Open 427: PYP X/Y (Day 7)

[andrew94]

@hoopla, how would scum doubling up help them?



@Covvlerfone, why did you pick 1? that seems like what scum would do

vote covvler

[andrew94]

I was under the impression that if scum pick multiple numbers, then their draft order goes down so they effectively dont get a pr.

my reasoning for 1 being scummy is because scum wants prs, so they pick 1. IF nobody else picks 1, they get a pr. Thats what i think

[andrew94]

Eh, I don't see anything wrong with explaining why it took 4 pages before I saw the thread.

I also see you as a distraction.

VOTE: RachMarie

Early lurking isn't like Rach. Feels more like staying under the radar.

its been 1-2 days since the game started


@iamusername whats wrong with 3?

[andrew94]

Eh, I don't see anything wrong with explaining why it took 4 pages before I saw the thread.

I also see you as a distraction.

VOTE: RachMarie

Early lurking isn't like Rach. Feels more like staying under the radar.

its been 1-2 days since the game started

Rach is a vigilant player, so I'm surprised (and weakly suspicious) she hasn't made an appearance yet.

@iamusername whats wrong with 3?

Answering a simple question with another question, really?

What's wrong with

"I was gunning for a PR like everyone else"

?

Moments before you were throwing the number 1 out there as a scum slot, and when the question of your own number comes up you turn all paranoid.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: andrew

sorry, but i dont like your response at all.
in fact, i get a feeling that no matter what i answered, you can manage to label it as scummy.

[andrew94]

what the heck is pecanpie talking about cop out?

[andrew94]

sorry i had a long ass day, will do stuff 2morrow

[andrew94]

what the heck is pecanpie talking about cop out?

Alright I'll put it this way. Why do you believe whatever you responded with would make me think you're scum?

because i have met players like you before that ask weighted questions
Let me give you an example.

i asked whats wrong with 3 , you said i was paronoid. - How is that being paronoid? it is a weak attack with a

hidden premise: paronoid ppl are scum?

if i for example said, i picked 3 because it can get me a pr (which doesnt make a lot of sense) You would just use my argument
hidden premise: scum wants pr



The thing is, yes town want pr's too, but theres 9 of them and not all of them would 'want it badly'. This reflects the number you choose

[andrew94]

i dont see the logic behind peoples vote on hoopla

people try to piss me off most of the time but they are not all scum.

Also , rach, why did you link all these isos for? any purpose?

[andrew94]

again, how was i paronoid

unvote vote pieceofpecanpie

[andrew94]

i read pecan;s iso, and i dont like it.

he asks if people finds hoopla suspicious, hops on other people, then says hoopla is scum again (with me)

sounds like roundabout tunneling to me

[andrew94]

BTW that is not a reflection of whether or not Pecan is scummy, just trying to peg everyone and that looks suspicious to me Andrew.

what does this mean?


@pecan, yes i read ur iso after voting you! that doesnt mean u arent scummy to me before i read your iso (no shit?)

[andrew94]

For some reason when someone asks another player what their read on them is...it gets my attention in a negative way.

Arugula...why do you think Venmar and Hoopla are the same alignment (as scum at least)? In fact...based on the fact you are voting for Hoopla at the moment (ie you think she is scum)....then how can you have a townread on Venmar when you say if Hoopla flips scum (as you believe based on your voting her) your townread on Venmar goes away? These two do not add up.

VOTE: Arugula

Nothing was really pinging my suspicions wrt Elmo until his Post 368. We have 10 days left and we have 4 wagons with 2 voters (Jal, Hoopla, Arugula, and Elmo) and 1 wagon (BV310) with 3 voters. How does that equate to "wasted lynches" (which I take to mean you think they are wasting their votes) if people aren't on Om (who doesn't even have any votes) or BK? All the wagons at this time are still viable. We don't need to worry about voters having their votes where they won't do any good for over a week.

FoS

Elmo

why did u vote pecan?

[andrew94]

@arugula...respond to what? My suspicions remain unaffected by your response.

@andrew....Rach asked the same thing and I answered her.

sorry, i missed that part.
So how come you changed your gut in less than one page?

[andrew94]

@BK
wait what?
explain why 6,7,7,8 has lynch resistance

-argula seems to just be tunnelling.

[andrew94]

Anybody want to answer my last question?

unvote

[andrew94]

Anybody want to answer my last question?

unvote

Got pretty well covered in the discussion.

What aspect of your question still needs answering?

And as for your answers (or lack thereof) to questions past...

ask them again...

vote contra

[andrew94]

well, my gut tells me that hoopla is town.

as for my lurking, its actually not lurking. i have a really busy week these couple of weeks and can only post about once a day.

argula vs hoopla is seriously looking like a tvt argument atm, much like the one argula had with me during a past game.
who else is scum argula?

[andrew94]

i have no problem lynching a claimed pr in this setup, it just depends
on their scuminess.


i however, disagree with hoopla that claiming vt= town.


contra and venmar, according to your posts, do you think argula is scum or not?
because i just see speculating.
rach is also fencesitting!

[andrew94]

We're voting Andrew.

So your only reason for voting me is that i post low amounts/.

did you even read my post 511??

@Pecanpie, why are you still voting Andrew? I don't see you rallying to get us to join you.

Most of your posts are also one liner fillers, and you contradict yourself a lot.



@havingfitz, if you go read the wiki again, scum can have any prs as well.

[andrew94]

still not finished but not as happy with this vote

(that vig question strikes me as a town-tell, to clarify)

wait... so you changed your mind of him when you havent finished reading, but you read the last page???

also, argula's post 611 is scummy as shit.


i thought the vig here was night 3 only?

[andrew94]

unvote vote pecan

[andrew94]

things i dont like about pecans latest post.
1) you are basically stating the possibilites. anybody can do that. really null
2) i kinda voted for you really back when you starting making a crap case on me for being paronoid but then never following up on it
3) according to your post, if we lynched hoopla, we learn nothing about jal (and myself), since you listed 4 or more possibilites...
4) your second last sentence. you do realise hoopla was voting the top drafter right?


as for argula, he has the time to go make a case on hoopla, but doesnt have the time to go iso pecan/ read stuff in context.
in addition, a lot of his posts are regurgitation of the same stuff over and over again.

[andrew94]

@mod, i need v/la for 1-2 days due to incoming test!

[andrew94]

cobblerfone said this:

Hoopla is a strange kill for the mafia considering the suspicion she had on her D1. There's too many possibilities to determine what really happened though.

Perhaps the vig killed her

and the mafia's kill was stopped by the doc or a RB. Perhaps the mafia were simply terrified of Hoopla because of her experience.

I need to catch up so I'll vote when I finish my reading.

[andrew94]

actually argula, i want your reasoning too.

[andrew94]

well claim bro.

[andrew94]

will be posting soon/
i dont see why cobber picked cop when he was top.

[andrew94]

the point about the vengeful is excellent.


@BK, explain your post 1015?


@ Rach's post 1018, you said you wanted to JK 'her'
i assume 'her' is hoopla.
but i thought you didnt submit an action??



@Bk, your logic isnt right.
if there is no jk (because rach apparently didnt target)
and no doc, then argula could be scum or town.


and bk, since you think im town, you should claim first.

[andrew94]

Dude fitz, im not voting because i need to see bk etc is going.

@Rach's post 962.
you said you dont like one shot ones. but you could have chosen tracker instead
or jailkeeper.

@venmar post 1060
does using it effectively or not have a tell on whether he is scum or town?
come on man.

on hoopla issue,how was hoopla going to get lynched at the next day,
she did lynch the mafia...



Im VT, and i wont say what role i tried to pick.

[andrew94]

i actually think both argula and scum aimed hoopla, when prob means argula is town

[andrew94]

i dont really want to vote rach


-why did elmo vote me? cases pls


cobbler is more suspicious because the vengeful did not shoot
him (as the top drafter)

vote cobbler

[andrew94]

@Rach, why does argulas claim sound fake?
havent u read all those posts about it?

and i just voted someone on the post above you.....

[andrew94]

er. the plan kinda fails. you say the people with ability to kill are
'me, you . venmar, and elmo', that isnt specific....

[andrew94]

also, who the f is the

rolecop/ universal backup?
or does it not exist as well.

-not voting yet.
let this day last longer so i can reread

[andrew94]

i didnt choose not to....

[andrew94]

hey Klick, what role are you?

[andrew94]

since according to the mod, scum cant use fractional kill and ability on the same night, so if klick was scum, he cant pull off a double vig kill etc

[andrew94]

wait. why didnt klick/argula die?
i thought we all established that he was confirmed town

[andrew94]

so why was contra killed then?

[andrew94]

klick, who did you shoot?
i am entertaining the possibility that the mafia one shot redirector did something,
therefore you are not confirmed town

[andrew94]

hey venmar, do you think klick is confirmed town?

[andrew94]

I do not.

do you think im confirmed town?

[andrew94]

i have an extremely good reason to believe that both the mafia and klick shot hoopla on night 1.
venmar, do you believe that?
(unless mafia redirector did something)

[andrew94]

alright then, you can take my word that klick shot hoopla on night 1, unless i got redirected

[andrew94]

Lololol. Can I end the day for you all and flip? Because yeah.

why would you say this?

[andrew94]

vote petapan

[andrew94]

because elmo looks town(he wants to be lynched etc)
so its just venmar and petapan.
then venmar looks more town than petapan.

so yea...

elmo should just replace out

[andrew94]

My death will prove it.

will prob be hammering elmo since nobody wants to vote peta.

[andrew94]

i might happened elmo if he keeps making useless posts like that

[andrew94]

elmo should prob be blacklisted for that.

[andrew94]

I didn't think you'd kill me.

you were kinda confirmed town after i flipped.

btw, i missed out on some night actions too

[andrew94]

elmo should prob be blacklisted for that.

I haven't been following closely....for what?

Good job scum.

X Y Z left
X votes Y
Y votes Z

Y= retard

[andrew94]

lol i saved BK (confirmed townie from my view)
and didnt manage to save him next night due to quick lynch, then he died