Open 398 - Alternating 9p- End of game

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@hoops: ?

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Hi guys first first time playing on the forums. I got tired of waiting for the newb qeue so I went straight to here.

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Sexist? Is this a sexsit mafia I can smell with my nose?

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I swear to God.

This is bordering on reportable.

Shut the fuck up.

This.. was so weird, like it came out of nowhere still don't know what to think of it.

PS
is there a better way of viewing the posts aside from going from page to page?

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Oh ok, this is a really different ballpark than epicmafia but ok this is gonna be fun. MehI think Amrun was purposely setting of Chrimi, not that it's conclusive, just confusing. Townread on Elmo and not just because he replied to my previous post.

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To what end I ask you, to what end?

I'm honestly not sure.

Anyway,

VOTE: Amrun

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I got guesses on why you would do that if ou're either town or maf but either way I don't buy that you were really offended by his statement.

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So what are the code of mafia then?

Also, not really.

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It's getting quite hot here and since I'm obvious noob and town can I sit back, relax, and enjoy in the idea that I'm a town anyway?

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(Can I view this topic using some lo-fi or what where I could see all posts in one page)

Ok I don't want to get lynched so I reread and will start talking.

Ok, Amrun and bluhorse, to answer your question. No. I will retract my statement - I know it seems scummy - that you are purposefully trying to get on Chrimi, I seem to have missed the point that he might be trying to reference some games. That idea completely went over me. Honest. I didn't even considered the idea that you might already know each other by playing on the forums.

With that said. Yes I did OMGUS hoops at the start of the game, I often play night first setups so an obvious RVS wasn't so obvious to me. Apparently scumhunting automatically begins without anyone dying yet. Which is interesting.

As for the spotlight on hoops. I don't see what exchange there would be as mentioned by sotty and elmo, between me and hops unless we both are lurking mafia. I don't even get why hoops' few statements would be scummy, but that's my inexperienced noobsense talking. Hoops also defended it pretty well, the focus is being on him for the most part so I don't find that post too defensive. Just the right amount of defensiveness. post130.

132, Amrun talking about hoops not contributing much but previously saying townreads maps aren't necessarily needed. Also defending those he doesn't suspect of reserving what their reads are while pressuring others who might not have made up their minds to out saying it's scummy to not do so.

You didn't even TRY to determine Chrimi's, myself's, or anyone else's alignment.

There is no need to give everyone (including scum) a map of who we have town reads on and who they should kill at night.

I find it strange Amrunisn't going after Elmo, he doesn't even have a townread on him.
Oops I was writing this while I'm reading didn't realize Amrun got to elmo on this page.

Chrimi's jumping on to hoops with 'flying of the scumcharts' without reevaluating what the others have said while voting hoops is kinda suspicious. For me. 154 is just similar to what hoops did yet nobody seem to care, again he jumped wihtout doing the ISO(?) first(what is ISO?) and say his guts are killing him while actually slipping in that vote for hoops.

I don't know what to think of the split issue.

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Vote: Chrimi

How do you do that whith white background?

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But honestyl how do you view this topic on only one page? Switching pages isn't conjusive, I actually have all pages opened on ym browser.

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To be fair though, in the context of our game, Chrimi was only asking for reads not necessarily townreads but I think he's "

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player"(58) did make him sound anti-town.

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(Also does anybody know why my siggy don't show up?)

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Get well soon glow, I just read about your condition, me too I considered fiding a replacement since I wasn't that much into game, -_- was used too much in sandbox EM(for those who don't know there are tons roles to play there, but often troll town). But anyway for the experience I'll stickaround I doubt maf would kill me, they'd surely want a noob stay in town.

Anyway, yes Amrun that's why I guess the

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did him in. And I don't really trust the Amrun issue I raised, just put it out there if ever needed I'll be staying with my current vote. And to make it official: VOTE: Chrimi[/b]

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oh.. fuck(are wea llowed to curse here?)... VOTE: VOTE: Amrun

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NO!! ASGFAHFUHALWFHWO!! I need to sleep.. VOTE: chrimi

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Yes I did mixed it up. No reason to be suspicious, I was mindlessly typing it away.

Also thanks drshotgun for answer my technical questions

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Huh, I don't know why you guys don't promote the display posts by user, it is kind of enlightening. Shame it's max is 3 users, if it can show all users, we could have had a whole topic in one page.

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Aww, why didn't you comment on me voting you?

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Another reread and I change my vote: VOTE: split

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I hate him.

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Not really, he hasn't even voted me.

But to be serious I tried writing a paragraph but scratching it off. I'll reread again tomorrow probably my vote will change, I'm the most behind on this just realizing stuff people has already pointed out so yea. Also amrun and elmo didn't give any reason on the split vote not that I just copied them but there is my reason why I didn't feel the need to point out my reason.

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Oh the reaction test.. yea.. that.. I don't buy that.
Who wouldn't ask what was the reason by suddenly switching a vote to split after being pointed out on your pl to me. It was perfectly natural he reacted as his argument against you is how you reserve your reasons. You were just asking for that reaction because you know you would get it, I don't even care if that's how you play town, it starts to sound scummy as time goes by.
Actually realizing this I would really like to switch my vote to you but well, as I said I think I might need a good reread since I was just skimming throght the pages.

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Meh I fear the heat might be transferred to me so might as well. Mainly I don't like his attack on hoops, not that I'm defending hoops, just that his reasons. Again, I might need to revisit the whole hoops issue but pointing out h was hypocritical when he actually built a good case on elmo was a bit umm. weird(?)
Mainly because if he was goingwith his reasons of waiting for the 'follow ups' to be revealed, it might make more sense to do a vote for elmo, being the most reserved and privately doing his mind play in the background.

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(finally a newbie game opened. hope I do better there than what I'm doing here)

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Why? I don't see anything strange by changing vote after a reread.

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@glowball: After being asked of the reasons of my every vote, I feel the need to do the same, what exactly isn't sitting right with you?

I kinda want to switch my vote to Elmo, should I? So he would actually start talking about his hunches or whatever but I'm voting too many times which I think is kind of suspicious.
Meh. VOTE: Elmo Mainly for reasons already pointed out by hoops and chrimi.

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Why don't you agree with it? I thought you were voting hoops for the reason he's doing the same thing elmo's doing.

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I was on this topic and was refreshing for new replies then realized there were new replies just on new pages.

Anyway, not much to say and I guess I'll wait or hoops as well.

(Sir Bastion, how'd you get that Best Newbie banner above your av?)

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Happy birthday Sotty. I'm sucking up to you so you won't vote me. loljoke.

I'll keep my vote I guess, I kinda lost my train of thought in the game on that 3 days.

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I'm jumping mainly because I don't have much right now and also to not be prodded.

VOTE: hoops

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VOTE: split

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I want to vote elmo.. but I don't know. split for now.

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Oh wow I didn't know that was hammer.

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what can we do but wait for the flip

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VOTE: Elmo

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VOTE: chrimi

cuz i'm not sure what he's getting at.

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btw i didn't vote him because shot suspected us as team. i actually have chrimi-elmo fos

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Why are you mad you weren't gonna move your vote from split anyways.

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well...

VOTE: no lynch

kill me maf

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doc save would be cool but wouldn't that get us back to this same place.

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Good morning...

Was not expecting an Elmo kill O.o

VOTE: Hero

please tell me why. Also a quick vote at the beginning of a lylo interesting, it wouldn't hurt to reread everything in this game first.

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I probably would've died last night if you were scum...

nice excuse.

I think we should post who are guesses for the two maf are. please do on your next posts. I'll just reread for a bit.

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Which leads me.. Chrimi following what you've said then the other maf would be scott right?
I guess we're pretty sure Amrun is town, and you dismissed gunny as maf. So your two would be me and scott right?

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I guess we're pretty sure Amrun is town

By this I meant no argument so far has been strong enough to support him being maf obviously won't be dismissing slight chance he's maf.

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STOP VOTING. town unvote if maf gets online at the same time with that vote they could just me as well and it will be auto lynch. I'm doc

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fuck me if either of these two are town. I'M DOC btw forgot to claim.

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(mfw I forgot to claim and got votes)

Waiting for another maf to put hammer.. anyway GG this is my first game btw and I think I picked up a few things here and there will try tobe a better player next time.

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VOTE: drmyshotgun

I'm doc, SOTTY at n1, noone in N3.

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Now you just claimed Scum by putting a bullshit fake-claim for your partner to NK me tonight.

there's no tonight. and doc would be as good as town in the coming night, no pont in trying to find out who is doc. but to be honest i was expecting scum 'doc' to be the first to claim.

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Chrimi please remove your vote if you're town, since time will tell when that other maf would come or if you're maf as well then this wou.d be great.

also Chrimi bussing me makes no sense at all. And why aren't you voting him instead of me, you were all over him on the past days even giving those 'evidence' to sotty.

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also wow, if I wasn't doc I would almost feel thatwas believable as I felt the same thing when you said you were doc. I literally type "hahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha" but removed it since I need to be more composed.

So I guess I'll post a summary of what I've read so far. Not like it matters, all I can do is babble before the other maf shows up.

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@Chrimi: I really hope you are maf. I really hopesince i'm dead if not. I know you're excitable but give it a thought, I suggesst unvote now and wait for the others, there's no harm in waiting for a little while.

@drmyshotgun: you seem to have a problem of temporal nature. You voted me before I claimed. Please explain that.

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@chrimi: think about this for a while..
YOU voted me.
(nobody has claimed cop yet)
GUNNY voted me (why not you since he got fos on me-you team?) note (i haven't claimed yet) Hypo-maf: he's taking avantage of your vote then awaits his partner. Hypo-doc: he has no reason to vote for me since I claimed after his ote.

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#EDIT: (nobody has claimed doc yet)

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So gunny with my question, why did you vote me?

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I'll be rereading with my new found knowledge of one maf then give my analysis on who might be the partner. might take a while but I hope amrun and scott would be here by then.

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Ok here's my angle for this day:
I'm doc, I know 1 maf. My goal would be to lynch gunny while trying to find out partner. And I need to convince everyone else, hopefully that careless vote by gunny was a start.

Gunny is maf pretending to be doc, which leads me to believe Chrimi isn't maf since that town vote gave him confidence to give an instant vote and the arrival of other maf would instantyl decide the game. No need for further for further talk or whatever.

So there is a maf between Amrun and Scott. I'll get back to find it out and hopefully present a well written case.

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drmyshotgun (1) <- hero_bash
hero_bash(1) <- "dr" myshotgun
1 is definitely maf.

Chrimi, Amrun, Scott (1 maf)

I suggesst don't put votes along with your questions etc. Let the fos defend himself first, because if one town votes a town, then it's game over.

From what I got so far Amrun wasn't as clean as my impression lead me to believe(gonna put quotes and stuff next), also it's fun reading when you have already find 1 maf.

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I've read but I still can't figure out who the partner might be, for one dr did bring hoops to l-1, risky if they were partners esp. amrun intends a hammer, or maybe he really wanted to bus and fortunately wasn't hammered. How lucky if hoops and dr was maf.
On the flipside, it would make sense if dr and amrun were partners forcing a nl.

Dr did vote amrun on next day due to changing votes but that doesn't make amrun town or what.

p-edit: drmyshotgun is probably town. SHOTGUN, VOTE SPLIT PLZ.

this worry me.

I'm leaning Scot maf, mainly because of hoops but he wasn't really actie lately so idk.
But the split lynch was interesting as well, which makes me consider amrun..
hmm..

Chrimi why did you vote me at start of day? I mean what happened to your case with gunny. I'll guess because of my hammer but remember that was almost lead by amrun encouraging others to do the lynch I just happened to be the last.

Also dr still hasn't answered about why he prioritized me over chrimi.

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I probably would've died last night if you were scum...

Why? I don't think they really care about who fosses who last day so dr evading suspicion by not killing his main aggressor isn't really towntell. I'm sure the maf were sniffing who was doc for that nk.

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Why did you save this?

what do you mean?

What are you saying? How do you know there will be no tonight?

Why are saying that there's no point in finding out who the doctor is? Why would scum claim doctor off the bat?

You're right. Now that I think about it doc still has use since he's cleared and will die before we get to the 2town-1maf day.

I just assumed that scum doc would go first to be idk more belieable.

What did you do night 2?

i know this is supposed to be a trap for the fake doc.

as for n3 I initially went for saving you but realized it might be better to run with noone. My line of thinking being i'm not yet sure who is the town to prtoect and was basing off my doc from my impressions of who are town, but then gain it would hurt if you're maf and you didn't kill anyone at night because then you would be cleared by me.

Oh, derp, okay, omit that part of the question. I forgot what the set-up was.

You did thesame with the cop can't blame you if you actually forgot though.

My exact reaction. Elmo probably would've been easier to lynch than someone like you, Amrun, which makes me suspect you a tad.

That's assuming amrun isn't maf.

VOTE: drmyshotgun

i' proud of you.

The way I see it noone really has any reason to kill elmo if they were maf. I could kil him since he vote me but that would turn badly for me, or maf could kill him to make fos on me but either way it's WIFOM all the way. I still believe they think he's DOC and that's the only reason they went after him.

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Chrimi since I'm pretty sure you're town, you could remove your fos on me-amrun maf, since if we were maf he would just drop in a vote to kill drmyshotgun and we win. watch his login times.

So that leaves me-scott as maf partners. If we were maf this would be a game decider, since he could come in and just vote. If he comes in and doesn't vote for dr that meanse me-scott doesn't exist.

And obviousy me-gunny doesn't exist. So that clears me. So if after this post amrun has been around and scott, you would then believe me, and we can deliberate for our vote for who is the remaining maf next day.

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meant "say," not "save."

Why do you keep saying "the doc" as if it wasn't you?

so they won't kill me? it's wifom and i understand if you won't believe it. wifom is 50/50 anyway.

As for "the doc", idk just a way of discussing things with everything on the 3rd person aneutral view to help towns decide if you may.

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Hero, if you are doctor, and you know that drmyshotgun, who is your best bet for his partner?

I'm not sure yet, also Chrimi with this momentum unless something went wrogn then we can get 1 maf and the other will nk. unless someone built a good case against you, you and i will be candidates and or guessses this day would mean something when maf decides who to kill. but prob it'll be me who'll die since 100% cleared.

Anyways, it's either you and scott or drmyshotgun and Amrun.

Why are you ruling out dr and amrun?


Anyway I find it strange scott isn't here, you'd expect the maf to be the ones who'll appear first since this is there chance to win. If amrun was maf I bet he would just bus, kill me, and from what's going so far chrimi will prob hammer to lynch scott tomorrow. I don't know, i'll be afk, when i'm back i'll give more thoughts.

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@dr: a reasonable town wouldn't vote carelessly in this part of the day as I said both maf could jump on that then game over. even if you're so sure i'm maf no town would do that.

which makes chrimi suspicious however im willing to leave that to his 'personality'.

@chrimi: it's good you unvote, now i'm pretty sure you're town. again people don't throw your votes senselessly, though I was happy with your vote to gunny it also made you suspicious, now i know you just like to throw votes and not really sure what to do. confused town.

@amrun: sotty was the most town for me n1, i ahve decided that even before night came.. n3 i doced you before i undocecd. good move seeing as you weren't the target. i wouldn't have thought of protecting elmo as he was my fos.

Scumteam would have noticed him saying: "Confirmed Town".
Why did he leave him be? Well, there was a good excuse to be made from explaining his survival.
Frankly speaking, he was quite useless and moreso clueless in this game.
Well, guess what? He's actually Scum and that explains why he survived the Nights.

if you really can think like scum as you mentioned you should know why i'm left alive.

As the Day 4 began, I asked if the Doctor should claim, wanting to see the Town's viewpoint on claiming at Lylo, and seeing if a Scum would claim first.
I honestly didn't expect the Scum to claim Doctor at this point, but Hero took the bait.

Funny we are thinking the same. Unfortunately I felt the need to claim (btw before you point out my contradiction, yees i didn't forget to claim i intentionally didn't) because of that chrimi vote. but why did i say i forget i felt the need to convince chrimi since as you may imagine, it was a dangerous dangersou point for the game.

I think you acted alone in killing Elmo. I saw Chrimi's opportunistic bussing you as soon as the get go and I voted you to add pressure and in very high suspicion.

i openly fossed him and chrimi why would i kill him if i was maf. that leaves me fossing chrimi this day who is my supposed partner?
add pressure! hahahahahahahaha.. votes in this part isn't used merely for pressure, it's used to lynch. again, a single misvote can easily be jumped by both maf with no explanation whatsoever.

Until now that you've claimed, my vote is not moving. I want your death, I want it NOW.

i want you and you partner's head.. and believe me i'll find him.

Hero's actions have all been building for this point. I think he was always one "fallguy" for the Scumteam.
The person who knows he won't last long and just poke around the attention so that he can just claim and drag out the real PR. Me, in this case.
His opportunistic hammering of Split, him saying he was "confirmed-town so I will sit back". Him throwing his votes around without much point.
These actions fit quite nicely for him to claim.

i knew i would last long, i've said this posts before but maf wouldn't want a newbtown as me dead. exactly what do you mean by opportunistic?

Scott really solidified himself as Town in my mind.

explain.

@amrun: answer why you though gunny was town last day.

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I think you acted alone in killing Elmo. I saw Chrimi's opportunistic bussing you as soon as the get go and I voted you to add pressure and in very high suspicion.

comedy gold. if i kiled elmo without consent from chrimi, do you really think he'll hate me so much as to bus me, if we could easily win this day if we work carefully together.

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That post just seemed extremely scummy to me, IDK why...

while my suspicion to you has reduced to 99% town I still have to ask why did you find it scummy?

I read what I said and it was reasonable imo.

And as to why I'm concerened, as you can see, you being a town, I need to convince you.. and I will, and we will work together lest we lose this game.
Since the other town is between amrun or scott, both experienced, i'm happy and confident. help me here.

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comedy gold. if i kiled elmo without consent from chrimi, do you really think he'll hate me so much as to bus me, if we could easily win this day if we work carefully together.

does gunny agree that chrimi-hero_bash doesn't exist?

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please prod scott.

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@Amrun: Who do you think are the two maf?

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@Chrimi: I'm not sure if you answered this but why did you vote me again at day's start?

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Not answering scumteam speculations and neither should anyone else.

er.. yea, i guess that's the preferrable answer.


i'm leaning chrimi town though.

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@chrimi: i forgot what were your reasons again for continually fossing gunny on the past days?

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question. if you are a maf and your partner didn't appear in the 3 days, there's nothing else you oculd do right? i mean obviously you can't get him replaced in night since it'll be obvious he's a pr. also, on the 48(?) hours before prod, does it only count on day or even in night?

@Chrimi: i'm too lazy.

i hope i'm dead this night.

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lol. wtf just happened here?

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gg..awaiting gunny and scott(?) vote.

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I still can't seem to believe you over gunny.

cause you're not thinking.

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i'm done for this day.

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if you would have just waited chrimi i could have shown how much of a scum dr is.

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since this is game over, i think i'll have to give a guess on who is maf partner. for me it's scott. in this day dr seems to be trying to appeal to amrun more than scott, of course he won't try to appeal to his maf partner since he knows he got his back.

and scott on that post seems to try to appeal to me, which might be great if dr dies now and i was chosen to hammer next day between him and amrun.

but i don't know, i'm still too newbie for that other maf be it amrun or scott. shame, i admit defeat.

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Err, no man. Chrimi is just bussing you for infinite Town cred for him to bag.
He ain't getting that.

i can't believe chrimi is falling for this.. just lol.

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this is so obvious it hurts, btw chrimi if you read this before the other maf logs in put your vote away. i still have questions for gunny.

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Gunny, are you 100% sure it's chrimi-hero_bash? I just want to know if you have doubt on that partnership fos of yours.

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aww, and i was having secret chrimi/gunny fos too. hoping to be left alive because of my open townchrimi declaration.


btw uber what do you think of their votes at day's start, that's the only thing that bothers me if chrimi-gunny.

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Why didn't hero_bash claim Doc on Day 1 when he was run up?

what's 'run up'?

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? was i L-1ed at d1?

also uber, scot has been very inactive lately, he didn't even replied last day and just have short burst of posts now, i wouldn't be surprised if he just missed the L-1s to me this day.

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Wow I didn't even notice I was L1ed at d2, I woudl have seriously considered claiming at that point.

And he posted AFTER there was an L-1 on you.

who?

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And he posted AFTER there was an L-1 on you.

Do you mean this day? Because he only had a chance to post when Chrimi unvoted.

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I have a secret.. I'm actually maf. GG

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good luck town!