Open 384 - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Psyche]

Badabam!

Hello, townies and losers, this'll be my useless post of the thread that is actually useful because it puts the thread in my egosearch.

I'll read the 9 pages presently and return with a vast array of probably unwarranted but highly thoughtful opinions.

This game will be fantastic and we will obviously win. I assume. I'll have a better judgment of that after my read!

[Psyche]

My god, this thread is such a circus! That's cool, though. Pretty cool. In a show of how even Apple products can be unreliable and annoying, my Safari app closed and deleted all my witty and insightful comments about this thread's contents. I'm still smiling. Inside.

Luckily, no shoddy programming can (yet) erase MY memory! Thoughts:


Om's Scum claim was wholly unlikeable but gets him the clear for today! You go, guy! You've earned it! But if the best thing you can do to help the town is claim scum, there's a not-so-subtle problem there.

It's good that RainbowDash is dead. Without batting an eye, she extrapolated outrageously extensive conclusions about the game from from enormously tiny samples of data. And even these extrapolations were poorly done, though at least presented in an astute fashion.
More than that, we now have the laws of probability more in our favor — our chances of mislynching fell by almost 3%, assuming our lynches are as good as randomly fixed.
And that's that with The Bright Side of Things.

Mindgamer's vote for Om is ill-thought. Does that mean it was a show of poor thinking, or of thinking intended to do ill? I dunno, but I greatly enjoyed that opportunity to use wordplay. Nullread. Also, lengthy posts tempt me toward the tl;dr button. But I'll stay strong. For ponies everywhere!

Metabot's solid, but uninteresting. Not particularly aggressive, insightful or protown. Yes, that was a challenge, Metabot. Problem, bro?

My, Hoko, what does it matter if I'm an INTP? And if you have a Pony chart (for Pete's sake!). You called out RainbowDash. Good thinking, there.

scum

So lets do this. We lynch hokori, then we lynch Vincent and then possibly Mindgamer, and then GG. Agreed?

VOTE: HOKO

No ifs? Just "let's lynch two people as fast as we can one after an another"? Your reason to lynching me is right up there with lynching people for voting in RVS.

VOTE: scooby

This, however, is unacceptable. What meh is this?

Om of the Nom (3) - andrew94, lane0168, Vincent2128
Mindgamer (2) - Naglfar, Om of the Nom
scooby (2) - hokorippoi, iStark
hokorippoi (2) - scooby, mindgamer
Meta has not voted.
Less then 16 hours left.
Until they are replaced, we have 2 perm votes. One on OM of the Nom, and one on Mindgamer.
Vin in on V/A so his vote could be perm too.
So they are pushed a little more. They are also more active. So they are more likely to put in a good ven kill if towny.
VOTE: Mindgamer

And then this masterful show of an attack against Mindgamer...
We have time, now. Why Mindgamer? And why not an answer to this question already implied in your posts?

iStark's parrot of Hoko's terrible point against scooby is scummy. Opportunistic as heck. But I need a better comprehension of his play before I can get rabid. Besides, what scum flakes? More posts plz.

Andrew's shit post is a great show of rhetoric, but I want more content. Town for now...

Vincent is mehful and his posts are quite possibly filler. A good potential lynch to follow up.

Scooby, naglfar, om — you guys are almost definitely town and could form a voting bloc right now. Do it! Your pluralistic unity will give you the oomf needed to get things done! I expect that I'll be joining you shortly once I prove my worth. /bad poker face

[Psyche]

Okay, Vincent's afk and iStark's been called town by town and his wagon is inexistent.

Obvchoice:

vote hoko

[Psyche]

Both the two new people are incredibly scummy to me. I'm going to get them lynched tomorrow, but right now, I think hoko's the best lynch.

Sure, sure. Meaning...vote hoko.

[Psyche]

Oh, and there is plenty of time to substantiate vague assertions of deep suspicion and intention to somehow orchestrate a double lynch. Go on, now...

Psyche I will totally welcome you to the townie voting block
Political Clout is town because of Naglfar.

How to say this? UR DOIN IT RONG.

Voting blocs need to contain unquestionably town players. Within that job description is the implication that players with two posts can't be admitted. Or at least that's what makes sense to me.

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Both the two new people are incredibly scummy to me. I'm going to get them lynched tomorrow, but right now, I think hoko's the best lynch.

Pretty much this.

Welcome to the game though.

Yeah, you've performed that same error that Metabot did. But also featuring astute parrot mimicry! Again.

Forced? What gives you that idea? That post flowed like diarhea.

[Psyche]

Both the two new people are incredibly scummy to me. I'm going to get them lynched tomorrow, but right now, I think hoko's the best lynch.

Pretty much this.

Welcome to the game though.

Yeah, you've performed that same error that Metabot did. But also featuring astute parrot mimicry! Again.

Forced? What gives you that idea? That post flowed like diarhea.

Parroting/agreeing to something =/= scummy.

Hoko did make sense so I call you scummy for just calling it bull & putting everyone in that scum team who agreed to him.

I don't always accuse someone of being scummy for being a parrot, but when I do, it's also because said parroting can be plausibly observed as a show of opportunism.

I acknowledge the possibility that you came into a thread, a world, perhaps, where no idea is new and the best you can do is submit your approval of them. Or even that you do sincerely approve of somewhat weaker ideas than what I might. But at the moment, I doubt that.

I put you on the scumteam with Hoko because QFTing a bad attack is even worse than making one.

[Psyche]

You mean your ongoing vote for scooby?

Say, what makes Clout scummy, then?

[Psyche]

Hoko, you have been attacked and even questioned. En garde!

iStark should clarify 241 and/or be lynched soon.

[Psyche]

It sounds like exactly what RainbowDash-town said. Who turned out to be town despite this apparently lynchable scumtell.

[Psyche]

Um...what?

[Psyche]

Ahem. Vote Hoko and lynch Vincent tomorrow.

[Psyche]

Ahem. Vote Hoko and lynch Vincent tomorrow.

What is it with people trying to setup mass rapid lynches. People have every right to talk day 2 before you try to push a wagon. The talk the day after is more importing then talk day 1. In a normal game You have information both from the lynch and the night kill. In this one we will have information from the lynch and maybe a 2nd kill if the Day 1 Lynch is town. Next we will get information form the 2nd day kill (if they do it).

Why don't you respond to my attack and questions?

[Psyche]

Okay, ths is all getting rather annoying. I'm going to go through a list of concerns.

1. Deadline. Guys, it is soon. Okay? And this thread is too slow for any late Day shenanigans to get any momentum. No one here is objecting to the hoko wagon (not even hoko). If you have an alternative, you'd better have a damned good attack and a wagon on your alternative needs to already exist. Redundant concern is redundant.

2. Clout, I like your thinking and find Vincent a great lynch target. In fact, given the right conditions (i.e, a later deadline), I'd be voting for him right now. But Vincent isn't available to discuss your points and I'd like to make the deadline. I will post a summarial case against Hoko after this post.

3. iStark, your attack on scooby is dirt. You simply cannot take posts like his literally. No one does. And no one is taking your attack seriously. Change votes.

4. Metabot. Hi. Guy who agrees that hoko is the best lynch. Have you considered voting for hoko? Hmmmmmmmmmm?
A nice explanation of your positions on the two scummy newcomers would be pretty baddass, too.

5. Vincent, you'll need to address your suitors and actually vote for someone. And I note that you promise a post today.

6. Hoko, please wake up and make your remaining moments here more interesting...

7. Everyone else...*snore*

[Psyche]

Actually, now that I've studied it further, the hoko wagon isn't that great and I can't in good faith continue to support it. Sorry.

unvote; vote vincent

Case forthcoming.

[Psyche]

I just realized that the game is nightless. -_-
There's more or less no strong consequence for no lynching, except we give the mafia an opportunity to use his second shot, which will actually increase our chances of ultimately lynching scum. Or am I mistaken?



Vincent's mehful and his posts seem like filler. He could be the shooter playing it cool so he'll be alive when it's time for shot two.

His biggest highlight is a crappy earlygame attack on meta for not voting on a vague suspicion of Om. -_-

He gives vague approval of andrew's Om vote and ultimately sheeps on it. He shows little interest in actually developing this wagon.

His play's been deliberately low-key and under the radar. His ideas are rarely meaningful or new. I think this is our scum.

[Psyche]

No lynch today means two kills on D2 with we having nothing to work on.

What two kills? There's going to be a second kill at some point unless the shooter goes V/LA as we lynch him.

I don't like the idea of a no lynch, certainly. A lynch has to happen for this game to move forward. Are you okay with a Vincent lynch, Stark?

[Psyche]

Oh, the Vengeance only works on D1. As some balancer to provide Town with info. Okay, then.

We need to lynch someone.

[Psyche]

I'll switch to hoko under the likely scenario that I have to.

[Psyche]

why hasn't vincent been lynched yet?

Momentum's missing.

[Psyche]

sorry for dissapearing

ive read quickly all that has happened during my time gone and all I can say is that Im extremely happy with the replacements because they look town as FUCK.

Let's fucking lytnch any one hoki, vincent or mindgamer and this is going to be GG

Hey, Psyche and Clout, vote hoko plz, Ill promise vincent lynch tomorrow, deal?

Ehh...Fine.

But I don't currently think the case would warrant a lynch under normal circumstances. Nothing substantial enough to remove doubt.

That's a deal, though! Tomorrow Vincent will have time to take the stage.

Vote Hoko

Hoko, your death is assured. If you turn out to be town, please

don't be dumb

select Vincent for

be judicious with your consolation kill.

[Psyche]

that makes sense for me

a scum would be more wary of his fake reads on people

since istark attacked a player he called town before, this probablyu means he is sincerely attakcing people for their acts,l rather than fabricateing readsss

I was Planning on calling istark out tomorrow for being inconsistent, both here and in his reasons for finding me scummy. First he said that my post seemed 'forced'. When asked to explain, instead he presented a whole new reason to find me scummy. Thus: Red flag — read fabrication.

But no one's interested atm. Tomorrow, we'll investigate this all further.

[Psyche]

VOTE, METABOT, GODDAMN IT.

[Psyche]

Okay, but what are you doing right nooow? Why is your vote in a place where it lacks meeaning?

[Psyche]

At least give your scooby vote substance with an entertaining case.

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Even if he flips town lynching him is the right move. There is a 50% chance of him flipping scum, and if he flips town we get a vengeful kill.

Also if hoko does flip town, I nominate Vincent for the vengeful kill.

/seconded

Where does 50% come from?

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What do you think of Vincent, iStark?

[Psyche]

I've heard from Hoko already and all he did was go blah blah blah.

But sure, sure.

[Psyche]

What a strange list. Wanna elaborate?

And that's a big turnaround from your earlier position.

[Psyche]

Yes, but what happened to "I think mindgamer is scummier than Om"? Something he do change your mind?

Not one attack on you has been about your activity. While much of your lynch is by policy (Rule X: Lynch Someone), it mostly centers around your generally poor play. I had thought it was scummy play, but I'm not so sure. I wouldn't be lynching you on that if it weren't for the deadline.

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UNVOTE:
Couldnt get up a post earlier during my vla, will post more tmw

Vincent seems lurktastic.

I like Hokorippoi's new posts. They don't strike me as desperate scum, rather, they appear to me as town trying to make the most of their last moments. I originally voted him because he posted mostly fluff and I had no better suspects. But now that he appears to me as town, I don't feel comfortable lynching him.

I still think it's essential that we lynch today though. Seems like Vincent is a popular alternative. Well, I can agree with that. Vincent VL/A'd until deadline, then deadline is moved, then he appears promising a post 'tomorrow' but two days have passed and nothing is done. Combine that with Vincent's near non-existant content in his posts and I'm content parking my vote on him.

Unvote. Vote: Vincent2128

[Psyche]

I do not understand much of what you say. However, someone should now hammer. There is absolutely no reason not to.

[Psyche]

Just to note: I voted for hoko because deadline is coming, not because 'its more popular' (herpity derp derp derp).

[Psyche]

Exactly what I was afraid of. Oh, well. Forward!

Now that we have a bit more flexibility, I'd like to address my concerns.

People of interest:
Vincent
Metabot
iStark
Mindgamer

Everyone else is more or less clear to me. Of course, that's half the playerlist. I probably need to sleep soon (ACT test tomorrow!) but I'll discuss one of these before I go. I choose metagame because his posts are the easiest to process (shorter, less frequent) except for maybe Vincents' but Vincent's been covered.

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I definitely forgot that metabot's been here the whole game. -_-

Both the two new people are incredibly scummy to me. I'm going to get them lynched tomorrow, but right now, I think hoko's the best lynch.

My biggest quarrel. You found hoko the best lynch but never acted on it. You didn't vote once the whole Day, despite an apparent truckload of reads.

Even now, your first vote lacks justification or basis. Explain it!

Oh, and aren't I and Clout both getting lynched today? You never explained why, either.

How ignored I feel like I've been by you!

[Psyche]

VOTE: Vincent

Still the best place for a vote atm. This might change once I get to reviewing the next few guys. Metabot, please don't ignore me today.

[Psyche]

Day 2 Starts Now!

Deadline:

May 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time (EDT)

VOTECOUNT

Vincent (5) - Political Clout, Scooby, Psyche, iStark, Mindgamer

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

The deadline is on May 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time (EDT).

Vacation / Limited Access

Metabot

- April 11, 2012 - April 18, 2012

And that's...5 votes.

Quicklynch successful.

[Psyche]

That's...ultimately good.

No one should vote until near deadline. Thinking is good. Vincent should have a word. There should be scumhunting.

This is LYLO. We need to milk it for all that it is worth.

[Psyche]

Where the heck is Vincent? Preview edit: Sigh. Preview edit: Clout. Unvote, please. Preview edit: everyone, unvote please.

Vincent, iStark, Mindgamer. There is our scum. If I'm wrong about any of these, andrew's the only one who can fill the slot.

iStark's bad play:

that makes sense for me

a scum would be more wary of his fake reads on people

since istark attacked a player he called town before, this probablyu means he is sincerely attakcing people for their acts,l rather than fabricateing readsss

I was Planning on calling istark out tomorrow for being inconsistent, both here and in his reasons for finding me scummy. First he said that my post seemed 'forced'. When asked to explain, instead he presented a whole new reason to find me scummy. Thus: Red flag — read fabrication.

But no one's interested atm. Tomorrow, we'll investigate this all further.

This quote sums it up well — the quoted portion (though scooby took it as a towntell) and the part after it, too. Add iStark's vote to the mix and you have a strong case.

His reason for announcing suspicion of me was essentially a lie. First he said that my post seemed "forced". But when pressured to explain that, he instead said that I was scummy for "calling [Hoko's attack] bull & putting everyone in that scum team who agreed to him."

But this could just be a general pattern of suboptimal play, as scooby argues. Next, mindgamer.

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I have to get going but I'm making this quick post to say I agree, a quickwagon before the second kill is submitted seems like the way to go. Vincent is likely scum, and if he is, I see some very nice connections to him in yesterday's voting behaviour.

Vote: Vincent2128

Mindgamer needs to go into great detail explaining this post. Connections, personal reasons for thinking him scummy, it all.

Other than that, though...
The rest of his play is astoundingly null. I could've sworn there was more. Could someone remind me?

Vincent and iStark have preference for now, but we have all Day. I'm interested in whomever replaces him. I'm not interested in moving toward a lynch for a while.

[Psyche]

Oh who am I kidding? I want Vincent dead today. Nothing's changing my read on him.

vote Vincent

[Psyche]

If Vincent were town, the third scum would've already quickwagoned. Guys, we have scum.

[Psyche]

/thinks.

unvote

No...that's incorrect.

Osrry, let me think.

[Psyche]

Preview post: I'm just thinking, guys, gimme a second. I'll probably end up revoting.

I don't think Clout's vote is valid as it is.

[Psyche]

If Vincent is scum, nothing makes sense. Or, my list would not make sense. The quickwagon scenario only make sense if its intention is to kill town. Mindgamer's and Vincent's alliances must either be different, or both are town. They can't both be scum.

So Vincent got put at L-1 and the hammer did not come. This means that if vincent is town, scooby is certainly town. If vincent is scum, then nothing.

My reads are all messed up. -_-

I'll drop my mindgamer read, then, since it's the weakest. But I seriously need to reprocess things.

[Psyche]

Your vote was L-1
Hence my anxiety.

[Psyche]

Mmmm... He doesn't attempt to really justify his reads in any rigorous way and his reads are, themselves, pretty generic. Things are a bit better than with Vince, but the trend still seems rather consistent, making me more confident here than in other candidates. I'm not getting a town read.

I'm going to take a risk by

voting Fat_Tony

. The game has only slowed since the day started, so my ideal of spending the day in sophisticated discussion no longer seems realistic.

[Psyche]

Sigh. I made the dumb mistake of not quicklynching Vincent after Clout's vote. The game would've been perfect, otherwise. Oh, well.

[Psyche]

gg, psyche is a good player, never trusitng you again bro

we had retarded townies

I have no idea how things went so well.

Also, darn.