Open 510: DUCK DUCK GOOSE- SCUM WIN!!

[D3f3nd3r]

Hi people.

Honest opinion on the doctor thing: It's a joke. We know that the setup has no doctors, and TIP most likely knew this when he made his #6. TIP's votes are a bit too many for something I'm almost positive is a joke. The people who counterclaimed are playing along with the joke, not

bad

Liking NotMara's #27, or at least the second half of it. Not seeing why apologizing for the first post of the game (from Generic) has any merit at all.

P-Edit: Not liking Treble's #30. Explain, please.

Mod: The people who voted before your VC were not removed from the Not Voting section. Also, can you please use full usernames in the VCs?

~ I do not know what you are talking about anyway, done

[D3f3nd3r]

Oh, okay.

TIP had nothing he could do, it's hard to determine scum off of a total of six words posted by three people. Regarding your #27, neither did Siv in his first post.

Other "doctors" had Generic to work off of, though.

P-Edit: Generic, your second post was an apology for something none of the other players really cared about, you making the first post of the game. You said nothing about that in your #39, for some reason. That's the issue.

Rob's points stand.

[D3f3nd3r]

Hey Generic, didn't I tell you to ask me what I found suspicious about post 11? Anyway, here you go.

• In post 7, Mutley votes for you.
  In post 8, you vote for Treble because you find it weird that its heads weren't listed.
  In post 11, you vote for Mutley because OMGUS.

I'm finding it weird that you made an OMGUS vote on Mutley in the post

after

the post immediately after Mutley voted you. Wouldn't it be more sensible to make an OMGUS vote on Mutley in post 8?

Mutley's 7 and Generic's 8 came two minutes apart. Generic posted a few lines, so it's possible that Generic didn't see Mutley's post until later, even with the "new posts have happened" announcement.

[D3f3nd3r]

TIP seems to be acting a bit unusual.

We clearly seem to be out of RVS, but the majority of his posts (even those in the past two or three pages) haven't looked like they came after RVS?

[D3f3nd3r]

Wow typos.

Gonna redo last sentence: We are out of RVS, and most of TIP's posts, even the more recent ones, don't fit that.

Yeah, was hard to understand.

[D3f3nd3r]

Generic is listed twice in the VC.

TIP's 107...uhh...no.

~Uhh.. No he isn't

[D3f3nd3r]

My vote is a pressure vote

Congratulations! your vote is now useless

There ARE better ways, Generic.

[D3f3nd3r]

I was adding onto what you said.

And it's easier than going into his post on a phone and cutting the other parts out.

P-edit: If you didn't say what it was, we wouldn't have complained.

[D3f3nd3r]

Sakura: Null, leaning town. He's been on the defensive for a while, since his 47. He/She has been doing some scumhunting despite this, hence the read.

Generic: Null, leaning scum. He made some really confusing and scummy-looking posts very early on, but Generic defended them (unsuccessfully, IMO) when called upon, mainly by Notmara. His play looks similar to Sakura's, but he is doing less scumhunting than Sakura, so he's not as good.

Regarding TIP: His lack of significant posting seems to fit his town meta.

Games:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=27888 (TIP is Town, fluff is present, though a bit less than here)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28794 (TIP is Town, fluff is present)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28962 (TIP is Scum, much less fluff)

[D3f3nd3r]

He/

She

FTFM

[D3f3nd3r]

Yeah, true.

Could be just noob or dumb town.

P-Edit: Mutley, Treble's serious. You don't seem to be in your responses to the "read this player" prompts.

[D3f3nd3r]

Refusing to provide reads when asked is scummy.

That combined with lack of serious content more severely than TIP warrants a

Vote Mutleyddmc

.

[D3f3nd3r]

Okay.

Refusing to provide explanations when asked is scummy.

[D3f3nd3r]

P-Edit: Mutley, Treble's serious. You don't seem to be in your responses to the "read this player" prompts.

> people expecting Mutley to be serious

Okay, everyone with their vote on Mutley: take your votes off him and look elsewhere. Mutley always trolls like this. We can go after him later if we can't agree on a lynch. Not now.

I looked into a game or two of Mutley, at least as town, and this looks correct.

More likely unhelpful town than scum.

Unvote Mutley

[D3f3nd3r]

Vote Generic

Mutley was cleared up, so he's another scumread. "Just go ahead and lynch me" posts, especially when said more than once, are also bad.

Also,

Not really a useless vote when I stand by it and intend to keep pointing it out until tip actually does something of value.

never happened.

[D3f3nd3r]

Well, seeing that you understand his arguments, now what?

[D3f3nd3r]

Opinion on hydrae: If the other players can tell that the player is a hydra by their posting, not including, signatures, there is a problem.

Starting to like Generic a bit more.

Unvote

Treble, why do you care?

[D3f3nd3r]

This page...

[D3f3nd3r]

Whatever, I'm just gonna follow voodoo

VOTE: taskmaster

Scummy as this post looks, I don't think it's that bad. Almost any scum would realize that this is a dumb thing to say, and not say it.

He does have merit with the vote, however.

Vote Taskmaster

[D3f3nd3r]

me

Which half? You have no finished games as a hydra.

[D3f3nd3r]

Karnage has had few posts, however his few posts look town when viewed individually.

[D3f3nd3r]

Hi. I hear that somebody wanted reads from me?

Mutley: From his posting, looks kind of scummy, but someone mentioned that this was normal play for him when I asked him. Null.
TIP: When your longest post is three lines, it's very hard to be seen as town. Then again, you are playing to your meta. Null.
Sakura: He's scumhunting, despite being under fire for some of his earlier posts. Leaning town.
Taskmaster: The hydra is using the argument between the heads as an excuse for rough-looking posting. Leaning scum.
Karnage: I like his posts, but the amount of them is pretty bad. I'd like to see more from you. Null.
NotMara: Great posting so far. Town.
Treble: They have had some rough posts (405), but some slightly better ones (134). I don't like how we don't know who the three heads of the hydra are, though. Leaning scum.
Generic: Looked scum earlier, but that play has slowly become more resemblant of noob town. Null.
Voodoo Lady: See Karnage. More posting than Karnage, so a slightly townier read. Leaning town.
Siv: He's lurking and not posting much content, yet he has experience with the game on-site. Leaning scum.
Sound of Silence: Scumhunting, but not very efficiently. It's working, though. Leaning town.

In order (town to scum):
D3f3nd3r
NotMara
Sakura
Voodoo Lady
Sound of Silence
Generic
Karnage
Mutley
TIP
Treble
Siv
Taskmaster

[D3f3nd3r]

I was asked for a reads case.

Speaking of lurking, hi D3f
Reads if any, please

FYI, I reserve Town and Scum (without leaning) for reads I am almost positive on. For example, if I had someone as Town and they flipped scum, I'd be very surprised.

I did something similar here http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4348598 and here http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4497393.

I was town in both games, and my reads were called "varying degrees of null" at least once between them.

[D3f3nd3r]

I have no alternate evidence for scum. My only scum game, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=21855 (my first game), outright has no reads posts.

[D3f3nd3r]

Unvote, Vote TIP.

We have "scummier fish to fry" than Taskmaster, and TIP is one of them.

[D3f3nd3r]

Oh, so if you vote any player on your wagon its always OMGUS? If it was, why did I vote you over the other 4?

[D3f3nd3r]

I had reasoning for my previous vote on TIP, which I unvoted. Would a simple "that applies here, too" have helped?

[D3f3nd3r]

I think I'm screwed now.

Guess I shouldn't have come back to Mafia.

[D3f3nd3r]

Scum would have self-hammered.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm here, and am town.

[D3f3nd3r]

Wait...uh...Sakura was already on me.

[D3f3nd3r]

When I noticed the fakevote and tried to post my 582, I got ninja'd.

[D3f3nd3r]

Well...Treble, say who you are now.