Open 398 - Alternating 9p- End of game

[Amrun]

I forgot I signed up for this game. >.>

Sorry.

Mods, please, for the love of God, send links with your pms. H/o catch up real quick.

[Amrun]

Oh, good, still in RVS.

VOTE: Chrimi

For saying he doesn't like me for no reason.

Townreads on glowball and Sotty. (yesssssssssss)

[Amrun]

You had better stop fucking talking, right now.

And why do you think I have townreads on them?

[Amrun]

I swear to God.

This is bordering on reportable.

Shut the fuck up.

[Amrun]

Actually, fuck it, I'm reporting it.

[Amrun]

I'm dead serious.

I think you might have just forced me to replace out of the other game by fucking talking about it.

[Amrun]

And that really fucking upsets me.

[Amrun]

Yes, you were, and I think you know it. We don't have any interaction at all except for in an on-going game. My RVS vote was just silly because I assumed it was innocent. But then you got flippant about it - "YOU know why I don't like you" etc. The ONLY THING that could come from is an ongoing game.

[Amrun]

But conversation needs to stop about it RIGHT NOW before the issue gets worse.

[Amrun]

Why do you want to undermine my town reads?

[Amrun]

No, let's just chill it for now. Nothing should affect this game in any case. Let's just move on here.

[Amrun]

glowball is a fine and upstanding citizen.

[Amrun]

That's anti-town and I won't do it.

[Amrun]

No, I'll answer. There is no need to give everyone (including scum) a map of who we have town reads on and who they should kill at night.

Why do you think my two townreads are invalid, but that everyone should give reads on everyone else in the game? If I can't have townreads yet, then how could we complete this task?

[Amrun]

Sorry.

[Amrun]

It just strikes me as odd that she forgot about the game when she was confirmed and a

mass game start pm was sent out with a link iirc

.

Didn't happen, btw. Do you think I would lurk through rvs as scum?

[Amrun]

Oops, missed a page.

Show me scum that lurks through RVS. Seriously. Link it. Show it.

I have a history of missing the start of a game when I don't get a game link - as town. Patrick's last speed mafia is a good example. I'm on record in MD saying mods need to do that.

[Amrun]

Hard to read the game with the Amrun/Chrimi argument, but will try some ISO's on different people to get things developping. Will be back later tonight to do so.

This is a terrible, terrible post.

So, bad, in fact ...

VOTE: hoops

How can you use a half a page exchange as an excuse not to read the game? This is classic scum stalling.

Haha, this game is going nowhere is the problem, split.

And, notice that V/LA sign?

<--- It's over there somewhere.

It means I'm driving back home from a long vacation and really don't have time to get in gear and get the game moving. Maybe tomorrow.

This abdication of responsibility is sooo scummy. If only I had 2 votes.

[Amrun]

I was going to comment on that post but I didn't want to re-start the conversation about it.

I can see hero_bash just not getting why I was upset about talking about an ongoing game etc. He's obviously pretty new to ms.

[Amrun]

You don't know to what end, and yet you vote me?

[Amrun]

VOTE: drmyshotgun

Answer my question.

[Amrun]

I got guesses on why you would do that if ou're either town or maf but either way I don't buy that you were really offended by his statement.

Then what are those guesses?

In EM, is it kosher to talk about ongoing games?

[Amrun]

So what are the code of mafia then?

Also, not really.

Still no answer to my question.

This is a terrible, terrible post.
So, bad, in fact ...
VOTE: hoops
How can you use a half a page exchange as an excuse not to read the game? This is classic scum stalling.

It isn't so much not reading the game, as having trouble getting early reads. The exchange itself may have been half a page, but there was a whole other page with many posts talking about that exchange. Makes it hard to jump into for me. Also, not an excuse, so don't make it out to be an excuse. I take responsibility for not being active early on.

It literally was an excuse. You're excusing yourself from posting content. f you don't make use of early game conversations, and don't like early game town reads, what do you hope to get reads from? You didn't even TRY to determine Chrimi's, myself's, or anyone else's alignment.

[Amrun]

Hoops, you did that AFTER I called out that useless post. You can't reinvent history.

[Amrun]

It's getting quite hot here and since I'm obvious noob and town can I sit back, relax, and enjoy in the idea that I'm a town anyway?

No.

[Amrun]

Come on Elmo, you know you've been cruising. Check your iso, there isn't much substance in there. Except if you count your "hunches" and "reasons" that you can't/won't share with everyone for unspecified reasons.

And you haven't been cruising and going on hunches?

[Amrun]

VOTE: splitfarvle

Because I can.


also, <3 glow

[Amrun]

Wow, that's actually a great point on accident. I forgot Elmo previously suspected hero when he made that PL comment.

You can't really "policy lynch" a suspect, and that wording makes it feel like a really disingenuous attempt at simply killing hero in any way possible.

VOTE: Elmo

[Amrun]

What kind of post is that, elmo?

[Amrun]

Why would flailing be a town option?

[Amrun]

It depends on what you mean by "weird," Sotty. I tend to take a different approach to each new game, especially early game.

As for Elmo, I'm not voting him for being lazy at all. I'm voting him for being opportunistic and crying "policy lynch" on a scum suspect.

[Amrun]

You can change how many posts display on a page... somehow.

You don't seem to understand the difference between not saying all of our townreads and giving reads in a game. We have to give reads, especially scumreads. We DON'T have to say who we have townreads on and why for every single player on the list. I don't even mind giving townreads - but a whole list, early game like that, isn't going to do anyone any good. The worst is explaining WHY townreads are townreads unless he or she is about to get lynched.

[Amrun]

To be fair though, in the context of our game, Chrimi was only asking for reads not necessarily townreads but I think he's "

every

player"(58) did make him sound anti-town.

Giving reads on all players will yield both town reads and scum reads... No one is going to think EVERYONE is scum.

[Amrun]

She clearly just mixed them up. I got who she was trying to vote for.

[Amrun]

Why?

[Amrun]

*cries*

[Amrun]

traveling tomorrow, no idea if I can post, BUT declaring intent to hammer

[Amrun]

Sir Bastion, why do you think disappearing after the pressure lifts is anything but a scumtell?

[Amrun]

Also, split, what does "changing votes a lot" means?

[Amrun]

claaaaaaaaaaaimmmms. i want them.

[Amrun]

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[Amrun]

Sir Bastion had been pretty useless and made a terrible call to unvote that I found scummy, so my guess is that the scumteam is super noob who was intimidated by his scummy.

VOTE: hoops

One of hoops and hero is scum. I suspected one of them yesterday and I forget which. V/la for the weekend, will remind myself later.

[Amrun]

One of hoops and hero is scum. I suspected one of them yesterday and I forget which.

Weren't you voting for Elmo yesterday?
Does this mean, the Nightkill has altered not only your vote direction today, but also your memory?

Uh, what? I still suspect elmo. Changing reads isn't a scumtell anyway, especially over night. Why would you even go with this anti-town line of inquiry?

But I think there was a reason it was hard to get the hoops wagon off yesterday. Let's kill it.

[Amrun]

Have we heard from split today? No hammer until that happens. Also we might as well wait to see if hoops responds to the prod. If not, I say lynch.

[Amrun]

I'm assuming that he did, as that's standard practice.

[Amrun]

Ugh...

Mod: Did hoops respond to a prod over night?

[Amrun]

Are you damaged in the brain? I haven't forgotten about elmo at all. And "eager to mislynch and get to nightphase" is not even a THING. Who is my "other suspect?"

Also, what do you think of Sotty?

What does Sir Bastion being a strange NK have to do with drmy's argument about me, which is crap?

As for not hammering hoops, I am so bummed that I didn't, but I didn't check the game. I didn't realize deadline was so close, and I saw Sir Bastion's thing about he would vote in the next three hours if hoops didn't respond, and then I was busy and not at a computer.

When I got the pm about end of day and looked at the thread, I was absolutely fucking astounded and decided Sir Bastion could easily be scum and wanted to push him today. But then scum KILLED HIM - which prompted my nk analysis and today's vote. I suspected hoops yesterday, too, though.

PS, all you idiots, changing your vote is not a scumtell.

Splitfarvle, you were voting someone else today and you voted me today! OH NOES U SCUM!

Seriously dumbest argument ever.

[Amrun]

Also, subtly pushing hoops as scum while arguing that I'm pushing him as a mislynch is fencesitting in the biggest manner.

And saying I'm scum eager for a mislynch and THEN saying I'm scummy for not hammering yesterday is the biggest cognitive disconnect ever.

Add splitfarvle to the suspicions list, but below elmo and hoops.

[Amrun]

Oh, and, split, what's your read on drmyshotgun?

[Amrun]

Ew, don't do that ever again. That shit is terrible.

I don't WANT to lynch someone who isn't posting. I want hoops to come back.

I do NOT suspect hero. I said I couldn't remember which one of them I suspected, but I remembered that it was hoops. That's pretty evident from my posts.

Why don't you suspect Sotty for agreeing with me, if my logic is so bad?

YES, that is more likely than Sir Bastion got killed for voting Elmo, but Elmo is a totally acceptable lynch today, 100%. I think a hoops/Elmo scumteam could totally work.

That's not a strawman - it's clearly not a serious accusation against you. It's showing how bad YOUR attack is, because that's what you and drmyshotgun are saying, and it makes no sense. You agree with drmy, and say I "forgot" elmo, so you're blatantly lying when you say that you suspect me for other reasons.

And yes you ARE pushing things - have you forgotten that you PUSHED HOOPS ALL OF YESTERDAY? And then you say that he may have siteflaked, but was scum in the other game - PS, IF HE FUCKING SITE FLAKED, THAT IS THE MOST IRRELEVANT THING IN THE WORLD. But you choose to mention it, to put that thought into people's minds, even though it's totally invalid.

Did you "forget" your hoops suspicion?

The reason I suspect you is because your attack on me is completely illogical. I'm "opportunistic" for pushing hoops today and for NOT HAMMERING hoops yesterday? That makes NO FUCKING SENSE AT ALL.
A) That's not OMGUS, B) OMGUS isn't a scumtell.

[Amrun]

But it's a minor third suspicion because you could just be a total fucking idiot.

[Amrun]

Sadly, you are scum. We're probably going to kill you.

MOD: PLEASE ANSWER IF HOOPS PICKED UP A PROD OVER NIGHT.

Sotty: I'm p good with that voting bloc.

[Amrun]

It's completely un-standard for night to finish without someone picking up a prod. This is the second time I've asked, and I want an answer.

You're still close to a newbie yourself, Elmo, and I don't think you ever played with Sir Bastion. You could have been intimidated the same way by him, ESPECIALLY considering he was voting for your yesterday, and/or swayed by your more newbie partner.

[Amrun]

Why would flailing be a town option?

It depends on what you mean by "weird," Sotty. I tend to take a different approach to each new game, especially early game.

As for Elmo, I'm not voting him for being lazy at all. I'm voting him for being opportunistic and crying "policy lynch" on a scum suspect.

General vibe, Elmo. Yes, I find trying to get a PL off on your suspect HIGHLY opportunistic and super scummy. I also hated that one post where you were decided whether to flail? It was weird, and it did not seem town-motivated.

Today has also demonstrated that you're image-conscious. You're only commenting on things that pertain to you, and you're not scumhunting. You're concerned over whether you're seen as scum but not about who actually IS scum.

[Amrun]

Uh, what?

[Amrun]

Yes, I checked it at that time, showed my support for the hammer, and then assumed SB would make good on his word. Tbh, I forgot my vote wasn't on hoops already, but it doesn't really matter.

And yes, I remember that hero had said that thing about SB. I haven't decided what to make of it yet. I had a mild townread on sb.

[Amrun]

Wait a minute. You replaced hoops. Why do you care why I didn't hammer? You should know you're not scum.

[Amrun]

A simple and short as I can make it.

1. Amrun isn't paying attention to the game.
a. "misses" the opportunity to hammer
b. "Forgets" if she suspects hero or hoops, votes hoops in the same post
2. Suspects Elmo on D1, yet eager to quicklynch a player who flaked D2 without mentioning a case on Elmo
3. Response to my case: UR DUMB and NUH-UH and OMGUS

1. Yes, I am - to the best of my ability. This has been a fucking insane couple of weeks for me. It is opening season of my family business (and a holiday weekend right now, which is one of our biggest weekends of the year), and last week, my cousin stole a car and flipped it across four lanes of traffic which caused my very ill aunt to have a massive stroke. Yeah, mafia has been pretty low on my priority list, especially this boring as fuck game. That doesn't make me scum. This isn't remotely a scum tell.

1a. Yes, I did this. I can't and don't expect anyone to just take my word on that one.
1b. No - I forgot if I suspected hero or hoops YESTERDAY, but was pretty sure it was hoops (it was). I did not have time to do ANYTHING - I was actually v/la at the point of that post, but the day opened, so I felt obligated to try and post something though I was very frazzled. I double checked when I had a little more time to make sure I was right that it was hoops.

2. Yeah, I never said we should quicklynch hoops. I said we should wait for everyone to check in at the very least. I do support a lynch on hoops, and Scott Brosius' fence sitting hasn't made me like the lynch any less. You suspected hoops yesterday, but haven't mentioned your suspicion on hoops at all today - so you have done literally EXACTLY the same thing.

3. That was NOT my response at all, and that's a totally misrepresentative strawman. ONCE AGAIN, it is also not OMGUS, and OMGUS isn't a scumtell even if it were. I voted for you YESTERDAY. Your case

doesn't make any sense

and I showed why.

Fuck you all and fuck this game. I hate everyone today. I'm in so much fucking pain. My back injury is fucking horrible right now and my job involves fairly constant heavy lifting. So yeah, big middle finger to you and all of mafia today. My patience has run out with it lately.

p-edit: Yeah, that would honestly make me pretty happy at this point in time. He gets scummier by the post.

VOTE: splitfarvle

[Amrun]

I take back fuck you all <3 Everyone but Sotty.

idk my posting level for the rest of the weekend, all the way through tuesday as it is holiday. As I mentioned, busy, business, etc. I will declare v/la if I find I can't post tomorrow. (right now it's up in the air)

p-edit: drmyshotgun is probably town. SHOTGUN, VOTE SPLIT PLZ.

[Amrun]

I meant "fuck you" to everyone but Sotty. Haha.

[Amrun]

I retract yours too because you voted split.

[Amrun]

I have. You haven't even responded, and that's response enough - so wagon ho!

I will retract all fuck yous in exchange for a split lynch. :3

I feel much better after shouting at you all.

[Amrun]

SOTTTTTTTTTTTTTY

WHY CAN'T I FIGURE OUT YOUR BREADCRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMB

Best guess is innocent on me or Chrimi. Damn.

[Amrun]

Oh wait, I'm stupid. lol NVM. Last night was night 2. Of course it was.

[Amrun]

Also you all are fucking stupid. It's mylo.

VOTE: no lynch

[Amrun]

Less talking, more no lynching.

[Amrun]

What the FUCKING fuck elmo kill? Let me catch up here.

[Amrun]

Okay, first of all, Elmo was going for BOTH hero and drmyshotgun, so...

And Chrimi, I'm not really following your logic on why gunny is town. Can we break it down some more?

I feel like I felt drmyshotgun was town yesterday but I forget why. Going to read them both.

[Amrun]

Elmo is like the newbiest of all newb kills, though, but both drmyshotgun and hero are pretty big newbs. Hero moreso, though.

[Amrun]

doc save would be cool but wouldn't that get us back to this same place.

Why did you save this?

Now you just claimed Scum by putting a bullshit fake-claim for your partner to NK me tonight.

there's no tonight. and doc would be as good as town in the coming night, no pont in trying to find out who is doc. but to be honest i was expecting scum 'doc' to be the first to claim.

What are you saying? How do you know there will be no tonight?

Why are saying that there's no point in finding out who the doctor is? Why would scum claim doctor off the bat?

VOTE: drmyshotgun

I'm doc, SOTTY at n1, noone in N3.

What did you do night 2?

Why didn't you do anything night 3?


@drmyshotgun: What did you night 2?

[Amrun]

Oh, derp, okay, omit that part of the question. I forgot what the set-up was.

[Amrun]

Why would I kill elmo? I would have been voting him today if he hadn't died. But whatever.

[Amrun]

I meant "say," not "save."

Why do you keep saying "the doc" as if it wasn't you?


And that actually was supposed to be a trap, but Chrimi sort of ruined it, eh. I thought I might still get gunny with it but probably not now.

[Amrun]

I lean towards him, yes, I would. I want to do more analysis, but what I have done so far suggests that hero is town, and his posting continues to be pretty genuine.

[Amrun]

@both of you: explain your motivations for your targets.

@hero: Who were you going to target n3 before you changed your mind?

[Amrun]

Yeah, no.

You shouldn't need to think to answer my questions, and hero doesn't need an excuse to be alive.

[Amrun]

I don't remember why I thought gunny was town, and I even looked. It probably had something to do with going after me, not an easy target.

Doesn't really matter as I don't think it any more. Pretty ready to vote for him - waiting on scott.

Not answering scumteam speculations and neither should anyone else.

[Amrun]

No, it's standard for replacements to happen at night. Since it didn't happen here, the assumption is that hoops responded over night. However, the question of whether or not this actually happened, the mod has conspicuously not answered.

Bad modding practice, all around.

[Amrun]

It's relevant to the game, and I'll say what I please. You're not the first one to make that kind of modding misjudgment and you won't be the last, IF you made it here. But you should have answered the question about it.

[Amrun]

I'm not saying he is, but he should stop interfering with the game. What?

[Amrun]

No, I'm not... And yes, he is.

Hero asked about standard practice, so I informed him of the answer, which is basically that we don't know because we are not sure if the mod followed standard practice or not.

[Amrun]

Already force replaced

[Amrun]

I know.

I had this game in the bag until the mod went on his period ._.

That's actually not true at all, though - because you were my absolute pick for scum if drmyshotgun was scum. Of course, I wasn't going to outright say that so that you wouldn't NK me. I might have picked Scott Brosius instead if I hadn't been convinced he wasn't around on N1, which drastically reduced his chances of being scum because of the NK which implicated him (but the opposite if he wasn't around) - and also if he hadn't blatantly not hammered drmyshotgun.

Blacklisting Captain Haddock as a mod, of course. He turned a very minor issue which wasn't a big deal (not replacing hoopsmcgee) night 1 turn into a full blown idiot attack because he was butthurt.

He didn't even PM me when he force replaced me in LyLo in a way which I thought made it obvious I was town, and he took hours to open the PMs I sent him trying to figure out what was going on.

Pro tip: never talk to a player in the thread like that. It is a surefire way to ruin any game.


Thanks so much to UberNinja, who came along and did everything I was going to do anyway. <3

[Amrun]

Oh, wow, I didn't realize the game wasn't officially declared over. I apologize for posting.

[Amrun]

You did well, Chrimi.

And yeah, the no lynch was p bad but it is, at least, a defensible decision.

[Amrun]

You had great focus and seeing your play was a joy. I was so scared my slot would be ruined, but you improved it!