Open 398 - Alternating 9p- End of game

[Sotty7]

I think we should totally lynch Amrun today.

Vote: Amrun

[Sotty7]

WHY YOU NO WATCH EXTREME RULES?!?!

Because the E has be "lol" quality lately. Also I pretty much only watch the main PPVs (Rumble, WM)

Heads up, I work now with no access to the comp during those times. This is kinda a test game to see how active I can be and if I can juggle mafia with work. Pretty sure I can, but just don't expect me to be around at the drop of the hat during the days any more.

It has been noted that no one wants to start a bandwagon. I'm trying to decide just how much I hate that.

[Sotty7]

@hoops: ?

VOTE: hoopsmcgee

?

Vote: hero

Turns out, I hate it a lot.

[Sotty7]

Hey there Sotty.

Hello!

...We don't know each other right?

[Sotty7]

Why did you wait for me to unvote to vote her?

[Sotty7]

Amrun is town yo. Kinda sad about that since I still want my pound of flesh for White Flag. I'll forgive that if we can combine our super powers to crack this game

Not sure about Chrimi though. I want to see something more before I comment further about that. To be continued.

[Sotty7]

Oh also

@hoops: ?

VOTE: hoopsmcgee

?

Vote: hero

Turns out, I hate it a lot.

I'm in serious land right here.

[Sotty7]

No, I'll answer. There is no need to give everyone (including scum) a map of who we have town reads on and who they should kill at night.

Why do you think my two townreads are invalid, but that everyone should give reads on everyone else in the game? If I can't have townreads yet, then how could we complete this task?

I don't think they're invalid.

I had just asked why they were your town reads.

And I see how that would be anti town, didn't think of it that way.

Why do you think Amrun should explain page two town reads? How deep do you actually expect them to be?

[Sotty7]

Okay guys my left eye is swollen causing double vision which is why I've been away. Sorry. I don't know how long this is going to last but it's most likely caused by the strain I've put on my eyes being on the computer more than I sleep. Plus I already have horrible vision and have been wearing the wrong prescription glasses. All bad. I am getting a bad feeling about Amrun from what I could read. It just strikes me as odd that she forgot about the game when she was confirmed and a mass game start pm was sent out with a link iirc.

What benefit does hypo ScumAmrun get from lurking this early in the game?

Your reaching here.

[Sotty7]

Sorry!

Hyposcum whoever means hypothetically if so and so was scum. So I was asking Glow that how exactly did Amrun gain an advantage if she lurked as scum in the very early game. A question she couldn't really answer either. Not really sure that's a scum tell on her though. Also a mass pm was sent, but with no link.

Glow, what's your opinion on posts 5 and 7?

[Sotty7]

Here's a hint.

ISO four pages in isn't going to help you or us.

[Sotty7]

No Hero and hops.

I find the opening exchange between the two interesting but no one else seems to care.

[Sotty7]

No, Sotty, I noticed it as well. I just wasn't going to bring it up until they showed up.

lol

Okay, what did you notice about it?

[Sotty7]

Yeah, I think Chrimi is pretty scummy too split.

There's no rush though, he can continue to flounder for awhile. At least until we get everyone playing the game.

[Sotty7]

I don't think I like this game much.

hero, I'm not sure why you are so defensive in 130 and your protection of hoops is kinda strange. His vote on you is a poor reaction to an RVS vote and to write it off as a null tell is leaping to conclusions. Reasoning that he is just a new player is one way to look at it I guess, but it's just

so

dismissive.

I'll read some more tomorrow when I'm not half a sleep.

[Sotty7]

Lol, Sotty

was

half a sleep. xD

Lol yes. I meant Hoops not hero.

Geez.

[Sotty7]

After a surface skim I kinda like how hoops is handling this pressure.

I'll read more in depth after work tomorrow

[Sotty7]

@Splitfarvle, with not much to go on, my vote was more to get a reaction that to lynch scum. As our votes are our main tool in the game as town, I feel we should use them to put weight to what we say. In early game, it's not so much for scum-lynching, but more for the game to progress (beyond RVS).

This seems reasonable, but I'm not sure I buy it because you never followed up on it until you were pressed to explain yourself. I also find your case on Elmo hyprocritical because you've admitted that you yourself haven't been into the game and providing content. Besides your case on Elmo, you've just been posting excuses and defending yourself.

I think you're scum.

This seems reasonable BUT here's a list of reasons why you're

scummy anyway.

Come on man, really?

Defending yourself isn't scummy, please elaborate why you think it is in this situation. You said he had a case, isn't that more than others have been doing? Why so fixated on hoops for being "guilty" of this?

Vote: split

The "I think your scum" part pushed me over the edge. Just ugh... So fake.

[Sotty7]

Are we running Elmo up for being lazy? Do we have proof he tries in his games as town and not as scum?

Cause that would be cool if we did.

*Reading*

[Sotty7]

Get well soon glow.

@Sotty7: In what sense do you mean "I don't think I like this game much."?

Sorry I missed this before.

Just that I wasn't getting into it much and it kinda sucked. But I'm warming to it now, things be picking up.

It does seem reasonable, but I don't believe it because he did follow up on it. In his case on Elmo, he is accusing him of doing things that he himself are doing. I didn't say defending himself is scummy, but that's the majority of his posts.

Frankly, it's all explained right there in the post you quoted.

Yeah, this doesn't gel. If it is reasonable then it that means there is some truth to it somewhere right? Otherwise, where does the "reasonable" part come in? It's like you put that out there first as if to soften the blow of "I think you're scum." Townies don't often want to soften the blow to people they strongly believe are scum. They want them to

diescumdie.

You're fueling the wagon with this post, while trying to look like you aren't fueling the wagon. Basically I think you are candy coating your response and it's scummy.

Are we running Elmo up for being lazy?

After reading, I'm reminded that Elmo hasn't been lazy in this game. So what's the deal here?

hoops is kinda hard to figure out. He is handling the pressure on him like a champ but I disagree with a lot of his stances. He seems to be very much a "mafia by the numbers" type player. His tone is overly serious and down to business that is often read as scummy and for some players it can be a valid scum tell. But this could just be the way he is. I'd like more time to unwrap this enigma.

Amrun, why are you being weird in this game?

[Sotty7]

It depends on what you mean by "weird," Sotty. I tend to take a different approach to each new game, especially early game.

As for Elmo, I'm not voting him for being lazy at all. I'm voting him for being opportunistic and crying "policy lynch" on a scum suspect.

Okay I didn't really get your Elmo vote, but I guess that is fair enough.

[Sotty7]

He likes to ignore direct references to him, it's kinda annoying.

[Sotty7]

Time has been short the last few days. Expect me here tomorrow/Monday after mothers day hijinks.

[Sotty7]

Another reread and I change my vote: VOTE: split

??????

This is the second time I did this to you and it's not looking good.

*doubletake* Elaborate why it's "not looking too good"?

I actually like hero now. His rush of posting feels very much like a new player getting his feet wet and it's all very open and fresh that it reads town for me.

We're talking about how hero is posting on this page and it is totally newb town.

And how hoops is scum.

Maybe I like you as well now.

I wouldn't be against a hoops lynch at this point. Let him post again before there is a hammer though. Elmo shouldn't be lynched at this stage.

[Sotty7]

Yup. I didn't think

you

were annoying, just that trend of non commenting was.

[Sotty7]

Aha! He

was

lurking.

wut

[Sotty7]

Hey Chrimi, whatcha think about Dr?

[Sotty7]

I gotcha.

[Sotty7]

This stalling is not amusing me.

Hoops should claim next time he logs on. This is an intent to hammer.

[Sotty7]

(Sir Bastion, how'd you get that Best Newbie banner above your av?)

It's called a scummy and they get awarded yearly, he won 2011's best newb!

Also, seriously what happened to hoops?

[Sotty7]

Unvote, Vote: hoopsmcgee

[Sotty7]

Aha! He

was

lurking.

Vote: Drmyshotgun

That no lynch was pretty disgraceful, lets not have that happen again.

[Sotty7]

I agree with your first sentence 100% Amrun.

The vote isn't terrible either.

[Sotty7]

Aha! He

was

lurking.

Vote: Drmyshotgun

That no lynch was pretty disgraceful, lets not have that happen again.

He

was

lurking. What about it?

And you did what after this post?

[Sotty7]

That's a bad answer and you should feel bad.

[Sotty7]

Hey no sucking up to me!

...But thanks

[Sotty7]

Can we please not talk about night kills. This is a veteran protip for future reference.

Also I'm seeing no reason to rush this day. I am willing to hammer hoops but when I'm good an ready and I'm not ready.

I would have hopped that hoops responded to a prod over night before day restarting...

[Sotty7]

yes but..

Is my only comment about

that

[Sotty7]

Her other big suspect is a newbie.

This is a junk point. You're pretty much all newbs apart from Amrum and myself (and maybe Elmo) Amrun's explanation about her reaction to the flip in this game and how her reads have migrated is extremely town to me. Mostly because she is describing exactly what went though my head.

Chrimi buddying with Amrun and Sotty noted.

Chrimi and I are becoming open 398 bff's. Amrun is pretty town, I'm all but ready to form a voting block with these guys.

You find this scummy?

[Sotty7]

P.S. On that note, me and Shotty are usually BFFs in our games, the fact that he seems to not be in this one makes me wonder if it's because he's acting differently from what I'm used to...

What is different? Links? I'm waiting for Gunny's response to me but I have more to say about this soon.

@Sotty: You agree with Amrun, but then later say not to look into the NK. Well which one is it?

Context is important.

When I said stop talking about the night kill, I meant the future night kill. Chrimi said I would be the night kill tonight or something like that. That's dangerous speculation to have in thread.

Scott's entrance was actually pretty good. He needs to place a vote though.

[Sotty7]

I'm also pretty sure the mod didn't check hoops would be active before reopening the game which is terrible.

With two scum alive however it doesn't compromise the slot either way.

[Sotty7]

Mod:

Vote count please

That vote leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Looks like you pushed Amrun to L-1 while at the same time discrediting the two people you are on the wagon with?

[Sotty7]

Okay, it's l-2 but still.

[Sotty7]

Do you still think Amrun is definitely town as you mentioned before?

Yup.

Gunny, stop ignoring me

[Sotty7]

Chrimi buddying with Amrun and Sotty noted.

Chrimi and I are becoming open 398 bff's. Amrun is pretty town, I'm all but ready to form a voting block with these guys.

You find this scummy?

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[Sotty7]

I guess I am blind, my bad.

A minimalist answer but it's okay, I will walk you though this. Why is it scummy?

[Sotty7]

drmyshotgun: 3 (Sotty7, Chrimi, Elmo TeH AzN)
Amrun: 3 (drmyshotgun, Splitfarvle, Scott)
Scott: 2 (hero_bash, Amrun)

^ I think this is about right.

Lurking : Hero and Split

The Amrun wagon is terrible, but I am no longer in love with the Gunny wagon either.

Unvote, Vote: Split

Amrun, lets do this.

[Sotty7]

It is certainly out of ordinary.

In all his games

where Chrimi buddied

with me,

he was Town.

wut

Maybe he thinks that I'm out of ordinary, but I'm not really feeling his love on this one. Thus I suspect he's not on the same side as I am on this game.

So you're finding him scummy because he is buddying players that aren't you even though buddying is a town trait he has shown before?

I'm confused.

[Sotty7]

Yeah I've been wanting to rip into post 384 for awhile but wanted you to do it instead since it is a case on you after all Amrun.

Also <3

Don't give up on us. You should be giving a middle finger to life! Sometimes it deserves it.

[Sotty7]

I can clearly see that Amrun and you (sotty) are experienced players. I think it is sly and scummy of him to buddy with you guys over me.

I can understand this point.

My counter point is that you just told me that buddying his a town trait of Chrimi's. So if you put your hurt feelings to one side maybe it's not as scummy as you want it to be?

Also I asked Chrimi for links, but you can provide them as well. Games of you two playing together if you would. Thanks.

[Sotty7]

Oh and just pointing out, many people have mistaken Hoops and Hero in this game. The two of them were often swapped causing some confusion on Day 1.

And?

I take back fuck you all <3 Everyone but Sotty.

Everyone but me?

Also Amrun we are so on the same wave length at this point. It's almost scary.

[Sotty7]

I love it when the townies can come together to achieve something.

Thanks for the links. Will check them out shortly.

[Sotty7]

What a fucking joke. Give me a case I can respond to that isn't OMGUS or White Knight bullshit.

lolwut

[Sotty7]

Newbs be newbing in this thread.

I'm frustrated and happy all at once. Now we just need the mod to be active..

[Sotty7]

After lurking all day as well.

[Sotty7]

Shaking the rust off in this one. Still it was relatively fun to play despite the drama.

Chrimi, we can still be BFF's? You played well, I'm impressed. Why did you guys kill me? I don't think I would have lynched you. Gunny probably, but you? Nah. Mafia QT would be nice.

Amrun you're always town when we play. I like that. Don't ever change.

As for the modding, yeah it wasn't great but none of it was game breaking. All of it combined left a bad taste in my mouth though. Here is some feedback, take it or leave it.

- The no lynch was poor in my mind. If you are going to be that strict on your deadline you should make that very clear in your rule set. You didn't as a result, I was pissed.

- Never let inactive players go though the night without being replaced. Delay day opening if you have to, the players in the game will understand (most anyway) It saves potential game breaking, or just players pondering about others alignment based on mod actions or inaction. Neither is a good thing.

- I don't know all the details around the amrun situation, but I hope force replacement wasn't the first reaction you had. Just because a player doesn't agree with whatever decision you made doesn't give you the right to dismiss them from the game in that manner. PMs are invaluable here, if you don't want to discuss a ruling you made, make that clear and most players will drop it until end game or replace out themselves.

All in all I think everyone can learn a little something from this game. Thanks guys, wasn't the best return but it could have been way worse.