Open 393: White Flag - Day 5

[DeasVail]

/confirm

[DeasVail]

Vote: DeasVail

Who cares about lynching scum? This is the new cool.

[DeasVail]

Hoopla today, DeasVail tomorrow.

Ok. Promise?

Vote: Hoopla

[DeasVail]

Vote: DeasVail

Self-evident.

It's not self-evident if I say it's not. And I say it's not, so you know what you have to do.

I would vote you, but I really want to stay on Hoopla.

Also:

CATFISH:

What motivated you to claim VT?

Hoopla:

What did you hope to gain from your question in 19?

Prana:

Are you serious about wanting to lynch Hoopla?

[DeasVail]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Equinox

I support this too.

[DeasVail]

1) Self voting to avoid associative tells.

I'm sorry I didn't consider it could be interpreted this way when I did it.

2) Jumping on a train that's already coming to a halt. A "safe" vote while appearing to be in with the crowd.

Which vote would be less safe than a vote on Hoopla? How does your *wanting to be in with the crowd* interpretation of my play fit in with my self-vote?

Explain post 34 pleae.

You and Equinox are my top scumreads. Prana may be third, but that depends on ~stuff~.

What do you think of Equinox?

[DeasVail]

I'm sorry, I really stuffed that one up.

[DeasVail]

Prana:

Are you serious about wanting to lynch Hoopla?

yup

So why are you just going on about wanting to lynch Hoopla without trying to convince anyone?

[DeasVail]

I agree with whoever said that Equinox's 45 doesn't feel right. It feels like scum trying to be town, but doesn't come across as the natural thing for town to say.

Actually I don't really like Prana's whole WIFOM comment thing on it.

Blonde:

Is Hoopla scum?

Ok,

FoS

Prana. May explain later.

Equinox's reason for voting him was really bad too though.

Huntress:

My vote is on Hoopla because wagons are fun. I will change it though.

CATFISH:

Why can't you travel to the future and tell us the scum?

Hoopla:

Why huntress and not equinox or prana?

[DeasVail]

I think it's scum-Equinox trying to act like town. I don't think there was any WIFOM intended. I'm also going after you because I found the reasons you used to attack equinox scummy.

I will explain my scumreads a bit better later.

[DeasVail]

I guess we're both atypical townies then, eh?

[DeasVail]

How are we atypical town?

By your own definition.

DV, describe the set-up for me.

I can't really know, but I can guess.

Mafia Goons:

PranaDevil
Equinox
???

Vanilla Townies:

CATFISH
vijay
DeasVail
Pirate Chemist
6x ???

[DeasVail]

So you know the whole set-up is VT. Why did you ask me why we claimed VT?

Also, I am voting for my biggest scumread.

Um, because I wanted to know? Honestly I didn't consider it that important, but now that you've gotten all touchy about it, please do explain.

Oh ok. I suppose that makes you a typical townie then. I thought you may have been more than that, but alas, I was wrong.

[DeasVail]

My thoughts on Equinox basically boil down to her being scum trying to look town, while sounding really unnatural at the same time.

First, is 29. The "We're not lynching Hoopla today" doesn't really make much sense considering what I imagine town-Equinox would be thinking at the time. She didn't have any confidence in Hoopla not being scum, so would hardly make such an authoritative statement as town in my opinion. I can imagine it as scum trying to look like town though. Additionally, the vote on vijay contradicts with what my on thoughts on him were up to that point.

45: I really don't get it. I don't understand town being voted for and thinking of saying something like that. I've joked similarly as town before and seen others do it, but I've always understood how they came to the decision to say it. Here, I don't. I don't think it could be intended to paint Hoopla as her scumbuddy, as this would never be likely in my opinion as scum. More likely, I think, is that Equinox and Hoopla are buddies and this is an attempt to make that seem less likely or Equinox is just trying to look town.

The justification for voting Prana is also really off, because well.. it's just bad.

Prana scumread is weaker than I thought, but I think the justification for suspecting Equinox is scummy. Town often aren't thinking about how pro-town they're being. So, the WIFOM point is bad, and his exaggerated dismissal of Equinox's vote as blatant OMGUS and without any attempt at explanation is also scummy.

Vote: Equinox

[DeasVail]

We're not doing this again vijay.

And I just don't know what to think of Blonde. Someone help me.

[DeasVail]

To be honest, yes.

I am being proactive. I'm telling someone to say something convincing so I can sheep them, but you have reminded me that a question or two may be useful.

Blonde:

Explain your contradiction.

[DeasVail]

Pirate Chemist:

Where should they be?

[DeasVail]

Equinox:

I think it's reasonably likely that you are partners. Why did you want to know? Also, Prana's reaction was before your bad justification.

Pirate:

I think Heilograph may be scum, but your vote was premature. I will give my thoughts later.

Blonde:

What is your opinion on my reasons for voting Equinox?

DeasVail:

Blonde: Is Hoopla scum?

Blonde:

Yes

A little later...

Blonde:

It is not that I thought Hoopla was scum

Explain.

[DeasVail]

Hmm, I'm leaning Blonde-town.

[DeasVail]

CATFISH:

Let's make a deal. You unvote me (without re-voting me) and I yell at everyone about how you're town for at least another 24 hours.

[DeasVail]

Why would I ever make that deal? o.O

Because I'm town and you're town and we could be friends!

[DeasVail]

The buddying is mostly out of self-interest, but there are pro-town reasons which allow me to justify it to myself. Additionally, I don't really think it's anti-town.

Regarding the VT claim: Why do you think I wouldn't be interested in the motivation behind you claiming it?

[DeasVail]

Pirate & Vijay:

Why do you think Hoopla is scum? Also, vijay, take some mesalazine.

Kcda:

Why am I scum? Also [redacted].

Prana:

Why do you think scum would try to inaccurately paint someone as scummy so obviously? It's scummy.

CATFISH:

Can I have a link to town being cleared from not knowing the setup? Also, what do you think of Huntress?

Heilograph is too convinced of CATFISH scum-> scummy.

[DeasVail]

By "It's scummy", I meant Prana is being scummy.

[DeasVail]

Yes, Prana. That's exactly what you're doing.

[DeasVail]

Prana:

I don't think scum are any more likely to make a completely illogical accusation than town. So what you're pushing on is a null-tell. So, you're just being a hypocrite and scummy because of it.

Vijay:

Did you agree with Huntress' reasoning for voting me, or did you just sheep for the sake of it? Also, my previous games with you were Open 363 (both town with you tunnelling on me until you got lynched), NY 142 (Me as GF, you as town, I can't remember what you thought of me) and [ongoing]. That's what I remember anyway.

Heilograph:

Was your initial vote on CATFISH serious or not?

[DeasVail]

(that's the basketball one right?)

Yes.

[DeasVail]

We can always lynch CATFISH later.

Why include this last part? I'm confused about whether you actually want to lynch CATFISH or not.

[DeasVail]

I like the sound of an Equinox, Prana, Chimera/Prolapsed team right now.

[DeasVail]

Equinox I think.

[DeasVail]

may

This is the problem.

[DeasVail]

Oh good.

Equinox, Prana, Prolapsed

[DeasVail]

Seriously DV, no response to what I said earlier? None at all? Just pretend I never said it and it'll go away? Get your ass up there and respond. I don't reply to your rubbish for the good of my health you know.

Oh, I'm so sorry! I just don't understand how I forgot to give my enlightening response.

"I disagree and still think you're scum."

I apologise if your post was supposed to change my read of you. That

is

what you reply to my rubbish for, is it not?

@ Hoopla: I'm bored here.. I'm going back to DV until you can give me better reason to be on Prana. Besides 191 is a good enough reason for me to believe he is scum.

VOTE: Deasvail

Unvote: Equinox
Vote: Prana

Can you change your mind on me now?

[DeasVail]

What is wrong with me wanting you to change your read of me?

[DeasVail]

I'll have to take another look at heilograph, but I had decided he was probably town.

[DeasVail]

Current read on heilograph is weak town.

[DeasVail]

It's hard to explain, but I'll try.

First, his posts in regard to you being scum ~feel~ like town. I understand this won't help anybody though.

Actually, reading through I'm noticing something I didn't before. Something I've noticed I tend to do as scum is be a lot more speculative about possibilities than I am as town. 123 may be scummy, but I'd like other thoughts on this.

His suspicion of CATFISH is very not-scummy in my opinion. The thoughts he has about CATFISH claiming VT being possibly scummy is something I can relate to and his illogical argument, when I can fairly easily see the logical explanation scum would make, make him seem town for it.

I think scum would be incredibly uncomfortable unvoting as he did and would more likely gradually ease their suspicion later if they wanted to. Really, it's not hard at all to make logical sound arguments as scum, so I doubt Heilo-scum would do something like unvoting in response to pressure instead of easily finding a good reason to suspect CATFISH.

Heilograph:

When you made 183, who did you think was more important to lynch?

[DeasVail]

Heilograph:

When you have time, please link me to a town game of yours and also a scum game if you have one.

[DeasVail]

What conclusions do you plan to make with such a limited sample size?

You'll have to wait and see, but the sample size isn't important.

[DeasVail]

Heilograph:

Thanks for providing the links. I'll have a close look at them when I get the time.

Huntress:

Pretty much because I thought they were both scummy. (I might need to reconsider Equinox, but I'm not sure). Also, I thought Prana's vote on Equinox and their other interactions could be scum trying to distance early.

Thanks for replacing in, Zeek!

[DeasVail]

Maybe partly because it probably allows people to more easily see when I am saying something to them. It's mostly because I like using colours though. I think it could be annoying in mafSepia, so if anyone uses that and finds it annoying, say so and I'll stop.

[DeasVail]

I like the colours. Come vote Heilograph with me.

I think I'll probably decide whether to or not after looking at his games.

[DeasVail]

Fair enough. Can we quicklynch DV then?

[DeasVail]

Only if you want to experience the inevitable storm of obscenities as I watch it happen.

[DeasVail]

What would you think if I decided not to do it?

[DeasVail]

Blonde, what's your price?

Everyone has one.

[DeasVail]

The main problem I've been having with heilo is that his play is different from what I'd expect of either town or scum, so I've been hoping that past games of his would help me out here.

-The town game he replaced out of, so there isn't much there. It's different in that he is not really pushing any kind of scumread, but this could be irrelevant.
-Scum game also seems different from his play here, but that only soon after he first joined the site, so I can't use it very well.
-I've looked at other town games of his, and he seems to be making more of an effort to explain his scumreads/himself this game. (possibly scummy?)

Eh sorry. I don't really know what to think. I'll probably think about him a bit more when I have more time.

Heilograph:

Why did you link me to the town game you did instead of your most recent one?

[DeasVail]

Kcda:

Is AtE a scumtell?

Also, can we not lynch me?

[DeasVail]

DV: How is AtE NOT a scumtell?

Apparently I'm doing it.

[DeasVail]

I would prefer lynching prana or equinox.

Unvote: Prana

Vote: Equinox

[DeasVail]

Zeek, you are wrong about your derping-town read on me. Also, deadline is likely being extended (due to Pirate Chemist replacement). Who are the anti-town players?

Kcda is either scum or town who likely won't unvote me today no matter what I do.

[DeasVail]

Catfish:

I do not understand the part about black magic, but I don't think I've been derpy this game (as opposed to other games). The people calling me scum are just very misguided.

Kcda is not bussing me, if that's what you're asking. I'm still making my mind up about him. I don't think he's been too different from how I'd imagine him as town though. Once I know something that is not known right now, I think I'll be able to better read him.

[DeasVail]

Bit in orange is @zeek

[DeasVail]

Zeek, I mean he's not bussing me as in scum not bussing a buddy. Also, I don't know how you got that I have a townread on kcda.

Unvote:Equinox

Vote: Heilograph

I haven't made my mind up on him yet, but it seems pointless to try.

[DeasVail]

Huntress:

I'd prefer to lynch heilograph before deciding on whether to lynch kcda. However, wagons on pranadevil or equinox would please me greatly.

CATFISH:

Why me and not heilo?

[DeasVail]

I hope you guys realise we have a 48 hour extension.

Why? If they didn't, then my lynch would be more likely. I actually have no idea how close I am to being lynched by the way.

Also, a request to any townie on my wagon:

Please get off it.

[DeasVail]

Oh wait actually. Let's try something different.

Can someone summarise the main reasons why I'm thought to be scum? Preferably not including stuff like AtE, sucking up etc. to which I'll just respond, "Well I'm town doing it so there goes your theory."

Oh goodie!

CATFISH:

I second what vijay said, and would also like to remind you that it is spelt 'spelt'.

Oh yeah... Sorry vijay. I can;t side with you anymore

[DeasVail]

... Yeah, but you can slip up some more and maybe accidentally give us the names of your scumbuddies. *hint hint*

Oh ok then. I'm sorry I didn't think to do this before.

Each of my scumbuddies either have in their names an 'e' or an 'a' or both.

[DeasVail]

Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. I'm pretty certain we foxes have more experience with people than you fishies.

[DeasVail]

For me it was the reasoning in 191 plus gut. You asking me to change my read if you voted Prana did not make me happy. That's the reason I'm voting you. Idk about everybody else by frankly idc as long as you get lynched for it.

But you offered to!

[DeasVail]

And I was a PR too

[DeasVail]

Well done to the scum, and I'm sorry about getting lynched (I feel like I say this a lot haha).

And thanks for modding SRG!