Open 374 Pick Your Power - Redux!

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my predecessor tried for tracker I'm a vt

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I am not an alt

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Hoopla has three votes. Xalxe has one.

last vote count is off... xalxe has two votes, hoopla has three, one of which is you.

So if you took one vote from hoopla, and moved it to xalxe [/exaggerated gestures]...

eyup

Why are you not even trying to get your "ideal lynch"? Im not sure I have really seen anypony just roll over and resign to self-preservation this fast before.

Because I have ALREADY TRIED TO GET XALXE LYNCHED MULTIPLE TIMES, AND GOT NOTHING FROM IT.

Fine.

UNVOTE: Hoopla
VOTE: Xalxe

Though if Hoopla flips scum later, I'm looking at you for a buddy.

was that you basically making izak switch his vote? it may seem like town what you just did is something mafia would do imo because now you have made someone seem scummy by calling them out on who they're voting and making them contradict themselves although not that izak wasn't sounding scummy already. Furthermore you have made him move his vote for someone you have hailed as town why make him move his vote to your town read?

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QUOTE IT FOR ME THEN

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primafacie tells (only reading these 16 pages and going from there)

deasvail, chamber, and i'm going to go ahead and put the toast here I like his posts (oversoul I think)
they read as town to me

although not so confident on chamber since i read the i'mlazy not going to pursue my fos post

Hoopla is trying to sound like town null on bbmolla, shiidaji, and amrun

and mostly on amrun cuz you know he's trying to kill me.

although he might be scum and pushing on a fairly easy ML since people think xaxle was scummy

moving bbmolla to town yea I'm a towntelling whore deal with it

the case on xalxe is a meta one? LMAO and here I was worried that I would have to sift through the cache files and look for the case and review what xalxe did that was scummy.

moving shiidaji to town

hoopla y u so filler?

if rbd answers my question satisfactorily moving her to town.

oversoul died WHY???

not liking chambers now messing up my town reads are ye?

I menat why are you voting RD btw. How do you feel the izak town flip effects things.

I thought you fos'd rbd when did this change? oh you still do hmmmm don't like your slot anymore

I forgot that tierce was playing -_-

guess I'm wrong hoopla ain't filler

gonna post this as is

hoopla is starting to lean town that leaves for me amrun /rbd / chambers / as possible mafia

and hiraki I read him as mafia but that's probably the hate boiling over.

pre-edit: not really hate just miffed that town lost what was to be a sure win hiraki is null for me so

rbd/amrun/hiraki/chambers


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xalxe kinda I feel did this last game I was in with him he was basically useless and apathetic (it's what I feel getting from the feedback of what I've read so far too) he voted for zajnet without any discussion then hiraki hammered on zajnet (incorrectly I might add) . I think tierce was in that game so amrun is lying.

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words

How do you know what Xalxe tried for?

words
What am I lying about? o.O

I know because there exists this mod and this mod well he's special because he knows everything and in a pm he told me my predecessors role and what he tried for btw are you trying to get me modkilled?

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Ugh, RD, how can you so completely miss the point?

The hammer itself never bothered anyone at all. It's what he said with his hammer - and I had had a long exchange with him before that in which I already decided he was quite scummy outside of that.

He buddied Tierce HARD - like, hard hard hard - with the obvious and specific purpose of engendering a town read from her based on a personal relationship. He fully admitted that Tierce, if town, is scary when she picks a target. I went through this in exhaustive length previously. THEN, when someone asked him why he was buddying Tierce, he denied buddying Tierce! The buddying was so obvious, in fact, that I had written it off as a too-obvious-he-did-it-on-purpose tell at first, before I realized he has

NEVER PLAYED WITH TOWN TIERCE

. Most of his buddying was based off of how good he says town Tierce is - but he's NEVER played with her as town! I questioned him on this and his responses were quite scummy indeed.

And then his hammer ... ugh. It's not about the hammer. It's about how after I had this exchange with him, and after he realized he was NOT going to get Tierce to read him as town, he made passive, weak, lame pushes at her. He was lining up mislynches. It has LITERALLY ZERO percent to do with the fact that he hammered.

And he's really been a limp noodle this game, which is unlike when I have played with him as town previously. His play reminds me of his scum play in Hoopla's recent PGO open game, which the site ate.

Even if you want to argue that his hammer is a minor towntell (and I disagree), why would a minor towntell outweigh all the things Xalxe has done that are scummy?

ovs lie is ovs

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VOTE:RAINBOWDASH

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Xalxe said he never played with town Tierce. If anyone lied, it was him. *rolls eyes*

So, here we have conflicting claims: that ML sent the predecessor's attempt at a role with the replace PM, and that ML did not. Who do we believe?

I definitely believe Hiraki over Political Clout, since scum, seeing town-PC claim to know what his predecessor tried for, could simply check the QT rather than say he didn't get it in his own PM. There's no scum motivation in Hiraki's move there.

I have no idea what any of that means it's a bit ambiguous clear it up please.

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I understand the last part -_- just clean this up


So, here we have conflicting claims: that ML sent the predecessor's attempt at a role with the replace PM, and that ML did not. Who do we believe?

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so that was your entire basis for voting me amrun? you switched tactics instead of trying to lynch me based off of what xalxe did in the past you took what might be a mod error and said "modding is error-free" I don't blame you usually people give the guy that replaced into a scummy slot a chance you saw an opportunity and took it. you're just coasting if anything amrun and you have been imo from what I can tell you have been tunneling on xalxe trying to setup a ml

Izak lynched:
"izak (5)-- Xalxe, Rainbowdash, BBMolla, Tierce, DV, Oversoul, Amrun
Xalxe (3) -- Hoopla, Izak, Chamber

Not Voting (2) -- Shiidajii, Hiraki "


on a side note hoopla why did you think izak was town? chambers same Q

who led the lynch on izak rbd?

THERE WAS A THING WITH HIPLOP BUT IT'S 100% NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

Can you summarize it with quotes or something then?

I still really am just not reading xalxe-scum here.

Izak is scum who is caught right now overextending himself on the Hoopla vote and is trying to buy his way out by claiming compramise lynch (two weeks to deadline) and not being VT (in a game it means nothing in).

did amrun answer this

I think oversould died because he had a town read on hoopla/amrun am i insane? if i'm right then hoopla/amrun are most likely town and I'm thinking a rbd-amrum team or a hoopla-amrun team. I had electroshock therapy as a kid. Or I might be wrong and one of hoopla/amrum are mafia.

amrun why did you fos tierce? hoopla same Q deasvail same Q

Not opppsed to massclaim.

VOTE: tierce

Chances are there is no more than one 6 scum. DV and molia are town. It leaves xalxe/tierce/you/chamber, in which you should have two scum. That and looking back I have a really hard time saying why chamber is town, and that usually is where scum slips by for me, when I cant justify my town read.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tierce

Join me.

I'm not opposed to a massclaim either. And I am thinking I'll support a Tierce lynch.

Obviously if massclaim happens some of us will have information to share though.

Xalxe and amrun are likely not mafia together.
Izak and xalxe are likely not mafia together.
I strongly feel that at least one of Xalxe and amrun are scum.
I'm not sure one can make a connection between izak and amrun based on her attacks of xalxe, shes been doing it longer than they were the only 2 options based only on my memory.

Those are my current thoughts on the game. I'm still being lazy.

chambers can you explain and not be "lazy"

I agree with Hoopla's point about Xalxe & Tierce not being scum together.

I don't understand why we can't lynch Amrun though.

PEdit: Ok. You can get rid of the "maybe chamber" then.

sorry to bring it up deas and I hate myself because then you might say I'm mafia but I have to ask do you still think I'm town?and do you believe tierce's claim? Xalxe- I think he's town, but I don't have anything solid to base it off. I have to really think about him actually. Actually I just remembered about the VT claim-> probable town.

hoopla:Well, I think Xalxe is town, so I don't think you'll get that easily. #331
same Q to you then do you believe tierce's claim?

as far as I'm concerned if everyone believe's tierce it's down to hiraki/ amrun/ hoopla/ rbd/

he didn't send role info to hiraki cuz hiraki is scum gg

VOTE: HIRAKI

amrum I never read your case -_- if you remember I said I was worried that I would have to read your case then I had thought it was based on meta and laughed and then didn't address it fail.jpeg

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lol hiraki it's okay don't get mad just rack it up too mod fuck up gg

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>amished tell ..............oh boy

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Political Clout, I've suspected Xalxe since Day 1, so no, my reason for voting you has very little to do with mod error. I was only voting for Tierce because the wagon was more viable. She was my second choice to you from the start of the day.

What turned out to be a mod error added weight to my case, but it being a mod error doesn't diminish what I had before, and your response to replacing in did not seem townish.

Though how Hoopla and I can be town and also on the scumteam is beyond me. What?

wut how did it add weight to your case?

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Unvote: Hiraki

no I never thought the mod error confirmed you as mafia hiraki although I wanted to see if you were consistent in your rxn.

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I don't know in the game we played you thought zajnet was town, then decided he was scum when he claimed doc.

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was hider an option to pick?

Vote: amrun

only mafia go for vengful.

I agree with hoopla doc is selfish choice if you thought you were going to die n1/n2.

also is it me or does chambers look like he's coasting?

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how does it not make sense?

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explain the town motivation then? I don't see "I tend to have pretty good scumradar" as town motivation but as you hiding behind your reason as to why you took vengeful. and you say I'm trying to fit you into a box but isn't that what you're trying to do to me? moving from reason to reason as to why I'm scum? it's not so easy to get a ML is it when their is a person to respond to your attacks.

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To add to that, your post was very acusitory and testing the watery. Is me coasting scummy? Several people replaced out after the crash, I too lost nearly all my motivation resulting in my current coastyness. I'd rather ludi not need to find even more replacements. I'm down for a xalxe/tierce lynch. Prefer PC at this point but if tierce can get more traction I'd vote there.

yes you coasting is scummy.

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I like to coast and not contribute anything particularly useful just be filler like a bauce and go through the motions.

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maybe but this is post crash get with the times. If you're going to be apathetic then I have no intention of interacting with you anymore.

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deasvail - 3 (town fmpov)
nobody special - 7
scott brosius - 11
hoopla - 18
rain - 4(town)
xalxe - 4
tierce - 8
izakthegoomba - 8 (town)
rainbowdash - 1
hiplop - 1 (town)
chamber - 1

amrun - 6
isa - 6
shiidaji - 6

ovs number of the beast is ovs.

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good lord you undecisive sumObitch lol.

I'm not scum.

well I'm happy that I haven't been lynched yet, but also a bit scared at the situation.

what do people think of isa? and shiidaji?

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nothing, not much I haven't really been going through that file and I don't really intend to. I don't remember isa posting and shiidaji's posting has been limited. Isa replaced out and I think hiraki took that slot. shiidaji only has made 7 posts so yea.

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rainbowdash I want to avoid fuckshittery if amrun is town and my lynch is avoided then maf will keep me alive to later be ML'd so lynch between me and amrun if you don't want to vote amrun then vote me.


If town is really hung up then I would suggest hiraki/shiidaji I want to see how someone from group 6 flips or you you have a town read on me yet you are willing to compromise on my lynch? why the compromise?

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No, um.

That's why we're not lynching PC.

Because PC replaced Xalxe.

PC is in another game with me. He's VI material. He'll deny it.

they all do

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

standard rules apply

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Vote: Hiraki

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I don't actually see how the wagon indicates Hiraki-town.

The only hop on that bugs me is the PC hop on honestly.

so you're saying you think chambers and amrun are town?

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I don't actually see how the wagon indicates Hiraki-town.

The only hop on that bugs me is the PC hop on honestly.

so you're saying you think chambers and amrun are town?

Yes.

why do you think xalxe/me is scum/scummy?

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sigh you're doing it wrong.

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@mod VLA two days

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my head hurts


-> Amrun lynched
-> Shii venge killed
->

Tierce NKed

-> Rainbow lynched - scum win

Hoopla scum, Amrun town
-> Amrun lynched
-> Town venge killed - scum win
-> Mafia (PC) venge killed
->

Tierce NKed

-> Rainbow lynched? - scum win

so who else is missing here?
NS
SB
shii

is that right?


I think it's safe to assume that I'll be venged if amrun is lynched if she is town. if scum wouldn't she kill off BB? why would shii be venge killed?
Am I to assume that you think tierce is town? that puts me and tierce as your town reads with shii and molia and you have hoopla as scum.


fypov
scum: hoopla,
TOWN: pc, tierce, shii, BB, yourself

is that correct?

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on a side not #704 did not seem like a post that broke it down. Chambers IF i am scum who is most likely my partner? if it's rainbow why would scum rainbow defend xaxle?


I really can't fathom how I over looked that unless scum rainbow wanted townpoints but it seems like a /cost opportunity/ or the benefits don't outweigh the risks fmpov.

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amrun if I was dead and flipped town how would your reads change if at all? and who would you venge kill?

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Tierce may you be so kind as to say who is scum?

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Hoopla if you would be so kind as to say who is scum?

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rereading is win!

So mild cock-up on my part. When I replacement replaces in, I send them their replacement role and what they tried for.

In an effort of clarity, and after consultation, this information needs to be made public.

In the case of Hiraki, no previous role attempted for by Isa was sent, in mod error.
In the case of Political Clout, previous role attempted for by Xalxe was sent.

Okay... so

they're

mod confirmed vanilla. :/

so

I still think Political Clout is scum, re: Xalxe, so *shrug*

Tierce's claim makes me more inclined to think it's Xalxe out of the pair.

Hiraki needs to popcorn.

They're

mod-confirmed vanilla, regardless of alignment.

Really disappointed with the modding here, Ludi.

UNVOTE: Political Clout

Continue massclaim.

gg

Vote: amrun

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Hoopla scum, Amrun town
-> Amrun lynched
-> Town venge killed - scum win
->

Mafia (PC)

venge killed
-> Tierce NKed
-> Rainbow lynched? - scum win

Claiming scum makes things easy.

VOTE: Political Clout

yes it does tierce yes it does.
thank you I suppose.

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Chambers IF i am scum who is most likely my partner? if it's rainbow why would scum rainbow defend xaxle?

Breaking down my entire suspect list when the scum control such a large percentage of the town gives them way too much room with the nk.
The second question isn't meaningful and therefore I have no meaningful answer.

*words*

so you're saying you don't think rainbow is mafia? and why isn't meaningful?

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Unvote

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I'm confused on this game tbh and I'm getting mixed reads :/

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VOTE: amrun

sorry rbd I think xaxle was someone easy to go after and probably still is. molla says that my vote on hiraki bothers her but doesn't say why chambers thinks I'm ultra scum doesn't say why. I think it's interesting only after I start poking at chambers does he respond unless he thought xaxle was scum then the point is moot.