Open 387: Jungle Republic (Day 6 - ends in a Town Victory)

[Thomith]

Ok read about half of the thread so far, the RQS questions are kind of weird, half of them i understand but half of them seem not to help us at all, so i guess i will answer the ones which i see reasons for along with anything else i want to add in my next post.

slandaar being completely against them is a little weird, as there were some which is i guess talking about the game, but things like the tangent one really had no purpose.

[Thomith]

ok so im just gunna summarise stuff from the questions i agree with. (i have no clue how many games i have played, lets just say alot.)
I prefer being scum to town as for some reason i prefer being an informed minority, also scum do have a lesser chance to win as only wolves have a kill, but on the other hand it is 5 anti town vs 7 townies so that arguement goes out the window really. slandaar, kondi would be prefered scumpartners for me as idk, i just think their play is not much different as town or scum, and finaly WIFOM can be confusing but i try to use it but use it carefully, as using it right can bag you scum.

now thats over some reads-
asher earned scumpoints off the bat for doing nothing but answering questions in the first post, but that is a null tell at the moment if anything.
while i am looking over asher #76 seems that it could be a confused townie? i don't know but answering a quote that is not meant for you can be done by townies, but it is also easy to pull as scum.

LBJ did the same thing as asher but it was nearer the start of the game so i can understand it more, but he didnt really explain why on any of the answers which could be scum trying not to slip.

semi-FOS on kass

first post, no content at all, not even an answer to RQS until asked in her second post, and again no real content there.

dany gained scumpoints same reasons as previous 3, blah blah blah.

Bag joking about being scum kind of makes me get a gut town read, as usually newbtown say things like that, but yeah it's gut and he didnt really start off with any content so the gut read means little atm, but what i am going to ask,
Bag if RQS isn't anti-town then why didn't you answer the questions right away?

@slandaar i don't understand how #79's logic makes kondi scum, and wasn't it shotgun who asked the questions in the first place, or am i imagining this?

#81 lol why you reaching vijay? from the post it seems that you were saying the reasoning was bad but then you used it yourself.

#82 kondi its called WIFOM, a werewolf could only mention mafia so they dont look like a werewolf, so that arguement is invalid.

Think i covered everything, if i missed something point me to it so yeah, also i do agree that RQS is not anti-town if the questions are not dumb and have no game related aspects to them at all, which is why i only summarised things from the questions which i thought were worth answering.


(on a fun note i thought i deleted all of this by pressing home before i was done)

[Thomith]

forgot my vote.
VOTE: kass
hardly any content at all thus far, unless her 4th post was a joke she says kondi is scummy but keeps vote on slandaar.

[Thomith]

If you FOS slandaar why aren't you voting him, but instead keep your RVS vote on that you had from the begining of the game? If you actually believe LBJ is scum why haven't you made this completely clear before, and if you did when did you?

[Thomith]

but towns strongest power is their vote and voice right? If you are town why aren't you using this power? If nobody voted, we wouldn't get anywhere, votes apply pressure.

Of course i am not telling you to L-1 everyone because you are "using your vote" but this early people can crumble under pressure, if you suspect someone the most put pressure on them in hopes they crumble or do something to prove you right.

[Thomith]

even if asher is a noob i think he could be scum now, he seems to not want to apply pressure, which is what town want to do, kass seems like a better vote for me atm, but i also have my eye on asher right now.

[Thomith]

pressure can make scum crumble and slip, of course you want to lynch scum, but you have no way of knowing who scum are without applying pressure, and when will the time come? Today? Tommurrow? Next week? What do you define the "right type of pressure" and when are you going to use it?

[Thomith]

@shotgun, i did the reads one at a time, and then was going to vote afterwards, and my reads so far has kass as the scummiest player in my eyes, so i voted.

@vijay, but you acted like the logic failed so why did you want to use it yourself?

@Xfactor the thing is with a vote the person has chance to defend against it, to either prove you wrong or right, a vigilante kill does not give the attacked chance to defend so it is different.

[Thomith]

Chrimi does make a good point, that by using slandaars logic about only knowing werewolf mechanics but not mafia mechanics that he "must be a werewolf"
kind of a null/scum tell, but i prefer my vote on kass.

[Thomith]

that by using slandaars logic about only knowing werewolf mechanics but not mafia mechanics that he "must be a werewolf"

nice vote btw, can you explain so i can defend myself or no?

[Thomith]

how so?

[Thomith]

Fair point about the assumption thing, i guess town would assume both scum had a nk but im not trying to get ash to vote YOU specifically, i am saying that town want to use their vote for pressure, and he should vote who he suspects, its not like im saying "OH YEAH VOTE SLANDAAR" specifically i am saying he should vote who he suspects if he thinks they are scum.

[Thomith]

If i get accused i try to prove the accusation wrong because i know i am town.

[Thomith]

kass do you have any reads so far?

[Thomith]

care to explain why? So far this game you have done very little, and all i have seen is you voting slandaar post 1 and then not changing it with little reasons why it stayed.

[Thomith]

idk, i guess slandaar has been votehopping but doesn't he always do that? I don't like that for most of the votes (other than the one on me) he hasn't really explained them, but i still want you to tell my why he is scum, as telling me to look over him isn't explaining.

[Thomith]

What i meant by that is you don't explain the vote in the post you vote or posts before you vote, the bag vote is an example of this.

[Thomith]

i don't see anything that is really different about kondi than there normally is, but the last post (about lurker town lose game as town but good if he is scum) could be read as being town trying to get people to post or WIFOMing scum trying to look like that.

you had a reason which i feel was the only real good reason for voting me than the others, as the others were not really explained at all, even if you had to be pushed to explain your vote on me, i felt it was the only vote which had a decent reason.

[Thomith]

Ok what im saying is that some of your votes like bag and shotgun you dont explain it when you vote and when you are pushed to explain it it isn't that good of a reason, but on me it was different, as when pushed you had an ok reason.

[Thomith]

Looking back i explained it wrong as to what i meant, but what i just posted is what i intended to begin with.

[Thomith]

or even worth mentioning, just thought I would put it out there.

because that isn't contradictory at all.

also if you have a town read, which you mention twice in your slandaar vote, then why are you voting slandaar? For reaction testing, which you say is a town tell. What?

[Thomith]

i kind of agree it might just be useless town, but i dont see motivation to having a jokey RVS vote and what seems like pretending that you have a reason for it but don't really explain it or follow it through.

[Thomith]

a weird thing, dany was on today but didn't post, and i am also sure i saw him viewing this forum earlier as well, this might not mean anything but it is a bit weird considering he has only 2 posts and there is definately at least something to talk about now...

Small-FOS dany

[Thomith]

I never told you to keep it to yourself. I find it weird that you voted for a town read even though it was a reaction test, as if you have them as town why would you need to test their reactions?

[Thomith]

hm... i've seen kondi post on another game but not on here today, maybe the same as dany? Find it a bit weird how BOTH of them have been around but haven't posted here.

[Thomith]

when can we expect a content post then?

[Thomith]

Why kass? why is slandaar scum? I want a detailed explanation why.

[Thomith]

i dislike metaing as it can often be wrong if used solely by itself. If you want to meta me at least have other reasons if you are going to suspect me for it. This time only i will answer, yes i flipped town in that game.

[Thomith]

ok um, idanyboy is like scum.

care to explain this?

[Thomith]

ok um, idanyboy is like scum.

care to explain this?

because I get scumreads on him.

why do you have scumreads on him? Could you explain, as you and kass have reads that you haven't explained from what i can see.

[Thomith]

because I get scumreads on him.

you said it.

@slandaar i'm not sure to be honest, he hasn't done much but says he will make a content post soon which i am looking forward to.

[Thomith]

le sigh. Hopefully now the dany slot will be readable, shame you had to replace out though :/.

[Thomith]

Happy Easter

Seriously?...

^ this.

also idany and kass are as scummy as each other imo, with kass doing a slight bit more but the voting of slandaar seems terrible to me atm.

FOS dany

though.

also i get where you are coming from chrimi, but do you have any scum reads as imo you should be reaction testing them, not someone who you think/thought was generally towny.

[Thomith]

ok kass explain why slandaar is scummy, as you are still yet to.

also om, you can't call slandaar out for not explaining a gut read when you also haven't explained yours.
UNVOTE: VOTE: om of the nom
i have a gut scum read on you.
discuss.

[Thomith]

a gut read is a gut read, i dont see the difference.

[Thomith]

gut reads are reads you

CAN'T EXPLAIN.

[Thomith]

a question for you, am i as scummy as slandaar?

[Thomith]

i mean about the gut read thing.

[Thomith]

ummm... i'm pretty much using the same reason as slandaar.

[Thomith]

reaching much?

[Thomith]

vote hopping isn't a scum-tell, just saying.
Also i'm fine with either a om or slandaar lynch today, their interactions to me seem like at least one of them is scum, om has the edge atm for the gut read arguement. That and i don't know how many votes slandaar has and i don't want to hammer yet.

[Thomith]

vote hopping can be townie if you do it for pressure, which i am pretty sure slandaar is doing. But WIFOM and all that jazz can turn it into a scumtell so yeah...

[Thomith]

vote hopping every post doesn't. vote hopping with reasons every post sort of does. vote hopping with reasons but not every post does.

[Thomith]

vote hopping with reasons every post sort of does.

[Thomith]

even if it doesn't apply pressure i don't see it as being more of a scumtell than you reaching.

p-edit kondi hasn't really been here but i find him a bit scummy but unsure, when he gets back i should get a solid read on him.

[Thomith]

1- voting slandaar for the gut arguement thing, which im sure i already explained
2- i know you didn't start it but you went along with it, but this vote hopping arguement sucks as it can be read either way.

[Thomith]

sorry meant to say FOS there.
I just happen to be reading it as null. is there anything wrong with that?

[Thomith]

pretty sure when om replaced in and pretty much said he suspected (was "wary" of, so pretty much a gut scum read) on kondi and slandaar.

[Thomith]

oh and nom cant you read where i said I KNOW YOU DIDN'T START IT but you are pushing it so the point stays.

[Thomith]

still a suspicion.
also you can not 100% clear someone as town in this setup, sorry.

[Thomith]

clear means not scum so it is 100%, someone being "clear" to you is a town read.

[Thomith]

then let's just agree that our definition of "clear" is different then and agree to disagree.

also kass, unless i missed it you still haven't explained why you found slandaar scummy before all this happened, could you explain please?

[Thomith]

but if you meta slandaar you see he nearly always vote-hops, so that arguement is invalid.

[Thomith]

why are you so sure he isn't scum that messed up? Bad meta to me is a scumtell, not a towntell.

[Thomith]

he's had chance to back down
he hasn't
slandaar ALWAYS votehops, so meta properly
my vote stays.

[Thomith]

what i am saying is that the om and slandaar interaction means i would be willing to lynch either to get an interaction read on the other, and how does it imply that i know slandaar is scum? Also vote hopping isn't a scumtell, as long as you have even slight reasons for each vote, which slandaar seems to have.

[Thomith]

i don't? still doesn't make it a scumtell.

[Thomith]

om are you seriously OMGUS FOSing me now?

[Thomith]

What's there to OMGUS about from Om to you, Thomith?

i don't understand this question i assume you mean what is there for om to OMGUS me for? If so then i already stated a gut scum read on him ages ago, him suddenly switching me from a town to scum read seems like OMGUSing to me.

[Thomith]

i see where you are coming from, but he said i was still town when i "agreed with slandaar" on my reasoning for a vote, and other than that i don't see where i agreed with slandaar.

[Thomith]

om says im scummy because i am "agreeing with slandaar" where as from what i can see that is the only time which i agreed with him and he said he still thought i was towny then.

[Thomith]

i am saying he is flailing all over the place, he is saying i am scum for agreeing with slandaar but the only time in which i did it he said he still thought i was town for it.
and i am not freaking out sorry to disappoint.

[Thomith]

can you show me every time where i agreed with slandaar, saying i keep agreeing with him but giving no examples is giving me no way to defend myself which is anti-town, also i only see one time where i did this so i would like to see other examples.

[Thomith]

Agreeing with someone a couple of times is fine,

thats not what you kept saying. On the same note i could say chrimi is buddying up to you, because he is doing the same thing about you than i about slandaar.

[Thomith]

in the same way then your gut reads on slandaar and kondi makes you scum.
Don't misrep my logic.
gut reads don't count because they are gut, you gave a reason that makes me look scummy but yet gave no example, that is what i mean.
and i am not saying chrimi is scum, i am saying it is wrong to accuse one person of something when others are doing the same/similar things.

p-edit nope. i am only defending slandaar against your meta arguement because your meta fails as you have not done it properly.

[Thomith]

but not giving examples gives me nothing to defend against so it is anti-town as you are not giving me chance to prove you wrong while you make me look bad as i cant do anything to prove you wrong and detract the point.

[Thomith]

asher, when you talk about kass in the spoiler tag you say "hello wolfie wolfie" infering her being a werewolf, when we have two scumgroups in the game, what made you assume werewolf?

[Thomith]

kass stop ignoring me please and answer my question from like when i first replaced into this game which i have asked at least 5 times now.

[Thomith]

Slandaar and u i think are scum team.
supporting.
ANd my vote stays

WHY though? You have yet to explain properly.

[Thomith]

care to explain other than sheep vijay?
also i am not going to stop asking kass until they give even a slight reason, it is not helping town by going "SLANDAAR IS SCUM OH AND YOUR THE BUDDY" every post.

[Thomith]

whats that meant to mean?

[Thomith]

vijay slandaar has posted now so i want that explanation please.
also chrimi is a gut town read to me as he is playing how town generally do so...

[Thomith]

this is just an assumption but i believe by you "voting a town read" chrimi meant you voting kass, not sure though.

[Thomith]

the thing that i have a problem with the slandaar wagon is that i have a gut scum read (kass) and another very scummy person to me (om) on the wagon, also that one of the main reasons is that slandaar is vote hopping when that is not even a scumtell if most or all of the votes have reasons.

[Thomith]

why does it matter if he is blaming you, and if doesn't say it makes you scum why do you need to ask?
Paranoia?

[Thomith]

Why are you assuming the read is mafia then? Also i doubt that "shit being dumped on you" would have much to do with any read.

[Thomith]

or a null read?

[Thomith]

but why did you assume it was a flat out scum read?

[Thomith]

that makes sense... owait >.>.
You "forgot" null reads existed, how convenient for you...

[Thomith]

ummm.... no.
you assumed he was calling you scum even when he wasn't, that seems like paranoid play to me, now it could be paranoid town, but the way you have attacked me for bringing it up makes me think it is paranoid scum.

[Thomith]

ask him what he means or wait to see if he brings it up again? not "OMG IM NOT SCUM"

[Thomith]

if you were town why would you have cared though, towns main objective is to find scum, not to look town.
Also "does it make me scum" is the towny looking way of saying "OMG IM NOT SCUM"

[Thomith]

you wanted a solid opinion... it just looked like you freaked out to me but...

[Thomith]

I'll need alot of convincing for you to convince me om is town.
Also can we unvote now then, we really shouldnt lynch a claimed seer day 1.

[Thomith]

that makes sense.
"i still think you could be scum, but i believe your

Seer

claim"
wutwutwutwutwutwutwut.

[Thomith]

If you have a seer claim day 1 then you don't lynch it, obviously this doesn't clear slandaar, but with 2 scum reads of mine (1 now i guess but still) i was wary of the wagon to begin with.
If we lynch slandaar and he does flip seer then effectively we are getting rid of the only town role that can catch them (easily?) and giving them a free shot.

[Thomith]

nope om, you said you believed slandaar but still suspect him.

[Thomith]

if slandaar is seer wolves will probably kill him tonight, meaning lynching him could be a wasted lynch, also it isn't really anti-town play if he is going to get lynched anyway.
This slandaar wagon just got a whole lot worse and i feel there is at least one scum on it, the reasoning for it plus the current arguements to lynch it despite the claim are just bad bad bad.

[Thomith]

or at least if slandaar is not a wolf that is claiming seer @ my first point.

[Thomith]

if slandaar is so obviously scum asher why aren't you voting? You obviously disagree with my reasoning and think slandaar is scum anyway so whats the hold up? Cold feet?

semi-FOS asher

[Thomith]

because "i believe the claim" and "we shouldn't lynch him yet" are exactly the same thing, right om?

[Thomith]

atm im not voting chrimi, i would be willing to lynch one of asher/kass/om today, as i already said, lynching the seer is a wasted lynch, because if they are a seer or not a wolf then they will most likely die tonight.
also i might buy the slandaar being not a seer easier if they randomly claimed, but they were L-1 and was about to get lynched, which really most power roles would claim then, if you were seer you probably would have too.

[Thomith]

actually, that vote seemed like a "oh shit im being suspected for not voting, better lay down my vote quick!"
UNVOTE: VOTE: asher
correct me if i'm wrong, but i dont think you had any intentions of voting until i called you up on it.

[Thomith]

im not calling you out for voting, im calling you out for voting when called out on and for voting even though in this situation it is stupid (imo of course)

[Thomith]

I semi see your point but i disagree,
your right, he could be werewolf saving his skin, but what if he's not? Werewolves would be stupid to leave a seer alive to get even one report off, meaning if slandaar is seer lynching him give the wolf a free kill, by lynching someone else if slandaar is seer werewolves pretty much have to kill slandaar.

[Thomith]

True, but even then the seer would have at least one report we could go on if they are the seer, and if they arent then we still get the scum lynch so risk=reward in this situation imo.

[Thomith]

mod you have vijay voting twice

modedit: Oops, sorry about. FIXED

[Thomith]

He could be scum or Werewolf

fake-claiming scum to get town cred.

ummmm.... wut?

i think it is obvious i don't want to lynch slandaar today.

[Thomith]

with the claim some people might realize what i am saying does make sense, but meh.

[Thomith]

Nope chrimi.
Towns main objective is to find scum, not stay alive, also i'm a bit unsure on a chrimi lynch, i certainly suspect them a bit for still trying even with the seer claim, if there is a seer dont cc of course but i already explained all this...
would still prefer an asher/om/kass lynch, leaning asher/kass atm though.

[Thomith]

but they should be focusing on the main objective, if you die then if you have reads your main objective can still be fulfilled, only time where town should try to not look scummy would be lylo imo but thats just me.

[Thomith]

thing is, even if slandaar is scum we could benefit here, the reward outweighs the risk.
If we lynch someone else we can get better reads than a nightkill
if slandaar is seer werewolves would have to kill him, otherwise the town would get an investigate.

If we do this and slandaar lives we could talk about lynching him, but day 1 seems a little dumb imo.

[Thomith]

can i ask why kass is a town read? they are just coasting through and not explaining any of their reasoning.

[Thomith]

meta is bad, also if we are going on meta i remember reading a kass scum game and they play the same, so their play probably doesn't vary.

[Thomith]

Chrimi - who other than slandaar would you want to lynch?

[Thomith]

i dislike your tunnel vision, i have explained why a different lynch could be useful today, and if slandaar is really seer then we have 2 dead town with 0 chance of dead scum day 2, if they are not we at least have a chance of 1 dead scum but meh.

[Thomith]

what is your meta read on me then metaman?

[Thomith]

why are we even discussing policy lynches?

[Thomith]

wow you really don't know how to meta do you chrimi, why meta a newbie game where peoples game is more prone to be a little different due to less activity?

also asher i voted you because i felt you only voted when pressured, yes i said you should vote, but your sland vote just seemed like a "oh fuck better vote" with little reasoning.

[Thomith]

also my original post still stands, i dont mind a kass lynch today, as they are a scum read, but really any of the om/kass/asher trio is fine by me.

[Thomith]

what i meant was it seemed that you just decided "OH SHIT I NEED TO VOTE" yes you said why sland was scum, but you never actually VOTED until i called you up on it.

[Thomith]

ok, an asher lynch probably wont happen, and looking back i don't have as much as i thought i did on them so for now
UNVOTE:

[Thomith]

Ok so shotgun seems to be tunneling hard on slandaar, (can you re-state your reasons?) and trying to speculate/determine scums nightkills (this better have been a joke)
VOTE: kass
Kass jumped on the slandaar wagon as an RVS vote, and then never changed, and the only reason they vote slandaar is for vote hopping and voting him, which to me isn't enough to go LOLYOURSCUM. Kass looks like a coaster, and if slandaar flips scum because of the weak reasons kass brought up kass might be the buddy.

[Thomith]

your not tunneling on him though, you just voted him and kept your vote there and only just explained why you voted him.

[Thomith]

lol. I voted slandaar because he is 1

Also you voted during RVS, so how would you know this then?
Get kass not slandaar please.

[Thomith]

Get kass slandaar.

So chrimi, i didn't say this so mind telling me why you changed what i said in this quote?
I said something on the lines of "i would prefer to get kass instead of slandaar" and this changes the meaning a little, which i don't like.

[Thomith]

so chrimi by "pointing it out" you decided to change the meaning?
That doesn't work buddy.
VOTE: Chrimi

FOS:Kass

You vote with no reasoning at all and explain pretty much nothing, if chrimi didn't change the meaning of one of my posts my vote would be on you, so be more useful please.

[Thomith]

Another seer claim...
Also kondi as you claimed i find it odd that you wont reveal your result, or at least not setting a date, because if the day ends before you out your result then we just have a dead seer and no result (assuming you are the seer) Not saying you should out it now, i am saying the "end of the day" is too vague and likely that it will get forgotten.

kass i want explanations. Thanks.

[Thomith]

Kondi, you were saying slandaar was town yesturday, but he claimed seer, if you ARE the seer then why did you still act like slandaar was town as he would have been lying would he have not?
UNVOTE:
i would vote but L-1 early in the day probably wont help much.

Also chrimi you viewed me and slandaar as a scumteam so you changed the meaning of one of my posts to make it more believable?
VOTE: chrimi

[Thomith]

by changing mine?

[Thomith]

Then how does it add to your point by adding false evidence to it?

[Thomith]

Answer my question, why did you seemingly find slandaar town even though they effectively countered you?

[Thomith]

you said they were town and that we should acted like we should have unvoted, which seems a bit strong in that situation.

[Thomith]

Then how does it add to your point by adding false evidence to it?

answer chrimi, don't ignore it.

[Thomith]

but you changed the meaning of what i said, so you were adding false evidence by making me look bad by mis-quoting me.

[Thomith]

i have questioned kondi on that too, but he really hasn't answered properly imo, kondi please explain why you thought the seer claim was "towny" even though you are the "seer"?

[Thomith]

i luled.
Guess it was pretty obvious but oh well.

[Thomith]

I have a feeling one of them is a bus and the other is mafia.

So you think both kass and chrimi are some kind of mafia?

also elmo, the others have a point, in the post that was quoted you seemed to know kondi was a wolf, and now you said "oh nobody was sure" that doesn't add up, and the seer claim makes me want to vote you more,
does anyone have any objections to me putting elmo at L-1?

[Thomith]

Could you explain why what i said seems scummy, because if we have time to discuss, and we are going to use that time, then whats the point in ending it?

[Thomith]

Before i vote elmo, i want to make absaloutely sure we are happy to end the day, if not then tell me.

[Thomith]

It could work, on the threat of death we could controll his nightkill, although he could screw us over by killing asher, but i'm not sure many people will agree on that.

[Thomith]

I understand where you are coming from, but there is pro town in it as it can be seen similar to what happened in my mayo clinic claim where the SK claimed and said they would be a vig for town, although we can't completely trust them as they are still scum with the threat of death we could controll the kill, however there is a difference here that there is no protection role to protect our pretty much clear, so i am in favor of lynching elmo, but was just throwing it out there.

[Thomith]

I think it is obvious who the lynch is, so i am willing to put it at L-1 if nobody objects, as i doubt we will get much descussion done with a confirmed wolf.

[Thomith]

then i guess it is settled, and i was just asking in case we wanted to discuss anything else, plus you voiced concerns earlier, so wanted to make sure.

VOTE: elmo

[Thomith]

kass, dont ignore your "post", you have yet to give reason for the vote and you are not getting off so easily this time, also can you explain your posts please, you are just throwing out stuff and not explaining it.

[Thomith]

your really bad

really bad as in scummy, or really bad as in play style?
Could you try to explain things that could be taken more than one way?

[Thomith]

but you changed the meaning so if anything it made people take the point less seriously.
Also kass for once could you answer my questions?

[Thomith]

as this has stagnated i am willing to hammer if nobody else has anything to say.

[Thomith]

I have already stated why i think you are scummy.

[Thomith]

I find it a little weird how as soon as i expressed interest to hammer om changed their vote, and voted me with a reason that was probably untrue at the time.

[Thomith]

the part when you acted like the chrimi wagon wasn't going anywhere, when it clearly was.

[Thomith]

om you are flailing too much, two of the lynches you have seemingly set up you think are town but you will lynch them anyway, lolwut?

[Thomith]

No, your misrepping me. I would not support a wagon on my townreads, which is why they are at the right of the list.
I would support a wagon on my scumreads, which is why they are on the left of the list.
I would not lynch my townreads unless I absolutely have to.

a bit convenient that all of them are suspected by one person or another,or am i "misrepping" you now?

[Thomith]

but every single person you have said you will put on your lynch order is suspected at least a bit, which seems a bit weird for me.

[Thomith]

kass i dont understand how we "lose" by lynching you but your "ok with dying"

[Thomith]

andrew, i gave reasons why keeping the seer alive was a good thing for us, the town, and i am pretty sure someone else said something similar.

[Thomith]

shouldn't you be trying to find both?
I understand the finding 2 town part but shouldn't you be looking for scum as well?

[Thomith]

actually chrimi, when om got hammered, i'm pretty sure i wasn't online, as i remember om being at L-2 or something when i left, and i was going to vote him when i get back.

out of fat/chrimi i prefer a chrimi vote, so

VOTE: chrimi

[Thomith]

or om was scum making it look like i was his buddy?

[Thomith]

So how come you didnt mention that when he was 'buddying' you

because i didn't know what he was going to flip, and he could have been town "buddying" to me.

[Thomith]

also unless you explain my "scummy looking play" then i cant explain why it looked scummy.

[Thomith]

so you are not going to let me prove you wrong and show you i am town? ummm...

[Thomith]

it wasn't an excuse, it was true, and if you are going to call me out as a buddy with someone, at least get your facts right.

[Thomith]

eh, i think my play sucked this game near the end, as i couldn't play how i normaly play to stay unnoticed, unfortunately i knew we had lost when we went into 5 v 1 lylo when i wasnt around to hammer om.

Mafia quicktopic - http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/caV5NgB9VqH3

[Thomith]

i had to find a way to worm out of a lynch, my plan was to get you mislynched then go "oh wait mafia could have bussed" and made a case on BK tony and kass to make me look like desperate town, i didn't plan on getting quicklynched though .

[Thomith]

I lol'd at all the Seer claiming this game.

btw i claim seer.

and asher i thought it was weird but thought you could just be a wolf but that was the only tell i had so i just ingored it. (next time someone counters you and you dont fullclaim don't do a 180, it makes it a little obvious )