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Post Post #30 (isolation #0) » Fri May 24, 2013 7:41 am

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In post 6, Malakittens wrote:VOTE: Guille
I love you too Mala.
In post 20, uctriton00 wrote:and guile I think you were in the terribad Kingmaker setup
Yeah, I remember forcing you to kill yourself. We had so much fun. Pity we lost. Are you town in this game?
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In post 18, BoroPhil wrote:Morning.

Mala's the only person I know here.

VOTE: Dry-Fit

bandwagoning
jumping on the wagon at 3 looks worse than at 2? though at 4 looks even sillier.

This happened to me in that last game and I went into a bit of a meltdown.
I like Boro's reasoning.
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Post Post #31 (isolation #1) » Fri May 24, 2013 7:41 am

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So, Mala, Talk to me, What do you think of Dream's Math up there?
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Post Post #46 (isolation #2) » Fri May 24, 2013 5:12 pm

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In post 39, Dry-fit wrote:Actually, time for a serious vote.
Unvote. Vote: guille2015.

I think it would make sense for guille to want me dead in this game, and putting early pressure on me can lead to that happening, if I handle it badly. The reason guille would want me dead is that he knows that not only am I experienced in this setup, but that I believe scum should always try to hit members of the opposing scumteam with the nightkill. This means that guille would consider me a major threat if I end up being on the opposite scumteam.
The same could be said about you. So I am guessing that if you are scum, you'd be targeting me at night. Well, not anymore since you outed this ploy. The question here is whether your actual scum or not. Curiously, I am actually liking this line of thinking. Makes me think that you are not thinking with your scum mentality. hmmm. You won as scum last game, so, I'm going to have to go back and read that game (skim really). Mala will probably know that game better. I'll come back to this later.
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Post Post #74 (isolation #3) » Sun May 26, 2013 5:00 am

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Vote Kamikaze
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Post Post #75 (isolation #4) » Sun May 26, 2013 5:14 am

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After reading through my previous two games with Dry-Fit. I don't think he is the right lynch today. I'll know more the more he posts.

Kamikaze
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I definitely do not like commando's concern for for L-1. I think we caught scum here. I would like the above resolved before a lynch happens.
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Post Post #76 (isolation #5) » Sun May 26, 2013 5:20 am

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In post 62, BROseidon wrote:What do you guys think of hawk? Do his concerns look more or less forced than commando's?
Define "forced". I am noticing same concerned for L-1 that Commando presented. I little more subtle, but Commando is more suspicious to me because he started talking about claims, as Cheery Dog pointed out.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #6) » Mon May 27, 2013 5:33 am

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In post 79, Malakittens wrote:Interesting Guille. I love you love me, but really voting Kami 'cause he voted me <3

I'm not really seeing a different between town-Dry and scum-Dry other then I didn't have to face the latter in LyLo the second time around.
As much love as there is, I am not voting Kamikaze solely for that. I want him to respond to why he voted Mala so that I can get a read on him. The sooner the better.
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Post Post #91 (isolation #7) » Mon May 27, 2013 5:40 am

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In post 78, Dry-fit wrote:
guille2015 wrote:I definitely do not like commando's concern for for L-1. I think we caught scum here. I would like the above resolved before a lynch happens.
And yet your vote is on kamikaze. Do you think there's a danger of a quickwagon?
No danger of a quick hammer at this point. But regardless, I think this game is slightly more susceptible to quick lynches.

Anyways, I have made my mind on my opinion of commando. I want more information from Kami who since his entry after a prod was with a quick vote on Mala (The second highest wagon). Even if he did not bold.
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Post Post #95 (isolation #8) » Tue May 28, 2013 7:57 am

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In post 94, Malakittens wrote:Ah so prodding is every 48 hours :p

So Mort . All you're going to do is throw a vote on someone and leave.. No comments or anything.

VOTE: Mort
Now, do you understand my Vote?
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Post Post #115 (isolation #9) » Wed May 29, 2013 4:54 am

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Got it. Best strategy for scum is to do really stupid things since everyone will think that it's to stupid for scum. :facepalm:
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Post Post #155 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:08 am

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I'll post later. I have some stuff to do at the moment.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #11) » Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:52 am

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After reading through the dryfit games I have played with this mechanic. His town game had a lot more strategic conversation and conclusions based on "What would scum do?" arguments. This is why I am leaning on him being town. The votes on him are based on a good approach to reason.

Going through the votes in that wagon, I did not like Morton's Vote and Comando's Vote.

Scum lie in Morton, Comando, MVM and .... haven't figured out the last one yet.

Maybe Uctriton. Well, it's gut really, so I'm going to have to keep an eye on him. It's mostly because he is thinking 2 scums. He also gives town on players who might actually be scum hunting as scum.

MVM came in bad. I'm going to have to see more from him. His post 139 left me with a bad feel in my mouth. That reason for his vote there is not coming down well with me.


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This is the best vote we have now.
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Post Post #213 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:30 am

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Damn, Dryfit, ruining my scum read on Comando. He is right though.

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Post Post #214 (isolation #13) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:42 am

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I'm going to have to ISO Cheery.

Also, stop voting Dry-fit. He is town.

Case on Dragonfly looks good.

Mort Needs Prodding.


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Post Post #216 (isolation #14) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:55 am

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Bro is wrong about the Opportunism. I don't think Mala is an easy lynch. But I do notice that you are not on any of the mayor wagons, 2 days from deadline. This I find odd. I also think that Dreams is town and good at it. Adding to what Dream said, fearing to place someone in L-1 is one of my pet peeves.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #15) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:24 am

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Because in his play I don't see scum intent. Also, he is tackling the scum strategy in this game and viewing this game from a perspective of how will scum play against a rivaling other scum. Something that I recognize from his past game with me as town.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #16) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:45 am

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My vote will go to either MvM or Dragonfly. I'm going to ISO them in the following hours to see who deserves it most.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #17) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:51 am

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In post 221, Cheery Dog wrote:So did you miss Commando's post orginally or something?
The post that was referenced by Dryfit came during a point in which I haven't checked the game. When Dryfit mentioned it, I realized he was right. That post has town intent on it. Dreams is right about getting PoE on him just in case.
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Post Post #292 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:23 pm

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In post 278, BROseidon wrote:Cheery actually interacts with Boro is in iso, Guille doesn't. I think Guille is our best bet for a Boro scumbuddy.
I didn't have anything to say about Boro. I didn't think he was scummy enough to get my attention, actually, I didn't even think he was scum or anything.

Anyways, I'm gonna go sleep. I can't concentrate at this point. I'll post more tomorrow. I've been rethinking my reads.
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Post Post #320 (isolation #19) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:12 am

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yeah, I'm Here. Sorry for the delay. Let me get some reading down.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #20) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:31 am

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I'm 50% in agreement with Bro. Good link there, since I don't see scum intent. He is wrong about me, but whatever.

I see Bro, Mala, and Grandeur as Town. I'm not wrong on those. Probable Comando is town and UTC is ... not lynch material.

That leaves Cheery, MVM, and Jily So, two of those are town. 2 of those are scum. No association. There is nothing on Jily except for scarce Mort post.

Cheery is Ice and MvM is Fire. Likely.

Case on cheery: I'm going to extend on what Bro said.
In post 66, Cheery Dog wrote:
In post 62, BROseidon wrote:What do you guys think of hawk? Do his concerns look more or less forced than commando's?
About the same, but then I'm not actually serious with my commando vote
Your commando vote was good. I find it that new players playing scum tend to be careful with their votes and are cautious with getting seen as scummy. Your original vote adds sufficient pressure to get commando speaking and slipping if really scum. Why back down like this?

Post says that Dry is Prob town, but doesn't elaborate as to why he thinks that. Going against the common grain and taking a stance far from their buddy if Ice.

posts , , , and and every question he directs at Boro have no followup.

Post : So it's not a definite one is town then, I'll be watching that you're not just hunting one team though. This is actually a good strategy to find scum. Pro points for this, but this can easily come from Scum mentality. Scum would want to distinguish town from scum as quickly as possible and plan accordingly.

Post 221: "Now I'm had a weird thought that guille and dryfit are buddies doing weird distancing, but I think that's overlooking other crap, and just there to confuse myself." Covering his bases after he said dry is town.

Overall, if you read his day 1 posts he only seriously votes for MVM. But considering the 4 post with no followup and his concern for Boro. His discussions with boro just like the 4 posts I mentioned as not having followup, have no followup. They all have reasons for Cheery to vote for any of Boro, Mort, and MVM. Although, he does eventually vote for MVM but not for reasons that can be obtained from his unresolved questions to these players.
In post 303, Cheery Dog wrote:I'm quoting the part I don't understand, well I guess I'm also slightly confused by what you're considering about guille after being convincing, but what I quoted is the important part to me.

Anyway I can't see guille being the remaining ice goon due to starting interactions with boro being too in yourface buddying - or him wanting to actually kill Dry-fit.

(though it was probably borophil choosing that kill)
I would be convinced with only day 1 play that Cheery is scum. This post tell me he is Ice. As Ice he knows I will flip either Town or Fire. So he needs to do two things. Voice his opinion against me being Ice but leave it open so that I could get lynch, in the event of me being Fire. And also discredit the argument proposed by Bro, so that he won't get lynched after I am lynched.

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Post Post #322 (isolation #21) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:38 am

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I'll post Mvm case later.
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Post Post #324 (isolation #22) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:59 am

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Why?
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Post Post #347 (isolation #23) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:59 am

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In post 335, BROseidon wrote:I'm still okay with a Guille lynch, and if he flips town we can just lynch Cheery next.
I'm OK with that as long as we figure out the other scum, who I think it's MvM. But I still have to ISO him to be sure. I'll do that later when I get more computer time.
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Post Post #381 (isolation #24) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:16 am

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I will be quite busy today. I apologize for this especially to Penguin. I expect to improve my posting tomorrow.
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Post Post #422 (isolation #25) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:20 am

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I totally forgot what I posted.
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Post Post #424 (isolation #26) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:21 am

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I remember now. I think.

mvm
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Post Post #437 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:45 am

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In post 427, Klick wrote:Lol, hi guille.

I'll read up on this.
Heya! I hope your not scum. I'll have to check out why Dreams thinks commando was scum.
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Post Post #438 (isolation #28) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:50 am

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In post 431, mvmafia wrote:guille WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN. Why didnt you vote dragon at 266 with few hours left ? Whats my case you didnt post yet ? I'm watching you doubt about me for 2 days and you still didnt post anything against me.
I don't remember why I didn't vote at the time. Your a bit hard to read at this point. And I haven't ISOd you properly. I will eventually do that at some point.
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Post Post #465 (isolation #29) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:59 am

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In post 284, mvmafia wrote:Thank got i hammered right!
This reads as, hey look at me, I hammered scum! Hey! I hammered scum. In 325, he used this to claim that he is not fire.

You keep saying things about my activity, but your activity is about the same as mine, (Post-Wise), Although, you did get in half way through day 1. Your activity is slightly higher than me. I am not convinced on your arguments, on the players. You play looks like its aiming randomly.

MvM
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I thought Commando was town early in the game, so I will remain with that, since I haven't seen anything different. I can't read Klick for the love of me, so I'm here hoping that my read on Commando will be enough. The only problem I have with Klick is that he ISO Commando and argued in his favor. Not particularly bad, but It caught my eye.

Morton's Posts are typical of an easy going player. Hard to read. His vote on Dry was bad. Jily had nothing really. Her reads were weak though. I really liked T-Bones entry into the game. I'll give more thoughts on this slot as the day progresses.

I had a slight Town read on Uct early, but I'm going to have to reread him during the next few days. I expect him to defend himself against T-Bone, and it should help with my read.

Everyone
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Post Post #482 (isolation #30) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:13 pm

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Mod: I'll be VLA until Monday.
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Post Post #509 (isolation #31) » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:13 am

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I'll be catching up later today.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #32) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:43 am

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I'm caught up.

My top scum reads are on MvM, UCT and T-Bone. The last two are mostly by POE, and interchangeable, since I have a town read on everyone else. From my point of view, we just lynch those three in said order and we win. I liked T-Bones entry, so I'm ok with leaving him for last. I'd be very sad if any of my town reads are scum. But I'll deal with that later.

The things I noticed most about MvM and UCT is that MvM keeps talking about lynching fire mafia and UTC imagined a rather specific scenario to implicate Bro. Including the assertion that the Doc protected him, something that nobody should know. (even scum wouldn't know this, so I don't know what to make of this)
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Post Post #552 (isolation #33) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:35 am

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With 4 alive and fire and ice out there, our best chance to win this is to go for a no lynch and have mafia take each other out. I gotta go, but I want others to chime in. I have an idea, but I want others to talk first.
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Post Post #569 (isolation #34) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:51 pm

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Klick, Are you scum? Cause God-forbid!!!

Anyways, I feel Klick has the most town intent at this point in the game. Hence the other two are the scum.

Tbones- 555 is the most suspicious. If he believes Klick is scum, then he would be directing his kill towards. UCT rather than himself. Thus ensuring his victory.

And, I don't understand what UCT means with "Who that that read on CommandoDude? This guy right here. "

I could probably go a lot more deeper into the ISO's but really, I have been swamped this week, and there is a certain Chantal that is crossing us tomorrow. But I am pretty confident in my reads.
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Post Post #585 (isolation #35) » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:47 am

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Darnit. I totally switched my kill at the last minute. Almost won. Bummer.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #36) » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:23 am

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Good Job T-Bone. That "you should target UCT was what got me. If it weren't for the 2 days of expectations and concern that had me change the kill.

At least Klick didn't win this time ;)

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