Open 452i - Open Space

[Aether]

First post! I DECLARE RVS OVER!

@Om of the Nom: Aww...

[Aether]

Anyway, question time:

What is your usual scum tactic?
What is your usual town tactic?

My answer to both: Play like a VI. As town, it helps attract mafia votes. As mafia, it makes players think I am newbtown.

[Aether]

MY READS:

Om of the Nom: 45% mafia. Three useless posts.

Oh, and you can rolefish any time.

[Aether]

I mean 45% town. ****** typo.

[Aether]

My reads:

Om of the Nom: 20% town. Self-votes and OMGUSing and denying it is very scummy. Also, claiming a nonexistent role is scummy.
MattP: 60% town. Analyses are beneficial to the town..
AngryPidgeon: 48% town. Hey, no one cares about your life story, at least in this thread. Posting useless posts not directly related to this thread is known as 'active lurking'. Active lurking is a common mafia move, as it provides a good cover up for them.

[Aether]

@MattP: Why do you prefer me as town?

[Aether]

@AngryPidgeon: Do you still consider yourself as a newbie in the game of Mafia?

[Aether]

NOTE TO NEWCOMERS: IGNORE POSTS 2 TO 3. THEY ARE RANDOM SHIT.

@MattP: What do you mean? That question is meant to determine whether AngryPidgeon is a real newbie or a fake newbie.

[Aether]

Actually, I am also quite abrasive as town.

[Aether]

Oh, and I mean:

NOTE TO EVERYONE: IGNORE PAGES TWO TO THREE. THEY ARE RANDOM SHIT.

[Aether]

Why not? It draws mafia votes like an infinitely powerful powered electromagnet draws iron atoms.

[Aether]

@Om of the Nom: I AM LANCE #2!

PREPARE TO DIE!

(translation: Are you copying my mafia tactic of ignoring votes until they go away?)

@MattP: Oh, please list them.

[Aether]

Once upon a time, there was a guy. His name is Lance, after the all-ruining Lance he carries to ruin all mafia games. One day, he board the ship of the great TeChNoWC and impale him upon the Lance, after mentioning that Aether and Sawyer (MattP) is mafia. Of course, we are not mafia anymore, due to the great death reroll performed by Captain TeChNoWC, before he stepped out of the ship. However, Lance the Lance caused great hardships in the ship of our glorious captain.

VOTE: Om of the Nom

Please post. PLEASE.

@MattP: Okay. Real-time or Mafia time?

[Aether]

VOTE: Aether for being too townie.

[Aether]

Aether deserves death. Fake reaction testing is both fake and scum motivated.

Have you considered the fact that TeChNoWC did not bring a doctor of any sort to his expedition? Being obv.town is bad when there is no doctor to protect you when the sun goes down.

[Aether]

UNVOTE: Aether
VOTE: Om of the Nom

I can safely say that Om of the Nom (and Lance) is scum.

Oh, and BAAAAAAA.

[Aether]

So you are mafia? Also, I voted Om of the Nom, not Potatoes r cool.

[Aether]

Matt is town. DIrector is VI.

[Aether]

Logging in to Lance to thresh this game. The threshed game will have to restart.

Om of the Nom is scum. Apart from that, I have almost no reads.

[Aether]

Why am I scum anyway?
Literally everyone on me hasn't given a real reason for their vote on me.
I'm essentially L-2 for RVS reasons.
So please, be a dear and actually explain your reasons, if you have any that is.
Also note how I've actually given arguable the most content so far, and I haven't really witheld any reasonsing either.

You OMGUSed and claimed SK.

[Aether]

Oh, and Om, your play style is dramatically different from your town play style.

[Aether]

Yeah, but your play style seems scummy.

[Aether]

Captain, please issue an official vote count for the ship.

Aether out.

[Aether]

Stop shitting on our glorious captain's car.

[Aether]

Oh, and hey, all! Vote one or the other! We cannot lynch two mafia a day!

[Aether]

I would do the same, but the_director is not on my scum list.

[Aether]

A dick completely unprovoked? Does it mean a dick which is not provoked?

[Aether]

Sorry, I meant who is not provoked.

Just to tell you how my mafia mind works, I just divide the gam into arguments, and only consider the cause, the tone and the outcome.

[Aether]

Sorry, typo again. I mean 'game'.

[Aether]

Unless I missed something, isn't MattP pretty much playing the same way he played last game? I know he was scum in that game, but my point is that he seems to play the exact same way every time.

What's the current case on Matt? Is it just his posting style?

MattP is most likely townie (about 80%). His posts now lack the sinister feel of his mafia posts.

[Aether]

*bleed eyes*

Reads please.....

[Aether]

VOTE: the_director because I suspect him.

[Aether]

This is one of the games where my brain goes blank because the scum is playing too well.

Also, reads please.

My reads:

NOTE: Percentage is probability

Venmar: 75% town. Contributes a lot.

Om of the Nom: 30% town. Scummy feel to scummy posts.

the_director:25% town. Scummy feel to scummy posts.

Lord_Mhork: 75% town. Contributes a lot.

[Aether]

AngryPidgeon: 35% town. STOP SHITTING ON MY CAR IN THE SAFETY OF THE SPACESHIP TREE!

MattP: 76% town. Contributes a lot.

I cannot deduce any more reads.

[Aether]

AP is obvtown? Since when is AP obvtown?

Since when is MattP scum after the reroll?

Like your intention to claim SK?

EDIT:

Venmar: 25% town. Fluffs around.

Nice catch, Om of the Nom.

PEDIT: VOTE: Potatoes r cool

[Aether]

Also, Potatoes r cool, you might want to stop going around in circles, and watch poor folk like MattP, Venmar and me suffer.

[Aether]

Oh, and please put a [sarcasm] tag. This thread is called Open 452i - Open Space, not Bastard 452i - Bastard sarcasm.

[Aether]

Really? I'm contributing a lot? I have 5 posts, all of which are short ones. Where'd you get that 'lots of contribution'?

Five useful posts in a sea of shit.

[Aether]

VOTE: dragon

OMGUS DETECTED. SCUMTEAM OF OM OF THE NOM AND ANGRYPIDGEON DETECTED.

[Aether]

So the scumteam is AngryPidgeon/Venmar/Om of the Nom?

[Aether]

That question was directed at NovaDragon.

[Aether]

I didn't say plural VI's, i said VI, singular, and I was referring to Aether.

Well, I skimmed back through and have come to the conclusion that the team is likely AP/ Venmar + Other. AP for reasons already stated, and Venmar for hammer and drive for Omnom, who still seems town to me. The third is still open for me: Perhaps AP's drive on Declan is to have scum flip to make him look town, that's what I think. In conclusion: I'll keep my vote on Declan.

- No, bullshit. You have given none of your own reasoning for the AP scumread, your scumread on me is weak, and the Declaran scumread looks like it's heavily weighed into AngryPidgeon being scum. This means that your vote is horrible because you're pushing it just because it has a lot of popularity behind it, rather than pushing someone ( Angry ) that would confirm that read. You're basically saying " Hey, this guy is totally scum ( Angry ), but this guy might be connected so i'm going to go for him ".

Summary: You're pushing a popular vote over a more logical scumread of yours, and your reads are weak and unexplained. Die scum, die.

So the scumteam is AngryPidgeon/Om of the Nom/NovaDragon?

[Aether]

Me too. He is at 15% town now due to more active lurking.

VOTE: NovaDragon

[Aether]

Obvtown:
Me
Potatoes r cool
Fitz

Of the rest...I think its Name User / Dec / Dragon

AngryPidgeon is now at 65% town. Mafia would not make that statement unless......unless......they are

really

good at being mafia.

[Aether]

I don't think ever been more sure of my vote ever.

Declan giggs and director are scum team gg.

UNVOTE: Nom nom
VOTE: director

Choo choo bitches

The team: Mattp/DeclanGiggs/Director

I'll see you all at the reception.

UNVOTE: Mattp
VOTE: Declan Giggs

100% Guaranteed scum here.

^ This vote. It pleases me. As scummy as Declan is, Im actually more certain of Dragon right now. And that is saying something.

Om should be considered obvtown unless the hider didn't submit an action or is retarded. (And yes I will rage at you if you are fucking my reads up by doing something else)

Aether, Om and I are both town so try again. I will OMGUS whoever the hell I want. It isn't a scumtell. And dragon's opening post was off-the-charts scummy for reasons you can find in my ISO.

Dragon needs to die today. Declan is the 2nd most likely scum.

I think Venmar is town. I also think Aether is town. Disturbed's last post is making me , but I do not care since he is voting scum right now anyhow.

Every time you have your reads you've given no doubt to your scum tells. Why would you do this? You were wrong in

two

three of these scum reads at the very least, yet you say them with such conviction. I fail to see where everyone thinks I'm scum; anyone who is not scum, who is also voting for me, please stop and remember that the scumteam is voting with you RIGHT NOW. I haven't counted, but I think I'm dead.

Does everyone not realize exactly what's going on? Are we in so much of a push to lynch (or follow a bad one at that) that we are going to hand the victory over to the scum?? HALF OF THE NEEDED VOTERS ACCOUNT TO ALL OF THE SCUM! Our chance at victory is very small, and lynching so whimsically without intellectual conversation is going to guarantee our defeat. My money is on AP. AP/Venmar, with a side of Aether or Disturbed. And please, someone kill AP, to at least humor me when I die. In case I'm not dead UNVOTE: VOTE: AP

I don't need to read your whole post to know you are

scum

. You are at 15% town for posting 'every time' and 'does everyone knows what is going on', which are scummy statements, so, UNVOTE: VOTE: NovaDragon

[Aether]

I'm sorry, I didn't know [hammering] was anti-town...?

You

modded a game before

and you don't know that?

[Aether]

Nova's scum. From those last three pages, Declan looks like scum too. The way that he goes after Om and tries to discredit his conftown hider status is just scumrific.

AP, I dunno if this is too much to ask, but could you stop double/triple posting? <.<

Scumteam of NovaDragon/Decian_giggs/Om of the Nom detected.

[Aether]

What is the logic for that?

If Nova flips town, you and Om and your ALL CAPS LEADERSHIP has led us to two mislynches. So, I identified a player who has been active and sensible in his short time here, who I would like to have as conf town.

If Nova flips town, a partial scumteam of Om of the Nom/AngryPidgeon will be detected by me.

[Aether]

Requesting official lynch report from ship capain TeChNoWC.

[Aether]

The lynch is done. By my count I saw 6 votes for Dragon after my hammer, and if my count is off Aether got the 7th vote.

You

modded a game before

and you don't know that?

- Yes... I modded before. Why is hammering anti-town? I do claim responsibility for the fact that I have been clumsy for not checking the vote count and hammering today, but things happen and I am still pretty confident i hammered scum rather than town.

You could have

forced him to claim or something!

[Aether]

Nonono, see we're supposed to mislynch Aether today, and eventually later on I get you all to mislynch AP and I win.
In other words AP hadn't actually been giving many good vibes (but not really any bad vibes either), and frankly the only thing that makes him somewhat of a townread to me is that his reads make complete sense to me and he's thinking like me.
Aether is just getting on my nerves and he's basically just coasting by on his VI status that people are clearing him on from last game. Either he needs death or a shit ton of pressure.

The word 'mislynch' and the phrase 'and I win' states that you are scum.

[Aether]

I just read him (Aether) in Iso. He actually asks some good questions amidst all the gibberish. If he didn't have the need to try to be some forum Napoleon Dynamite character, he would be playing the way I like to see people play. Pressure votes, follow on questions, spreading his attention around. The antics feel like a scum tactic, but the content feels town to me. Read: still town-leaning

My gibberish or their gibberish?

[Aether]

So who can summarize for me on why AP is scum?

My five word summary of why AP is scum:

STOP SHITTING ON THE GAME!

[Aether]

@AP, regarding Post 499... Why would you say meta cases are bullshit and then refer us/me to another game to illustrate the point (ie use meta). Also...that BBmolla vote is a pretty poor example. He had it on you barely over 1 page. And your defense at being linked to the director's lynch is ridiculous. You were the first vote on his wagon and aside from a short diversion on the MattP and Declan wagons you stuck it through to the end on the director's wagon. You may not have been its biggest bandwagon leader (not sure who was) but you didn't waver from it much.

Aether....the percentages are really stupid and annoying. Mind you you aren't....the percentages are. And why would mafia not make Post 499? Let's "pretend" AP IS mafia...why does putting himself on a list of obv town with two players who actually ARE town a bad move for mafia? If APmafia were to be lynched all that would do is interject WIFOM towards the potential alignment of OM and I. It's a perfectly acceptable post for either town or scum to make. Only difference is...if AP IS town...he doesn't really know if Om or I are town soooooo either way, WIFOM or unknowingness...the post is null/worthless. It just gives his opinion which from what I have seen isn't backed up by much reasoning.

And so Aether...10 minutes after you say mafia wouldn't make a post like AP did you say AP is scum if Nova flips town. Also, why did you choose to delete the Probtown references to you and Venmar when you quoted AP in your Post 527?

@Aether, Venmar and AP.

What are your cases on NovaDragon? I looked for them a bit and can't seem to find them. You definitely didn't provide them when you voted him (correctly or incorrectly).

You are not supposed to comment on yourself. Not only is it plain retarded, it will also distort the town's opinion of you.

I am Aether, the master of cracking WIFOMs. That is why I win 99% of scissors paper stone matches.

If two people vote each other, there is a 90% chance of one being scum.

I cannot deduce your second question in your second statement.

NovaDragon is AngryPidgeon, but more subtle about it. He also sheeps.

[Aether]

I've been busy, sorry for not posting.

Give me a moment.

Hello, are you Mr Name User, Consligere of AngryPidgeon's gang? I would like to order 50 barrels of jewish blood for $99999999, and then shoot you in the back instead of paying you.

TRANSLATION: Why the **** did you make that ****** statement?

[Aether]

VOTE: dragon

OMGUS DETECTED. SCUMTEAM OF OM OF THE NOM AND ANGRYPIDGEON DETECTED.

Angry votes Nova --> Om is scum?

Om is already at 20% town when I made that post.

Come to think of it, I seriously think that AngryPidgeon and NovaDragon are bussing each other.

[Aether]

Aether's been doing jack shit and is coasting along because everyone seems to be letting him. His reads are highly unexplained and only ever have a 5 word reason at the very most. There is no elaboration whatsoever about why he thinks a certain way about certain things, and when challenged he doesn't fight back and chooses to submit instead.

He was all gung ho about lynch me for the majority of the game so far but then all of a sudden when director came he essentially dropped me and never interacted with me other than implying I'm scum with his scumteam guesses. There have not been any attacks from him on me at all, the only hint of reason I've actually got form him is that 'my playstyle seems scummy'. This is fucking bullshit and was clearly thought up on the spot at that time.

After the low interaction period he had in regards to me, he finally mentions me again with this useless filler shit which is basically the same as the majority of his posts in the game.

Nonono, see we're supposed to mislynch Aether today, and eventually later on I get you all to mislynch AP and I win.
In other words AP hadn't actually been giving many good vibes (but not really any bad vibes either), and frankly the only thing that makes him somewhat of a townread to me is that his reads make complete sense to me and he's thinking like me.
Aether is just getting on my nerves and he's basically just coasting by on his VI status that people are clearing him on from last game. Either he needs death or a shit ton of pressure.

The word 'mislynch' and the phrase 'and I win' states that you are scum.

Let me explain. Why would you say 'mislynch' instead of 'lynch' and 'I' instead of 'we'?

[Aether]

The reason why I only post five word explanations is because they are the only independent variables.

[Aether]

Let me explain. Why would you say 'mislynch' instead of 'lynch' and 'I' instead of 'we'?

Is this seriously all you have to say to my post?
VOTE: Aether

Think about this. Town will act like town, to not confuse other town. Mafia will act like town, to confuse town. They will post posts with about the same type of content, if they are decent at playing mafia. The only way to tell them apart is to see

how they carry their posts.

.

[Aether]

Om is obvtown. Venmar is prob town. Im nowhere near caught up.

Aether is looking scummy.

Declan still muh pick, may change on catchup. The fuck is techno.

Is this twilight or not????

You meant the opposite of what you said, don't you?

[Aether]

PEdit: I do fail to see why OmNom is obvtown other than the fact he might have been cleared by the hider.

Furthermore, the so-called hider may be really a lying scum.

[Aether]

If Om of the Nom flips scum, we can safely peg the so-called hider as scum. If Om of the Nom flips town, we can safely peg the hider as town.

[Aether]

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE HIDER IS YET

If so, how are we supposed to know that someone says that a hider targeted you?

[Aether]

Let me explain. Why would you say 'mislynch' instead of 'lynch' and 'I' instead of 'we'?

Is this seriously all you have to say to my post?
VOTE: Aether

Think about this. Town will act like town, to not confuse other town. Mafia will act like town, to confuse town. They will post posts with about the same type of content, if they are decent at playing mafia. The only way to tell them apart is to see

how they carry their posts.

.

If this is how you're playing mafia and you're town then you're a fucking idiot. Don't take everything at face value and you may actually be good at this game for once. If all you do is listen to what they say and not what they mean then you will just keep getting lied to by the scum and you'll never notice it. If you can't even tell that what I said was a simple joke then I don't even know what kind of business you have playing mafia.

What joke? Saying that "Post X is a joke" is a convenient way for mafia to hide their flaws. I got tricked by that once.

It is easy to post the content that a townie will post. It is hard for a mafia to give their posts a non-calculated non-mafia feel.

[Aether]

Oh, suppose that the hider shit is a lie made up by AngryPidgeon. Why aren't you voting him now, then?

Stupid scum.

VOTE: Om of the Nom

[Aether]

Aether

1) Please organize your thoughts into one posts so I don't have to read half a page filled with your goddamn nonsense.
2) Om's right, you need to read things at a deeper level. He's clearly joking in #543. You're going to "get tricked" by reading everything at face value more often than it'll help.

AP, we're not in twilight. Tech posted a VC.

How do I split quotes?

[Aether]

Oh, suppose that the hider shit is a lie made up by AngryPidgeon. Why aren't you voting him now, then?

Stupid scum.

VOTE: Om of the Nom

JUST DIE ALREADY

i.e. You are scum.

[Aether]

As in, Om of the Nom is scum

[Aether]

VOTE: dragon

OMGUS DETECTED. SCUMTEAM OF OM OF THE NOM AND ANGRYPIDGEON DETECTED.

Angry votes Nova --> Om is scum?

Om is already at 20% town when I made that post.

Come to think of it, I seriously think that AngryPidgeon and NovaDragon are bussing each other.

%%%
That doesn't answer anything.

@Venmar, post 578, "shamelessly wagoning" is one way of looking at it. But I call it "compromising".

Om is not scum, and if he is, there's not much evidence, hider and all that, spend your energy on something else.

I was wrong, Aether isn't getting better.

ZZZ

20% town means "Heavily leaning towards mafia".

[Aether]

Aether it's pretty obvious Om was joking.
VOTE: Aether Stop.

The more people jokes, the harder it is to siphon out who is the mafia, due to the amount of posts to siphon.

Therefore it is scummy.

VOTE: Om of the Nom

[Aether]

I just realized that my all-seeing eye will not malfunction. It worked twice here.

I have the feeling that it will work again.

My all-seeing eye watched Om of the Nom being a mafia last night.

[Aether]

I have lost all my patience with you.

TRANSLATION: I, Om of the Nom, am sick of trying to convince you that I am not mafia, when, in fact, I am.

[Aether]

I haven't tried to convince anyone I'm not mafia, I think most people with a brain have already realised that I'm town.

Everyone has a brain. What matters is the neurological connection count between the neuron cells, and the size of the brain.

[Aether]

It's not like there are any somewhat decent attacks on me anyway.

For some reason, I can picture someone in a Mafia QT saying that.

[Aether]

Aether can you explain why Om is scum in like...a coherent paragraph?

Anyone who votes someone just because they post something stupid repeatedly and is not sheeping is most likely mafia.

Anyone who frames a village idiot as mafia is most definitely mafia.

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@Aether...WTH are you talking about wrt the hider being scum?

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In summary...I'm a fan of an AP, Venmar obv or Name User wagon annnnd in a bit more distant 4th...perhaps a deadline no-lynch avoiding Aether wagon.

Someone mentioned that the hider targeted Om of the Nom. I can only assume that we know who is the hider, or that the guy who first mentioned the hider should either be lynched or policy lynched.

[Aether]

Anyone who votes someone just because they post something stupid repeatedly and is not sheeping is most likely mafia.

Anyone who frames a village idiot as mafia is most definitely mafia.

So why was I scum early Day 1?

Oh, and I forgot.

Anyone who plays aggressively and does not post detailed and logical analyses is a mafioso.

[Aether]

Okay. If I am town, Om of the Nom is scum.

Put me at L-1 all you want.

[Aether]

Okay if anyone still thinks Aether's town despite the fact that he's using these bullshit tells to distract from actual scumhunting then you must be a fucking idiot.

Erm...what scumhunting?

Also, I know you are scum. I just know you are scum, and will not stop until 75% of the alive players, rounded up, confirms your so-called townieness.

[Aether]

Before I forget, TeChNoWC, I thought I voted Om of the Nom.

Also, if I am not voting him, then VOTE: Om of the Nom

[Aether]

Besides, the only people I can remember off the top of my head who haven't called me town are you and Venmar.
10 people alive, 2 people haven't called me town = more than 3 quarters of everyone alive have called me town.
Feel free to stop anytime.

Really? I thought the only people who called you town are you, lastsurvivor, AngryPidgeon and Decian_giggs?

[Aether]

How do you know that the hider targeted Om of the Nom, AngryPidgeon?

Why do I think that NovaDragon and you are bussing each other? Well, it is because I think both of you are scum and you are voting each other when I said that.

Okay, I seriously think that there is no point to continue rolefishing Potatoes r cool.

UNVOTE: Om of the Nom

VOTE: NovaDragon

[Aether]

Would scum really openly say that Om? I mean I realize hes trying to be WIFOMy intentionally, but I just don't see him claiming that in thread.

The only thing that admittedly has me slightly worried about him was how fast he stopped going for you and switched to Dragon after I made my post. And the rolefishing thing looks a little bit like a lame excuse to make the switch. But he was probably going to end up on the dragon wagon anyhow seeing that it is the counterwagon to, well, HIM. So ya.. Still thinking hes town.

You don't like summaries?

NovaDragon just seem more scum than Om of the Nom. I will still be keeping both eyes on him.

Om is a flippy town/scum read (20%-70% town). I can't peg him down on one alignment. On one hand, he seems desperately flailing around when I rolefish him. On the other hand, he seems legitimately townie...sometimes.

[Aether]

Difference is I'm using reasons and logic (and gut too) whereas Aether isn't scumhunting at all and is doing jack-shit except for joining has-been wagons.

What logic? Only gut.

[Aether]

Well, I just find it funny because from my perspective, you two both look town for similar reasons. Namely being emotional and sticking yourselves way out there for no real good reason other than you think the other person is scum.

So if you are scum, one of us (or both) are definitely scum.

However, I know I am not scum.

Therefore, if you are scum, Om of the Nom is one of your scumbuddies.

[Aether]

Probable scumteam of Om of the Nom/AngryPidgeon/NovaDragon. Lynch AngryPidgeon first. His revealed alignment (and the nightkill) will reveal the alignment of many, many people.

[Aether]

Further thinking leaves Disturbed/Aether/AP as the probable scumteam with a potential side dish of LS.

Further thinking leaves Om of the Nom/NovaDragon as part of a probable scumteam. I seriously doubt that Om of the Nom is town, as NovaDragon isn't on his probable scumteam list.

Now I seriously doubt that AngryPidgeon is scum, for some reason related to the quoted post (AngryPidgeon is on Om of the Nom's probable scum team, and it does not look like a bus to me).

[Aether]

AP maybe if you bus Aether we can be townie buddies again (except you're still scum).

Wow. This post is scummy beyond measure. I mean seriously,

we can be townie buddies again (except you're still scum).

this?

[Aether]

But then, again, it might not.

[Aether]

Do you think I will get myself into mess of this degree if I am scum? No. I will just touch the line. Not cross it. Do you know why? If I am scum, I naturally don't want to lynch scum this badly. Like,

Spoiler: this

OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!OM OF THE NOM IS SCUM I KNOW IT IN MY BRAIN, HEART, AND SOUL!!!!!

[Aether]

Oh god the WIFOM kill it now

In the rare event you are actually town you are playing godawfully and are not doing yourself or the town any favors by being a dumbshit.

I'm so sick of you, maybe I'll just lynch you on day three or something. Or probably day one.

Seriously. If that is what you say when you are town (and I am sure it is not), then.....well.....

I suspected you because you play like MattP (and Xyria) when they were mafia.

I then suspect you a little less when you post something that looks townie at first glance.

When you post a lot of shit when I was pressuring you, you start flailing around like a neutral survivor about to get lynched.

I seriously don't know whether you are town, or scum.

If NovaDragon flips town, you will be the next on my list.

[Aether]

Also, let other people, like AngryPidgeon, Venmar and NovaDragon, post before we continue this argument about your scumminess and my scumminess. They wouldn't want to read a huge wall of text. More text = harder to understand. Therefore, it is good (unless I am right and you are mafia) to postpone this argument until the others read this giant wall of text that will only mean one paragraph to them and reply to it. Let the townies think more. It will be good for the town.

[Aether]

This. Aether seems to be playing tomorrow's game, in other words, setting up this persona that is impossible to meta later, be damned what happens in this game now.

Yes.

[Aether]

Lynching Aether as policy crossed my mind, but if we ML today then it's LYLO tomorrow.

And you are right that the whole drawing attention to himself just connects back to the WIFOM problem. Aether's a mess of a player. If he's town I don't think I'll ever play with him again.

Is not the world a big WIFOM?

[Aether]

I changed my mind, AP is 70/30 leaning scum. AP's current basis as to why he and Aether are not scum is that they both are drawing attention to themselves.

In post 680, AngryPidgeon wrote: "Is shifting gears a scumtell? The last time I checked, they try to be somewhat consistent as not to draw attention to themselves."<--- this right here... I feel that this has only been said as a means to implant this idea into other people's minds; that you can't possibly be scum because why would you draw this attention. You've managed to sway some people away from Aether with it, so why not use it for yourself too? I give you 30% town because your points aren't entirely invalid... however your aggressive-defensiveness makes me really suspect that you are

hiding

something...

Godfather Nova is talking, is talking, is talking...shit talking, shit talking, shit talking.

TRANSLATION: Don't listen to this scum. Just lynch him. After all, he is scum, isn't he?

[Aether]

On one hand, we should lynch AngryPidgeon, because his alignment can potentially reveal the alignment of two prob-scum. On the other hand, if he flips town, the game will end too fast with a scum win. Personally, I think it is safer if we don' lynch him first, lest the scum win quickly.

[Aether]

Its Fitz/Disturbed/Dragon still. Yawn. Only problem is no one believes me this time : (

Om, you should vote disturbed. Im bussing him just so you will compromise on the wagon with me.

I love how no one in the game thinks hes town.

So you are scum?

[Aether]

You said "I love how no one in the game thinks hes town." Why?

[Aether]

Negative. I am a robot.

What about my post made you ask that?

Oh, the bussing comment, lol.. Because Om said that I was scummy (IIRC?) and that Disturbed was scummy. It was a joke.

What joke? Don't forget to add your [sarcasm] tag!

[Aether]

ALERT! ALERT! ASTEROID IN OUR FLIGHT PATH DETECTED! ALL HANDS ON DECK! REPEAT: ALL HANDS ON DECK!

[Aether]

Happy guys? To be brutally honest I have been busy playing LoL lately, and didn't feel like responding to some of this load of crap. I find the wagon on Aether to have potential but I don't like the people pushing it, which ultimately turns me off. A lot of you have been making up reads I feel and have been pushing votes for the wrong reasons. I don't like how NU is justifying his vote with pressure and lurkiness rather than legitimate reasons. I'll put it out there right now, lurking is not a scumtell on it's own and you're all scummy for pushing a lynch on a lurker without anything else to justify it. Period.

I hate LoL. LoL is for N00Bs. Stop playing LoL and start playing a more sensible game, like DotA or Mafia.

[Aether]

Good luck lynching me! My scumbuddies are NovaDragon and Om of the Nom.

^_^ JK!

[Aether]

Om of the Nom, should I do a Lance, except that I am town?

[Aether]

I am so obviously town. The only question is whether to

policy

lynch me or not.

Oh and Ship Captain TeChNoWC, Om of the Nom is not two people, even though his name has four words in it.

Thankyou, fixed - TeChNoWC

[Aether]

Can two volunteers please step up and pressure NovaDragon?

[Aether]

ROAR! MORE POSTS! WE NEED MORE POSTS!

[Aether]

I still seriously think that you, Om of the Nom, and NovaDragon are scum.

[Aether]

You said "I love how no one in the game thinks hes town." Why?

If you look at everyone's reads, you will see that no one actually thinks Disturbed is town.

Om thinks hes scum, I think hes scum, dragon thinks hes scum, NU thinks hes scum. Everyone else thinks hes null AT BEST.

But why 'love'?

[Aether]

LYNCH DRAGON. DON'T LISTEN TO THAT OM SCUM.

JUST LYNCH HIM. HIS ALIGNMENT WILL REVEAL A LOT OF THINGS, LIKE OM's, ANGRYPIDGEON'S, AND MANY OTHERS' ALIGNMENT.

[Aether]

I'm starting to lose my hard on for this game. Fitz is practically claiming scum in thread. Disturbed posts almost look like he has actual opinions. Dragon is probably their buddy. Choo choo and all that BS.

Re Fitz's wall post

Fitz is so obviously not town that I cannot even bring myself to look at the wall of fluff he is spewing into the thread.

You have a very, very, good point.

VOTE: Havingfitz

[Aether]

What is tl;dr?

[Aether]

Can't be fucked reading Fitz vs. AP, just get a lynch already. Aether and Disturbed are wise choices.

Excuse me, mister scum, why did you not mention NovaDragon? Is the reason because you are scum and he is your scumbuddy?

[Aether]

If Om of the Nom is town, there is a high probability of Disturbed_One, AngryPidgeon and me being scum. However, if Om of the Nom is scum, which I highly believe because he scumslipped several times in early game and did not put down a strong argument for NovaDragon's townieness, there is a high probability that NovaDragon is scum and AngryPidgeon and me are town.

If you would like some examples of his scumslips, here they are.

VOTE: mattp
this is not omgus at all

i claim sk

So you are mafia? Also, I voted Potatoes r cool, not Potatoes r cool.

No, I'm Masons with AP.
Also that's because I changed my name with FoxReplace lol.

So can we hurry up and lynch director?.....

[Aether]

Because Nova is town and I've already mentioned why.

So why? In what way does your analysis of him not contradict his play?

[Aether]

The first three are jokes and the last one has nothing wrong with it.

STOP JOKING! NO JOKING IN THE SPACESHIP DURING FORUN TIME!

MUST I PUT THE SIGN UP?

[Aether]

corr: forum time

[Aether]

Because Nova is town and I've already mentioned why.

So why? In what way does your analysis of him not contradict his play?

Because his reaction to his "hammer" makes me think his town. The rest of his play doesn't need to match up since I think it's a strong enough tell.

Look. He only change his play

because

of his hammer reaction. How about

before[/] the hammer reaction?

[Aether]

NOTE TO MOD: Fix my tags please

[Aether]

I mean did his play match up before his hammer reaction? If not, just vote him. Mafia might change their play to match their reaction.

[Aether]

I'm not judging his towniness based on after the reaction, I'm basing it on the reaction itself.

And how does that prove that he is town?

[Aether]

So basically everyone who isn't you fits into a demeaning or scummy category? Okay, that works.
I've provided reasons for my reads and done more extensive reasons for my Aether read, yet you seem to be fine with discrediting all that and my play in general as me being a dumbass so you don't have to respond to it.

Same here. I've provided reasons for my reads and done more extensive reasons for my Om of the Nom read, yet you seem to be fine with discrediting all that and my play in general as me being a dumbass so you don't have to respond to it.

[Aether]

Well maybe if you read my posts you can see why an Aether lynch is not only a policy lynch but one on scum.

You just scumslipped.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Om of the Nom

[Aether]

To elaborate why Post 801 is a scumslip, there is absolutely no reason why I may be scum and not VI, other than the fact that I scum-VI'ed before the reroll.

Seriously.

[Aether]

Well maybe if you read my posts you can see why an Aether lynch is not only a policy lynch but one on scum.

I read your posts. They are fluff, like 100 copies of my name in the vote tag, enlarged by 200 times.

[Aether]

"All newbies should be taken with a grain of salt. Any player can have wrong reads, new or old. But we should never entirely discount any tell; the situation should be taken into account as a whole. Wrong reads can even be towntells, at times." - TeChNoWC

I wonder does this apply here?

[Aether]

Fitz, you die Tomorrow. I will have it arranged. Even though your team is clearly going to kill me tonight and argue the NK spec WIFOM.

Depending on what you mean, this may be a scum slip.

[Aether]

AP we have like seven days, so not sure why you're saying we have no time.

Also, fun note:

No…scum like to deal in absolutes. All or nothing.

An absolute statement about absolutes. How ironic.

That said, loldisturbed.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Disturbed

Yup, Disturbed, I'm going to make a case based off of your flip flop. AP was pretty much your only town read until you out of nowhere declared Aether town. Don't deny it. Here was your rationale in case you forgot:

So, at the moment I'm gonna say Pidegeon is town. He's been

heavily scum hunting

and he has

very accurate reads

IMO. He's been taking a stance on the issues at hand and is not afraid to share his opinion. I like Pidgeon, I don't see any reason to see him as scum.

As for why I think he's town, I don't have a "case" as for why he is. But the way he's taking charge of the discussion and actively seeking out scum, to me seems difficult to imitate as scum.

That's definitely a strong declaration of townieness. But now your read is

But I completely agree, I think AP has been

highly inconsistent

and I actually think he could be scum. He is

waffling

and

active lurking,

which he accused me of and is trying to get me lynched for those reasons.

Disturbed, how the hell did you go from thinking that AP was "heavily scum hunting" to saying that he is "active lurking"? Those are pretty much opposites, brah. Likewise, how did you go from thinking that AP had "very accurate reads" to thinking that he was "highly inconsistent"? Note, these aren't rhetorical questions. I want you to answer them.

You either weren't reading AP's posts when you said he was town twice or you're completely bullshitting now to save your own ass. In fact, it could be both. There's no way Fitz's case really convinced you to do a complete turn around on your opinion of AP like that.

I can safely confirm you as town.

[Aether]

plus wtf is post 863 right before mine.

That is because there is a lot of content in Lastsurvivor's last post.

[Aether]

Wait. Decian, who

are

the confirmed town? The whole game is so messy that I cannot see one or more people stealing the limelight or anything.

[Aether]

In VoteCount 1.4, TeChNoWC says this:

MattP - 3 (Disturbed_One, declan_giggs, the director) - L4

I have a feeling that the scum is in here, since scum usually kill who they vote, according to my experience.

[Aether]

Sorry,

a

scum. The most influential one. Usually the loudest in the day.

[Aether]

Wait. Decian, who

are

the confirmed town? The whole game is so messy that I cannot see one or more people stealing the limelight or anything.

Seriously aether? Angry pidgeon has claimed hider with no counter claim. He says he hid behind Om. Hider dies if they hide behind a role that can kill, so if all true Om must be town. Unless someone counter claims AP and Om must be assumed to be town.

Without a counter claim its a huge stretch to conclude ap is lying despite my and others strong feel he was scum.

So Om of the Nom and AngryPidgeon is confirm town? That is all?

Wow. What a big wall with twisty little passages. I have to read it now.

[Aether]

ZZZ MY EYES ARE BLEEDING AGAIN!!!!!

[Aether]

VOTE: Novadragon If I am not voting him anyway.

I hate you so much - GLaDOS

Remember to follow the 'unvote' rule.

-TeChNoWC

[Aether]

I'm still good with an Aether lynch

I'm still good with an NovaDragon lynch.

[Aether]

Ven is still too hard to tell. While he has mostly voted townies (Om, AP, Director, Me... Especially me), 'unknowingly' dropped the hammer on me, and has been spewing some pretty lame stuff lately... His style and reasoning have actually seemed town oriented. I have a lean toward scum, but it isn't very strong, say 60-40.

I'm not thrilled about Disturbed either, but he still hasn't seemed very town imo.
I guess I'll need to do a few more iso's before I come up with a conclusive list, but here's what I got...

Town: Om ofc, AP ofc, Fitz
Scum: Disturbed, Aether, and Venmar (until I do some more iso's)

The rest of y'all just sit tight

PEdit: I really thought we'd get to the end of the time period before lynch...

Wow. He actually think that I am scum. For a scum, he has a nerve!

In other words, don't trust him until AngryPidgeon hide behind him.

We're in twilight right? Where's Techno?

NOOOOOO NOT TWILIGHT PLEASE MAFIA DON'T TARGET ME!!!!!

Basically, AP fucked up when he was at L-2, but he has been DYING to claim all day. Now, he is DYING to die tonight and take a townie with him. And this is different than his fitz thing because there we have a tie to nova to also work out. If he des behind fitz due to fitz being scum, we have nova nailed too as there s no way scum fitz saved a townie on a technicality.

First, you are implying that AP WANTS to kill town. That's just not true, and makes you shady as shit by saying it. Second, if fitz is somehow scum, that does not solidify a tie to me! Because it just does not have solid ground. If fitz is scum, then he is commendable scum.

While I agree that we should have waited, and was probably the best option, I don't think lynching Disturbed now was a "wrong" play, if that makes sense. If he is scum, and apparently giggs feels strongly about it, then why risk the wagon to disband?

Further, it seems like a bad play for scum to hammer knowing the hider has revealed himself...

Godfather NovaDragon is talking, is talking, is talking...shit talking, shit talking, shit talking.

[Aether]

So did you torture Disturbed_One into giving away his fellow aliens?

No. Do I look like the one who killed Havingfitz?

Well, that basically sorts everything out.

VOTE: Venmar for voting havingfitz.

Who else wanted to vote havingfitz?

Own up.

Now.

Also, everyone, vote those who wanted to vote havingfitz.

[Aether]

GREAT JOB SCUM YOU KILLED AN EASILY LYNCHABLE TOWNIE OVER A FUCKING CONFIRMED TOWNIE.
VOTE: Aether
AP you better fucking keep your promise or I will rape the shit out of you.

Scum killed Havingfitz so that they can make that statement, which means one of us is scum, but not both. Since I am not scum, you are. Which, by extension, also means that AngryPidgeon is scum.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Om of the Nom

Sorry. I was being rash in my last post. I never really thought much or read the entire wall of posts.

There. Now we know exactly who is scum, unless, for some reason, I somehow misread my role PM as Vanilla Townie when it is really Mafia Goon. But then, scum would not want to kill havingfitz, just so that they could bus me. This WIFOM, if it feels like WIFOM to you, will lead to the one guy who accused me of being scum being scum. In other words, Om of the Nom is scum. Yes, he is.

@Mod:

(and all others too I guess)

According to Aether's signature he's no longer on site.

How does Fitz town = Dragon town (question directed to Declan or Dragon but anyone can answer).

No. I am on site for as long as this game lasts, or I get nightkilled or lynched, whichever comes first.

Sorry, I was being rash on my last post. It was quite a shock that day 3 started so soon. I forgot the date, for some reason.

[Aether]

Damn it. ****** alt ********. ******* cookie *******

Forgot I was logged into my alt. ZZZ.

Damn it I keep making mistakes.

[Aether]

@mod: Just remove Scythe's posts. That was a mistake.

[Aether]

Why would hider not reveal him/herself at this point (assuming AP is lying)? The only way anyone would even believe for one second that AP is not scum, is if another hider claimed... Which they haven't. You know why? Because scum is afraid and will be lynched the moment they claim it! If the so-called "real" hider announces and we lynch him, THEN we will know that AP is truly a dirty rotten little bird... Your move scum.

The hider has two purposes. One is to determine the alignment of XXX, and the other is to protect the hider himself. Clearly, the real hider favoured this approach. I do not know why, but it is probably because he want to stay in the game for as long as possible. Who wants to commit suicide, if you don't have another life? Sometimes, when playing mafia, I have this mentality. Perhaps the hider in this game has it, too. Claiming hider will only get the hider lynched.

[Aether]

The protect himself approach, I mean.

[Aether]

Om, its disappointing that you can't focus more on the game and less on feelings. But, you are conftown so there's that.

I am the hider. I have to assume that AP is scum. Its been rather painful watching his antics the past couple of days, since as I've been saying, he's really a bad hider. Pity the town who really gets him in some other game.


Its unfortunate that it came from Aether or his alt, but he hit the nail on the head, I have been hiding as covertly as possible and hinting as strongly as possible who my conftowns are.

On N1 I hid behind LastSurvivor, feeling confident he was town and I would live. I have constantly since referred to him as in the "lurkpool" when in fact he's not, and have kept saying he is the least suspicious out of that bunch.

On N2, I SHOULD have hidden behind Venmar, because that was my theory and those posts I made about hider theory are actually how I feel about the role. Since we hit scum Day 2, I could have tried to clear a shaky on the fence read. But I wanted to remain alive, although in hindsight that was stupid since if I had died in the night it would have made the case clear against AP.

Nonetheless, I hid behind Om, who I was quite sure the scum would not target. I had the feeling that he was AP's "patsy", pick a townie to conf who would readily go along with the clear. My post 975 is my strongest hint about him being cleared.

Its tough to say if Venmar is another case of picking a townie to buddy with or if he is AP's scum partner. I still think anyone else could be in the team. For example, Aether has reportedly site flaked, yet has carried on with this game, suggesting it has some greater interest for him than others. The weak cases on NU and ND remain, with no real movement between D2 and now, although a little more town behavior shown by Dragon's vote on me.

Ugh, I didn't want to do this yet but...
I'm the real hider.
I targeted fitz's slot the first night and Aether's the second.
In short AP and Ven are obvscum and they need death now.



If you can't tell this post was made to show just how bullshit Aether is being then you're a fucking idiot.

Wow. Not one, not two, but THREE HIDER CLAIMS! Just wow. Two of you are scum. That I know.

Not going to hammer now. Maybe later.

[Aether]

Whether you believe my obviously fake claim, or Declan's claim, or AP's claim...

I AM FUCKING CONFIRMED TOWN REGARDLESS

Even if AP is mafia?