Open 427: PYP X/Y (Day 7)

[petapan]

sup

[petapan]

VOTE: Contrapposto

i'm only on page 2 and already this guy needs to die

[petapan]

your posting is fake, you make fake posts

i'm not bothering to elaborate until i'm done reading this is just an impressions as i go type post

[petapan]

iirc they did in the team mafia PYP

[petapan]

yes

[petapan]

Watch out for petapan.

yeah if you're scum watch out

also

UNVOTE:

still not finished but not as happy with this vote

[petapan]

still not finished but not as happy with this vote

(that vig question strikes me as a town-tell, to clarify)

[petapan]

wait... so you changed your mind of him when you havent finished reading, but you read the last page???

yes. yes i did. is there a problem with this

[petapan]

how's that more likely to come from town than scum?

[petapan]

eh. not sold on it tbh.

[petapan]

i'm up to page 19, bored but will try to finish tonight

[petapan]

caught up.

VOTE: havingfitz

[petapan]

i don't need to explain it to you

hoopla i don't see anything from jal in the last 2 pages that warrants feeling weird about him, like, at all.

[petapan]

because sometimes not sharing reasons is more powerful

[petapan]

but actually tell me what's your actual read on pecan, right now

[petapan]

maybe i'm looking for reactions or maybe i'm just hipster voting who knows

[petapan]

meh. not sold on it tbh. too many arguments that boil down to playstyle tells.

[petapan]

Petapan's style seems very similar the other game I had with him where he fooled everyone and won it for us. (ny152) Petapan is a #4 though, and that would mean all the other 4's are town.

that's because i'm the same person, dude

[petapan]

pecan i didn't bother reading your post at all

who do you think is scum

[petapan]

given the players that placed those votes it's not terribly surprising, tbh.

[petapan]

Mafia have day chat? Since when?

no you were already town since page 1 stop towntelling so much!! (it's in the role PMs - the fact the game is instant night is also a tip off)

[petapan]

My brain... hurts

who do you think is scum

[petapan]

you're looking at half the active players in the game and voting none of them, 3 hours before deadline

(admittedly my vote right now is useless but i didn't realize how much time we had left)

why did people back off this guy again

[petapan]

by my unofficial head votecount loks like the largest wagons are btwn pecan and rach, willing to vote either one as this is desperation time and i don't particularly have a townread on either, but this guy managed to make a wallpost that was a lot of hedging nonsense and is basically just trying to feel out which wagons he can safely jump on

VOTE: pecan

also don't really give a damn about PRs

should be around at deadline if we need to make a shift

[petapan]

@Petapan - That vote sure did look you chose the larger wagon of the two. Though you did give a decent explanation of why you chose him over Rachmarie, it still sure does look convenient.

read my whole friggin exchange with him

and yeah a convenient wagon a few hours before deadline is fine by me because any lynch is better than a no lynch

[petapan]

you are really far too paranoid, dude

[petapan]

stop make joke. no make it. no jokes. no!!!

[petapan]

you've come up with reasons to suspect aprroximately 80% of the players in the game, contra

[petapan]

nice

VOTE: rachmarie

aforementioned lurking at deadline on a scum lynch seals it for me

will also vote arugula

[petapan]

BK201 is town now, btw. draft logic, same number as pecan.

Read my #696, I'm looking at Cobbler, andrew, Hoopla, Jal, Venmar and Elmo for scum potential.

willing to bet that at least one of these is a partner, also. pecan strikes me as a cliche enough player to distance so predictably. venmar is town, so that leaves {cobbler, andrew, elmo}. makes elmo's vote at deadline look pretty bad.

[petapan]

hey elmo

BK201 is literally 100% town

that vote will do you no favors

[petapan]

actually, did some ctrl + F iso reading

Arugula: Town vibes early, a smattering of scummy comments from #231 onwards. Null.

Well, you are wrong. I don't know about Jal and pieceofpecanpie, but I know you are wrong about me. And it is silly to try to make connections without a flip.

Can someone summarize the pecan case?

It's not that I don't have time, it's that I DON'T SEE THE CASE ON PECAN.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: arugula

[petapan]

Om, why would Arugula go after someone (Hoopla) who was leading pecan's wagon, and a confirmed townie, while bitterly speaking out against it, if he were scum? Is anyone THAT transparent?
Also, in light of the fact pecan was scum vengeful, why would Arugula argue so heavily against his lynch?

it's called chainsaw defense, it happens quite frequently, it is used to indirectly defend a teammate who is being attacked by a townie by attempting to discredit that townie

and yes, people can be that transparent. i don't think arugula is a super genius level scum player

[petapan]

Ok, did not expect Hoopla to flip town or Pecan to flip scum.

That does not mean I am scum, however.

Petapan is giving me bad vibes, and I'll have to ISO him. His attack seems preplanned.

hahahaha

[petapan]

A response of only laughter, eh?
The funnier thing is Ser Arthur Dayne/PB/petapan was also one of Hoopla's possible scum reads (all be it, minor) early on, so why are you laughing at Arugula's speculation, peta?

i replaced iamausername, hoopla's reads don't really mean squat to me, and that post only merited laughter in response because there's not actually any substance

[petapan]

Out of curiosity, and not far from topic, what was your reasoning behind your havingfitz vote on day 1?
You never explained it.

gut vote - he seemed to be making a lot of commentary and conversation and not much directed effort at finding scum, and his votes were fairly weak. i'd go more into it but he's moved down in my priority list considerably.

[petapan]

i think there's valid reasons for scum to discredit a town read given by someone, regardless of the alignment of the person in question. doesn't mean much to me either way.

[petapan]

bk201 is

literally

confirmed

town

no one here knows enough about PYP to consider doubling up, the only people experienced enough to consider that were hoopla (dead, town) and iamausername, and i'm town, so that's right out. not weathering any theories about him being scum.

[petapan]

Peta...please explain how BK can have a PR as they are claiming when the only other person in BK's draft slot was a...........wait for it.........a PR?

And anyone who was in or reviewed previous PYP games could be familiar with the strategy of scum doubling up.

1. i don't think anyone in this game is that savvy
2. fairly sure draft rules work that they could have both...you know...submitted different picks.

[petapan]

I've never played in a PYP before.

COBBLERFONE IS CONFSCUM. I AM TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW. I WILL SELF-VOTE IF HE FLIPS TOWN.

wax eloquent to me

[petapan]

that's a dumb thing to say but i don't get what about it is a scumtell?

[petapan]

cobblerfone said this:

Hoopla is a strange kill for the mafia considering the suspicion she had on her D1. There's too many possibilities to determine what really happened though.

Perhaps the vig killed her

and the mafia's kill was stopped by the doc or a RB. Perhaps the mafia were simply terrified of Hoopla because of her experience.

I need to catch up so I'll vote when I finish my reading.

Well yeah, that's a hypothetical. The point is that we don't know why she was killed or killed her. I gave the example of a vig killing Hoopla because it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility for a town-aligned vig to shoot Hoopla. Meanwhile, a mafia-aligned vig's kill would essentially be the same as a mafia kill.

hoopla was town the moment pecan flipped, why are you still talking about this

[petapan]

why the fuck would you shoot hoopla i hate you

[petapan]

but in light of that, cobblerfone's statement looks notgood as opposed to just silly

UNVOTE:

VOTE: cobbler

[petapan]

i don't think he could possibly predict as scum that someone would say something like cobblerfone did, and using the vig kill in place of the normal NK would completely waste the role where the point is for scum to have a double NK

[petapan]

point about the vengekill on jal is pretty fair actually, hadn't thought of that - wasn't pecan also pretty protective of higher numbers from being lynched?

[petapan]

peta, you and everyone else knows that pecan argued heavily against a BW at the top.
Why the need to pose that point rhetorically?
It just sounded odd to me.

nah i wasn't sure, i remember something like that but didn't bother going back to check

[petapan]

wait a sec. the game is instant night and you were here before deadline. how did you not take an action?

[petapan]

And finally I see Rach's name appear at the bottom.

9 mins Rach. Ye be scum?

I'm waiting for the golden surprise to find out they're both scum, to be honest.

I'm starting to get suspicious of Rach not saying anything. I think this is her only game on this forum. I think she is the only one who is online (that we can see) who can hammer too.

P-edit: I guess not

please to explain why jal would lie here

UNVOTE:

VOTE: rachmarie

[petapan]

I'm a VT, thoughts on the game have not changed much.

[petapan]

We're not lynching Rachmarie today, either Cobbler or Arugula, one of the two.

arugula makes no sense as scum from his claim

[petapan]

arugula makes no sense as scum from his claim

- Arugula makes sense as scum just because you have said that.

- More seriously, a scum vigilante is actually a pretty strong role, and then there is the mystery of what has happened to the scum factional kill, because I don't see why they would no-kill the first night.

scum can use both the factional kill and the vig kill on the same night, so unless you think arugula is playing some backwards gambit where he's trying to get us to mislynch based on someone saying something he couldn't have planned on and then use the double kill night 2

idk i just can't see him claiming the way he did as scum

[petapan]

arugula isn't scum and definitely not scum with cobblerfone

little bit torn here actually

even if one of cobbler/rach is scum, by the nature of their claims they have to keep clearing people if they're left alive. not sure lynching one of them is the best play today given that we have 3 mislynches available

UNVOTE:

[petapan]

That logic leading town to have to decide between lynching a protector/blocker or an investigator, which could very well lead to the possibility of us lynching neither...the perfect reasoning for scum to hide behind.

you could simply state you disagree rather than sniping at me

[petapan]

That logic leading town to have to decide between lynching a protector/blocker or an investigator, which could very well lead to the possibility of us lynching neither...the perfect reasoning for scum to hide behind.

you could simply state you disagree rather than sniping at me

Not snipping, peta. I'm just saying that if they are both scum their roles are a perfect way to discourage town from lynching either of them. To make town "hope" that at least one or both are town, thus ignoring any perceived scumtells in favor of giving them a chance.
We really have no choice but to give one a chance but I want to eliminate the role having the greatest level of WIFOM, thus my preference for a Rach lynch.

eh. if they were both scum they'd still end up being suspect for living and would have to clear players. doesn't make a difference from my POV

[petapan]

You talk like your theories are solid, yet it's mere gambling. You want to lynch Cobbler on a coin toss? Heads! BOOM we lose a cop. Tails! BOOM we nail scum.

hmm

I am not lynching Cobbler today. I don't care what scum-theories you have concocted, or superior experience you can draw upon from your bag of tricks. The number 1 draft pick is not Day 1 lynch fodder. That you even think a guaranteed PR can be used as an immediate sacrificial lamb because of some alignment hocus pocus that you've crafted is highly questionable. I can certainly appreciate that draft order should offer no lynch immunity, but gee how could anyone be so confident to burn a PR on the first Day unless it's scum burning a townie.

hmmm

Cobblerfone: Quick votes, minimal interaction. Could be protecting himself from scum looking for PR clues, but most likely scum himself.

hmmmm

Read my #696, I'm looking at Cobbler, andrew, Hoopla, Jal, Venmar and Elmo for scum potential.

And possibly a different 4 in the draft pick instead of Elmo. You for example.

hmmmmm

vs

VOTE: RachMarie

Early lurking isn't like Rach. Feels more like staying under the radar.

Rach is a vigilant player, so I'm surprised (and weakly suspicious) she hasn't made an appearance yet.

When it comes to people coming late to the party (Rach and Elmo), Rach definitely appears to have been due to circumstances outside of mafia, so to give that any credit towards alignment again seems a bit much.

@Rach The question of your lack of voting has already been raised, so I'm not going to repeat it, but you seem to be stalling. Of the 5 people who have gathered most votes (BK, Elmo, Hoopla, Jal and myself), who would you vote and why?

(actual, direct interaction!)

RachMarie: Stalling and stalling and, wait for it, more stalling. Mostly null, slightly town based on past games.

yeah i'm gonna go with
VOTE: cobblerfone

[petapan]

right, so.

BK201, Contrapposto, Klink, and Venmar are all pretty much town beyond a shadow of a doubt in my eyes right now, which means this game should be wrapped up fairly easily.

VOTE: Om

[petapan]

venmar, the way arugula interacted with vobbler yesterday makes no sense for them as teammates, it just doesn't.

[petapan]

uh are people on crazy pills? are they forgetting the way arugula claimed? that he basically forced the lynch toward cobbler, when there was no pressure on him otherwise?

VOTE: fitz

it's not klick. I seriously don't get why he's being voted. fitz makes a lot more sense as scum based on cobbler loldistancing and fitz trying to get any sort of counterwagon rolling because no one wants to be solo mafia when town has 3 mislynches left.

[petapan]

Not really going to hear out anything about speculative jailkeeper targets - people make crazy and irrational decisions sometimes and it just looks like fitz is reaching for a reason to clear himself

[petapan]

Actually, you're right.

I want a massclaim today. I'm going to figure this out.

I think it should specifically go from first to last on the draft list.

Does anyone have problems with this?

we already mass-claimed day 2. you're the only claimed PR still living.

[petapan]

not everyone, no. I think a few did. My PM said iamausername went for the neighborizer/fruit vendor power.

[petapan]

VOTE: Elmo

can't really see it being anyone else at this point. If Elmo doesn't flip scum then go ahead and lynch me because I've fucked up horribly somewhere.

[petapan]

He shot hoopla. Even with that, though, he'd either waste his shot as mafia when they could get a double kill, or save the shot, but that would be worthless if he then bussed on day 2. Which, seriously - read arugula. tell me he could be cobblerfone's partner.

[petapan]

I also don't realize why people can't assume Klick got the 1-shot Vig role but never used his shot and is now using his fake claim as an excuse and is riding on that town credit. As scum you can't deny it's a bad plan and I can see Arugula being smart and devious enough to come up with such a claim. Basically, you guys are basing him off as town through a mist of pure WIFOM, and I think you guys seriously should cut it out.

I don't, tbh. Maybe I'm giving him less credit than he deserves. But seriously, have you re-read arugula?

[petapan]

venmar, hoopla's reasoning for seeing elmo as town strikes me as flimsy meta-reasoning at best, and tbh i don't think he's the most attentive or engaged player as scum - forgetting about the game's entirely plausible if you're not looking forward to playing it

on top of that, just red his iso. seriously.


admittedly it is POSSIBLE that arugula could have pulled some insane gambit to bus cobbler because he felt like he had a better chance of making it to endgame but it really doesn't seem PLAUSIBLE to me unless i've majorly overlooked something

[petapan]

wait what

[petapan]

i get what andrew is saying and i don't think scum would use a 1-shot redirect randomly on night 1 with no roles outed

[petapan]

You're not reading between the lines here?

[petapan]

Help me out here, what am i missing that you're referring to Peta?

andrew's claiming a role-related reason to believe hoopla was targeted by a vig and the mafia.

[petapan]

thanks andrew you're a star

[petapan]

he....god.

alright then, you can take my word that klick shot hoopla on night 1, unless i got redirected

he's softclaiming doctor, probably. i.e. he targeted hoopla night 1, and the only way she could have died is if she got shot twice or if his protection was redirected to someone else, and i'd wager mafia wouldn't randomly redirect someone. So andrew is essentially clearing Klick. So just sack up and hammer elmo and we can all go home

[petapan]

So why did Andrew just vote for you? I'm not sold until he clears this up for me.

I'm not hammering anything, and Elmo shouldn't hammer himself either. Elmo, do something please, even if you don't do much I know you're sharper than this, so help us out anyway you can.

because he's dumb and thinks i'm scum

[petapan]

Lol, Petapan you know yourself that is a shit explanation. I have played with Andrew before and he is anything but dumb and unaware.

i wasn't talking in general. why are you being obtuse?

[petapan]

wanting to be lynched at this stage isn't a town-tell, fyi. it looks to me more like he's admitting defeat. but i agree on venmar as a townread so it's cool

[petapan]

if elmo is town i give klick full permission to sheep you and vote me tomorrow

[petapan]

i might happened elmo if he keeps making useless posts like that

he's scum. he's throwing in the towel.

[petapan]

because he doesn't see a way out? god this is like pulling teeth

do you literally not understand why a klick lynch isn't on the table, or are you scum

[petapan]

like who and why

[petapan]

so why were you voting venmar

[petapan]

how did you then decide that he is town

[petapan]

okay. have you been reading what andrew is posting then. do you understand why he is very unlikely to be scum.

[petapan]

it's 1 hour 15 minutes to deadline.

[petapan]

really? really?

[petapan]

VOTE: no lynch

[petapan]

that was a deliberate no kill. something i hate more than anything in the world.

VOTE: no lynch

[petapan]

been unmotivated, frustrated, and more than a little pissed at how things have gone (also been playing torchlight 2). rereading tonight.

[petapan]

Petapan, i expect something from you at some point, you haven't really been doing or saying much as of late.

This is a hard decision right now... i'll get started on that petapan ISO soon.

did you not just see the post i made

i was

trying

to lynch the player i thought was scum and not lynch the players who were, you know, conf-town? and somehow trying to make that clear to you two was like beating my head against a brick wall

i'm going to do VCA of the first 2 days later tonight

[petapan]

Day 1 VCA:

VC 1-2

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(2)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

,

Jal

,

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(1)- Venmar,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

Hoopla

(1)-

BK201

,
iamausername (0)-

Jal

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-

RachMarie

(1)-

Hoopla

,

Ser Arthur Dayne

(1)- iamausername,
Venmar (3)-

Contrapposto

,

Cobblerfone

,

Arugula

,

Not Voting (4)-

andrew94

, Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

,

RachMarie

,

VC 1-3

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(2)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

,

Jal

,

Cobblerfone

(1)-

andrew94

,

Contrapposto

(1)- Venmar,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

Hoopla

(1)-

BK201

,
iamausername (0)-

Jal

(1)-

Hoopla

,

Om of the Nom

(0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

RachMarie

(1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

Ser Arthur Dayne

(1)- iamausername,
Venmar (3)-

Contrapposto

,

Cobblerfone

,

Arugula

,

Not Voting (2)- Elmo TeH AzN,

RachMarie

,

VC 1-4

andrew94

(1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(2)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

,

Jal

,

Cobblerfone

(2)-

andrew94

,

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(1)-

Cobblerfone

,
Elmo TeH AzN (1)-

BK201

,

Hoopla

(0)-
iamausername (0)-

Jal

(3)-

Hoopla

,

Om of the Nom

, Venmar,

Om of the Nom

(0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-

RachMarie

(0)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

(1)- iamausername,
Venmar (1)-

Arugula

,

Not Voting (2)- Elmo TeH AzN,

RachMarie

,

VC 1-5

andrew94

(1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(1)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

,

Cobblerfone

(2)-

andrew94

,

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(1)-

Cobblerfone

,
Elmo TeH AzN (1)-

BK201

,

Hoopla

(2)-

Arugula

,

Jal

,
iamausername (0)-

Jal

(4)-

Hoopla

,

Om of the Nom

, Venmar, iamausername,

Om of the Nom

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-

RachMarie

(0)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

RachMarie

,

VC 1-6

andrew94

(1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

Arugula

(1)-

Hoopla

,

BK201

(3)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

,

Om of the Nom

,

Jal

,

Cobblerfone

(2)-

andrew94

,

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

Hoopla

(2)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,
iamausername (0)-

Jal

(3)- Venmar, iamausername,

BK201

,

Om of the Nom

(0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-

RachMarie

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

Ser Arthur Dayne

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

RachMarie

,

VC 1-7

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(1)-

Hoopla

,

BK201

(3)-

Om of the Nom

,

Jal

, Elmo TeH AzN,

Cobblerfone

(1)-

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (2)-

BK201

,

pieceofpecanpie

,

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(2)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

Jal

(2)- Venmar, Pressed Bunson,

Om of the Nom

(0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(1)-

andrew94

,
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

RachMarie

,

havingfitz

,

early game VCA isn't particularly useful in any way - wagons are all too small

VC 1-8

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(1)-

havingfitz

,

BK201

(4)-

Om of the Nom

,

Jal

, Elmo TeH AzN,

Hoopla

,

Cobblerfone

(1)-

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (2)-

BK201

,

pieceofpecanpie

,

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(2)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

Jal

(2)- Venmar, Pressed Bunson,

Om of the Nom

(0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(1)-

andrew94

,
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

RachMarie

,

vote on elmo by pecan is interesting. need to look it up, but scum often do early game distance-votes on their teammates when they don't think the wagon will take off.

VC 1-9

andrew94

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

Arugula

(1)-

havingfitz

,

BK201

(2)-

Jal

,

Hoopla

,

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(3)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

Contrapposto

,

Jal

(3)- Venmar, Pressed Bunson,

BK201

,

Om of the Nom

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (3)-

RachMarie

,

pieceofpecanpie

,

andrew94

,

VC 1-11

andrew94

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

Arugula

(1)-

havingfitz

,

BK201

(2)-

Jal

,

Hoopla

,

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(2)-

RachMarie

,

andrew94

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(3)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

BK201

,

Jal

(2)- Venmar, Pressed Bunson,

Om of the Nom

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

Contrapposto

,

(There is no VC 1-10, see for yourself)

VC 1-12

andrew94

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

Arugula

(1)-

havingfitz

,

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(2)-

Hoopla

,

Jal

,

Contrapposto

(2)-

RachMarie

,

andrew94

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(4)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

BK201

,

pieceofpecanpie

,

Jal

(1)- Pressed Bunson,

Om of the Nom

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

Contrapposto

, Venmar,

VC 1-13

andrew94

(2)-

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

,

Arugula

(1)-

havingfitz

,

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(1)-

Hoopla

,

Contrapposto

(2)-

RachMarie

,

andrew94

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(3)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

pieceofpecanpie

,

Jal

(1)- Pressed Bunson,

Om of the Nom

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

(1)-

Jal

,
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

Contrapposto

, Venmar,

VC 1-14

andrew94

(2)-

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

,

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(1)-

RachMarie

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(1)-

Arugula

,

Jal

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(6)-

Jal

,

Hoopla

, Elmo TeH AzN,

Cobblerfone

,

andrew94

, Venmar,

RachMarie

(1)-

havingfitz

,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (3)-

Contrapposto

, petapan,

pieceofpecanpie

,

here we see the pecan wagon rising

VC 1-15

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(1)-

RachMarie

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(1)-

Arugula

,

Jal

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(6)-

Jal

,

Hoopla

,

Cobblerfone

,

andrew94

, Venmar, petapan,

RachMarie

(4)-

havingfitz

,

Contrapposto

,

BK201

,

Om of the Nom

,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

what the VCA snapshot misses is that wagon falling and the rach wagon rising but you can see elmo gets off and is pushing a go-nowhere vote on BK201 while venmar stays on and I swing a majority onto the pecan wagon and off the rachmarie wagon.

VC 1-16

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(1)-

RachMarie

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(1)-

Arugula

,

Jal

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(8)-

Jal

,

Hoopla

,

Cobblerfone

,

andrew94

, Venmar, petapan,

Contrapposto

,

BK201

,

RachMarie

(2)-

havingfitz

,

Om of the Nom

,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

but at the same time it's worth noting cobblerfone was fairly ready to bus pecan there. hrm. need to look into how that wagon went.

[petapan]

day 2 is much shorter for VCA

VC 2-2

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(3)- Venmar, petapan,

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

(2)- Elmo TeH AzN,

havingfitz

,

Cobblerfone

(1)-

Arugula

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (5)-

andrew94

,

BK201

,

Cobblerfone

,

RachMarie

,

Contrapposto

,

VC 2-3

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

(2)- Elmo TeH AzN,

havingfitz

,

Cobblerfone

(4)-

Arugula

, Venmar, petapan,

BK201

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(1)-

Cobblerfone

,

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (3)-

andrew94

,

RachMarie

,

Contrapposto

,

VC 2-4

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(2)-

Arugula

, Venmar,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

RachMarie

(3)-

Contrapposto

,

havingfitz

, petapan,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (6)-

andrew94

,

RachMarie

,

Om of the Nom

, Elmo TeH AzN,

BK201

,

Cobblerfone

,

VC 2-5

andrew94

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

Arugula

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(4)-

Arugula

, Venmar,

BK201

,

andrew94

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(1)-

RachMarie

,

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

RachMarie

(3)-

Contrapposto

,

havingfitz

,

Cobblerfone

,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)- petapan,

VC 2-6

andrew94

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

Arugula

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(6)-

Arugula

, Venmar,

BK201

,

andrew94

, petapan,

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(1)-

RachMarie

,

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

RachMarie

(1)-

havingfitz

,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

Cobblerfone

,

but yeah I have to say this pretty much makes venmar look town here seeing as he'd be pretty suicidal to hard-bus his other remaining partner on day 2 when he didn't even know what other PRs were in play (I think the vote came before the MC, need to check)

[petapan]

leaning elmo-scum, want to see him come back and post.

[petapan]

i don't think the fatalism he displayed is a towntell. it seemed halfhearted.

[petapan]

mod: can we get a prod on elmo and/or an extension?

[petapan]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 6&sr=posts

it's 1 day to deadline

[petapan]

is that all you're going to say

[petapan]

i really want to vote elmo on policy alone right now

[petapan]

haven't built up the confidence yet

[petapan]

if i were completely confident i'd be voting

[petapan]

reading and making a vote when i wake up tomorrow

[petapan]

i stalled on doing this i know but rereading is difficult and i'm in a bad mood right now and don't want to make a decision because of it

[petapan]

i was upset about unrelated stuff gimme a break - it wasn't intentional but i didn't want to think about this and fuck you if you judge me on that

I'm down for a claimed-vanilla wagon.

Vote: Venmar

can't overlook this post though

VOTE: elmo

don't even care if i'm wrong though tbh

[petapan]

cheap as hell. sorry.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: venmar

[petapan]

shame cuz i thought venmar really had a chance here

[petapan]

shh, let's wait for the mod

[petapan]

I didn't think you'd kill me.

well, i wasn't going to kill elmo and it didn't you were basically confirmed town where venmar wasn't (even though, my god, he was so obvtown i can't fathom why that happened)

i dunno, rough game. town made a lot of mistakes i think. that deadline no lynch at the end really hurt things. and yet - the 30 minute no lynch at the end nearly screwed me, because i didn't get to submit a kill in time (i absolutely hate no killing as scum, i prefer the instant resolution that lylo brings). glad no one picked up on that, i guess.

[petapan]

you didn't get lynched. I NKed you. there was 0 chance you were getting lynched and it was autoloss to not kill you as the last scum remaining. if andrew had protected you this probably would have been a town win