Open 427: PYP X/Y (Day 7)

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I am open to voting fitz today but I want Om tomorrow if fitz flips town.

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Are you seeing ANY possibilities elsewhere besides the one's we've discussed? (Om; fitz)

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Uugh is right and fair enough, Venmar.

I'm going back to Om with intentions in lynching fitz tomorrow if Om flips town.
Klick, let's get this over with.
Vote Om.
VOTE: Om of the Nom

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I'm not liking the 'sideliners' not voting right now.
That whole "non committal" thing I was speaking of earlier...

Venmar, want to switch over to fitz?

(fitz--->Om--->Klick?)

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I don't know if I really like that...I'm starting to second-guess myself.
I hate that feeling.

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Let's just stick with what we have.
BK said he would vote Om should Klick not vote him.

Klick, if necessary, you'll get your way with a fitz lynch tomorrow.
Let's end this day.

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Yeah, I noticed that and decided to stick with where I'm at.
Wasn't going to mention it, but since you did...
lol.

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I was hoping we could get this over with while Scott is still on so that we can find out if this game is over or not.

The hesitance is making me wonder something.
Do you think its possible that there is more than one scum left?

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Alright, then.

Let's find out if we're right.

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Andrew claimed VT already, Klick, but why would you want a "quick lynch" if you thought he might have a PR?
State your strategy here.

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Also, you are going from "no short days" to a rush for an immediate lynch?

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What do you think, Venmar.

We do have 3 more chances at this, the way I see it.
If Klick is scum he'll paint himself into a corner with this move so should we play along?

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I see. Sounded reasonable.
So, does it really work that way in instances like these?

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So, you've played this game before where that happened?

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Klick,

I asked Scott via PM about the draft and confirmed that any PYP game can theoretically have as few as 1 active role, if everyone were to pick the same role as #1 in the draft order.

If you pick a role that has already been picked, you remain vanilla or goon.
That's how it works. The challenge is trying to select what you "think" hasn't already been picked by those in front of you.

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^^^I asked about that at the beginning of day 2.

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IF someone

did

get the "universal backup role", they are a

vengefu

l because pecan was the first PR to die and he was a vengeful.
IF that is the case it's a non issue because if the last remaining scum is now a vengeful we will still win anyway. The worst that will happen is there will be only one town left standing (still a town win).
IF town has it, I'm fine with them keeping that to themselves because if we mislynch there is the chance that they will take out the last remaining scum on the way out.

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Also, I doubt Scott would have gone straight to instant night without giving PRs and scum at least a little time to get an initial night action in. This would have been one of those instances that a GM can't really plan for.

But even if your plan had worked, it still wouldn't have changed our number of chances to get it right. Worst case would them be parity and that is still a loss for town, unless you guys do "ties" here. We don't at my regular haunt.

Also, I like the odd number count as it is usually better for town when the total count is an odd number like 9, 7, or 5.
It's easier to find scum among 5 players rather than 6. Also, you would only need 3 votes, instead of 4, so it's easier to read motives.

It's situations like these, at endgame, where numbers do become more and more important.

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-not voting yet.
let this day last longer so i can reread

Yeah, I don't fault you for that.
It's not a bad idea, at least to confirm whether we want to continue with the same game plan.
I really thought we would be in post-game chat and high-fives about now.
I'll reread as well. Fewer people to do that with now.

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Venmar,
What are your current thoughts on Klick at this moment?
His plan looked a bit naive townish to me.

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Arugula said that it had been used.

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Hadn't you caught up with the game yet, Klick?

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"FMPoV"? Not familiar with that acronym

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Well you say you haven't caught up with the thread so how do you have fitz "nailed"?

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I have to say that with you having claimed that you "might" still have your 1-shot after the person whom you replaced said adamantly that he had used it up, coupled with the fact that there was only 1 death that night, I am inclined to have Venmar's back on this one just to eliminate ANY possibility of an unforeseen vig-kill which could potentially be still in the works.

PEdit:
Now you appear to be saying you DO have it still (vig kill)

My problem with that is there was only one death the night Arugula claimed to have used it.
VOTE: Klick

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May have misunderstood you "waiting for the kill" comment but my vote on you still seems prudent.

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@Mod - If there is only one mafia member left, are they allowed to use their ability along with the factional kill in the same night?

I already asked that question, essentailly, and the answer was yes.

If scum have a vig role they may opt to use their NK and their vig kill in the same night.
This WAS while there were 2 scum left, when I asked, but I assume with one scum left standing they soul be allowed to use both because they are essentially separate from one another but still both in the players possession.

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I asked because of the dialogs going on during day 2 surrounding Arugula.

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since according to the mod, scum cant use fractional kill and ability on the same night, so if klick was scum, he cant pull off a double vig kill etc

Comforting. That was my
Main reason for voting Klick today.
When I had asked Scott the same question, it was whil 2 scum were still in play so I assumed the same would apply, though not asking about this specific instance with only one left in play.
UNVOTE:

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I think there is a good possibility that Rach JK'ed fitz.
With scum unable to simultaneously NK and Vig kill, any possible existence of the role being unused is a mute point, in that we still have 3 chances to lynch scum.

In summary:

I can now be more comfortable with my earlier suspicions that Arugula/Klick, if scum, wouldn't logically lead a second bus in two consecutive days on a scum mate. Therefore I'm back to giving benefit of the doubt by saying it is most probable that he is town.

Judging by my impressions of Rach's rather linear play style, I am also comfortable, for now, assuming that she probably JK'ed fitz.
Meaning he probably isn't scum either.

Elmo doesn't have the benefit of any of these possible scenarios and, I might add, the only lynch wagon which he has been on flipped town. He wasn't on the two consecutive successful scum BW's.
As he is in the top four suspects, I am inclined to suggest voting him today, but I want to reread him in ISO first.

Either way, the last scum is probably between fitz or Elmo.

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Not really going to hear out anything about speculative jailkeeper targets - people make crazy and irrational decisions sometimes and it just looks like fitz is reaching for a reason to clear himself

How about you make a case on me peta? Hint...it won't be a good because I'm not scum. The fact you want to discount a PR and their potential target is weak. Who else do you suspect?

The "potential PR" argument is dead now because it has been confirmed that with one scum left standing, if scum had a unused vig role, it's useless now because they can't use it in conjunction with a NK.
ALSO this definitely clears Klick for me because IF Arugula were scum he WOULD NOT HAVE bused his only scum mate (who he would have needed to perform his special action) if he hadn't used his 1-shot vig role yet.

Therefore I am back to the scenario that Klick is most-likely town and that both Arugula (vig) AND scum essentially 'overkilled' Hoops on night one.

Basic logic dictates this to be the case.

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^^^Do you agree with this (peta, Venmar)?

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Also, they wouldn't have both targeted Hoops if both were scum. That would be a wasted 1-shot PR.

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They also wouldn't have used one and not the other AND we know there was no JK by Rach that night because she missed he opportunity to put in her action.

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Klick is town.
Who needs to be number 3 if we mislynch twice more?
Again, Elmo and fitz are numbers 1 and 2 for me right now.
I will go with either.

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Both batting 0.00, as fitz put it earlier.

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We kinda already did that, but in no real listing order.

1) Cobblerfone (SCUM 1-shot redirector/lynched)
2) Arugula/Klick (claiming 1- shot town vig / also claiming to have used it night 1)
3) RachMarie (confirmed Jailkeeper/town/ deceased)
4) Venmar (claimed VT / tried for JK/Tracker slot)
5) BK (confirmed 1-shot Watcher / town / deceased)
6) pieceofpecanpie (SCUM Vengeful / lynched)
7) Andrew (claimed VT but dont know what he tried for)
8) Hoopla (confirmed VT / deceased)
9) Jal (confirmed town Neighborizer/ deceased)
10) Ser Arthur Dayne/havingfitz (Did you claim, fitz?)
11)Om of the Nom (confirmed VT/ mislynched)
12) Elmo Teh Azn (claimed VT / do not know hat he tried for)
13) Contrapposto (claimed VT / tried for JK/Traker slot)
14) iamusername/PB/petapan (claimed VT...I think)

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If I got any of that wrong, sorry...was pretty much off the top of my head.

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So, who gets the noose?

I'll go with fitz today.
VOTE: havingfitz

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Actually, I think that was the hammer vote.

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Yep, that was it.

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Im good with being on the same wagon with peta and Klick, but not sure about Elmo.
That makes me a bit nervous.

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I can agree with that.

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Just in case I'm dead tomorrow everyone needs to be thinking about worst case scenario should we be wrong today and tomorrow as well. If we are wrong today we will have 2 more chances so if it comes to that town will need to seriously rally together and think things through.

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Of course, the fact that he was on both pecan's AND Cobbler's BWs, two days consecutively, is a big town tell to me.

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I just realized that peta came to the same conclusions as me at the beginning of yesterday. The hipster, him.

Yeah, the "hipster vote" had me rolling.

Hey, peta!
Do you have a full, ungroomed beard and are you wearing a scarf with your vintage Mountain Dew T-shirt?

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And after an ISO, Elmo's probably town.

That means we were right.

I just hate the wait...even if it's not really that long it always feels that way.

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Okay, in case fitz was telling the truth, look back at the voting patterns.
Anyone on both pecan and Cobbler's wagon should be obvtown.
Anyone on pecan but not on Cobbler, or the other way around may be scum but they would be towards the first half of the wagon, perhaps feeling stuck and unable to move without looking suspect.
Under the circumstances, hammer votes don't make sense for scum to pull, regarding day 1 and 2 lynches, because it's not advantageous for them to put themselves in that position being so outnumbered as a result.

That's where you need to be looking should we find ourselves at LyLo.
Feel free to disagree but I'm just getting my thoughts out there.

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fitz, the general concensus has it down to either you or Elmo.
With 3 votes which didn't appear to be moving off of you, I decided to end the day.
Simple as that.

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Having said that, I'm not liking andrew's apparent unwillingness to get his hands dirty.

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I'm getting too busy in rl and want to end this game.
Also, I'm confident it's either you or Elmo.

Would you disagree?
Also, I'm hoping that you are just messing with my head right now.

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look guys, peta was awesome this game.
Pretty. Damn. Smooth.
End of story.

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peta, I would have followed you into Hell.
The most brilliant scum game in a while!

YOU, and you alone, made that win happen.
Congrats to the scum team!

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Loved playing with ALL of you guys!
Thanks for the awesome first experience with mafiascm.
And thanks, Scott.