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[Human Destroyer]

And again,

you haven't explained why town can't do that.

You've just gone "lol it's scummy because it looks fake and cheap"

Except WAIT

I HAVE THOUGHT PROCESSES

OH MY GOD WHAT A CONCEPT

[Human Destroyer]

And I already explained why I didn't read it overnight

So still pushing that is absurd

[Human Destroyer]

Because I'm totally not a ridiculously impulsive player that doesn't check everything 50 times before doing something

And when you flip scum

I'll be happy to be right on your defense of serra was, in fact, a towncred grab

P-Edit: Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Are you kidding me?

Are you seriously comparing a

fucking scumslip

to a reason why I wouldn't read overnight?

I mean, seriously, are you even

trying

to look town anymore?

Because if you are, that is probably the most bullshit fucking case in the world and I'd be literally shocked if you flipped town here.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Docteur Gudsight

[Human Destroyer]

1) You haven't proved anything I've actually said is fake, you've just said they're fake
2) SCUMSLIP ALERT: YOU KNOW JENNIFER AND JACOB ARE TOWN, YOU MUST BE SCUM
3) See #1
4) Playstyle

Again, empty case is empty

[Human Destroyer]

I was pushing Jacob for half of D1, where the hell have you been?

[Human Destroyer]

OH LOOK I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON SOMETHING THAN YOU

MUST BE SUPER-FAKE

[Human Destroyer]

Um yeah

The whole idea of your thinking my scumhunting is fake there is

"Do you think it's filler?"
"No."
"But it's filler."
"No it isn't."

Yeah not fake

P-Edit: Wow someone hasn't been reading my posts and/or is defending their scumbuddy. How about you take a look?

[Human Destroyer]

Their case on me is also pretty shitty

They tried to push a meta argument based on a single scum game yesterday >.>

[Human Destroyer]

I think the remaining scum are 2 of Jacob, HD, and Hydra.

VOTE: HD

The fact that you actually agree with els about me is sorrowful

Especially considering els is scum

How about you vote with me instead of against me, yeah?

I'm also reiterating that Jacob probably isn't scum, so go find new suspects

[Human Destroyer]

There doesn't really need to be more reasons.

He's not scum because he was a counterwagon to GM.

How much more could you want?

[Human Destroyer]

A) I'm not claiming until I'm at L-1 with intent to hammer.

B) Interesting that you leave NicCage out of there.

[Human Destroyer]

Now I feel lonely on Nic -scum

Why am I the only one who thinks Nic is scum

[Human Destroyer]

Ew. We're about to find out, but I think you all just made the wrong choice

Oh I missed this

Nic could be town then

I also completely forgot the whole counterwagon situation thinking back at it

[Human Destroyer]

Yes obviously, you should know.

But seriously I kind of forgot that Goodmorning was in the game...

bork I still think this is a town-tell

I'd say Els is scum and then either Jenn/Cheery is scum by PoE; I never really looked at them too hard after Josh Lyman D1 flash-wagon tbqh.

[Human Destroyer]

Jennifer has been a blind spot to me lately -- I initially townread her but she's been a non-presence lately

Yeah this is my big issue; it looks like she decided to build up a lot of towncred when she replaced in D1, then did nothing later in the game to support that.

Funnily enough, she was the one that said he drawing was a towntell...despite putting Jacob in her list of suspects...Thanks for reminding me of that.

Okay I'm leaning towards Jennifer out of Jenn/Cheery now. However, I'm far and away more confident of Hydra-scum so you should join me on that.

[Human Destroyer]

@HD I did NOT say that Jacob's drawing was a towntell. Hydra did, and I called BS on that.

I did a check after reading this, and this is correct.

I apologize.

[Human Destroyer]

Yes obviously, you should know.

But seriously I kind of forgot that Goodmorning was in the game...

bork I still think this is a town-tell

Jennifer, thoughts please.

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Docteur Gudsight

I'm more confident that the hydra is scum with GM than anyone else thus far.

Also what happened to this?

[Human Destroyer]

HD, if els does flip scum, who do you think would be a likely partner? I know you might not like looking for a partner right now, but I think it's important to think about at least a little

Missed this before.

I already said I'm looking at Jennifer/Cheery for buddy.

Your townreading them isn't changing my opinion on who I think Els's buddy is.

[Human Destroyer]

PoE and flying under the radar really. The fact that I don't find any of his posts particularly notable probably means something.

[Human Destroyer]

Apologies.

For now, I can VOTE: Docteur as the wagon I support most at this point.

Well he supported a Hydra lynch

[Human Destroyer]

Heh...wine

I see what you did there

Okay I'll stop spamposting now

[Human Destroyer]

I'm finding it interesting HD has disappeared when I turned the heat up on AA9 (but then so have a few others.)

Honestly, I find it quite boring.

I haven't seen anything in this argument that's alignment indicative of either of you; I still think Arc is town and you I'm still on the fence about.

[Human Destroyer]

I suppose the activity jump is somewhat weird, but I'm not sure that in and of itself would make him scum.

He's probably scum based on PoE though.

[Human Destroyer]

Hm, that's valid.

I'll think about it, I have a doctor's appointment now

[Human Destroyer]

CD, Firstly, Its not my wagon. Too sad that you don't see how i see it but GM has done nothing but randomly calling people scum with no hard evidence, i given myself multiple times a chance to see her as townie but each time she pushed it away and refused every fact that was shown, for me she is been nothing but a scum who is trying hard to frame someone so that she can just survive.

You're the first vote on it, therefore the one you're pushing. Currently I'm seeing no hard evidence from you about why GM is scum either, as such why I am picking on you for explanations.
I also reject previous arguments when it appears you're grabbing random newer posts and shotung "OMG THIS IS SCUMMY SCUM SCUM SCUM!!!", with no reasoning to why is it so scummy.
This response doesn't actually explain why her calling herself a defensive player is scummy.

Cheery, besides Jenn, who could you see yourself voting for atm?

I may vote any of the current wagons except panzer.
GM and Jacob are both leaning slightly scum to me, but I also think you might be a good lynch, you're trying too hard to get people in on wagons now compared to when you were calling all the reasoning WIFOM at the start of the day.

This Arc?

See, this is weird. He's attacking Arc's wagon push on GM for lack of reasoning...but then he says GM is leaning scum. I'd agree with bork that Cheery's holding a chainsaw here.

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cheery

Should be L-1.

[Human Destroyer]

NicCage has been active on site but not here…Based on that and his previous voting history, I think he has to go into my consideration pile.

He townslipped in twilight Day 1, I'll quote it if you want

[Human Destroyer]

Ew. We're about to find out, but I think you all just made the wrong choice

[Human Destroyer]

^Had GM flipped town, this would be a scumtell

But since GM flipped scum, I don't see any reason for scum to say this. At all.

[Human Destroyer]

Yes obviously, you should know.

But seriously I kind of forgot that Goodmorning was in the game...

^Townslip, scum wouldn't forget their partners

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Docteur

[Human Destroyer]

I tried to do the math of worse case scenario and tomorrow is MYLO if we mislynch today.

Huh?

By my calculations, it takes 2 mislynches to get us to LYLO; because of the way the setup works, we should never reach MYLO unless we NL, which is silly.

[Human Destroyer]

@Arc: The mason claim makes Cheery near confirmed town if it remains uncountered. A (smart) mason would've counterclaimed by now.

@KX: Yeah, I know, I was tunneling then, I stopped doing that on Jacob after thinking on it for a while. I also realized it made no sense to distance at that specific time, because that was when most people still had townreads on GM.

@Jacob: Why are you discounting the possibility of Docteur-scum? What have they done to give you a townread on them? Be specific with quotes and such.

@Cheery: Jacob town-slipped, he's not our lynch for today, sorry. You were fine with the Docteur wagon yesterday, why not today?

[Human Destroyer]

No D5 would be LYLO, mislynch means scum get a D5 win

[Human Destroyer]

No

I'm just pointing out how Jen's maths are wrong

Arc you should still vote someone different

Preferably Docteur

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Jacob

This should be a Docteur vote

One of {NicCage, ArcAngel} should join the wagon, and the other should intend to hammer.

I'd actually prefer it if Arc voted before Nic though because I know Arc tends to hammer before a claim

[Human Destroyer]

Oh KX isn't voting either

Add him to that group of "People that should vote Docteur"

Cheery seems intent on Jacob but, again, a switch would be nice

[Human Destroyer]

Ugh, I just want the scumflip already

I need my "Ha, I told you so!" fuel.

[Human Destroyer]

Okay, what

There's no way my reads could have been this far off

[Human Destroyer]

Okay, this game next.

[Human Destroyer]

Jenn, could you redo your votecount coloring today to add Hydra-town?

I want to do some more wagon analysis but too lazy to do the actual votecount coloring myself.

[Human Destroyer]

Thanks! ^_^

[Human Destroyer]

A little something about Human Destroyer:

Though I found him pretty town early on, I think I'm going to have to say scum at this point. This may be pretty bad reasoning, but it really seems to me like he should be playing better then this. On an additional note, check out #149:

The difference is Venrob did something that scum really can't afford to do; misrep their own play. Josh Lyman, on the other hand, has singlehandedly managed to avoid absolutely everything in the entire thread.

In fact, he's ignored my own vote on him, while Venrob has not ignored the votes on him.

If you want to know what it's in response to, check the post. Anyway, the first defense is total OMGUS, and I think that somebody like HD wouldn't be using it as a defense. But moving on, it seems pretty strange to me for HD to be defending him like that, considering it's really his only defense up to that point. Early on, he once again covers for venrob by saying he's probably a nube town, in #75.

What? So I'm scummy for defending someone and for playing badly?

He then talks about how he finds Josh to be scum, since he avoided everything in the thread aside from me. Well, guess what? So did venrob, who did nothing but respond to thing people said to him. That was it. And yet he defend venrob. Not that much alone, but check out #102:

KX, please stop talking about your own playstyle and scumhunt instead, thanks.

This is how he reacts to me doing the same, exact I was a little more active and did a little do one small reads thing iirc.

Different situation; you were commenting on your own playstyle and doing strictly that. It's also because I know you better than the other players and know you do that (too) often. In addition, your reads came after that post, so you can't even use that against me.

Also, Venrob was being responsive, whereas Josh Lyman wasn't.

A couple more things I'd like to add. These have to do more with Goodmorning.

First, in RVS, their vote was on HD. Not saying it makes him scum, and it's something that could go either way, but it is something.

Now, check this out. Their second vote in the game? venrob. Wouldn't it be insane if a scum were to vote both their partners? And keep in mind GM was looking pretty town, so if they both flipped, that'd be great for her, and probably might make them win it all. Also, in GM's scum reads list, they have ven as the scummiest player. It seems like they realised ven wasn't playing top quality, and were planning to buss them for even more town cred. My overall feel on GM as scum, then, would be that they tried to appear town and distance from their partners.

Empty bussing accusations are empty.

So you've called me scum based on pretty much nothing. Congratulations?

[Human Destroyer]

Also, @HD, what are you scum reads now anyway?

Quiet you I'm VC analyzing

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah, when you play 20 games, you try playing in every single one of your games with equal attention

I'm sure you'll have fun trying

[Human Destroyer]

I have nothing to respond to, your case is p bad

I would be willing to lynch Jacob, however, if they go town, get HD.

But this is REALLY bad if Jacob is actually town

This literally sets you up for a 1-2 lynch and win scenario.

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Nic

He's fence-sitting on both major wagons today

That's pretty bad

[Human Destroyer]

My thought process is that I haven't had time to read HD's massive ass ISO again, and that we haven't heard from him today. If HD ignores this game forever I'll probably vote him, but I want to hear what he thinks. Jacob could very well be scum, but he's impossible to read or look into, it would be too easy to lynch him without thinking about it.

As KX said, we only have one mislynch left, so I'd feel a lot better if we were more careful today than yesterday.

You seem jumpy. If the scum team is Jacob and I, what happened to your read on KX?

"Well, I could go for lynching HD, but I want him to post more first. Also, Jacob could be scum, but he could also be town because I'm having trouble reading him."

[Human Destroyer]

You might want to count mine again; I'm in at least 20 games right now, relatively sure you're in less

What? You mean other than the post completely debunking KX's shit case against me? Right...

[Human Destroyer]

What?

Nic's my focus right now, not KX. Why should my reads conform to what you expect of me?

[Human Destroyer]

Oh don't worry, there will be a better case later

And you'll scream reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal good before you die

[Human Destroyer]

I like how all throughout Nic's ISO, he only mentioned GM once as a leaning town read for weak reasoning, and everything else is just filler without actually interacting with GM

He also threw weak jabs at Panzer without anything even resembling a vote to ever back it up, so I think he was looking for towncred by staying off the wagon.

I know I said Nic townslipped in twilight but...I'm not so sure I can put stock in that anymore.

[Human Destroyer]

I know I said Nic townslipped in twilight but...I'm not so sure I can put stock in that anymore.

This is precisely how I feel about the Jacob slip you mentioned.

Particularly if Nic flips scum, I can't put much stock into that either, that's correct.

[Human Destroyer]

Replaced?

I don't wanna be replaced

Let's all have a grand NicCage wagon

It'll be fun!

[Human Destroyer]

Also, HD, sorry if I missed it, but reason for the change of heart about Jacob?

It was the townslip I explained earlier

If Nic's townslip was faked, his can be too.

[Human Destroyer]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... roficiency

[Human Destroyer]

Except I'm not actually as good at this game as you think I am?

Seriously, if you're talking about that one Jungle Republic game we played last week, that was luck.

[Human Destroyer]

Wow.

You left that to AA.

I'm disappointed, town.

NicCage and KX are the last 2 scum probs, so

[Human Destroyer]

Er, sorry, Jacob, not KX

[Human Destroyer]

I'm flipping town, relax.

[Human Destroyer]

That's the second time ever I've gotten mislynched.

This is saddening