Open 398 - Alternating 9p- End of game

[Scott Brosius]

Hey all, short game it appears so I'll read up. Anything I should know immediately?

[Scott Brosius]

@Splitfarvle, with not much to go on, my vote was more to get a reaction that to lynch scum. As our votes are our main tool in the game as town, I feel we should use them to put weight to what we say. In early game, it's not so much for scum-lynching, but more for the game to progress (beyond RVS).

This seems reasonable, but I'm not sure I buy it because you never followed up on it until you were pressed to explain yourself. I also find your case on Elmo hyprocritical because you've admitted that you yourself haven't been into the game and providing content. Besides your case on Elmo, you've just been posting excuses and defending yourself.

I think you're scum.

This seems reasonable BUT here's a list of reasons why you're

scummy anyway.

Come on man, really?

Defending yourself isn't scummy, please elaborate why you think it is in this situation. You said he had a case, isn't that more than others have been doing? Why so fixated on hoops for being "guilty" of this?

Vote: split

The "I think your scum" part pushed me over the edge. Just ugh... So fake.

Not much in the first 6ish pages, pushes against my slot, boring arguments with Amrun. The above is the first real interesting bit and I definitely agree with Sotty that it looks forced and fake

Too many Caps and "!?!?!?" and randomness for me.

And I simply meant I wouldn't be surprised if there was a scum on his wagon, maybe even two (since one scum sometimes follows the other's vote) but you guys got all angry. I wasn't even paying attention to the people on his wagon at that time, I was just saying he was way too "newb town" to have a legit, nonscummy wagon.

Pet peeve of mine and complete fluff. The whole "I BET THERES SCUM ON THAT WAGON" is probably true for 96% of wagons just by simply probability. It's a useless empty comment that scum can use to then justify a later vote/lynch.

Wow, that's actually a great point on accident. I forgot Elmo previously suspected hero when he made that PL comment.

You can't really "policy lynch" a suspect, and that wording makes it feel like a really disingenuous attempt at simply killing hero in any way possible.

VOTE: Elmo

This is also a good point.

The whole weirdness between Amrun and hero_bash is odd.

Yes I did mixed it up. No reason to be suspicious, I was mindlessly typing it away.

Also thanks drshotgun for answer my technical questions

The no need to be suspicious comment is definitely concerning.

I'm jumping mainly because I don't have much right now and also to not be prodded.

VOTE: hoops

Yeah this is good....

Agreed with Amrun as well.

drmyshotgun, I'm not thirsty for blood, it just seems like there was a reason he wasn't lynched yesterday and that's because he's scum and his scumbuddy wouldn't vote him. Or something of the sort, I'm not sure.

I'm pretty sure that it makes him scum though.

But this cannot be true of Elmo who was also not lynched yesterday after being close at deadline?

Also, subtly pushing hoops as scum while arguing that I'm pushing him as a mislynch is fencesitting in the biggest manner.

And saying I'm scum eager for a mislynch and THEN saying I'm scummy for not hammering yesterday is the biggest cognitive disconnect ever.

Add splitfarvle to the suspicions list, but below elmo and hoops.

This is very much true, and the scummiest thing to date in thread

[Scott Brosius]

Amrun you state your read that the scum team must be noob and killed Bastion due to his title. Here you have a player who has openly admitted to seeing that title in thread, yet your vote isn't on him?

I was on this topic and was refreshing for new replies then realized there were new replies just on new pages.

Anyway, not much to say and I guess I'll wait or hoops as well.

(Sir Bastion, how'd you get that Best Newbie banner above your av?)

As for not hammering hoops, I am so bummed that I didn't, but I didn't check the game. I didn't realize deadline was so close, and I saw Sir Bastion's thing about he would vote in the next three hours if hoops didn't respond, and then I was busy and not at a computer.

Also this is questionable. Bastion posted that at 10pm before deadline. You then posted a graphic hammer at 12:38 am and had ample opportunity to hammer. You then posted in another game at 2am, proving you were still on the site with plenty of opportunity to hammer......

I just get a weird feeling from the NK and the immediate comment from Amrun SCUM TEAM MUST BE NOOB DUE TO THAT KILL. It looks overzealous and almost too excited that she set this framing up.

@Sotty: You agree with Amrun, but then later say not to look into the NK. Well which one is it?

The problem I have currently is that Amrun is doing good scumhunting, and the two currently on that wagon are hardly beacons of town. Bleh, I need to think about this more. Considering I'm currently at L-1 and have been for some time, may as well claim. VT

[Scott Brosius]

You are doing a lot of "forgetting".

The whole hammer business is much different with a small open game with limited scum such as this. I think it's more damning (and advantageous for scum) to allow a NL to go through, especially in this kind of setup. If you get a NL of any kind, you essentially deprive the town of two lynches, as we can now only get to MYLO, and we will be forced to NL again. That is not taking into account the advantage of the lack of information given by a D1 flip. It is MUCH more advantageous for scum to allow the NL to go through, than to hammer in your spot.

That is something only players with more experience would recognize though.

[Scott Brosius]

P.S. On that note, me and Shotty are usually BFFs in our games, the fact that he seems to not be in this one makes me wonder if it's because he's acting differently from what I'm used to...

What is different? Links? I'm waiting for Gunny's response to me but I have more to say about this soon.

@Sotty: You agree with Amrun, but then later say not to look into the NK. Well which one is it?

Context is important.

When I said stop talking about the night kill, I meant the future night kill. Chrimi said I would be the night kill tonight or something like that. That's dangerous speculation to have in thread.

Scott's entrance was actually pretty good. He needs to place a vote though.

I misunderstood what you said. Makes sense.

Also I think the cop should claim with his result tomorrow (assuming he is still alive). It is highly doubtful that we will get more than one result, as an even-night cop would have to live to N4 (which at this point would be the night before LYLO). It also either 1. finds scum with a guilty or 2. gives us two clears and potentially some NK WIFOM if the doctor is still alive (choosing between cop or cleared player or forcing them to NK someone not as town-appearing)

I'm still torn about Amrun. The suspect behavior is there, but I'm still not thrilled with shotty and split being the only players on the wagon but I feel good enough about it.

Vote: Amrun

[Scott Brosius]

Yes it's L-2. What Amrun has done is scummy and suspicious. That takes precedence over the admittedly questionable people on the wagon.

Do you still think Amrun is definitely town as you mentioned before?

[Scott Brosius]

Doctor can or cannot protect, really up to them. There is outside chance doc protects the scum NK target, but then scum could play that card back at them and just not kill since it doesn't really hurt them to do that as we would be in the same situation.

No lynch is still best option, doctor obviously claims tomorrow if alive. 3 votes for no-lynch should be enough (as lynch is not possible unless 4 people vote). Nobody offer any opinions or anything for the rest of today, no need to direct scum NKs.

[Scott Brosius]

I have returned, I'll read up.

[Scott Brosius]

You fucking fail.

I'm the Doctor

If you thought that shobby phoney claim would save your ass, think again.
I protected Sotty Night 1, and I protected Scott Brosius Night 3.
Now you just claimed Scum by putting a bullshit fake-claim for your partner to NK me tonight.
Well, kiss your partner goodbye.
Town, I'm happy with the hammer right this instant.
After I die, lynch Chrimi. He is Scum with this little pal.

No breadcrumbs from you I suppose? No chance hero would have left any.

drmyshotgun(1) Chrimi
Chrimi(1) hero_bash
hero_bash(1) Elmo Teh AzN

Not voting: Scott Brosius, drmyshotgun, Amrun

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline: 11th of May, 2012 9pm(gmt)

This vote count stayed constant for almost 12 hours. This means a pairing of me and shotty, me and Amrun, and Amrun and shotty are highly unlikely since we did not hop on the hammer train. This also means that if shotty is fakeclaiming, his only likely partner is Chrimi. Bleh.

Amrun and hero really make sense together, but the fact that Amrun didn't hammer shotty puts that to rest.

Ugh, it's such a good spot for a counterclaim if hero is actually the doctor, as it is so easily discredited. I'm leaning slightly towards hero being the actual doctor. I need to think about this some more. I'm weary of being "protected" N3, especially from a player who has NOT MENTIONED me at all in this game. Almost looks like an attempt to buy my vote.

I wrote this all before lolforcereplace.

[Scott Brosius]

gg..awaiting gunny and scott(?) vote.

Err, no man. Chrimi is just bussing you for infinite Town cred for him to bag.
He ain't getting that.

Good morning...

Was not expecting an Elmo kill O.o

VOTE: Hero

..............What happened to me? You bussing your partner now right?
Doctor should claim, no?

I asked this prior to actually making the claim in order to do two things:
1. Get approval from everybody in the Daylight. I'm relatively new, didn't know Mylo=No lynches, so I wanted 100% support for the claim.
2. To see if Hero would fakeclaim. Yes. I always saw him as the kind of a fallguy for him and Chrimi team. So yeah, I was half expecting him to claim before me. Look at him coming into the day without claiming first.
But when he was put into L-1, he screams out: "I'm DOC btw forgot to claim."
Forgot? So he meant to claim prior to anything, but merely forgot?

If you go on to vote me Scott, then you posted like 10 posts in this game and helped out in killing a Doc in the live Daylight. At least let me fall during the Night after eliminating an imposter.

You didn't answer my question. Did you breadcrumb? Trying to shame me into voting hero is not going to work.

@Uber There was a NL day 1, and then we were at MYLO yesterday so we NL again. Also we should focus on shotty vs. hero at this point, everyone else is irrelevant for the time being.

[Scott Brosius]

I'm here, still perusing. Not hammering yet.

[Scott Brosius]

Vote: drmyshotgun

[Scott Brosius]

Well that's a strange LYLO maneuver.

[Scott Brosius]

Flailing scum is flailing

Vote: Chrimi

[Scott Brosius]

Sotty, it was definitely fun. We killed you because I, at least, suspected you as a PR, and because I, at least, was making it seem like a noob kill by drmyshotgun. It was large bussing plan that failed in the very end ._.

Well, it was fun, I did good until the last day or two, thanks for the game

Mafia QT: http://quicktopic.com/47/H/x8xfj5Dm5Tq

You played well, you just got caught in a process of elimination situation. Once shotty went down, there was no way either me or Amrun/ninja were his partner.