Open 518 LotteryLand (EndGame)

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Scum have been very very very stupid. And I bet I could give 4 people and guarantee 2 of them are scum

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So no RVS for me I'm gunna wait until I can narrow my selections down

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What policy is that?

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Explain?

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Stupid policy.

Any way thoughts on the fact I tihnk scum have been very very very stupid and played this game wrong?

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So you don't think I've figured out scum?

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Or at least got a 50% chance of finding scum

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Any way I will wait for people like siv to get here who udnerstand this set up more before revealing scum

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Don't be too scared that I've found yo uand one of your buddies

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I'm bored so I'm going to start explaining some insight.

Good scum in this set up (as sakura will know as we were scum in the 516 that failed!):

If they are near the top they need to act like town and take the cop and doctor slots (but taking 1 shot redirector and roleblocker), this is because while they aren't as powerful as other roles you could take as scum, you will be found out quickly when it is obvious you didn't take cop or doctor. That is what town would do with the top 2 slots!

That's part 1

Bad scum: They are too involved with taking roles that would be powerful for them if they are at the top - so jailkeeper, 1 shot vig, vengeful.

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oops dunno what happened there. But ''thats part 1'' is supposed to come below bad scum bit

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Oh I love this set up. I feel bad for the scum. It's very easily to manipulate if you know what you are doing

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Part 2

In 516 no one took #1

With scum having played the picking of roles badly (I will reveal more later)

My bet is they also went down the route of happily risking picking #1.

So there's saki and noctan nights. I would bet 1 of these is scum.
Saki's reaction to me suggest it is her
But I have more information that means it is not one of them we should be looking at

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No you aren't scumbuddies with noc

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I would bet 1 is and 1 isn't

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You are likely scum.

Don't worry you aren't the lynch for today

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So from what we can gather from what I told you in part 1

If scum occupy one (or both of the first 2 slots)

They will like go for these roles - jailkeeper, 1 shot Vig, vengeful.

I went for the Jailkeeper slot (went tracker)

For many reasons - if I got it, the top 2 were likely town and I'd have a good investigative role.

and also would keep the jailkeepr slot away from scum below me if the 2 ahead of me were both town.

Guess what?

I am VT.

One of the top 2 is scum.

I'd go karnage.
As I feel sak is likely scum and bet the RVS on karnage wasn't actually RVS

VOTE: karnage

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Read what I've written

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What do you think about it?

Have you played this set up before?

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Fair point but my experience from these games, is that when scum has top pick they go jailkeeper

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Experience being 1 game, and reading others. Also played 1 game face 2 face

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Also I know from 516 that the top 2 took cop and doctor. As I was scum and didn't get roleblocker as third

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Really? Why not cop?

I expect you to lie as scum anyway to try and devalue my findings

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Because this game is about having fun and I have fun when I shoot people.

Good job you are scum then

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Because this game is about having fun and I have fun when I shoot people.

Good job you are scum then

That logic. It's nowhere to be found!

You have fun shooting. Scum shoot

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So if MrBartlet is telling the truth. I'm pretty sure both of the top two are scum.

If saki is telling the truth that he took 1 shot vig as #1 in 516. Thats a one off cos this guy as different to most.

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Then I am pretty sure saki is scum with them. Although I think we need to get the 1 shot vig one over JK. If they do occupy thje first 2 slots I don't think there is anyway but luck to find out

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Saki why did you go 1 this time round but 11 in 516?

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Saki keeps running off to the QT, all scared and found out.

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Come back here saki or someone

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Tbf I honestly can't see 1 if not both of them being scum. I'd stake my house on 1 of them being scum, and probably my car on both of them

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No number theory. Just mutley theory. Also known as role picking theory.

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The 3 scum I am saying are all with different numbers

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Oh and look at saki following my theory with votes until it got to the end in which I got her scum buddy. She votes me

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Well what you are seeing saki is that #1 and #2 are one shot vig and jailkeeper slots. Two roles that scum usually go for.

Chances both of them are town - extrememely slim
Chances both of the are scum - Pretty high
Chances of of them are scum - Guranteed

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one of them - not of of

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The best part of my role is that I can prove I'm town. I got the fruit vendor. So some lucky guy will be getting a random fruit that does jack shit. This way I can prove I'm town, and won't be mafia killed as they'll want to kill someone useful.

ffs wasn't asking yo uto prove you were town. The #1 theory was just a theory that was basically asking the cops to investigate you two. Also why fruit vendor and not neighbourizer?

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Fun Fact: Saki is a guy

Fun fact: I know

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Neighbourizer is awesome role. Fruit vendor is funny though, doesn't prove your townness unfortunately but increases it

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lol saki is lying. Saki had first pick. you just admitted to being scum saki

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first pick of the two

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lol lol lol lol lol

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VOTE: saki

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even though the two scum with pick 1 and 2 have roles we should get. Saki has just proven to be lying

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No that was in 516. this is 518.

and as I said it was his way of discrediting the info I had, or he is just a selfish town taking 1 shot vig as pick 1

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So sak, karnage and likeabauss are the scum. Easier than 506!

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Need to remember theres two saks in this game lol.

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Ignoring your partners lie?

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Any one got anythoughts on the rest of what has been said other than saki claiming scum

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Saki has lied. Could be is very very unlikely.

I'm 90% sure all 3 of you are scum.

100% sure 2 of you are scum

100000000000% sure saki is scum

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If I was scum I'd have no reason to reveal the info I currently hold and would keep it secret.

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Shut up cos I broke the game??

No thanks

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If I was scum I'd have no reason to reveal the info I currently hold and would keep it secret.

False, you're role fishing. With a complete knowledge of the game role distribution, scum has another advantage. This play you're making does not assist the town as much as you suggest.

Lastly, the only people who are certain about alignment on D1 are scum. And you sound pretty certain. You could be bussing Saki or just pulling a sacrifice play to eliminate town power roles. Either way, its easy to see the scum motivation for playing as you are.

I'd rather lynch you or karnage. Cos you have the roles.

If I was scum I'd know I didn't get my role and keep it quiet and know who to kill.
You;ve been caught out playing the game wrong. Scum need to take 1 shot redirector and roleblocker. not Jailkeeper and 1 shot vig. If they are top 2. You will get found out eventually

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I'm not sure about bartlet. He had no reason to come out with his info if he was scum after I did.

bauss - saki has lied and claimed scum yo uare ignoring that who is short sighted.

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and bauss this set up is easy to manipulate. Not my fault you and your buddies got it wrong. I might be wrong that both you and karnage are wrong. But I will bet my house on it that one of you is. No way town get 1 and 2, and take JK slot and vig slot.

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Will it be bad town play when all 3 of you flip scum..........

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Had I got my role, I'd never have revealed this info as probabilty would be both of you are town. The fact I didn't means probabilty one of you was scum. The fact I know the other took 1 shot vig slot, means that one of you is pretty much guranteed, if not both.

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Saki can be temperamental and I'm not sure if he's being serious or facetious because he's frustrated. Do you believe everything a person says in mafia?

At this point, I'm not prepared to lynch anybody just yet because there is plenty to discuss and explore.

He got caught out lying about what role he bidded for. That's the main point.

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Third pick as scum or town in this set up is awesome. You gain so much info. If I was scum, I'd have gone roleblocker.

If I got that role I've stopped a doctor. If I don't I know the doc is likely the second in the draft and have the kill target for the night!

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No I bid on JK.

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MrBartlet said he bid on 1 shot vig.

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Had I got my role, I'd never have revealed this info as probabilty would be both of you are town. The fact I didn't means probabilty one of you was scum. The fact I know the other took 1 shot vig slot, means that one of you is pretty much guranteed, if not both.

I see this is easily misinterpreted.

I bid on JK or its slot anyway. Knowing scum like that role.
As I didnt get it it meant 1 of the 2 were very highly likely scum. Small chance both town. Willing to take the risk.
Bartlet came out and said he took 1 shot vig after I explained my few posts on page 2. Therefore there was no one that if the person who took the JK slot above was town, that the other who took 1 shot vig is scum.

No way in hell those 2 slots get chosen in the first 2 slots unless 1 if not both are scum

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Lol now do you believe me that the 1 shot big above me is likely scum why would town shoot Jason?

Also Saki said he went fruit vendor but didnt get it. If he hasn't claimed scum and had tried to be normal, we would have not been so stupid and seen that means noctan is lying about being the fruit vendor?

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Saki can be temperamental and I'm not sure if he's being serious or facetious because he's frustrated. Do you believe everything a person says in mafia?

At this point, I'm not prepared to lynch anybody just yet because there is plenty to discuss and explore.

This post makes me think he is scum. Saki claimed scum and made it seemed he had been caught out. Likeabauss knew it was down to frustration because he knew he wasn't a buddy.

I am super pissed off at saki by the way. He should have realised that it was noctan also lying about the fruit vendor role and not claimed scum straight away!

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So if Saki was lying about picking the fruit vendor slot, I really will not being playing again with him, claiming scum and lying.

Siv the reason is good scum would take the cop slot though, thats my point weakening town is a lot better for scum than taking things that seem beneficial to them. Do you see what I am saying. Still no cop in the top 2 thats scum right there

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plus as scum if you take 1 shot redirection you can use it late on in the game really well, but fake being the cop (you know the alignments)

no way scum isnt in the first 2, if not both. If it wasn't for saki claiming scum, we would have lynched one.

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oh and I guess jason was killed by vig only cos of being second kill as such, no confirmation.

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even if its sak that was vig killed. Why would town shoot one of them

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I disagree Siv. Scum wouldn't have shoot me with vig town would have. Scum see me as a possible mis lynch plus it could implicate them plus they know I have no role.
Vig is def scum. Also I'm pretty sure scum would have killed one of the top 2.

Also do you think saki lied about bidding fruit vendor. Surely if he did bid on that noctan has to be scum

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You ignored the fact I said do you think saki lied about going fruit vendor? Considering there was no real pressure on saki then. When would he lie?

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But why would saki lie? Like I say if he has I'm going to be super pissed

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But I also think that surely someone would counter claim neighbour or fruit vendor and we'd have noctan

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Although I think likeabauss reaction to saki claiming scum is very scummy.

VOTE: likeabauss

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Yer that's my point though noctan he had no real reason to lie and it's really pissed me off

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Bauss I like your post. I understand why if as town you took one shot vig. Because its my reasoning for why scum should take the cop and doc slots as it stops town having powerful weapons. However if you are town I think you are slightly wrong in this case. Town having the cop is much better than scum not having the vig.

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So bauss do you think saki lied about what he bidded for and why did he?

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Oh and to me that was town Sakura to a T

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But saki's rage was when he claimed scum, the fruit vendor bid thing was what caused people to go for saki causing the rage.

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You mean I managed to rally enough supporters to vote someone claiming scum. Who had he not claimed scum, would not have been my vote. Stop using WIFOM to your defense. Thats all you've got and it is confirming you as scum to me. Not that I needed much confirming.

also where is everyone else?

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when I'm right I am coming back to this post of yours siv.

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160 is basically me saying that I can understand town motivation for picking one shot vig. However I think it's wrong cos weakening scum by taking the vig doesn't not weaken them more than town having a cop.

He's scum there's like a 1 percent chance town takes one shot vig in the top 2

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Me Sakura and ryzz

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Well thats bollocks. I've played this set up plenty. Why didn't you jail keep the vig?

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I didn't fish for roles. I knew the roles. Didn't fish for other peopels roles.
I agree with you we the town will lose. You the scum will win

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also like I say your only defence on why you took those roles is oh yo uare using too much WIFOM. It's not WIFOM cos its set up logic.

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WIFOM here would be oh noctan gave his fruit to the person who died. Is that because he is lying and knows sakura cannot confirm this

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I've caught 2 scum. N oneed to do much. As you say I've crowded the thread and stuff so I am trying to let others discuss. Very little is discussed by others

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calm your self down, I was just giving an example of WIFOM.

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Thats wrong cos I've been saying if i was scum I'd have picked 1 shot redirector or roleblocker to take them away from town, the cop and doc away obvs.

Scum 95% of the time if in top 2 will take jalkeeper or one shot vig

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If do the same as town but take the cop and doc

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Ok ignore all the Apparent WIFOM

What about him knowing saki was going to flip town.

What about the fact he killed Sakura for being scum Sakura even though she was bleeding her town meta

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Ok why didnt he kill me. He thinks I'm scum. He doesn't like my WIFOM. Why not kill me?

Cos he saw me as an easier lynch target.

Town likeabauss would have killed me

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so thats why he is voting me?

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read pretty much all my posts. why don't you cut the crap and actually do something useful

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VOTE: likeabauss

ive said what i needed to

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What does everyone think to the jail keeper still being alive?

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lynch vauss or mitlllos seriously guys

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lynch vauss or mitlllos seriously guys

Why Mitillos, Mutley? Don't you think he has been pro-town in his activity and in his suggestions?

(@Beginner I'm sorry I haven't been able to address your points yet, but I've been ill today and it demand a lot of concentration. I'll be sure to get to them later, when I feel well enough to give them a proper treatment)

same reasons as bauss scum. pure logic as I set out from the start them two are the scum.

Siv or beginner are the other scum

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Yer theres no way you'd have been kept alive this long

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we are not no lynching. Scum could have the N3 vigilante and win the game on a no lynch.

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Why would you track bauss on N2 to confirm his claim. IF you were tracking cos he thought he might do the scum kill fair enough, but his role was confirmed