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In post 11, Cheery Dog wrote:(you're lucky syryana, even if I did just type out your name anyway)
You can always vote me later, if you're so moved-
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In post 24, MeowMix wrote:why's that syr?
Because you've not made a single reference to my RVS joke on you. If you were town, you'd have laughed about it like we did in that newbie game, since half that game was me yelling at you for that joke.
Since you ignored it, that means you don't like the attention, ergo you're scum.-
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In post 27, Superdeclan wrote:If you yelled at him for the joke all game then he might not want the same to happen this game so is adjusting his playstyle.
@MiaowMix, is what I said true or do you have any other reason to explain that vote?
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By the end of the game we were laughing about it; MM even claimed cop in jest when the cop was dead. The fact he's not laughing about it now means he's newbscum worried about the attention. If he was town he'd have quoted it and laughed.-
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In post 37, Cheery Dog wrote:In post 26, Syryana wrote:In post 24, MeowMix wrote:why's that syr?
Because you've not made a single reference to my RVS joke on you. If you were town, you'd have laughed about it like we did in that newbie game, since half that game was me yelling at you for that joke.
Since you ignored it, that means you don't like the attention, ergo you're scum.
There's an actual reason?
I read it and assumed continuing rvs.
I don't like it though, past games should not effect present/future games, but maybe it'd just that I'm outside the in-joke and therefore jealous.
I don't believe ignoring it is a scumtell
The original joke was RVS. The fact that MM had a chance to respond and ignored it instead of giving at least a "lol Syr" got my hackles up, so I tested the theory by saying my vote is no longer a joke, but serious. His response in #30 is totally bogus.
The joke itself regards MM making a joke at the start of the Newbie game that said "my role PM says X is scum". By the end of the game he'd actually roleclaimed cop after the cop was dead just to make fun of his original joke. That's what my initial RVS vote was referencing.
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In post 62, DCLXVI wrote:I think we should create a cat voting block. DEATH TO THE DOGS.
In all seriousness, I take back what I said in post 15. I'm not seeing meow as scum for that joke post.
for his terrible vote on fferylt right after I had pulled up fferylt's meta.
vote:havingfitz
.... is this for real? You're voting fitz because of an RVS vote?
If this is serious, what the hell. If it's not, why are you still in RVS-mode?-
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In post 80, fferyllt wrote:In post 79, Syryana wrote:666 is DCLXVI. And yes, the reasons are terrible, especially considering MM's more recent statements. Perhaps they're partners?
Bear with me if I am stating the obvious. I need to unpack your post.
666 jumping on havingfitz for his RVS vote is terrible because MM's explanations for not reacting to your vote look much more suspicious?
No, 666's vote is terrible because he's basing it off an RVS vibe. He's got much better targets around, such as MM for scummy responses or some of the folks on MM's wagon (which other people have pointed out but I can't be arsed to quote). I didn't get a scummy vibe off fitz's RVS and I don't see how 666 did. The partners comment came from 666's lack of justification for thinking MM town and subsequent vote on fitz for reasons that I believe to be very shaky.-
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In post 86, unseencamo wrote:I agree with Sry on the DC situation.
Why?
In post 88, fferyllt wrote:Liking Syryana for town.
Why?
In post 89, unseencamo wrote:I need to establish a read on GM. I just don't even know at this point. That being said:
Scum Reads (----> = decreasing scum read): MM, DC
I feel like you're trying to hit us over the head with your scumreads. Anyone else agree?
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This Otolia dude is so oily he gleams when the sun hits him just right. Or at all.
Otolia wrote:Not that I am against utilizing one's meta to draw conclusion, you actually have to be careful with that. Basing your conclusions on what could be interpreted as a joke is light and usually far-fetched. I was once in the same kind of situation and barely managed to escape Day 1 lynch before I went on winning the game in LyLo. This statement is just an example of what can happen, not what will. So far, you case on Meowmix is very light, hair-pulled and not backed by actual scumhunting. I'd like to see you pressure the former on a different subject.
Of course it was light at that point. Not responding to a joke is not a scumtell. However, it did prompt my further test of him by pulling out the "ehrmagerd WTF YOU NO TALK TO ME UR SCUM" move in #26. Hisresponseto 26 is what made me certain he's scum. You seem to be subtly undermining my case against MM by leaving out key aspects.
Otolia wrote:I consider your point moot. In an attempt to deflect the flak you received, you state that you were trying not to attract attention. This part is good, any townie has no reason to attract attention, he doesn't fear it like a scum but he doesn't want it either because focusing on him is a waste of time (as he is town). However you add the last part, unsubtly mentioning that you were expecting a reaction. There is no reason for you to do that, especially during RVS and so soon into the first day. Furthermore dismissing the response you had without analyzing anything is contradictory with your previous statement.
This whole paragraph is fluff. Also, why would MM analyze his own responses?
Otolia wrote:I got a massive scumvibe from that post. Despite our shared same opinion, I feel your post is way too light and all too convenient. So this is a reminder that I'll question you about that further down the road. Perhaps as soon as we are done with Meowmix.
Oh, so now you like the MM case? Totally not the vibe I got from paragraph 1. I haven't decided whether the fitz post makes him scummy. On the one hand, it looks like a convenient bandwagon jump, but on the other it's approximately the same thought I had when I first read MM's "trolling for reactions" response.
Furthermore, Otolia's refusal to vote before a VC is ridiculous. MM is at L-3; there haven't been any votes since the last VC. It's not leading to a quick hammer. I think it's more of a "I'll look more town if I don't bus my buddy immediately and simulate caution in voting."
I am henceforth referring to Otolia as Manfred von Karma.
There is one thing I agree with Mr. von Karma about, though.
auspicious wrote:In post 85, fferyllt wrote:@auspiciious Why do you say MM will be a tough read later?
Though I'm one to talk at this point, I feel like noobtown is a liability in LYLO/MYLO. Sorry if I didn't phrase that well before.
However, that being said, yeah, I'd much rather lynch scum today.
In post 97, MeowMix wrote:what's interesting about it? I see it as a bit non-committal, but at the same time I'm not exactly easy to read either, so it's a fair reaction to have
I'm more curious about 81. austriloious, what do you see in fitz's 3 posts that pop out as scummy to you?
*auspicious ;P
The first post is just RVS; even if he is scum, there's nothing there that points to it/points against it there. His vote on you is what worries me most. He jumped on your wagon when it was starting to take off, and didn't give as much... background? I suppose? Like, comments about it. Questions, concerns, etc. about your behavior - he just voted and said you were full of "bs". I'm still not sure on my read on you, but I shouldn't be reading into teams yet anyway; there is a serial killer.
I also hate to admit it in these games as it's no help to anyone and makes me look like a complete fool, but part of my read on havingfitz is actually intuition/gut.
This is the most self-deprecating post I've seen in quite some time. This posts boils down to "I'm not sure, I'm not that good, I'm not sure, my reads are purely based on gut." Seems like a pretty easy way to slide by without having to justify your reads. You, sir, now have my attention.
The scumteam is MeowMix and Manfred. Auspicious is the serial killer. Manfred and Auspicious are interchangeable, but I prefer Aus as the SK simply due to his "I'd rather lynch scum today" and pointing out that there is a serial killer in the game.
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In post 114, havingfitz wrote:Syryana...I like all the wifom your "My role PM says MeowMix is scum" injected. What do you think of DCL and auspicious' reactions to it?
I think I dealt with Auspicious in my prior post.
666 is a great alternative in the event I'm wrong about Manfred. Here's why:
In post 62, DCLXVI wrote:I think we should create a cat voting block. DEATH TO THE DOGS.
In all seriousness, I take back what I said in post 15. I'm not seeing meow as scum for that joke post.
for his terrible vote on fferylt right after I had pulled up fferylt's meta.
vote:havingfitz
There are two major problems with this post. First and most obvious is his "serious" vote on fitz. A serious vote from an RVS vote? Really? There wasn't anything scummy about fitz's RVS post that I could see. The reasoning 666 used to vote fitz could easily be applied to any person in RVS. No me gusta.
The second problem lies here:
In post 62, DCLXVI wrote:In all seriousness, I take back what I said in post 15. I'm not seeing meow as scum for that joke post.
Let's put his post #15 right next to it:
Um, he doesn't say anything about MeowMix here. He states he doesn't like my post. I don't see anywhere that he actually calls MM scum for my post. I don't see how negating what he believed in #15 in any way changes what he thinks about MeowMix. Either he misrepped himself in #15 and thought Meow was scum from my joke (which is bad) or he forgot what he was actually talking about in #15 and still wanted to say Meow isn't scum (which is also bad).
In short, I think 666 is scummy too.
Pedit:Many thanks, O mighty mod-
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In post 127, fferyllt wrote:In post 122, Syryana wrote:Oops. I read the bottom of your post and confused it with Manfred's response.
There are 3 posts between mine and his.
Yeah. I mistakenly read the bottom of your post as his, since I was scrolling around looking for the Auspicious quote that I remembered Manfred talking about. I think I scrolled right past his and landed on yours, since yours had the quote in the open and his was a spoiler.-
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In post 130, Otolia wrote:Don't flatter yourself. Your whole case is based on the response to a joke. It's a ridiculous one. I'm not undermining anything, I'm merely putting it into perspective.
Funny how you're voting the target of my "ridiculous case". I don't particularly care for your attempts to oversimplify my case and use your oversimplification as a justification of calling it ridiculous.
Superdeclan wrote:meh, I understand for wall but for one quote!
3 can easilty be done and if you make it harder to read a message more people will think it's a wall and just skip it
It's his posting style. Leave him alone.
In other news, it interests me that Declan bandwagon jumped onto Auspicious.-
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In post 136, Otolia wrote:@Syryana: If you consider that I am misrepresenting the case you made, I would like you to concisely and precisely describe it for me. As for my reason to vote, I beg to differ. I voted him for the way Meowmix dismissed your attacks by pretending he did it to test people.
I consider my case to include MeowMix's responses to my "he ignored my joke" theory. You are representing my case to include only my initial joke and subsequent serious vote (which admittedly is by itself weak) without including my beliefs w.r.t. MeowMix's responses to my initial case. I feel that my case against Meow has evolved over the course of this game thus far and you represent the case as if it stopped after my initial "vote is now serious, he's scum".-
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In post 143, goodmorning wrote:Syr's 115 gives me the opposite of sketchy vibes. Well-reasoned, not panicky, good stuff.
I'm curious as to why you point out my #115 wasn't panicky. Why would it be panicky?
auspicious wrote:I'm not quite sure what you don't like about it. My opinion on MM, as I stated, is that I don't have a concrete read on him, but would be willing to lynch him if nothing better comes up. If I wanted to go with the flow, I would have voted for MM. The BW on him was already going strong, and the people on it weren't being questioned too much. If anything, I daresay the fact that I'm still on the fence about someone who would be an "easy lynch" (for scum trying to drive a lynch onto town) is a towntell.
The mere fact that you pointed out it's a towntell proves you know enough to commit said towntell as scum.
auspicious wrote:In post 115, Syryana wrote:
This is the most self-deprecating post I've seen in quite some time. This posts boils down to "I'm not sure, I'm not that good, I'm not sure, my reads are purely based on gut." Seems like a pretty easy way to slide by without having to justify your reads. You, sir, now have my attention.
I'm not sure what's so self-deprecating about it. I realize that I'm new to MS and am still learning the meta of it/peoples opinions on several things (one of those being gut), so that shows in my posts.
Another thing: I'm rarely able to justify my reads; especially as town. This comes from playing a lot of EM, where justification takes thought, and there isn't much time to give thought to a game.
This sounds rather a lot like another excuse to not justify your reads.
auspicious wrote:
The scumteam is MeowMix and Manfred. Auspicious is the serial killer. Manfred and Auspicious are interchangeable, but I prefer Aus as the SK simply due to his "I'd rather lynch scum today" and pointing out that there is a serial killer in the game.
I'm not sure how you get "auspicious is the serial killer" from my pointing out that we can't get real team reads yet.
POE. At the time my scumreads were you, MeowMix and Otolia. MeowMix and Otolia made more sense as a scumteam in my head than one of them and you, so you got to be the SK.
auspicious wrote:
In post 81, auspicious wrote:I actually read DCLXVI's vote as town, and I'm thinking roughly the same thing as he is in regards to who's scum (havingfitz). I don't necessarily see it for the same reasons he does, but I think he's town all the same.
so you just think 666 is town because he voted the same person as you?
You're putting words in my mouth. I think the fact that he dares to put out a vote at this time for a legitimate reason makes him town. It helps that he's voting the same person as I was going to, but it doesn't make much of a difference.
What are these legitimate reasons?-
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In post 146, goodmorning wrote:I didn't say it would be. "Not panicky" was intended to be a semi-hyperbolic example indicating just how devoid of any scummy behaviors/motivations your post was.
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In post 162, Superdeclan wrote:change your Avi to something that isn't the same as OT's RVS should only stay if the person you find is still scummy
I laughed my ass off when I saw his new avatar.-
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In post 166, goodmorning wrote:Ok, MM is Town. He's been responding well and honestly this avatar thing strikes me as too damned sassy/playful to be coming from Scum.
Dunno if I'd go so far as to call him town, but damn if he doesn't deserve to live today after making tears roll down my face.
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In post 169, Malakittens wrote:If him changing his Avi to match someone else's is a decent to unvote then I don't believe any of your votes were serious. That is such a terribad reason to unvote someone you felt was scum for so long.
You should probably go read #115. I think it's MM, Aus, Otol-something, with 666 as backup. I frankly don't give a damn which of these get lynched (well, preference on first three, pointing out the obvious) so if MM genuinely amuses me, I see no reason not to go after one of the other two and kill him later.-
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In post 171, Otolia wrote:So after you so adamantly defended you case on Meowmix yesterday (#137) saying it wasn't just based on a joke you drop it like that ? And this despite the fact that you believe Meowmix and I are the scumteam (3rd Paragraph of #145).
Already explained this. You're all scum, so it really doesn't matter which of you dies today. May as well keep the funny one around.
In post 171, Otolia wrote:Puzzling and from my point of view not aligned with the town.
Lynching scum isn't aligned with town? K.
In post 171, Otolia wrote:Even if we put as the ludicrous reason behind your unvote aside, why choose auspicious over me ? Do you think he would be a more consensual lynch today ?
I picked Auspicious because I could remember how to spell his name without having to scroll to your last post.-
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I absolutely love Otalooloo's last post. It pretty much confirms he's scum. I'll take this in turn.
In post 173, Otolia wrote:In post 172, Syryana wrote:In post 171, Otolia wrote:Puzzling and from my point of view not aligned with the town.
Lynching scum isn't aligned with town? K.
Except you actually believe auspicious is not scum but SK. You are so confident of your reads that you mentioned this precise fact numerous times (last paragraph of #115, 4th of #145) with little to no backing real scumhunting whatsoever. But now he isjustscum ? Are you actually confused as to who is who ? Or do you simply not care ?
This part is great. He's taking me to task for voting auspicious, not because auspicious isn't scummy, but because I called him the SK earlier. It's completely irrelevant what anti-town role auspicious is; it only matters that I think he's not a townie. Besides, as fery pointed out, my reasoning on auspicious being the SK sucked anyways. As scum of whatever flavor, he's still gonna have to die before town wins. You're deliberately missing the point: there are three people I think are not town (i.e. scum). It's completely irrelevant what particular scum role each of those individuals holds.
In post 173, Otolia wrote:Your play overall is messy, all over the place and very confusing for the town. Unilaterally decreeing someone is scum doesn't make it town. You are classifying me as such on the basis that I choose to vote after a votecount (#115)- while I was saying that my vote was virtually on Meowmix. Considering that I voted on Meowmix as announced afterwards and remained focused, your case on me is void.
Attack on my play, check. Broad, vacuous reasoning, check. Gross oversimplification of my read on him, check. Silly justification by way of gross oversimplification, check.
First off, the way I play is my damned business. Second of all, just because you have no idea what I'm doing doesn't mean my actions are anti-town, since you're not the center of theuniversetown. Third, no kidding me saying things doesn't make them true; if it did, these games would be a lot shorter and a lot more boring. Fourth, my read on you has very little to do with your vote after votecount idiosyncrasy. Fifth, you tunneling Meow is a ludicrous reason to negate a scumread.
As I go back and look at my ISO I realized I've never explicitly explained my read on this guy, so I shall do so here. In bullets.
- Almost zero scumhunting. Ironic, since you have accused me of this yourself.
- Your play up to this point has been almost exclusively PBPA, with one or two questions peppered throughout.
- Majority of your posts and reasoning against people involves silly little details (e.g. I'm calling the guy I think is the serial killer "scum") rather than real logic (or gut, or whatever other people do to justify their reads), leading me to the supposition that you're having trouble faking town-logic.
- After I pointed out your blatant misrep of my MM case, you decided not to respond.
- Every time I read your posts, I feel like I'm reading something Mitt Romneysome greasy politician wrote. I don't like politicians, nor do I like the tone of your posts. (Blatant OMGUS reasoning go)
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In post 177, Otolia wrote:Come at me kid !
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In post 179, unseencamo wrote:This has been an interesting little exchange. Without a doubt Sry is the better scum hunter here. Oto's case is pretty meh. However, this could easily be a town vs. town situation. time will tell.
That being said MM has literally made no real attempt to scumhunt. He has kept his original RVS this whole time. What the hell. This guy is clearly the scummiest and the most logical choice.
Why you gotta go and say scummy things like this, USC? I was perfectly content to sheep myself on my list of reads. Now you're going to make me go back and ISO you.-
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In post 182, Malakittens wrote:If you think Ot is scum, Syr, why are you voting Aus rather than him?
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Gut feeling. His bandwagon jumpery was pretty blatant. Makes him worth keeping an eye on.-
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In post 196, havingfitz wrote:In post 195, Syryana wrote:
Gut feeling. His bandwagon jumpery was pretty blatant. Makes him worth keeping an eye on.
Could you elaborate on this seeing as how he's been on the same two wagons as you?
It's not the wagons he's jumping to, it's the way he's jumping. He's justifying why he thinks the person he's jumping onto is scummy but not why that person is scummier than the person he just left. I don't know a better way to explain it.
In progress, decoding 666's latest wall.
DCLXVI wrote:
The reason I don't like this vote by fitz is that the no RVS issue with fferylt had already been resolved. His meta clearly showed that he was playing as he normally did, it was a bad vote and a poor attempt to join a bandwagon.
What does this have anything to do with fery not voting? Fitz wasn't voting fery because she doesn't RVS. He was saying he begrudgingly does RVS, hence vote. Interpretation fail.
DCLXVI wrote:In post 26, Syryana wrote:Because you've not made a single reference to my RVS joke on you. If you were town, you'd have laughed about it like we did in that newbie game, since half that game was me yelling at you for that joke.
Since you ignored it, that means you don't like the attention, ergo you're scum.
This is just stupid, not scummy stupid, or town stupid, just stupid.
Thanks for the brilliant analysis. Perhaps you ought to analyze the repercussions of this statement in terms of MM's responses.
DCLXVI wrote:Not liking USC's posts 44-46, his push on meomix does not seem genuine.
Why do you think they're not genuine?
DCLXVI wrote:missrepping in order to join a wagon. I think that's strike two now against fitz.
Strike one. Your first point was invalid.
DCLXVI wrote:When I use the phrase "in all seriousness" that means I'm not in RVS mode.
As I explained early in this post. Fitz's RVS post was bad considering the context of it with me having already posted confirming fferylt meta. Yes, it is possible for someone to make a scumm RVS vote. We get out of RVS by finding scummy RVS posts by other players.
Yes, except fitz's post wasn't scummy. Again, interpretation fail. Not to mention we were already out of RVS by the time of this ridiculous post thanks to the MM discussion.
DCLXVI wrote:In post 83, Syryana wrote:No, 666's vote is terrible because he's basing it off an RVS vibe. He's got much better targets around, such as MM for scummy responses or some of the folks on MM's wagon (which other people have pointed out but I can't be arsed to quote). I didn't get a scummy vibe off fitz's RVS and I don't see how 666 did. The partners comment came from 666's lack of justification for thinking MM town and subsequent vote on fitz for reasons that I believe to be very shaky.
Its perfectly ok to make a page two vote off of an RVS vibe (actually, now that I think about it, all the votes on MM are for things that started in RVS, wait, you can vote for RVS stuff but I can't HYPOCRISY)
Way to misrep what I said. Sure, if you take the first sentence of the paragraph and chop off the rest of it that's what I said, but my point was your reason sucked and you were ignoring everything that had gone on since your last post on the first page.
DCLXVI wrote:Well, my vote was random random, it was for the reason of you not doing RVS. And once my reason was shown to be invalid, I decided to place my vote somewhere else.
So your vote was random, but it had a reason. So....... it wasn't random.-
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In post 208, fferyllt wrote:I'm also thinking that DCLXVI doesn't really get RVS and it seems like a lot of questionable logic has fallen like dominoes from that initial lack of grok. Question is, how real is that? It seems real to me.
Questions...
Grok?
What's real?
I agree with the questionable logic part. See my post taking apart the monster under the spoiler.-
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In post 285, Malakittens wrote:I'm glad I'm boring, but you're boring too.
What is my back and forth between DC called? Somewhat boring?
Slightly less boring. It's funny watching DCL be cagey with his reasoning after I tore him to shreds in that other post somewhere.-
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Sure. Whatcha got in mind?-
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In post 320, fferyllt wrote:Mostly I want to talk through my nulls and see if I can firm some of them up. But maybe it would be good to baseline with some players I have tentative reads for.
Well, I gotta go afk for about 30, so make me a nice big wall and I'll rip it up and discuss when I get back. Sound good?-
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Wall! I'll break it apart and give specific reasoning in a bit, but here's me thoughts in general.
I'd swap fitz and Mala.
Otolia I'd put in the Unsure in general category. I was until recently convinced he's scum, but I really like his more recent posts, so he gets upgraded to null.
I really need to go investigate CD, Declan. I've been tunneling on Aus/MM/Otolia.
USC's playing much differently this game than another ongoing. He's null leaning town.
Agree with your scumreads minus GM. Don't know what to think of GM right now, more investigation required.-
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In post 331, unseencamo wrote:DC just posted in Open 483 - Switch (Day 3), he is totally lurking. This in combination with my existing problems with him solidify my vote.
VOTE: DCLXVI
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In post 343, DCLXVI wrote:@Syryrana would him being replaced make you not want to lynch him?
Depends on how well his successor convinces me the slot isn't scum.-
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In post 360, fferyllt wrote:This game is sapping my will to live.-
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In post 366, Cheery Dog wrote:In post 357, Syryana wrote:Oh look, Auspicious came back. That's nice. Can we kill him now?
Do you have stronger reasons than the ones I questioned you on yesterday?
I don't recall you questioning me yesterday. The thread doesn't remember either.
However, here's the case on auspicious, brought to you by Channel Syr:
First relevant post at #66: Waffles on Meow wagon (saying MM is absolutely wretched but doesn't vote MM), doesn't like 2 of the 4 people on said wagon, doesn't vote any of them. Clearly cautious. Declaration of newbishness. Never liked those, it's been damn near a universal scumtell IME.
Post #81: Agrees with DCL's awful case on havingfitz (which is a point against him in and of itself), havingfitz is now scummy in his eyes for the MM wagon AND DCL's vote, yet STILL doesn't vote havingfitz. Cautious scum is cautious.
Post #103: Declares himself noobtown again (also calls MM noobtown). States he "would rather lynch scum today", reeks of scum trying to blend in. Gives brief gut reason on why fitz is scummy to him (still doesn't vote him), but gives the odd expression "I shouldn't be reading teams yet; there's an SK". The existence of an SK is irrelevant to finding the mafia team as we have to find them all anyways. (This statement was one of the things that got me thinking aus might be the SK)
Post #144: This post shivers me timbers. He waffles on Meow some more, but here's a snippet that really got my attention:
In post 144, auspicious wrote:
The BW on him was already going strong, and the people on it weren't being questioned too much. If anything, I daresay the fact that I'm still on the fence about someone who would be an "easy lynch" (for scum trying to drive a lynch onto town) is a towntell.
Hold the presses, he just gave himself a towntell. "I'm not voting MM, clearly I'm town". If that doesn't set off alarm bells in your head I don't know what will.
Here's more alarming stuff:
In post 144, auspicious wrote:
So VOTE: auspicious
Hemming and hawing around suspecting me, not willing to commit to a vote (on me or anyone else ftm), and his post 84. His reasons for rationalizing his tacit support to a MM lynch are just one big cop out.
I almost hate to admit it, but this is actually making you look more town to me. Lmfao. I feel like you'd take a more pacifistic route if you were scum.
Taking a more pacifistic route as scum, eh? Sounds like someone we know. Who hasn't voted, been waffling on reads, declared himself a noob multiple times, and given himself a towntell because he's being passive and not bandwagon jumping? You guessed it folks,fferyltauspicious.
Also says "I'm rarely able to justify my reads thanks to being a mostly EM player." First, that's a free excuse to not have to justify his reads, making it easier for him to manufacture logic that makes him look town. Second, I've played with several EM players on this site (hey fery) and they don't have a problem with justifying reads. So I'm calling BS.
EHRMAGERD WTF BBQ he voted!!! (We're still in #144 btw) and the winner is... Superdeclan? Uhh... Didn't we just get done seeing how much he dislikes fitz? And how of the 4 peeps on MM's wagon, he least likes fitz and USC? *scratches head* Not only that, but after all this time of being cautious with his vote he votes someone out of OMGUS? Wot? Glaring inconsistency is glaring. By the end of the post he's grumpy because he's been caught for terrible reasons by Declan. Poor guy.
Thank god, we're finally done with #144. Onward!
His next post, #231, is mostly irrelevant, dealing as it does with aus complaining that people are misreading him due to his playstyle (and a bit of AtE thrown in for good measure). However, there is a juicy bit at the end:
In post 231, auspicious wrote:I don't have many concrete reads (the only ones Idohave being Syr town, hf leaning town now, and Super scum).
Okay, so some concrete reads, I'm town, that's good, havingfitz is town, wait...
That statement clearly contradicts the evidence, your Honor! Like, seriously, what the hell. He's been a scumread all game, and now he's town?!?! Did he like, forget his biggest scumread for half the game? So, he reads me as town (lol), changes his top scumread to a townread, and one of his townreads to a scumread cause OMGUS. Yeah, this dude ain't town.
Moving on to his final relevant post, #348 (#358 doesn't count). First half is "I've been busy" and "QQ", then we get to reads. Quoted:
In post 348, auspicious wrote:DCLXVI: Town for reasons I've already explained. Is thinking things through logically.
havingfitz: I feel like the OMGUS was a town response, could be wrong though.
Otolia: Probable scum. While his walls give off the appearance of hard townie work, a lot of time they're devoid of content/seem forced.
Superdeclan: Like I said before, scum. Intentionally twists my words to antagonize me.
I deleted a couple of the irrelevant reads, you can go back to his post I've so kindly linked if you really care. His reason DCL is town is laughable. I'm pretty sure I'd torn DCL's case to shreds by this point, so Aus continuing to claim DCL has good logic and motivation is garbage. Probably trying to protect his scumpartner. Fitz is now town to aus because of... and OMGUS post? Really? All those reasons you thought he was scum before, now he's town thanks to an OMGUS post? Trolololol. His Otolia read I'm pretty sure was copied from someone somewhere, but I can't be arsed to find it right now. Declan = moar OMGUS.
So yeah. He flipflops on his reads, blatantly contradicts himself, tries to excuse his inexcusable play by blaming it on his playstyle and/or his origins in Mafia, starts out as cautious then devolves to OMGUS and nonsense, calls himself a noob a lot and gives himself towntells. So let's kill this dude. Case closed.
P.S.: DCL, in the amount of time you've been asking for this case, you should have been able to go back and find it/figure it out for yourself.-
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Eh, I don't really see anything from fitz that would make me move him into the scum pile. If anything, I have him leaning town.
Svenskt on the other hand hasn't done much to make me change my mind on his slot either.
I would support a lynch on DCL, Otalooloo, or Svenkst at this point in time. Not necessarily in that order.-
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You replaced into the MM slot. I've had a scumread on that slot since the whole MM joke thing early D1 and you haven't done anything towny enough to make me change my mind. Delving into WIFOMy NK analysis to prove yourself town is not helping.In post 492, Svenskt Stål wrote:
I am not going to take this seriously for now. If you are serious then bring a case that I can respond to.In post 490, Syryana wrote:Eh, I don't really see anything from fitz that would make me move him into the scum pile. If anything, I have him leaning town.
Svenskt on the other hand hasn't done much to make me change my mind on his slot either.
I would support a lynch on DCL, Otalooloo, or Svenkst at this point in time. Not necessarily in that order.
Here is a hint, my biggest suspect + a guy i questioned about his stalling of hammering are dead... one is a night kill, I´d never in a million years make either of those kills.
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