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Post Post #31 (isolation #0) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:49 am

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VOTE: taskmaster

Non communicating hydrae must go.

I love this set up and I've played every iteration of it on site (or almost, at the very least).

Last time, or recently-ish, Hoopla came up with a breaking strategy for this, and I want to try it again. I have to remember what it is/hunt down the game -- I sincerely hope it wasn't eaten by tigers.

Do not lynch yet under any circumstances. I am at work and computer less every single weekend but will on fact be insanely busy this upcoming week for the 4th (business). That's just life but I love hard boiled so I didn't want to miss it.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #1) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:01 am

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Still looking but it appears to have been eaten. :/. We won the game handily with the plan... It was something like "mass claim pr/not pr on day 1 and then lynch a vt" but obviously we can't use it unless I either remember exactly (unlikely) or find the game. I can't ask Hoopla because game has started etc.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #2) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:27 am

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Oriole you are the best. <3. let me figure out if it still applies.
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Post Post #36 (isolation #3) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:30 am

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Yeah I actually think Hoopla broke the game which is why it was changed to 13 players. Still need to look into the actual plan to see if it's still viable. I actually didn't realize it changed, or didnt remember -- I think that was the last hard boiled I played.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #4) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:27 am

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This is annoying -- I can't quote Hoopla's plan and I'm not on my computer to do it manually.

The numbers need to be crunched to see if it's still viable for 13 players.

If you want to see the plan, go the game oriole linked and ISO Hoopla. Read past the initial plan because it evolves a bit.

Someone industrious can quote it, but be sure to get the evolutions/clarification.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #5) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:41 pm

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No, if we claim prs, all but vig claim. Otherwise there's no efficacy.

And the hider flips a coin between actioning and not actioning.

For this plan to ever be viable, it has to be a vig or then when scum counterclaim tracker, there's no vig to shoot them in the face.

I can't analyze this properly from phone arrrrrgh
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Post Post #58 (isolation #6) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:09 pm

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I don't give a flying fuck about town points.

I just realized hider tracker is gone. Hmm. That sort of changes things.

Pc time is necessary for this for me, though... I've never been the set-up breaky type.
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Post Post #60 (isolation #7) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:25 pm

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The strategies are mutually exclusive.

If we go with no-claiming at all, it may be more efficient to choose tracker. With a claiming scenario, vig is a must.

Need to do crunch nummmmbers

If i didn't replace in i would have done this earlier sorry guys
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Post Post #62 (isolation #8) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:52 pm

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Look, it's an open game. Suggesting a bad strategy is impossible, because if it's bad everyone will know.

Yes, my suggesting it is null, but why are you so adamant about pitching a fit over that?

I am used to vig being the no-brainer choice because in the hard boiled i am used to, picking tracker was a patently bad idea. (Been vig in it myself what, twice?). I didn't realize the set up had changed at first so I need time to sit down with it. I am v/la EVERY weekend and didnt have a chance to do this pre-game because I replaced in.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:46 am

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What is your read on me, taskmaster?
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Post Post #70 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:03 am

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I think it's probably not the best idea to out anyone at all just yet.

I didn't realize they took out hider tracker in this variant and that makes a difference.

I'm evaluating marangal's idea right now. I may like it.
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Post Post #81 (isolation #11) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:33 am

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My vote's not rvs anymore -- just saying for posterity, though I don't think we should lynch yet.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:59 am

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No, it's none of those reasons. I find it strange how actively he is undermining anyone -- just in general -- from having a town read on me while he doesn't have a read himself. If he had a scum read on me, that would be a different story.

Why is he so worried I MIGHT get town cred from MYSTERY PEOPLE (for something that is not alignment relevant anyway) if he has no read on me of his own?

That's not a town mindset.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:23 pm

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I perfectly understand why proposing the plan doesn't make me town. It doesn't.

I don't care about that; I care about your behavior surrounding that.

And if you think I was aware the set-up changed and still posted as I did, you should be voting me. You're not. That's p scummy.

For the record, though, the hard boiled with hoopla was the last one I played, and if I was ever aware they changed the set-up, it was forgotten eons ago. If you had been reading my posts, you'd see when I realized which things -- first that it changed from 12p to 13p, and then that hider tracker was gone. In hindsight, I vaguely remember talking about possibly changing it to 13p. I think a couple of other set ups were all changed at once. Hoopla was the open list mod and implemented these changes.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #14) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:20 pm

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And that was like, your legit guess as to why?
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Post Post #106 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:30 am

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If you think that's a lie, where's your vote on me?

Of course I like being read as town, but I've never once done something specifically to generate town reads on me (at least as town... I've probably done this as scum some point in my life that I don't recall off-hand).
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Post Post #108 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:53 am

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Why isn't a vote justified? Do you think where your vote currently sits is an earned vote? (I don't remember where that is. I'll check after this.)
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Post Post #110 (isolation #17) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:54 am

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What is your read on oriole, bert?
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Post Post #134 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:52 pm

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I could get behind this. but I'm happy with my taskmaster vote at the moment. That was my initial response as well. That's why I asked him where his vote was, and if it deserved to be there more than on me. He did put his vote on a suspect after that, which somewhat mollified me but I was keeping my eye on him to see how he treated me after that. The cat's out of the bag, so that's useless now.

Bert, what is your read on me?
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Post Post #138 (isolation #19) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:43 pm

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Why wouldn't lying about that make me scum?
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Post Post #140 (isolation #20) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:47 pm

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I just don't understanding how wanting to make it seem like I don't care about town points that much if I actually do is something you wouldn't ascribe scum motivation to?
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Post Post #142 (isolation #21) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:49 pm

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okay I'm still much happier on Taskmaster.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:14 am

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In post 161, Kerberos wrote:I also have Amrun as likely town though, Amrun town do lie. I have done it, and I have seen people do it. there are such things called gambits
Sure, but not in that context.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:40 pm

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I knew the set up was broken, but not that it had been fixed. That's a pretty important fact. And it was best totally broken, just a system was figured out to swing it in town favor.
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Post Post #230 (isolation #24) » Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:29 am

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In post 221, Bertkerberos wrote:
In post 85, Amrun wrote:Why is he so worried I MIGHT get town cred from MYSTERY PEOPLE (for something that is not alignment relevant anyway) if he has no read on me of his own?

That's not a town mindset.
I ended up reading that Hoopla Hard Boiled game and a lot of townies ended up becoming paranoid of Hoopla because of her plan; yourself included. So it might be a strange mindset, but it's also a common one.
In post 90, Kerberos wrote:you guys better get in here and when I say you guys I mean syrlacious and nacho. I am not very good at reading bert but I can pretty much nail you 2 down.
hey there
In post 117, Lazurial wrote:So far... My moral side is against any strategy that's about breaking the game rather than simply playing it how it's built, but I won't interfere if that's the way we decide to go.
Why not?
In post 130, ac1983fan wrote:So, first of all, town has no motivation to lie (barring a few special circumstances, which this is not one of) so if you think a player is lying this should ring off bells in your head.
Secondly, if you're town you shouldn't care what other players read you as, because after all you KNOW you are town. (That is my philosophy on it anyway...Scum have more motivation to try and get these "town points."
Thirdly, BertKerb's 107 reads like only the first line of Amrun's 106 was read.
Why would Bert-scum not vote Amrun?
In post 159, Lucky2u wrote:@Oriole It will stop as soon as I make it to the end of a game without being lynched as townie
You constantly called yourself a scummy townie, yet attack Bert for essentially saying the same thing.
Those things aren't even remotely related.

Being suspicious of someone (which I never was in a serious way more than I ever am with Hoopla; she had recently fleeced me as scum when we played that) is not at all what I'm talking about here.

Why are you conflating two totally separate issues?
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Post Post #263 (isolation #25) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:53 am

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Lucky is more likely town. Being so unapologetically useless is less likely to come from scum.

As a reminder or in case I neglected to say I am and have been v/la all week long (including weekend). Still have phone access, am reading along etc.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #26) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:22 am

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That's not true at all.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #27) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:36 am

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"Voting Y because X cop has a guilty on Y" is quite different from "sheeping."
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Post Post #276 (isolation #28) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:25 am

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When you're following a confirmed pr, you have caught scum. That is not bad for the town and trying to call it such is twilight zone.
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Post Post #281 (isolation #29) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:30 pm

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Fuzzy probably town.

I seriously feel like taskmaster is scared scum. I know my "case" isn't some all-encompassing thing, but every one of his posts seems to come from a scum mindset. I feel strongly about it though there are few concrete reasons to point to. I'd like to see him swing.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #30) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:24 pm

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In post 288, Bertkerberos wrote:
In post 281, Amrun wrote:I seriously feel like taskmaster is scared scum. I know my "case" isn't some all-encompassing thing, but every one of his posts seems to come from a scum mindset. I feel strongly about it though there are few concrete reasons to point to. I'd like to see him swing.
I feel you're floating around in the atmosphere lately and I would like to know about a lot of your other reads.
Gee I wonder why maybe because I'm v/la as mentioned several times. Wow what a coincidence. I'm barely here, just posting to not get behind and not get replaced.

Taskmaster, never meant that you were scared of me in particular, just in general.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #31) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:26 am

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The thing is, taskmaster, that if you truly read it that way, you'd have been voting me from day 1. You haven't. You're too cautious. It's not genuine.

If you were town, you'd be more interested in getting a read on me yourself than preventing other people from reading me as town with no opinion of me for yourself.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #32) » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:15 am

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A lynch should not have happened this early -- on anyone. I think / thought Taskmaster was scum, but that doesn't mean I condone this quick lynch. Far from it.
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Post Post #372 (isolation #33) » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:20 am

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Taskmaster, if you're really the hider, you should have been a lot more proactive about preventing that.
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Post Post #383 (isolation #34) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:42 am

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Omg the scum are literally high. Like what on the actual fuck.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #35) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:01 am

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Rank, why would you answer for oriole?
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Post Post #401 (isolation #36) » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:11 pm

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VOTE: rank

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Post Post #409 (isolation #37) » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:09 pm

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Bad vote is bad.
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Post Post #411 (isolation #38) » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:07 pm

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I think I know the answer, but fuzzybutternut should answer this.
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Post Post #429 (isolation #39) » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:01 pm

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In post 422, mnemonicdevice wrote:I'm the same as Laz, didn't realize it was that long since I last posted. I want to start a counter-wagon against Oriole, but thing is, he doesn't actually seem that scummy. There hasn't really been anything new said, just people quoting the past (quotes of the 200's) and bringing them up now, which makes it seem that people are just trying to find excuses to attack people. Just my general opinion of using past posts. The only time that I would use them was to note inconsistency in one person. Other than that, I am keeping me vote the same (nothing) until I have stronger feelings about any one person being scum.
If oriole doesn't seem scummy, why would you want to start a counter-wagon on him?

And what do you think should be used to scumhunt, if not past quotes?

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Post Post #433 (isolation #40) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:42 am

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I see Oriole as town for ~reasons~ I am not inclined to share.

Oriole, how do you see her literally looking for reasons to omgus you as town? She was disappointed because she couldn't legitimize her omgus, but much worse is that she has exactly scum suspects.
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Post Post #435 (isolation #41) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:53 am

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Oops, *exactly zero scum suspects.

And yes, I thought about that, but it's so strange that who can say? She doesn't seem to view it as a bad thing to say either way, so I don't think she'd avoid saying it. She explicitly went hunting for things in your iso to vote you for, couldn't find them, and then accused YOU of doing that when you obviously hadn't. She's trying to discredit you but can't find a good enough "reason" to call you scum. I can't see town doing that.
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Post Post #437 (isolation #42) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:49 am

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I mean, rank is also an excellent vote. So I can't really complain.
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Post Post #439 (isolation #43) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:42 am

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Everything he posts is terrible p much sums it up.
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Post Post #442 (isolation #44) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:02 pm

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In post 440, Bertkerberos wrote:
In post 420, Lazurial wrote:Still here, nothing's really happened since my last post. Fuzzy's phrasing is suspicious with the wagon, but right now I feel like it's a lack of classification.

Nothing else has changed of note.
do you wanna put a vote down?
In post 429, Amrun wrote:And what do you think should be used to scumhunt, if not past quotes?
Vote: Amrun

that hop REEKED.
Tell me what makes my Rank vote better than my mnen vote. Serious.

I think they're both lovely votes, for the record, but I want you to answer this question.

Also, why is vote hopping (especially in the beginning of day 2) scummy? This is also a serious question.
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Post Post #443 (isolation #45) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:03 pm

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@Bert: Also, why should laz put a vote down but not mnem?

What are your reads of Laz, mnemonic, and Rank?
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Post Post #445 (isolation #46) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:13 pm

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I don't give a shit who it was. Answer all the questions. You don't get to wiggle out with hydra dissonance, oh no.
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Post Post #452 (isolation #47) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:48 pm

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Bert, please tell nacho to answer those questions as well.

Oriole, do you think rank and mnem work well as buddies?
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Post Post #453 (isolation #48) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:49 pm

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Also oriole is just so town it's almost painful

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Post Post #455 (isolation #49) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:01 pm

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I am inclined to think the opposite, though its not conclusive. He only did 5 isos and chose to ISO a weak partner to only soft bus for a hypocritical reason? Reads more like going after low hanging fruit but being a little too cautious about it.

But like

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Post Post #457 (isolation #50) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:05 pm

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Of one of those two isn't scum I'll eat all of my hats.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #51) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:16 pm

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So many hedging words, yes. I keep meaning to meta him to see if this is normal but forgetsies
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Post Post #461 (isolation #52) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:06 pm

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That's really fucking terrible.
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Post Post #465 (isolation #53) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:10 am

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But that's the thing, nacho. I don't think that mem realizes how bad that post was and so wouldn't avoid saying it as either alignment. And the fact that she went through oriole's iso looking for a reason to call him scummy (thereby doing the very thing he accused oriole of) is SUPER scummy.

As town, if she felt inclined to vote oriole, what's to stop her? As scum, she's more likely to feel like she needs a "reason" beyond reproach.

And not sure how you can read the "not wanting to use past quotes as scum hunting" cement as genuine when a) she was trying to do that with oriole and simply failed, b) her reasons are that she finds it scummy if it wasn't brought up before (okay, logical) but it WAS brought up before.

And I wanted both heads to answer in order to read the slot better.

I don't like how you were making comments to laz that imply a scum read or at least not-town read on him but have him as town.
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Post Post #466 (isolation #54) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:10 am

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You also didn't answer my questions about vote hopping, nacho.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #55) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:37 am

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We are seeing this the exact opposite, nacho. I don't see a reason why as TOWN she wouldn't just omgus. I don't see the TOWN motivation for "wanting" to find someone scummy, especially when she has no reads.

Why her not realizing what she posted is bad says "town bumbling" as opposed to "scum bumbling," I really don't know. It's just "bumbling."

But I must say I feel slightly less righteous about this after some sleep.

Mem, what is your read on oriole? Why?


And yes, nacho, I asked you to explain why that hop was scummy. But you haven't. Why not?

And why is laz town that needs a prod but mem not? Don't you have them both as town?
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Post Post #470 (isolation #56) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:41 am

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Why?

But I am at leat equally happy lynching Rank today.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #57) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:58 am

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Why not? It has obvious scum motivation.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #58) » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:11 pm

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I don't think omgus is a scum tell but that post is scummy so carry on I suppose
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Post Post #497 (isolation #59) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:49 pm

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VOTE: Rank

Likes mem's more recent post better.

Laz pinging scumdar. Cirno needs to buck up.
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Post Post #517 (isolation #60) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:49 am

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In post 512, fuzzybutternut wrote:I'm fairly confident that ONE of the gendered hydras is scum. I just..don't know which one..:/
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Post Post #519 (isolation #61) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:04 am

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idc really

nacho is wrong and nacho being wrong and not trying to discuss it with me personally means NACHO might be scum

but there are shinier things so really, idc
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Post Post #524 (isolation #62) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:42 pm

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@Nacho:

Probably Laz. Maybe Kerberos. More likely Laz.
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Post Post #526 (isolation #63) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:25 pm

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I don't undersatnd the question. Laz because I didn't like how he changed his behavior after pressure from Kerberos. Kerberos for a couple of smaller reasons, but because of how he went about pressuring Laz, and then DIDN'T note that it changed Laz's behavior. That whole interaction is pretty weird -- I don't like either side of it, but I can't decide how likely it is that they're both scum. More likely, only one of them is scum.
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Post Post #527 (isolation #64) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:26 pm

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More to the point, in either scenario, Rank is a likely buddy.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #65) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:44 pm

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Have you ever played with him before?
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Post Post #532 (isolation #66) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:03 am

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Not even a little bit. Thoughts on the reasoning behind it? You have yet to explain why Laz is town.

In any case, I'm much more confident about Rank, hence my vote.

Though I feel better about you now. You are just sadly so so wrong.

Who do you even think IS scum (besides me)?
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Post Post #535 (isolation #67) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:17 pm

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How isn't oriole analyzing anything?
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Post Post #537 (isolation #68) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:27 pm

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That wasn't a defense of you, not that I wouldn't. I think you're town, quite simply. That was a question to Kerberos, though.

Why does nacho's random town read affect your read on laz?
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Post Post #540 (isolation #69) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:13 pm

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In post 538, Kerberos wrote:How has anything he has done be considered analysis?

He's asking questions, sure but alot of the things he's stated are things others have already touched upon
Actually he's posted quite a bit of original analysis. Also "asking questions" is called scum hunting. Hello misrep.

@oriole: fair enough
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Post Post #547 (isolation #70) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:30 am

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In post 544, mnemonicdevice wrote:Ugh. Still cant place a vote. Still here though.
What are you doing to try and get reads?
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Post Post #550 (isolation #71) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:47 am

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Earlier, why didn't you vote for Rank?
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Post Post #552 (isolation #72) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:48 am

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In post 476, Lazurial wrote:Right now, I'm reading BK, Oriole, Fuzzy, and Amrun as town.

I also have Cirno leaning town.

The problem here is that nobody else is particularly active. (Pot calling the kettle black, I know, I know.)

I don't really have a read on 1983.

I'm going to ISO Kerberos in the morning and hopefully give a read w/ my Rank vote.


I'm game to join the Rank wagon at the moment, but I want to check the vote count first.
In post 477, Kerberos wrote:Well that would be the most oppurnistic jump if I ever saw one if you did vote Rank.

Maybe
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In post 480, Lazurial wrote:I'm not really liking Kerberos based on the ISO. A lot of calling Amrun town, with Lucky, Task, and I as her scum reads.

Can we get some other reads and some action?

Vote: Kerberos

It's this progression I don't like -- from either of you. You were going to join the wagon until Kerberos said that would be scummy, and then you didn't.
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Post Post #565 (isolation #73) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:03 am

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In post 564, Bertkerberos wrote:I also thought that the Kerberos read-switch was pretty random, but, again, no real reasons to switch if scum. He could have easily slid onto the Rank wagon if he wanted to, but instead made his own path again. I liked that.
This isn't true, though. The scum motivation was obvious: Laz declared intent to "slip onto the Rank wagon," and Kerberos threatened them over it. Instead, then, Laz voted Kerberos, but not as a reactionary "YOU THREATENED ME, THAT'S SCUMMY" thing, but as if he had intended to do it all along. Kerberos threatened him with negative attention for doing something, so he didn't do it. He caved to pressure from someone he ostensibly reads as scum.
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Post Post #569 (isolation #74) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:36 pm

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In post 567, Bertkerberos wrote:
In post 565, Amrun wrote:but not as a reactionary "YOU THREATENED ME, THAT'S SCUMMY" thing, but as if he had intended to do it all along. Kerberos threatened him with negative attention for doing something, so he didn't do it. He caved to pressure from someone he ostensibly reads as scum.
if he was afraid of kerberos, it seems strange he would OMGUS them.
Not them specifically, but of negative attention -- much safer to attack the probable source of negative attention first so it can get branded as omgus or similar.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #75) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:56 am

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Has Rank been prodded yet?
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Post Post #599 (isolation #76) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:16 am

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OH HEY

THERE'S A LAST PAGE
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Post Post #600 (isolation #77) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:17 am

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Yes, Rank, I have other reasons for voting you -- easter egg hunt to find out why! Hint: I don't even think I ever told you to talk more.

MORE VOTES ON RANK PLEASE

That is not a good catch up post.
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Post Post #602 (isolation #78) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:23 am

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Rank, for the record:

-I hate your vote on fuzzy. It's bad, and pretty openly attacks playstyle over actual scum intention.
-I hate how you answered for Oriole.
-I hate how you started ISOs, left, then came back and didn't finish them.
-I hate how your catch-up post didn't comment on ANYTHING even close to relevant to the game. You only question ONE person on your wagon, but not the rest. You don't comment on ANYTHING that has happened.

(But congrats on your honeymoon, and hope you had a good time.)

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Bert wagon. :(
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Post Post #606 (isolation #79) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:59 am

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Rank: playstyles have nothing to do with whether someone is scum or not.

It doesn't matter who posted before you or not. You answered a question directed to someone else in a scummy way.

Lots happened while you were gone, too much to comment on,
Or nothing happened? Make up your mind.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #80) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:35 pm

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VOTE: bert

-sigh-

Unhappy with this.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #81) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:49 pm

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OH WAIT

i have hope now

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Post Post #615 (isolation #82) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:51 pm

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I think that's L-1?
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Post Post #617 (isolation #83) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:56 pm

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Yeah, he's at L-2. :( I'm really concerned about the ability to achieve any lynch whatsoever. This game...
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Post Post #619 (isolation #84) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:00 pm

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Kerb, would you be willing to switch to bert to achieve a lynch?
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You seriously would rather no lynch than vote Bert?

There isn't support for fuzzy.

I would vote fuzzy ONLY to avoid no lynch.

If Bert is the only possible lynch -- quite likely, tbh -- you really wouldn't vote that?
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Post Post #624 (isolation #86) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:21 pm

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Okay, thanks.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #87) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:45 pm

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thank god

Rural, will you be around to hammer?
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Post Post #630 (isolation #88) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:52 pm

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In post 629, Rural Juror wrote:
In post 586, fuzzybutternut wrote:Let's lynch the berts today. If they flip town I'm inclined to believe the other kerbs are scum, so we can get them tomorrow.
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Post Post #631 (isolation #89) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:52 pm

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In post 628, Amrun wrote:
Rural, will you be around to hammer?
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Post Post #633 (isolation #90) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:58 pm

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.......................................
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Post Post #642 (isolation #91) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:59 am

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In post 638, Rank wrote:Hell, the only case against me is post count. Let's not pretend like there's a better reason.
Literally no one cards about your post count.
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Post Post #647 (isolation #92) » Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:19 pm

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Well I feel like shit. I basically led both mislynches.

My first thought was that my reads are fucking wrong and that's why I'm still alive, but oriole's reads were almost the same as mine.

More likely, being the spearhead, they thought I was more likely to be lynched.

Blegh. I need to do some work on this game and re-evaluate.
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Post Post #651 (isolation #93) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:50 pm

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Eh, that's not a slip.
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Post Post #659 (isolation #94) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:01 pm

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Lazurial, if you could place a vote right now, where would it go?
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Post Post #661 (isolation #95) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:30 pm

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Can you give some reasons there, for both?
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Post Post #668 (isolation #96) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:04 am

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In post 665, mnemonicdevice wrote:Alright. I am back from vacation. I say that we lynch AC for his terrible last posts. Or Amrun, because of him leading bad wagons. But that isn't enough for a vote in LYLO.

UNVOTE:
What about AC's posts are terrible?


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Post Post #676 (isolation #97) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:35 am

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I literally don't know what the fuck to do about this game.
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Post Post #678 (isolation #98) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:42 pm

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mnemonic, answer my question, please.
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Post Post #680 (isolation #99) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:56 pm

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Why wouldn't he be in your lynch pool, then?
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Post Post #681 (isolation #100) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:57 pm

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You also haven't been posting much, or explaining much of anything. Why shouldn't we lynch you?
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Post Post #687 (isolation #101) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:30 am

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replacing out in lylo... p lame.
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Post Post #692 (isolation #102) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:03 pm

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Well shit, it's been forever since I played with you.
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Post Post #694 (isolation #103) » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:37 pm

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oh, my, that slot is town. awesome.
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Post Post #695 (isolation #104) » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:41 pm

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Well, that's great. That means the scum is in {Laz, Bertkerb, Rural Juror, Kerberos, acfan}.

I can't decide if the weird switch around on Laz today makes Laz more or less likely to be scum with Bert -- leaning less. I still think it's unlikely that Laz is scum with Kerb, too. I still have an independent scumread on Laz.

acfan is indicated by PoE but I see no special scummy thing he's done this game, besides general lurkage, tbh.

Rural Juror... I just remember NOTHING about that slot. That's a bad sign.

UGH I really do owe this game some work but I am so demotivated about it.
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Post Post #701 (isolation #105) » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:39 pm

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Uh, I've never fallen behind in this game to have to catch up. My convictions aren't strong enough in this game so I keep feeling like I need to read it again to see if I get magical convictions, but I have read and that hasn't happened. You can bet your ass that it would be easy as fuck to manufacture convictions.

I was obviously never scum (in general) but especially not with the mem/kunkstar slot. Saying that like its a new revelation is lulz.

Trusting the vig is horrible. Vig shot fuzzy who was super obvious town.
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Post Post #705 (isolation #106) » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:48 am

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Lazurial, how many mafia are there?
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Post Post #712 (isolation #107) » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:11 am

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In post 704, Lazurial wrote:It seemed to me that a decent number of people agree it's one of the kerberoses and someone from me/ac/juror. Mind you that may be the pace of the game. (I have a bad habit of trying to play games as they go. I'll fix that some day, hopefully)
I took that perspective and put my opinion in on the matter.
Explain this post, then.
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Post Post #716 (isolation #108) » Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:23 am

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I'm not really opposed, but I'm not jazzed.
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Post Post #721 (isolation #109) » Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:18 pm

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I quite liked his replace in post. And also I had decided mem was probably town before that even happened.
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Post Post #724 (isolation #110) » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:20 am

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In post 723, Kerberos wrote:I'm not opposed to an AC lynch. He's been pretty much AWOL, but now that it's clear it's LyLo he's started to post a lot more than usual. It pinged my radar.

uh... why would that be more likely scum behavior?
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Post Post #728 (isolation #111) » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:16 pm

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In post 727, Lazurial wrote:I explain that post with bad math after my first day back of classes. No idea what I was thinking there.

My argument stands that we lynch from juror/ac/myself then.
You put yourself in the lynchpool in LyLo? o.O
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Post Post #730 (isolation #112) » Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:28 pm

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Fuck, guys, I'm pretty ready to vote Lazurial.

I think he miscounted 2 scum because he forgot to take out himself. lol
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Post Post #740 (isolation #113) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:42 am

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In post 738, Lazurial wrote:Amrun, if you're ready to vote me, why don't you? Does it have to do with the fact you haven't gotten the go-ahead from your scum buddies yet?
This is a bad post, and you should feel bad.

I am not particularly inclined to vote acfan today.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #114) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:43 am

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I'd rather not. I want scum wondering if I'm the kill tonight if we do end up lynching scum.
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Post Post #744 (isolation #115) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:49 am

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If you didn't want to be held accountable for each other's actions, you shouldn't hydra.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #116) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:53 am

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Disagree.
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Post Post #749 (isolation #117) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:57 am

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I'm not saying you can't disagree about reads. I'm saying that you are still accountable for those disgreements and we must still assess them for their likelihood of coming from town/scum. You don't get a free pass about hydra dissonance.

P-edit:

No, I'd like to see what everyone thinks about my assertions on Lazurial.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #118) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:20 am

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Ac, what are your thoughts on laz?
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Post Post #757 (isolation #119) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:16 pm

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I would like everyone else to weigh in, too.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #120) » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:27 am

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How is that a contradiction?
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Post Post #768 (isolation #121) » Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:39 pm

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fuck.

VOTE: Lazurial

Deadline is a lot sooner than I thought.
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Post Post #774 (isolation #122) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:13 am

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Kind of worried about that. I did think you were scum that would be too hard to lynch today, honestly.

That's why I didn't want to give my reads list. I thought Lazurial would be your partner due to weird she anigans with that slot.
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Post Post #781 (isolation #123) » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:15 am

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Lol this was so lame.

I basically knew bertkerb was scum, didn't think Kerberos would refuse to deadline vote for kerb as buddies, knew one of laz/kerb was scum, picked the wrong one. Thought Bert did a real turnaround on laz and it made laz more likely to be scum...

I could never get a good feel for this game. :/

Teaches me a lesson to trust my gut on nacho. I probably COULD have gotten them lynched if I'd started a day or two earlier, but I didn't really think so in a strong way until today. But my main reason to scumread nacho was how he handled his read on me and I was t sure I was being objective about it.


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Post Post #783 (isolation #124) » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:19 am

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Well; he wasn't playing the game very much.
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Post Post #785 (isolation #125) » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:33 am

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I don't remember what I was thinking at that precise time, but yes.
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Post Post #788 (isolation #126) » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:45 am

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I want to be upset, but I can't be, really. I never got a proper handle on this game. I stopped trusting myself because my earlier reads were wrong and I always lose when I stop trusting myself.
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Post Post #798 (isolation #127) » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:11 am

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Uci -- for me, personally, my push on Rank had 0% to do with his inactivity. The things he posted were almost all scummy. When he did come back, I started to doubt a little, but no other lynch was viable anyway.

I would have been perfect happy to wagon bk that day instead. Kerberos made that unviable. :/

I don't like reading three headed hydra. It muddies the waters.
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Post Post #801 (isolation #128) » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:32 am

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Oriole, we should hydra because damn, were we in synch.
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Post Post #803 (isolation #129) » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:41 am

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That would be nice. :)
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Post Post #810 (isolation #130) » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:46 pm

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You wouldn't have been lynched if you had gotten to claim.
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Post Post #813 (isolation #131) » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:12 pm

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Looked like an actual accident to me. Probably more a brainfart, I guess.

Ugh. Let's just remove this game from my meta and pretend I never played it, k?
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Post Post #817 (isolation #132) » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:25 am

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Yeah, that was fairly obvious pr hunting. Good thing it missed. :)
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Post Post #819 (isolation #133) » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:39 am

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Yeah, Encyclopedia Brown is a series of kid's books.
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