Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

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VOTE: Venmar
For being the first vote.

Hello all, just two questions, simply because I Like to start out learning these two things:

1: What Timezone are you in?

2: How often do you expect to be posting?

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For myself the answers are:
1. PDT (or is it PST?)

2. I'm going to shoot for at least once per day.

Yes there is a reason I ask these two questions. I like to have a very post active game, it gives out more information and in my opinion makes it easier to catch scum.
So let's do this!

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Yeah, it's a bit cliche. But there were no names that stuck out to me as "I can get some humor from a random vote" and I didn't feel like my roll a die random vote.

Also, I believe that lurking makes it harder to catch scum. So if you give pressure and make sure they make posts, you are much more likely to get things accomplished, such as catching scum.

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Simple. It gives me a base line for how active YOU expect to be as a player so that I know what to expect from you.

Mainly it's to keep me from going "Hey where's player X?" Both of them are for that purpose. (though frankly one is a question that should always be asked no matter what.)

Ahhh, so that's where Potack comes from...

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Meh dr. I have no Illusions about my RQS being able to sniff out scum. It's mainly so that I'm not going "Player X hasn't posted in 5 pages = Scummy"

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True enough dr. Though really, I had thought my mindset rather obvious on how it helps.

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Okay Panda, Explain how my questions are scummy.

Are you one of those people who thinks that RVS/RQS is scummy?

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TAM, I like that you're trying to establish accountability. I don't like that you see lurking in deviation of their answer to your question as a scumtell. People ignore games for tons of reasons. Do you plan to drive policy lynches when this happens?

I only drive policy lynches on lurkers/inactives if there are one or two scenarios. The main one is:. They are posting elsewhere and ACTIVELY ignoring the game. If you aren't posting in any of the games you are in, that's one thing... If you are posting in All of your games save one, and you are not dead in that game that's scummy. Or at least anti town.

I'm more likely to pressure vote a lurker/inactive to boost their activity a little.

Also @RedPanda
So you are policy lynching me, for asking two questions because I like an active game because it's easier to catch scum that way? And could you at least answer the first one? At least it gives a time frame of when to expect an answer from you if you have a question asked at you.

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Okay RedPanda, explain this. Besides me, only 4 people have posted anything. Yet you expect me to start scumhunting this early?

Off of what, so far everyone seems pretty town to me. Because 8 people haven't posted yet. I'm including you as town because I think the scumminess I'm reading from you is playstyle.

@Everyone: What do you think of what is currently going on? Town vs. Town, Town vs. Scum, or Scum vs Scum. (Note, TvS only means that one is town the other is scum.)

Personally, I think it's Policy Lynching Town vs Town.

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@RedPanda: Why the early claim for no reason? If you are telling the truth all you are doing is narrowing down who the Masons are so the scum can kill. And if you are lying... See above.

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So TAM, you instantly believe our claims just like that? Okay~

Where did I say that? Right now, you lean town to me, that could change. I have a question for you later down here so please answer it.

Okay RedPanda, explain this. Besides me, only 4 people have posted anything. Yet you expect me to start scumhunting this early?

good you're a smart cookie.

unvote

But why do you think shotgun venmar and bork are town?

Right now their posts seem townie... Though I would like Shotgun to explain his easy acceptance of your idea of claiming early and basically trying to flush out the town for scum to kill... HOW IS THIS PRO TOWN?

@RedPanda: Why the early claim for no reason? If you are telling the truth all you are doing is narrowing down who the Masons are so the scum can kill. And if you are lying... See above.

you answered your own question.[/quote]
So are you confessing yourself to be scum? Because I don't see how this claim is benefiting town at all. Mafia can easily claim vanilla, trick the town into lynching town, kill off the Masons at night under that idea. Unless you are presuming that Mafia will take the obvious route of fakeclaiming Mason, which can quickly be outed after one death.

I claim Vanilla Townie
VOTE: TAM

once we catch those 5 other VT's

this games going to be as easy as eating cake.

Let the townhunting begin.

UNVOTE: Venmar

@Potack-ruv
Why is RP obvtown?

Especially after the above post? (As in the one quoted)

How so Potack?

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EBWODP: (Relavant section to edit quoted)

@RedPanda: Why the early claim for no reason? If you are telling the truth all you are doing is narrowing down who the Masons are so the scum can kill. And if you are lying... See above.

you answered your own question.

So are you confessing yourself to be scum? Because I don't see how this claim is benefiting town at all. Mafia can easily claim vanilla, trick the town into lynching town, kill off the Masons at night under that idea. Unless you are presuming that Mafia will take the obvious route of fakeclaiming Mason, which can quickly be outed after one death.

@Red: Still, I don't like the logic behind it. It feels off.

And explain how I'm trying to push you? I'm pushing at your motivation. I don't see how it helps town. Weren't you just complaining about moves that don't help Town?

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@Potack, your explanation makes sense. However, I don't see the advantage to town that that move holds.

I think I have all my questions answered at present, I'll have to read through to see if I gain anything new from a re read.

kk RP

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Today's not going to be a very active day for me due to company.

Regarding TAM:
Honestly, I thought you were misinformed town until #38. My read on you prior to that was that you're trying to get discussion moving (good) but your metric for determining scumminess is HORRIBLE (null). Yet after, you back away from your earlier stance by saying that you only plan to policy lynch people determined by their activity compared to OTHER games (Which makes the answer to your #2 worthless), and then even go as far to admit that lurking might just be anti-town and not scummy. This backtracking is mildly scummy.

Going to respond to this before I give my thoughts on McStabs look at Venmar

1. Lurking is anti-town, if you are playing anti-town you are (at least in this game) playing for scum and why you should be lynched.

Where did I say I would policy lynch people who deviate from what they said they would post? I would policy VOTE them, but I'd only push for them to be lynched if say, over the period of two meat world days, I saw them consistently posting in another Open and ignoring this one completely. (Note this is an example, basically it still boils down to, if you don't post in your games at least once per RW day, I'm probably going to go after you.)


On Venmar's "slip"
I didn't read it as a slip, to me he was saying: "You want a sample of my play in a completed game, Here is a location. Oh and it's me as scum so you can compare it to my current play to see that I'm town." That's the idea I think he was trying to get across.

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drmyshotgun, I would suggest answering them. Otherwise you'll just seem more scummy for refusing to answer them.

Or pretty much what Potack just said.

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Bork, I must agree with you on your opinion of Shotgun's answer... That didn't really answer the question at all.

@Shotgun:
in 212 did you mean to quote Chirmi's post that you responded to instead of borks?

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Shotgun, I don't know if I said this earlier, but refusing to give information and being defensive is a scumtell. Especially in a game like this where there is no role like Doctor or Cop that needs to be protected.

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When I play as scum I make myself feel and believe what I am saying, and I get actual scumvibes like I do when town. I don't believe that scum players don't also 'speak from the heart' as well.

So you agree That it came straight from the heart and that he believes in it.

So why does that make him not town?

The fact that he posted it quickly just doesn't really change my read on him. Are you telling me that, as scum, you've never done a mad rant, typed it out quickly, hit send and never looked back?

It was pretty detailed for a mad rant.

I think fifteen minutes is plenty of time. In fifteen minutes I am sure any experienced player could pull off a post like that as scum.

An experienced player would make a better case than that.

I've seen less experienced Mafia make that kind of case from the heart. I've done that in games on my old site where I'm scum.

Though usually it's case first then other stuff.

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I hate two person "I'm scum, no you're scum" arguements... Usually it ends up in Lynching a Townie and if you aren't involved just is annoying.

I'm going to read through and see if I can find anything new or intriguing.

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Will have a long pbpa ISO post with my reads (and the ISO's providing the reasoning) sometime in the next two days...

The Shogun/Potack debate was only giving me major info about them.

Also the mass amount of people replacing out is annoying me.

But welcome code x.

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@TAM - What are your views on the VT claims, or just town claims in general?

Going through my own reread through of the game, but I'm going to answer your question now, so I don't forget to and it doesn't get lost in my really long post.

As a general rule, I don't like out of the blue, first post no pressure on them Vanilla Town claims. In general I don't like no pressure claims in general. For me if you claim and you aren't at L-1... I'm a little suspicious. Even if I take you at your word, I don't trust it until I can have undeniable proof you are town.

Will post more stuff later.

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I admit, I am prod dodging a little. In part because of real life issues, and in part because I've been working on your ISO Soben. So would you rather me impart each piece of it as I finish it or would you like it all in full?

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How do you think it will Argula? Answer before you read the rest of the post.

Soben:
1. mentions he's a hydra and gives answers to my questions and says to stop the claim game. Is unsure what to make from my post 42, thinks Panda and Potack are both leaning town. Venmar seems scummy to him. Doesn't see the Bork Scumread.
2. quotes post made by a seperate hydra account put in game by accident and apologizes, askes for explanation of Town read.
3. Says the other account is a hydra. kind of sees Potack's point and Venmar-Bork are unlikely partners. Finds players who are over defensive to be generally scum. Comments on shogun some more.
4. Asks people to stop the discussion over claims.
5. Explains how it doesn't help determine alignment. All it does is reveal Masons sublty to scum. Also says that it's his first time PLAYING with everyone other than Andrew and Red. Says he'll do some meta research on Ven later. Maybe make his partner do it.
6. Explains to Shotgun why Potack's play isn't scummy. Tries to get Shotgun to stop because basically everyone else can just float by and jump on one of him/potack. Asks Tech for instance for Ven acting similarly to town. Also responds to a questionf from Venmar.
7. Announces as his hydra buddy, Asks Potack what his agenda is with fighting Shotgun, doesn't feel like it's catching scum.
8. Fluff.
9. Says we should start focusing on players who haven't been posting much. Says Shotgun/Potack argument allows lurking.
10. Fluff, allowing for it only being early in the game.
11. Responds to Potack. Admits that Scumhunter likes to be contrary to RegFan and Reg doesn't know why they Hydra.
12. Fluff.
13. Explains what a Hydra is. Asks RedPanda's thoughts on the shotgun thing, says that the "slip" McStab caught isn't really a slip in his mind but go ahead and vote Venmar if Mcstab wishes.
14. Oh and he adds that McStab is pretty much conf.town, explains why.
15. Gives town meta for Om's/McStabs editing quote. Also wants explanation from Andrew on why Shotgun is 100% Town not RP.
16. Responds to Bork's question (in part) to Shotgun, tries to get him to focus on other players.
17. Wants an end to the mini argument, not scumy but anti town are semantics arguments. Om should try to explain/convince the venmar town read.
18. Hates gut reads because gut is wrong alot and logic is the reverse. But explains why he has the scum read on him. warns Om against doing a certain tactic.
19. Says the game(referring to Ven's one scum game) in question doesn't really change their mind.
20. Doesn't see what is confusing shotgun. The whole point in questioning/pressuring is to see something that will change their mind. Not answering them is hurting shotgun.
21. Want's andrew to give reasons for town read on Shotgun.
22. responds to andrew saying "it's anti town to explain" and explains why it is not.
23. Asks Shotgun for reads, then gives his and elaborates.
24. Insists that Shotgun should reread Potack as that is what is hurting Shot. Wants Andrew to explain reasoning.
25. Doesn't see Abastas replace out as scummy. Sees it as townish as compared to Ven..
26. Sees RP's point but doesn't see it to be a strong town tell.
27. Wants an explanation on Chrimi's read on me.
28. Says he doesn't see what Chrimi saw. (though Chrimi may just be viewing my actions from a different lense than you Soben, I did ask both RP why he felt it was a good idea for the Roleclaim and continued it with Potack.
29. Welcomes Code and says that he thinks Potak and RP are blindingly town, Town read on Ven seems meh and Chrimi's contribution isn't very good.
30. Says Andrew is Scum.
31. Says he thinks Shotgun is a mason. (how does that work.)
32. Goes after Andrew some more.
33. Welcomes the other two and tells VE answers are given later and he wishes Rainbow replaced any other slot.
34. Repost, having a Town read on Code, Sees what VE is saying on Andrew. And doesn't see why peoples RP town read is dying.
35. Sees another tunnel, and explains why.
36. Gives his reads and gives some info.
37. Rainbow's coming in post underwhelming, Bork at bottom of town category.
38. Says Rainbow more Scummy than town. Likes the catch up post, says that scum is in Rainbow,me, Andrew, Chrimi, Shotgun. wants to know how Shotgun's posts are helping.
39. Fluff.
40. Soben accuses Shotgun of sheeping Andrew.
41. Calls the question back and forth between Shotgun/Potak pointless. Tells Shotgun to reread the thread.
42. He thinks Rainbow Dash should be the lynch and says why. (is voting for RD.)
43. Says Mcstab is getting replaced soon. McStab is a town tell.
44. Okay, the first sentence confused me a little. Also wants to know where the quick lynch thing came from.
45: calls overfocusing the slip and gives reasons why Rainbow might be scum...

Overall, I'm reading town here. Couple of places where I feel it's a little wierd, but pretty strong town read. Would like to note that I think it's impossible for Shotgun and Andrew to be scum buddies, based off of what I read as an accusation of Sheeping. However this is my thoughts after completing Sobens ISO at 9:37 PM where I am.

May have missed a couple of posts. on Soben. (my count is slightly off, and I need to figure out where.) But pretty much my complete read. Now for Tech.

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Yeah, sometimes I add comments of my own, but you didn't really have anything for me to add my comments to. This is why I generally wait until all is finished to give it to you all. Because then I have comments that evolve and change. Plus I'm going down the mod's list, which means I'm starting with one I was already getting a town read on. I will get to the more suspicious players as time goes on.

Argula, Ven is after Tech. I'm going over the ENTIRE GAME.

And Soben. I don't believe that Shotgun and Andrew are Masons Together. Yes there is a reason to this. But I'm 90% sure they are not Masons TOGETHER.

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I am doing paraphrasing now. I'm going to get a headache from trying to go through each one.

I think that Andrew merely has a gut read on Shotgun and Shotgun is trying to ride on it. I want to see an explination as well as I think Shotgun is taking advantage of Andrew's read.

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At Soben, I can see why Regfan has Scumhunter... Most of the posts I suspect were from you are fluffy.

Here's Tech:
Reading town here, at post 161, I agree that I was, and am worried that Shotgun/Potack is Town v Town. Meta means everything to Tech. (Random Fun Fact, if you were to go off of my Meta you would find that there are mass similarities to my PR play and my Scum Play.) Don't really see anything majorly wrong.

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Thinking is similar to Gut you know.

Also Shotgun, give me your reasons for voting me.

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Venmar/Rainbow Dash:
Early on, pretty good. Leaning town. I'm viewing him carefully though and he does seemingly buddy me. Also is asking questions. Seem pointless and seem based on trying to get information on Red Panda's thoughts. Fluffy and answering questions. Hmmm, I think overall I'm giving him a null read. I can't get a handle on Ven... so I'll look at the Dash part: Dash reads null. I really can't decide... Have we played together Dash? Something tells me we have... Maybe in the one of the last opens I played?

So basically, I like the first few posts of Ven but from then on it just confuses me. I may take a second look to try to get a better read. Next up is McStab.

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McStab is short and sweet:
Two Posts, I'm leaning town but I want to see more from him... A LOT MORE.

Actually, I like activity more than volume, and frankly, I'm disappointed in myself for allowing myself to fall silent. And when I fall silent, I make up for it with Walls. (Actually generally anytime I say "I'm going to ISO", you should expect walls with some analysis somewhere.)

So yeah, 3 town, 1 null. Next Up Red Panda.

Okay, Viscera and Rainbow both seem familiar to me... Will look into past games...

Viscera, if you have to decide, I'd suggest Rainbow. He's definitely more likely to be scum.

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Depends on the situation Rainbow. I don't think it should be your first post in a game... Unless you are replacing in and your slot is at L-1. I don't like early claims and I don't like massclaims, I don't think it helps town and I don't think it hinders scum. If anything it basically causes about half of the game (in this scenario) to lie. And if they are caught lying, that means they are lynchable which means you stand a chance to lose one of three conf.towns. (the masons.) Who technically are lying by saying they are vanilla.

@Viscera: I can only really have an initial opinion on those at the very beginning of the game, and Potack/Shotgun... Because half of this thread has been about them.


I'm doing the ISO's to catch up what I missed and narrow things town. I do this to VERIFY I'm seeing things straight.

Oh and here's my latest two:
RedPanda:
I don't like his early posts. And I'm not a fan of his playstyle. He does make some good things, but most of it I feel is null. I'm giving him a null read, though taking into account my dislike for his playstyle and attitude, I'll lean him town. Null Leaning town.

Potack-ruv:
Okay, seems pretty cheerful, nothing to extraordinary. Seems pretty townie with attitude and behavior. Overall, I think you are town, I disagree on your Techno read. But you seem town. And Om... Have I played in the same game with you before where I've seen you argue... It may have gotten lost in the crash but I seem to recall replacing into a slot as an unexpected result of an arguement you were apart of in a newb... But yeah. Town.

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Chrimi:
Pretty much seems like he's trying too hard... Could be scum in my opinion.

Andrew:
I have a town read, but he seems like he's trying to hide something and I have no idea what he is trying to do.

Code X:
Seeming pretty good. Couple of things, every thing you comment on me is in response to someone I believe. Seems town. But yeah, Tech is not scum.

Bork/Argula:
Bork feels off. Just something strange... Big Fat Null with Argula... Not enough information.

Shotgun:
Don't like Post 170/163... BAD BAD BAD. All in all I dislike his playstyle. Don't like his almost replace out... Reminded me too much of what I referred to earlier with Om... I think Shotgun is scum. I think he's riding on Andrew's town read of him and is pretending to be a mason.
VOTE: Shotgun Potack I'm agreeing with here and what I just said.

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Absta/Viscera Eyes:
Dislike every single one of his posts... entirely fluff then quits... If this list is in order we signed up... he should have known that at least Potack was a hydra.
I'm leaning town on VE. So that puts you as leaning town. On the post you quoted from me in 325, Sometimes when I think a point is being made that's valid, I will comment on it if I have input that supports it.

There, that's the entire game, I think Shotgun is most likely scum, followed by possibly Crimi. Also Viscera Eyes were you in that game that Rainbow Dash and I were in as well like my memory recalls?

Well I'll park it until Andrew posts then. Because I didn't see a mason claim from either of them. And I'm Positive that Shotgun is lying and at best he's townie riding on another town and one/neither of them are masons. (And if one of them is mason I'm betting it's Andrew)

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: McStab

That whole interchange did not look town, and I'M 100% Sure andrew is town.

Shotgun I'm not.

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Soben, I can promise you. I am not scum, and Chrimi and Rainbow Dash are not in any way partnered with me.

Just like I can assure you that Shotgun is not a Mason.

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Because Andrew and I are two of the mason team, Shotgun is Not.

That is why I needed to double check something. Shotgun is either Vanilla town trying to ride on the impression that he is a Mason when he isn't, or he's Scum doing the same.

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No clue. Masons don't get Daytalk, we only barely had enough time to introduce ourselves in the talk thread.

I'm wondering the same thing and will have to ask him.

I'm fine with a Chrimi or Rainbow Dash Lynch... I'm fine with a lynch of anyone I called a null read or a scum read.

I DO think that Shotgun should be looked into because I do NOT think his whole "Imply I'm a mason with Andrew" is good and feels like he's trying to hide behind Andrew's read.

Yes, there is. That's why I'm certain.

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I know. That's what I did when I double checked something.

Also, I'll go with Chrimi. Chrimi's posts have felt real off to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chirmi

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[quote=me]Chrimi:
Pretty much seems like he's trying too hard... Could be scum in my opinion.[/quote]

Shotgun still reads scummy to me... Will have to reread Andrew to see if he has good reasons.

But yeah, I've seen nothing from Chrimi that reads more than null leaning scum.

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Andrew was dead set against Tech claiming. He didn't see the need because he didn't get what both Tech and I got and what you guys immediately put pressure on Tech for.

Yes. Tech is true third Mason, and Shotgun, If I find anything that suggests you are not really town. I'll lynch you myself.

Andrew has given me his reasons for thinking you town, and frankly, two were null tells to me and one was "Oh please do explain"

drmyshotgun, please explain to me why "going with the flow" was a townie motion? Please explain why you thought fakeclaiming Mason was a good idea because I saw it as a scum move and don't see a town motivation behind it at all.

Small blessings indeed.

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Andrew, do me a favor...

Re read Shotgun... Please, And do a train of thought, explaining as detailed as possible the town motivations. And make sure you post it for all of us to see.

Tech, Had you died last night, This morning would have started with me voting Shotgun while yelling at Andrew for the fake claim.

But in any case, I do think I can get behind a Chrimi lynch. If he's town though... So help me Thespis, I'm going to bring down the wrath of the theater on Shotgun.

VOTE: Chrimi

FOS: VE

Reasoning: If Andrew is right, VE is prob: scum, If Andrew is wrong... I think we all know where I'm going.

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Tech wished that his last reads would be given if he died, so I shall present them to you.

FOS: Arugula, Code_X, Potack-ruv, McStab

It's from what I consider most scummy to least scummy considering the fact he was killed.

Code and Arugula are tied so you know.

I also have a light suspicion on McStab personally which is why he is included.

@Potack, kk.

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Code is because of Chrimi's behavior towards him and code, how originally Chrimi was sheeping Tech (because of RDtown read, Shotgun scum read) then switched when Tech suspected Code and sheeped Code = Town.

You are a mere possibility and the reason you were even considered was because Andrew brought you up and since he's alive, I'll let him explain that one.

I'm not sure on the logic behind Arugula as that wasn't explained, If Tech had not died tonight he would not have been listed.

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Basically he was referring to day one, where Chrimi had been sheeping him because of the supposed Venmar Townread and the Shotgun scumread, but when he said that You might be scum he turned around and sheeped the idea that you were town (Chrimi.)

Now, he did acknowledge his doubt because he was unsure what you are like as scum and questioned if you would bus both of your partners.

McStab is a gut read of mine from my memory. I tend to have bad reads as well. Though you are oddly defensive since you were only the second scum read of 3 and there's only one scum left.

RedPanda is a possibility I hadn't considered, but I suppose.

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He finds VE town. I don't remember his exact reasoning off the top of my head.

Potack he thinks is town, but he acknowledged could be scum.

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Aruglua... Did you miss the part where the FOS's were based off of the reads that Tech asked to be shared if he died?

For all I know, They could have tried to sacrifice you to make them look more townie or if they flipped scum and you survived that you would look townie...

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I'm getting a town reading a bit from Potack's behavior right now...

In the newb game where I replaced in (the game got lost) He replaced out after a big argument with another player...

I seem to recall his slot being town that game... What I can't remember is was he the one who rage replaced out and pmed the slot I replaced into causing the replacement, or was he the one who got sick of it and just left some time later.

Gosh Darn it.


VOTE: Red Panda

I'm sick and tired of this and I had a scum read on him at first... I allowed him to lurk into the shadows. Now he's back in the spotlight and he's going down.

Red, I don't recall you doing Zilch. What I recall was you buddying Soben and agreeing with him.

Potack, you're losing your cool like you did on that one newb game where you replaced out after awhile.

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Red Panda, the last time I saw Om like this, I recall him being town.

I highly doubt this behavior would repeat if he was scum.

Also the last time you tried a push like this... I believe it was against me. TOWN.

Yeah, RP is the lynch.

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You're first 12 posts or so.

That's literally what this is feeling like.

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Shotgun, having just read those 12 pages...


HOW THE HELL DO YOU HAVE A TOWN READ ON HIM!!!!!

I'VE SEEN TOWN BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERY LYNCH HE'S BEEN ON, AND RED PANDA'S MAIN POINT IS THAT?!?

Um yeah... Constantly saying you've been on every scum lynch isn't going to cut it.

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Here's where I stand...

Scum drmyshotgun wouldn't kill the ONLY REASON a lynch hadn't been led against him since his fake Mason claim.

Because tbh... I didn't trust shotgun. It was Andrew that was keeping him alive, as far as I'm concerned, because had it not been for Andrew's absolute conviction that shotgun is town, I probably would have had him lynched day 3 if not day 2.

But since he IS dead... I'm finding Viscera eyes more likely.

However, I'm going to keep my vote off until I'm convinced. For all I know it's one of our silent ones like McStab or CodeX.

Also it really bugs me that Andrew would barely talk to his mason buddies in the PM. If ever.

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Not sure if trolling or being serious...

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I'll say.

This is why Unless it's mod confirmed, no one should be seen as confirmed town.

Especially when it's something like that.