

You seem confused. I dont have a townread on you, I never have, some of your posting is less than stellar some borderline obvscum.

You were the one who voted me untill I met your demands when you called me town, I was showing the sheer pointlessness in what you were doing. There is no pressure when you say you have townread hence why there is no reaction. The fact you dont realise this shows you should not be reaction testing to begin with... or you are scum.

I have scumhunted, I've found you and you only seem to feed my suspicion.

If you find my test impartial, that makes my test bad, not me scum.

Scum motivation for impartial test; easy way to say ok x gains scumpoints for y. When x could never gain townpoints the test is rigged benefiting only scum. Ie you.

You seem to think doing anything makes anybody scum. Somebody gets replaced- must be scum. Somebody defended their town read- must be buddying scum. Everything is scum to you. Also, if you know kass is scum and you think there's a possibility I'm town who wants to keep him alive, then kill kass not me. Serious lack of logic.

You think everyones scum isn't that what you have been saying? oh right. Suits you then but not now so better drop that argument?

Also, I have town reads, I just dont flaunt them. I gained them by pressing certain people.

Also, you saying that me voting my town read makes no sense and I must be scum- though you're doing it yourself.

This should be now explained as wrong. I understand any misunderstanding caused. I never said you voting a townread makes no sense... It makes sense but only if you don't tell them they are a townread at which point your actions are pointless a bit like calling a pressure vote a pressure vote.

Also, the point to my 'omgus' post was because your post REEKS of omgus. He says he thinks you and somebody is scum- and you vote him right away. Perhaps they were on to you? And then, I call you out on it and I'm voting you and think you're scum- so you come up with some bullshit reasons that must make me scum.

Hes been calling me scum all game, this is an unfounded accusation. Your reaction to my Kass vote is actually laughable.

He clearly is just parroting what others are saying. This is why I had enough of him.

Oh, you make me laugh so hard. If he was my scumbuddy, I would never defend him, because that's an obvious tell.

Which is why I voted you. I worked this out. I worked out you as scum (maf or wolf) would want him alive as hes useless. There is still the chance you are buddies, but likelyhood is you are scum with an agenda to keep the useless people who are not members of your team alive.

Nom and Slandaar, I would like your cases on eachother. I prefer not one sentence, although that is effective, I want to see everything you've got.

Chrimi wants to escalate things between two people not members of his team thereby ensuring he and his friend(s) are safe.

Now, can we find another trail to go down? This one is going nowhere and the amount of information is running out.

The cases are not made and so we get to this. Why must others start the trail? Why doesn't Chrimi? He wants to sit back and do nothing chirping in every now and then... seems like scum.

Chrimis ISO shows no proactiveness, he sits and responds/posts thoughts on things he doesn't engage in anything... hes scum.

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Chrimi is definitely scum here hes misrepping deliberately.

OK

I am the seer

Om is very bad, but hes town probably. Thomith is town. Kondi is town. Asher is probably town. thats 5/7 town. Lynching scum shouldnt be too hard. Lynching dr or Chrimi is definitely the best bet.

Never seen Elmo post so much, not sure what that means. Maybe town.

Dont vote any of my townreads meaning the only wagon available is Chrimi or start your own.

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asher explain to me the point in not claiming seer if i am the seer seems like nail in coffin right?

also I never said anything like you re suggesting in point 2

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I will get killed tonight

We should lynch Chrimi

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no im giving my reads because my death is imminent 1 way or the other

ergo im town

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look its very very likely all 4 of us are town purely based on how much we have posted and the speed at which we respond to each other.

we need to vote together.

Get on Chrimi or Kass

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You also need to realise how things escalated for no reason when I voted om which makes him the 1 who could be scum in the group.

But it is unlikely, I have never seen scum respond so fast to things.

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Kondi is town because he seemed genuinely offended that I thought this was his scum game.

Elmo as I said, prob town based on post quantity, never seen him do that so could change but for now we need to lynch one of the others

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Of course you think chrimi is town, hes buddied you. Did his town read on you make any sense? nope, it didnt.

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Asher is town

hes just being stupid unfortunately.

Stop infighting

We need to lynch the scum not town.

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scum dont push legit claims like ever without a lot of town backing, which you dont have.

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benefits to lynching me: 0

benefits to lynching someone else: we might actually lynch scum today.

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they were in my town reads when I claimed which was before the online bit so stop misrepping.

Now

We need to lynch scum

Chrimi/Dr/Kass

doesnt matter which really they all prob end up flipping scum.

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Chrimi explain

When did you meta read Kass

When did you read a scum game of his?

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dr is a really good lynch btw

like really good

he hasnt done anything except started RQS then gone completely quiet

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I looked up all of the games (still on the site) of all of the players. That's when.

including me?

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So you think this is my scumgame?

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Kass is probably scum via POE
here are the town I might be wrong on the odd 1...
Me/Thomith/Om/Asher/Kondi
and maybe Elmo

thats 6/7 town

therefore chance of Kass being scum is 5/6 if im right or maybe 4/6 if im wrong on someone (elmo or om)

Kass at this point is a good lynch. A PL who very likely is scum is a good lynch. Especially now the chance of me investigating him and living is about 0

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In a game I found you as town, you actually gave REASONS.

That does not sound like me, also, to know if the reasons are 'logical' in said game implies you read the whole game or your perception is skewed.

Which one are you talking about?

Also I like how you say you looked at all my games and then here say you read 1 game where I gave legit reasons in my many town games

Seems like scum pretending they meta'd me...

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meh quote fails

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not a desperation claim

legit claim to at least try and salvage something from the day before I get nked

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I looked up all of the games (still on the site) of all of the players

I meta one game per player

Nice try but you are clearly lying.

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What we have learnt this game;
Chrimi and Om do not know how to meta, at all.

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Chrimi I hate no player or playstyle.

Show me the game you read which one was it?

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None of your reasons made any sense

You never did find that quote btw (it doesnt exist)

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lynching town today is very bad people dont seem to grasp this.

I am town. I die today odds are 5:3:2 tomorrow with no seer. If Kass is town guess who gets lynched? town have basically lost from there.

Why are people even debating lynching me? if you are town just stop.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kass

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What I dont understand is why people dont just say 'oh ok lets vote someone else' then wolves have to kill me because from their pov im never being lynched...
Then if I dont die you lynch me tomorrow... like that is the best play clearly from towns perspective.

The issue is why certain people dont realise this.
Dr in particular. (hes scum)

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5 pages ago?

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dr lack of paying attention is telling.

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does not seem possible

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If I was a wolf why would I bother pushing the game forward so much?

Doesnt make a lot of sense does it.

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what? that day 1 was like 100 pages long and I had 300 odd posts

Vijay is scum

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yeah vijay trying to push a fake meta argument looks really bad on him

He is scum guaranteed.

He using meta should know I like moving my vote around. Therefore why is he voting me? exactly hes scum.

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Town

Dr/Chrimi/Vijay scum

Probably Kass too

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Fat Tony maybe also 'see you day 2' before flip seems like wolftalk

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Dont lynch kass tomorrow

Lynch dr/chrimi/vijay

Kass is being called town by dr/chrimi which is actually ridiculous thereby making them scum defending a weak player (buddying) or they are just buddies. But dont lynch the buddy lynch the buddier.

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Also as im town

These 3;

Om/Chrimi/Vijay are scum or cant meta

Vijay is scum, Chrimi very very likely scum, I think Om is bad town who doesnt understand meta he posts and responds too fast to questioning to be scum I think.

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Yeah this game was pretty fun

Kondi saying he had notes then not having notes probably cost wolves the game.

Ya, you were really obv to me Asher, but I read your huge wall in spoilers. I expect others didnt.