Open 387: Jungle Republic (Day 6 - ends in a Town Victory)

[Chrimi]

Ah, v2v, long time no see.

I'm sorry, I'm confirming now, been busy lately...

Also, haven't read yet, will post again once I have.

[Chrimi]

1. Hate.
2. Vijay. Always Vijay.
3. Werewolf, seems interesting.
4. Scum.
5. Nup.
6. Vijay. He's ninja like that.
7. Chocolates, man!
8. Neither.
9. Hate both.
10. 5, one got discontinued ;( 6 including this one.
11. Werewolves.

Alright, so this Slandaar guy is either making dumbass moves for two reasons.
The first could be that he is doing it on purpose as a way to provoke reactions, and if so he has done a really good job.
The second is he's really bad scum trying to put blame on other people.
There is a possible third, which is bad town who is going nuts.

I'm going to assume the first, as it seems most likely and also seems to be the case as far as I can tell.

Vijay seems to be playing town meta from what I remember of him.

shotgun... I'm going to go read the other game he has that's still up on the site, see if I can pick anything off of that.
Same for Kassadin.

Going for a deeper reread now, sorry I tend to do things such as triple post.

[Chrimi]

I have finished a good read, and have decided to watch a certain player closely.

cautious = scumtell.

No. Just, No.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kondi

I do like this vote.

Following somebody else's vote, trying to start a wagon without much of a case.

ashers scum lol

Didn't give any reasoning? :S

11. Who do you think will win this game?
Town due to the night kill restriction on mafia.

I Didnt realise mafia dont have a nk... I assumed both did.

I checked and lo and behold they dont. But Wolves do...

Its funny, he thinks town win because mafia have kill restriction but does not account for the wolf kill this is important because it shows he did not read the front page he realised maf didnt have kill because he is one.

He is pesimistic scum.

Nobody sees the contradiction here? Damn.

Read this. He didn't read front page either, and didn't realize that mafia didn't have an nk. Then he blames someone else for not knowing about the wolf's nk.

By his logic, he is therefore calling himself scum.

Town who did not read the front page clearly would assume maf nk. However you didnt account for the nk of the wolves while knowing maf dont have nk.

You were not being logical.

Read above.
He was being just as logical as you.

its simple

You thought about the questions in depth. This is because you were being cautious. You were being cautious because you are worried of being caught.

This line of reasoning makes the most sense

No, it does not.

Town can be just as cautious as mafia or wolf, because even though they aren't, they still don't want to seem like it. Understand?
What I'm saying is, just because they're not scum doesn't mean they want to look like scum. Everybody wants to look like town, whether they are or aren't.


This whole game you've been accusing people of bad logic, but your logic looks horrible itself. Please don't be so contradictory, okay?

[Chrimi]

Slandaar is playing great at getting reactions.

However, I don't like the way he is doing it.

I have a town read on Slandaar, but he really needs to not act the way he is, because it's very anti-town.


And Slandaar, if you're going to try and reaction test, please make it a little more subtle. The manipulativeness was 0 in what he was saying, and based on your vocabulary and gameplay so far I am assuming you knew that and was only reaction-testing.

If you were reaction-testing, town read. You may be trying to get whatever you can on other people, which would be much scummier.

Ugh, I'm not used to this kind of gameplay. Alright, let's see here...

Until I get some kind of response that is noteworthy and explains well, I shall...
VOTE: Slandaar

[Chrimi]

Hmm, I didn't get anything off of v2v, which is therefore scummy.

I know this sounds odd, but from his town play I've seen lots of stuff that sticks out VERY town or VERY scummy, and to get a lot of null reads off of him is not of the town meta I'm used to, and therefore scummy.

Not enough to invoke even an fos, or even worth mentioning, just thought I would put it out there.

Then again, it's been quite a few games since I've last played with him and I myself have changed my style quite a bit, I wouldn't be surprised if he had too...

[Chrimi]

Hmm?

It is true that I'm voting for his gameplay, but my gameplay is to vote until I get a reply.

[Chrimi]

EBWOP: It is true that I am not used to his gameplay

[Chrimi]

or even worth mentioning, just thought I would put it out there.

because that isn't contradictory at all.

also if you have a town read, which you mention twice in your slandaar vote, then why are you voting slandaar? For reaction testing, which you say is a town tell. What?

Always say what info you have, keeping it to yourself doesn't help at all.

I'm voting slandaar to see his reaction. He didn't react at all. Why not?

[Chrimi]

I never told you to keep it to yourself. I find it weird that you voted for a town read even though it was a reaction test, as if you have them as town why would you need to test their reactions?

Nobody is town. That's how I think about it.

If I find him generally towny, then I reaction test to get more reasons on why he may be town OR a reason to believe he is scum.

I did not know what to expect, and he didn't really react. A weak reaction at most, I'm pinning it as trying to evade or ignore it. Ergo, scum points.

Also, shotgun I don't like your one reason that makes you positive he's scum. Never be sure- otherwise you'll be bit in the ass if he flips town.

[Chrimi]

And this is why I voted for Slandaar.

No longer town read- nor even close.

[Chrimi]

^ what exactly are you talking about?

Slandaar however is not playing very sensibly. Town's only weapon right now is his vote and by shooting scatter shits all over the place with his puny vote, he is getting on my nerves.

This.

Also, Slandaar is either scum, wolf, or is town that is playing very anti-town.

Calling every player he runs into scum and voting in scattershots is terrible, gets no data and only adds to the confusion. Wait, adds to the confusion- isn't that part of scum's objective?

And he's doing a very good job.

So far, he looks like a wonderful lynch candidate.

[Chrimi]

He goes after people hoping the scum will break. Better that than throwing around blank statements that do not say a lot oR merely throw words back at peoples faces while doing little else.

Uhm, he isn't going after people hoping they'll break. He's throwing his shit everywhere, applying a tiny bit of pressure to multiple people instead of pressuring one people at a time.

Bad idea, asher, if he flips scum then we'll be going after you next, by the way.

[Chrimi]

Vote hopping townie for pressure?

Vote hopping isn't applying pressure. Keeping your vote on one person and pressing and pressing is called pressure. Changing your vote every 5 posts is not pressure, it's vote hopping, and doesn't apply much pressure at all.

[Chrimi]

om is calling me scum for meta reasons with no meta backup
hes scum
note; vote hopping is meta related, yet he uses it generally not in a meta sense which he should know I do as town... oh.

This post.

Ow, my brain!

Vote hopping is scummy, and that's that. There is NO pressure unless you focus it. Slandaar, help out and start pressuring something and be protown! If you continue to do what you're doing you're not helping town at all and can get us very sidetracked. So, if you're not scum, start pressuring someone instead of everyone.

[Chrimi]

I saw nowhere that nom FoS'd anybody...?

Ugh, you scum and making up bullshit to back up your bullshit.

P-edit: It's a scumtell, Slandaar.

[Chrimi]

Suspicion, gut read, he seems like scum...

NOT Fos'd.

FoS'd is when you type it, in bold. Otherwise, it's just suspicion, no fingers here.

And so what? Having an argument is good, so you can find the scum. More arguing, the more information you get.

For instance, I can already clear someone as town. Mmm, this game is going to be good.

[Chrimi]

And where did you pull that percentage from?

Don't put words in my mouth.

Never does clear mean 100%, no matter what the setup, for me. Clear means I won't be pressuring them until I see something suspicious.

[Chrimi]

Nuh uh uh, watch what you say.

Clear can mean many a things. I was just letting you know, when I say clear, I don't mean not scum. I mean I won't worry about them until later.

As I said before, everyone is scum.

Also, town reads can change rather quickly.

A problem I have is mistaking bad logic for scum slips, so excuse me while I go rethink through a few things.

[Chrimi]

Sounds good, Thomith.

Opinions, opinions.

Vijay, Everybody is scum, remember that. The more likely would have to be Slandaar, I am getting a few town reads on nom.


Nom and Slandaar, I would like your cases on eachother. I prefer not one sentence, although that is effective, I want to see everything you've got.

[Chrimi]

Oh, and don't make another big argument at the moment Sland, Nom, I juts want to see cases- not arguments. Things that I can follow, understand, and see the logic in.

P-edit: Slandaar, he was saying he sees your vote hopping scum-like. He is saying that you're scum-like for vote hopping. If his read on you is fabricated, it does not make him scum, it just means he does not have a case on you.

[Chrimi]

You have a point.

However, he made up the case- not purposely. He thought that vote hopping was scummy and your meta goes against it, and maybe he really thought that it made you scummy.

From my third person point of view, it seems to be a large town slip.

[Chrimi]

Yes.

Still a new-town or bad-town slip, I see it he was blinded by the fact he was arguing with somebody.

A lot of players get caught up having to prove the person they're fighting against wrong, and this can cause a lot of in-town fights. Perhaps he didn't think it all the way through.

What I'm saying is he messed up, but I see that he messed up in a very town-like way.

[Chrimi]

Then obviously we think differently.

Bad meta to me is a towntell, not a scumtell.

We all have our opinions, but mine is nom is clear for me, so I'll do my part in defending him for the moment.

[Chrimi]

Now, can we find another trail to go down? This one is going nowhere and the amount of information is running out.

[Chrimi]

X.X Fourteen;

I apologize if it was taken that way, I was just saying what was on my mind.

Also, I agree with vijay's statement on OOTN.

[Chrimi]

Makes his current logic bad. His current logic is faulty because he is being pressured hard.

Cornered townie, as vijay said. Defending from his attacker(s). Slandaar, somebody's case being bad does not make them scum, it makes the case bad and that's it. Both scum and townies can make bad cases, it happens all the time.

So, I agree Om your logic on the situation is at fault, but I do not believe he is scum.

P-edit: Thomith, he is fighting back and defending, if he just backed down Slandaar would move in and continue making points and asking for an answer. Om is answering and defending, like anybody would. A bad defense means a townie that has given up, anyways. Fighting back and defending means a strong town who is trying to understand why Slandaar is tunneling him.

[Chrimi]

vote hopping isn't a scum-tell, just saying.
Also i'm fine with either a om or slandaar lynch today, their interactions to me seem like at least one of them is scum, om has the edge atm for the gut read arguement. That and i don't know how many votes slandaar has and i don't want to hammer yet.

You constantly repeat this phrase: Vote hoping isn't scummy.
So are you telling us to go find another reason why Slandaar is scum other than Vote Hopping?
Does that imply that he indeed is scum? You know this, therefore you are scum too?

I love shotgun now.

Perfect, putting this post in my notes

[Chrimi]

Exactly.

I don't like a wagon on kondi. Not keen on the idea at all.

[Chrimi]

But my point is that not giving examples isn't anti-town. Don't misrep what I'm saying.
Yeah, as I was going to say you also seem to do it for the sake of discrediting me.

How do any of you guys feel about a Thomith wagon?

Also I'm going to have to stop for the night. It's about 11PM now, and I'm really tired (been staying up till 3AM the past few nights).

Don't let the fact that Thomith is pressuring you effect wether you think he's scum or not, without good reason.

[Chrimi]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kass

I see no downside to this, at all.

OMGUS.

[Chrimi]

Kass is just a pl and this is how he always plays any assumptions to the contrary are wrong.

He is prob scum though based on poe a bit and his jokey turned serious vote.

Translation:
Kass is town because he is playing his town meta.
But he's probably scum because I can't decide if he was joking or not...

[Chrimi]

Elmo?

You again?

Haha, now a player I have nothing on got replaced by a player I have 4 days of town meta to look at...

Awesome.

[Chrimi]

I did not know what to expect, and he didn't really react. A weak reaction at most, I'm pinning it as trying to evade or ignore it. Ergo, scum points.

Chrimi and reaction testing:

I think you are town but im voting you untill you meet my demands.
Pressure by calling said person town; 0. Noone is going to actually stick to a vote on someone they think is town IF they are town themselves.
What reaction would be a town reaction to a no pressure vote exactly Chrimi? coming at you guns blazing? thats a strong reaction right? so thats town? doesnt seem to make much sense especially the tone of your OMGUS post recently.

So my reaction was always destined to get scumpoints wasn't it? your test was not impartial, thereby making you scum.

also explain the benefits of voting me for being antitown over kass for being antitown? who is being more antitown hm?

Oh but whatever alignment kass is as scum you want to keep him alive...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chrimi

this guys scum hes just been posting reactionary stuff and done approximately 0 scumhunting.

It actually makes more sense hes defending kass due to kass being useless so as scum he wants to keep him around rather than being buddies, the connection between the 2 is too obvious.

Meet... your... demands?

Bahaha! That's hilarious!

You don't reply to me when I vote or ask you to, and now you expect me to meet your demands?

You make me laugh.

I have scumhunted, I've found you and you only seem to feed my suspicion.

If you find my test impartial, that makes my test bad, not me scum.

You seem to think doing anything makes anybody scum. Somebody gets replaced- must be scum. Somebody defended their town read- must be buddying scum. Everything is scum to you. Also, if you know kass is scum and you think there's a possibility I'm town who wants to keep him alive, then kill kass not me. Serious lack of logic.

Also, you saying that me voting my town read makes no sense and I must be scum- though you're doing it yourself.

Also, the point to my 'omgus' post was because your post REEKS of omgus. He says he thinks you and somebody is scum- and you vote him right away. Perhaps they were on to you? And then, I call you out on it and I'm voting you and think you're scum- so you come up with some bullshit reasons that must make me scum.

Oh, you make me laugh so hard. If he was my scumbuddy, I would never defend him, because that's an obvious tell.

[Chrimi]

I did not know what to expect, and he didn't really react. A weak reaction at most, I'm pinning it as trying to evade or ignore it. Ergo, scum points.

I think you are town

[Chrimi]

Mindset that everybody is scum, I'm not flailing everywhere and calling everyone I can scum and voting in scatters. I've had one vote in the whole game so far.

The whole impartial test thing- in almost all ways you react it would actually be a town read for me. However, you not replying is an obvious scumtell.

If you're going to call some of my posts borderline obv scum, at least tell me which ones.

Keep useless people alive?
Haha, no. If I was scum, I'd leave him to town to rip on so he'd get lynch- no point in protecting him, I'm trying to get MORE lynched not less.

Had enough of me?
Parroting? Show where I have parroted please. Stop saying bullshit without saying where, it gets confusing.

You haven't pressed anybody with your scatter votes, so please don't go there.

I have very good reasons to believe you are scum, and I've stated them before. Don't call it unfounded until you read my other posts where I have explained why.

Also, above post- you said you think I am town in the same post you voted me. Sounds like you did exactly what I did.

I'm trying to start a new trail by SAYING we should start a new trail. I'm not going to go down the trail myself- I'm asking everybody to go down a new trail with me. I engage, just not with scatter votes and contractions.

[Chrimi]

Slandaar tries to end RQS, my favorite part.

People trying to call scum based off of RQS. My other favorite part.

[Chrimi]

Hah, I have one vote this game, he's throwing around his vote like a baby.

Elmo, next time post after you're done reading all of it- I've already answered everything you have about me here.

[Chrimi]

if you were town why would you have cared though, towns main objective is to find scum, not to look town.
Also "does it make me scum" is the towny looking way of saying "OMG IM NOT SCUM"

Ahhah, town's objective is to not get killed whilst finding the scum. Everybody's objective is to not die so they can continue trying to find scum, or for the scum trying to lynch townies.

[Chrimi]

Chrimi is definitely scum here hes misrepping deliberately.

OK

I am the seer

Om is very bad, but hes town probably. Thomith is town. Kondi is town. Asher is probably town. thats 5/7 town. Lynching scum shouldnt be too hard. Lynching dr or Chrimi is definitely the best bet.

Never seen Elmo post so much, not sure what that means. Maybe town.

Dont vote any of my townreads meaning the only wagon available is Chrimi or start your own.

Did he really just claim before somebody declared intent to hammer?

And maybe just saying Chrimi is best bet without any REASONS<<< that word btw is kind of NEEDED*
Could i have some pl0x?

look its very very likely all 4 of us are town purely based on how much we have posted and the speed at which we respond to each other.

we need to vote together.

Get on Chrimi or Kass

Nobody is going to listen until you actually give... oh what are those convincing things that people need to listen to you? Oh that's right, REASONS. GIVE THEM.


Anyways. Seer, don't counter-claim slandaar- we don't want them pulling out our power role. Let's get him lynched now before our seer counter-claims and get's nk'd.

[Chrimi]

UNVOTE: Slandaar
I'm finally somewhat awake.
I see the claim.
VOTE: Chimi
Didn't like the buddying. I'll read the rest in a bit. Just woke up

Elmo, do me a favor and try to remember my town meta, I know the restart wiped most of it away but if you remember buddying with rach the whole game, because I knew she was very town or perhaps a power role based on her behavior.

P-edit: Thomith, Main objective is to find scum you're right, but secondary objective is to stay alive long enough to actually complete the main objective. If you don't spend any time making sure you don't look scummy, everyone will be on your ass and you'll get lynched before you can even try the main objective.

[Chrimi]

Also:

Don't kill om, don't kill asher, and don't kill v2v.

Please, don't.

[Chrimi]

Well, everybody has their own way to play the game.

[Chrimi]

Also- Don't say 4 people are town just because you're all online at the same time, that's absolutely nuts.

[Chrimi]

Werewolves could purposely let him live so we lynch him tomorrow.

Think about it. If we lynch him today, werewolves get a nk (and we get reads off of it) and that's a dead scum and town, OR 2 dead towns.
If we lynch somebody else, we have a high chance of lynching town, then they can kill a town instead of seer and tomorrow we'll lynch Slandaar because he didn't get nk'ed- That's a chance of 3 dead towns.

I'd rather have 2 dead towns with a chance of dead scum than 3 dead towns.

And Slandaar suddenly knows exactly who's scum.

Once again, what are your REASONS?

[Chrimi]

Except that dr and kass are some of my best town reads to date~

[Chrimi]

Town meta. Read up on his previous game.

[Chrimi]

Meta is good, you can always tell if somebody is scum or not (for me) based on meta.

I see what you mean, I saw his mafia lovers game and he acted exactly the same as town as he did scum.

Ugh, meta has failed me in this case.

Well, LaL, right? Lynch all lurkers...

Alright, I'll take that back on kass. But I do get town vibes off of him.

[Chrimi]

Chrimi explain

When did you meta read Kass

When did you read a scum game of his?

I looked up all of the games (still on the site) of all of the players. That's when.

[Chrimi]

dr is a really good lynch btw

like really good

he hasnt done anything except started RQS then gone completely quiet

Probably busy.

[Chrimi]

Chrimi - who other than slandaar would you want to lynch?

None until I can see what Slandaar flips.

[Chrimi]

LaL.

Look at the mafiascum wiki.

It means both.

[Chrimi]

Slandaar has a high chance of being scum.

We lynch him, we have a high chance of killing a wolf.

Pretty simple to me.

Also, The wiki does say lynch all liars, my apologies, but I've seen it used before for lynch all lurkers.

[Chrimi]

I looked up all of the games (still on the site) of

all of the players

. That's when.

[Chrimi]

So you think this is my scumgame?

Yep.

In a game I found you as town, you actually gave REASONS.

I have yet to see any logical ones from you in this game.

[Chrimi]

So, elmo doesn't like my buddying but doesn't see the whole slandaar / thomith thing?

[Chrimi]

Hmm?

I don't meta all of everybody's games...

I meta one game per player, and if it doesn't give a good amount of info then I meta another one.

If they end up looking scummy in the game, I meta another one of their games.

Meta is a tool that I prefer to use often.

And I was only referring to one of the games I read.

Anyways, stop asking about the ways I play, and lynch Slandaar please.

Let's head through to day 2, okay?

Slandaar, it would've helped town to wait until there was at least an intent to hammer declared.

[Chrimi]

It would be best for them to come in the night, instead of mid-discussion.

You don't see the buddying?

The whole game they only agree with eachother's points and constantly have eachother as town reads. Seems like a lot more buddying than what I was doing.

[Chrimi]

Hmm, I must've said that wrong.

I said I looked up all of the games of all of the players- I meant I looked up games of all of the players.

[Chrimi]

I'm here.

Hey Slandaar, follow me!

Welcome back.

[Chrimi]

What I have learnt this game;

Slandaar doesn't know how to hate the playstyle not the player.

[Chrimi]

It was one of your newbie games. I don't remember which one at the moment.

[Chrimi]

wow you really don't know how to meta do you chrimi, why meta a newbie game where peoples game is more prone to be a little different due to less activity?

also asher i voted you because i felt you only voted when pressured, yes i said you should vote, but your sland vote just seemed like a "oh fuck better vote" with little reasoning.

I told him the one I was referring to, it wasn't the only one I was implying.

[Chrimi]

None of your reasons made any sense

to me.

They sounded perfectly reasonable to me.

[Chrimi]

^ Finally, somebody with some logic.

[Chrimi]

So Thomith, if not asher then who is your vote going to be on?

[Chrimi]

I agree, but what are your reasons for wanting to lynch him, kass? What are your thoughts on his claim?

[Chrimi]

I agree that he is a little vote happy and his vote has become worthless, but you should see he claimed Seer. Does that not change your mind or tell you anything?

[Chrimi]

Elmo, my opinion only got stronger- I'm pretty positive he's scum. His claim makes me sure he's wolf.

[Chrimi]

Deadline is imminent.

We have four days left, dude. Plenty of time.

I like your reasoning, v2v.

[Chrimi]

Weak reason, at that...

[Chrimi]

Get kass slandaar.

[Chrimi]

Except, Slandaar, if we lynch Kass we'll be lynching town.

Lynching town today is very bad YOU don't seem to grasp this.

You are not seer. You are wolf. Will somebody hammer him please?

[Chrimi]

@ Ravel: sorry but I'm going to have to go V/LA for 3 days. I'll still post once a day or at worst once every 36 hours. Thanks. Feel free to replace me if it's needed.

;(

[Chrimi]

You got that I'm very likely werewolf because of #6?

It said "If you could have ONE PERSON as your scumbuddy, who would it be?"

I stated one person.

Okay? Thanks.

[Chrimi]

*sigh*
There goes dr...

Slandaar's fake claim... That was horrible. Ugh, now I have to go look at everything again. I was positive he was scum fakeclaiming... I never thought a VT would do that....

Thomith, I was just pointing it out.

[Chrimi]

*yawn*

Sorry about that guys, very busy, broken knee etc. etc.

Anyways, read the thread and really don't have anything to say at the moment... it might just be my knee in pain though, so if I don't reply a lot for the rest of this game don't be super surprised...

I'll try my best though...

About the Thomith post, at the time I thought they were scumbuddies so I was just making a point by putting that, to display my thoughts.

[Chrimi]

Uhm....

I know what the wait is...

It's because he's scum trying to find the most scummiest person to have "looked at"

[Chrimi]

I HAVE A FUCKING BUSY LIFE PEOPLE I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND READ THIS SHIT WHEN

YOU FUCKS

WANT ME TO

NOW BE FUCKING PATIENT AND LET ME GIVE MY NOTES BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING RETARDED

Breaking rules, much?

[Chrimi]

I won't be voting Kondi for now, btw.

[Chrimi]

Uhm...

No?

I was just adding to my point.

[Chrimi]

Yes.

[Chrimi]

Just to point out that kondi joins the wagon on chi without posting his notes

VOTE: Kondi

Don't unvote to wait for his notes, keep your vote on to add pressure to see them.

I don't like that he spent time jumping on a wagon instead of getting his 'notes' together.

[Chrimi]

I wouldn't have voted if you hadn't unvoted.

[Chrimi]

Serious time kondi? All you've been doing is saying that you'll get to it or that they'll take long...

How come some 'notes' are taking you so long, huh?

[Chrimi]

Sounds like you're spending a loooot of time making excuses.

[Chrimi]

It was just saying that I thought you guys were scumbuddies- I wasn't trying to add false evidence or true evidence, I was simply stating what I thought using what you said.

[Chrimi]

And why am I scum exactly?

D: Vijay died! But I finally got to play another game with him...

Makes me wonder who his scum partner was... Brb, going to ISO him.

[Chrimi]

@ Fat Tony: I don't understand that unvote. Are you claiming that you knew Chrimi was going to vote Kondi?

By the way, note the Chrimi-OMGUS.

Anyway, I still want kondi lynched. Kass is probably scum, so is Chrimi. But kondi gets rope today.

[Chrimi]

That is why I am not his partner.

I was on the wagon that lynched the werewolf.

Happy now?

[Chrimi]

VOTE: Thomith

Most viable scum to me at the moment.

[Chrimi]

Beautiful.

+points to asher

[Chrimi]

I especially liked the nomnomnom waffles part.

[Chrimi]

Hmm.

I don't like that. The last two people who claimed seer got lynched.

A scum would not claim at this time..

Although, if it is true, then claiming seer will be fine because without a werewolf there is no night kill.

However, I believe you still may be mafia trying to get rid of the other wolf (you found out who it is) so you are pretending to be seer to get him lynched.

All possibilities, my friend.

[Chrimi]

No NK = Less info for town

Less info for town = further from finding the scum

Which means he can get everybody mislynched. He'd have to be fucking pro, but it's possible.

[Chrimi]

Alright, so:
asher: seer
Om: Town
Thomith: Null/Scum
Fat_Tony: Town
Pirate: Null
Kassadin: Troll

Wow, that reads list is terrible. Closest thing would be
VOTE: Thomith

[Chrimi]

*sigh*

That sucks, I wanted to be a part of a perfect town win.

Looks like that's not happening :/

[Chrimi]

Were they?

Damn, now I'm confusing my games.

[Chrimi]

UNVOTE: Thomith
VOTE: Kass

Better get to writing that, Kass.

[Chrimi]

Slandaar. Crappy selfish fakeclaim.

Oh yes, I remember now.

[Chrimi]

Alright this is going to be fun I guess. I had my gut read going into the day and I'm going to stick with it after reviewing the evidence.

VOTE: Chrimi

A lot of this post is Day 1 stuff. I have a feeling I know how Chrimi is going to react to it, but I'm going to withhold the rest until he says what I believe he is going to say.

You make me laugh.

I have scumhunted, I've found you and you only seem to feed my suspicion.

This is your Day 1 statement to Sland. The problem is that you didn't scumhunt day 1. You waltzed in late. You waited around, picked the easiest, most convenient target, and sat on him for the entire day. You did little investigating. You voted, kicked up dirt, and looked like you were contributing without contributing at all, instead getting the town bogged down in meta discussion and echoing other people's reasons.

Also:

Don't kill om, don't kill asher, and don't kill v2v.

Please, don't.

I can see this post as protecting one or two of your scum buddies. You never explained why you thought the town should not kill om, should not kill me, and should not kill v2v. Explain.

They were very strong town reads at the time. However, how om just barely voted me after you did and the such, I'm starting to not like him.

vote hopping isn't a scum-tell, just saying.
Also i'm fine with either a om or slandaar lynch today, their interactions to me seem like at least one of them is scum, om has the edge atm for the gut read arguement. That and i don't know how many votes slandaar has and i don't want to hammer yet.

You constantly repeat this phrase: Vote hoping isn't scummy.
So are you telling us to go find another reason why Slandaar is scum other than Vote Hopping?
Does that imply that he indeed is scum? You know this, therefore you are scum too?

I love shotgun now.

Perfect, putting this post in my notes

And on top of increasing your vote count with empty statements, you play follow the leader. Dr strolls in, says things that make sense that agree with you, and you adopt them. This is your consistent MO throughout the game.

I have been put into a few games with drmyshotgun and I've liked everything he has said in all of them. And if somebody posts some good points, and I can follow the logic and agree, then I simply follow.

Vote hopping townie for pressure?

Vote hopping isn't applying pressure. Keeping your vote on one person and pressing and pressing is called pressure. Changing your vote every 5 posts is not pressure, it's vote hopping, and doesn't apply much pressure at all.

You post this with a straight face. Then you do this today...

UNVOTE: Thomith
VOTE: Kass

Better get to writing that, Kass.

You have BARELY ever moved your vote this game, even with compelling evidence/claims/etc. Then, at the drop of a hat, you move your vote from Thomith, who you seem to have been tunneling for the past few days, to Kass. Suddenly 2 votes on Thomith is a bad thing? What, fearful that the two mafia will hop on at the last second and bus? Yeah, that's not happening.

No. I had been voting Thomith because he had been rather gut-feeling-scummy, and nobody else had much reason behind a vote that I had noticed. Then kass comes in and follows somebody else's vote, and I hate the troll so I vote him.

So why are you suddenly changing your position? Why do you attack people for voting or not voting or arbitrarily moving their vote when you do the exact same thing.

Read above.

On a final note, I will learn a lot of info on other people's play regardless of how Chrimi flips. If he's mafia, and I believe he is, great. If he is town, that's going to give even more info.

Explain how you would get info from me flipping town, please.

Town has three strikes before striking out. Surely we can get at least one scum in those three swings.

Thanks, captain obvious.

I hate it when people support something with "We should lynch somebody soon, so we should at least make it scum." *facepalm*

[Chrimi]

They were very strong town reads at the time. However, how om just barely voted me after you did and the such, I'm starting to not like him.

Uhh, sorry for the day starting at 5:30AM and me having to go to school?

What.

How does that relate to what I said?

[Chrimi]

derp-de-herp-derp drool-down-your-chin-moron town.

You have correctly classified Kass in every game ever.

[Chrimi]

@Mod: You have kass voting for himself, when he is actually voting for Om.

modedit: I must have forgotten to put Om's name down before copy-pasting Kass' name. FIXED

[Chrimi]

Other people's points made sense, there was already plenty of pressure on him.

Also, changing the words was, as I have explained, my way of making my point. If you don't like it, go whine to the mod.

[Chrimi]

(which is grounds for a modkill at a place I used to play)

IDK, sounds like whining to me.

[Chrimi]

There really isn't a good case on me.

You may declare an intent to hammer if you would actually post a case instead of follow the wagon, Thomith.

UNVOTE: Kass the Troll
VOTE: Thomith

[Chrimi]

If you did it wasn't big enough for a hammer.

[Chrimi]

Chrimi (gut is saying town, but that may possibly be liable to change back to scum).

You're kidding me, right?

[Chrimi]

VOTE: Om

[Chrimi]

Oh god would you just leave Kass?!

[Chrimi]

Because you have your town read on your lynch list.

[Chrimi]

So you want to lynch whoever you'll get the most support for from other players?

Sounds a hella lot like scum.

[Chrimi]

No, your misrepping me. I would not support a wagon on my townreads, which is why they are at the right of the list.
I would support a wagon on my scumreads, which is why they are on the left of the list.
I would not lynch my townreads unless I absolutely have to.

Ah, I see. That explains it.

[Chrimi]

@Mod V/LA about a week

[Chrimi]

UNVOTE: Om
VOTE: Kass

Can we please just kill it?!

[Chrimi]

By doing that u will make the town lose.
I am town sided.
Idc if i die 2day
But i guarantee Om Nom is scum

Are you fucking kidding.

Town won't lose if you die, you're just a single town member if you ARE town and a very unhelpful one at that.

And you keep declaring Om is scum without any reasons.

Why the fuck won't people help me lynch him?!

[Chrimi]

Uhm...

VOTE: andrew94

Somebody has already claimed seer >.>

[Chrimi]

*shit*

UNVOTE:

V/LA = I don't think!

[Chrimi]

Kass is always scum :/

[Chrimi]

Well, anti-town is the best way to put it >.>

[Chrimi]

Welcome.

Reread 39 pages will be hard. I can't give a summary for two days tho, so...

[Chrimi]

MVP for self claiming as seer?

#yearite

Anyways.

VOTE: Thomith

This vote is not moving. He is the last scum, if you disagree you can go fuck yourself.

I'm calling it now. When endgame is here, I can wave it all in your faces 'I fucking told you so'

Anyways, why would Om be so obvious about bussing his buddy? Seriously?

[Chrimi]

EBWOP: MVP for claiming seer as town?

[Chrimi]

If not Thomith, Fat_Tony.

It's one of those two.

[Chrimi]

Btw: Best way for town to lynch this game:

Everyone on Om's wagon is confirmed.

Lynch me, Thomith, and Fat_Tony

We have this game in the bag.

Wether I die or not, town wins. IDC about anything else from this point on ^.^

Could you at least take me last though? I'd like to be alive in one of my games >.>

[Chrimi]

It was good, but his claim should've countered that by far.

And can we please switch it around? It won't change wether we win or lose.

[Chrimi]

As scum, I would never try and switch it around cause I'd still lose. I'd make up some bullshit why some people on Om's wagon are scum.

But you see, I am not scum, and I already know that I win this game. I'd just like to win a game ALIVE for once >.>

[Chrimi]

#1000 post.

I'm sorry, I just couldn't... COULDN'T help it.

[Chrimi]

Yeah I know, but if you lynch me after the other two you still win, right?

And it would be very nice of you

[Chrimi]

No, you have to lynch thomith or Fat_Tony.

I'm going to guess thomith, though.

So go on, there is no night phase so we can just lynch lynch lynch and be over. Cookies if you do it my way!

[Chrimi]

VOTE: Fat_Tony

Fine, I'm down with Fat_Tony. If he's not scum, lynch me tomorrow. When you see I'm not scum, then you'll have to lynch Thomith the scum.

Simple as that.

[Chrimi]

But look at thomith: He could've hammered Om, but he decided not to vote anybody at all (Same as me, and because I'm town that makes him doing it sort of a townread)

Then Fat_tony: He votes me trying to get a wagon started on me and off of Om.

He stands out from the 3 of us. Might as well hit the mole that's sticking out the most, right?

[Chrimi]

Well duh, it's either me thomith or Tony.

The reason I went after kass is because he's a troll and I'm sick of him. I'm in some games with him and he's just... such a lurker. It bugs me.

Anyways, I'll go next, just please,

please

do Tony or Thomith first.

[Chrimi]

Knowing if the scum is

good

, then they were on the wagon of their scumbuddy. It

is

possible.

[Chrimi]

Yeah, honestly I can now see Fat Tony as scum.

Bussing...? He was close to dying, so he calls his scumbuddy scum...?

[Chrimi]

I don't like the idea of Thomith hammering Chrimi. It leads me to believe Thomith is actually scum trying to get a Chrimi mislynch. And scum not making the next move may have to do with scum probably being on the wagon.

Damn, my brain is going a mile a minute and I don't really know where I stand with my reads now. I need some time to think this over.
UNVOTE:
For now.

This could also be considered bussing.

Or all three of us are town?

I'm really starting to consider this game isn't over yet. Somebody on their scumbuddy's wagon is the last scum.

UNVOTE:

[Chrimi]

actually chrimi, when om got hammered, i'm pretty sure i wasn't online, as i remember om being at L-2 or something when i left, and i was going to vote him when i get back.

out of fat/chrimi i prefer a chrimi vote, so

VOTE: chrimi

Nice excuse....

[Chrimi]

Alright, so after all of this multi-posting, I'm going to take a rest and actually decide what I'm going to go for. I think everything above is possible, but I would like to take a break and think it through.

God I hate playing mafia while on the road...

[Chrimi]

btw, Vijay signed up for this game just to play another game with me.

And holy shit...

Saying this ahead of time:

God damn Om don't buddy me again >.>

Good game guys, Claiming town.

VOTE: Chrimi
Go for Fat and Thomith next. If they flip town, take out BK.

[Chrimi]

BK is scum.

Stuff about considering to give in to my appeal... It's a scum saying "Oh I was thinking of unvoting..."...

Anyways, BK, thanks for the game, it was fun. I hope you had fun with Om

The last 2 survivors

must

be Kass and andrew. Kass town, andrew seer, end of game. Lynch in order: Thomith, Fat_Tony, BK.

Thanks for the game guys

[Chrimi]

MVP for self claiming as seer?

#yearite

Anyways.

VOTE: Thomith

This vote is not moving. He is the last scum, if you disagree you can go fuck yourself.

I'm calling it now. When endgame is here, I can wave it all in your faces 'I fucking told you so'

Anyways, why would Om be so obvious about bussing his buddy? Seriously?

*Aheh, Aheh, AHEM*

[Chrimi]

Uhhuh.

Why don't people listen to me :'(

[Chrimi]

Anyways, if

really

nobody saw the sarcasm,

NO

I didn't think BK was scum there >.<


It was a fun game guys, much better than the normals Thanks!

[Chrimi]

Yeah, I moved it because I knew nobody was following the scum so I might as well try and get things going.

That self hammer speeded things up though, for sure

Back from V/LA, right as this game ends. Sorry I was V/La for a lot of it >.>

[Chrimi]

Eek, I knew you were scum last day cause you wouldn't say much besides "I wasn't here to vote earlier. *vote Chrimi*" >.<

Anyways, it was a hard game for you guys but you did well