This coming from MTD.
VOTE: Vote: Hoopla
Serious vote.
Did you really have to attack this before Hoopla responded?In post 43, Rottweiler wrote:
FoS on Profont.
"This coming from MTD" regarding the creativity is repeating what Aisa said, and sheeping Hoopla also seems to follow what others have said.
Not voting yet because wanna discuss with the dog(and Sakura wagon is too good to leave)
~Wis
Explain to me prefacing your RVS vote with "I'm bad"? It feels out of place. Do you have a meta of doing this?
Why? What gave you a townread on him based on three contentless posts?In post 16, Shockwave Rider wrote: MTD looks kind of town so far.
I mentioned to fontisian inside our QT that I disliked Sakura's first few posts. It feels a bit too forced/contrived for a joke, and scum love to joke about claiming scum.In post 19, Sakura Hana wrote:Because notscience is obvtown and im obvscum so i need to get obvtown lynched
In post 22, Sakura Hana wrote:In all seriousness tho, it's just some sort of thing with ns that he's always obvtown soooo yeah.
Reasoning? I'm assuming you caught on to that?
This also feels a bit forced, and the "bring it!" feels like an attempt to show off bravado - it's quite a rapid tone change from her previous posts.In post 25, Sakura Hana wrote: Bring it! I'm not scared of you or your shenanigans
What does this mean, as an outsider who has no idea of what previous games you've played?
You know I want reasons.In post 91, Aronis wrote:Hoopla and Rottweiler seem to ne leaning town atm. Now to sort the rest of you.
Ah, didn't catch that as a response to Hoopla's thing. Thanks.In post 102, MTD wrote: Meaning I am not good at mafia, it had nothing to do with the vote.
Think of it as it's easier to reason and use logic to figure things out if you have partial information vs. all of the information.In post 104, Shockwave Rider wrote:So you're the kind of player who wants explanations for everything huh? That's such a pain.
Hm.In post 105, Hoopla wrote: no, i just wanted to build a wagon.
/barn this.In post 106, Hoopla wrote: also, ABR: do you have any reads so far? what's up
Why did you vote for us?In post 114, Aisa wrote:@MTD: Because I don't really have scumreads.
I guess I could put my vote somewhere for pressure, though.
VOTE: ProfontWhat's the bottom line?In post 101, Profont wrote:Also, this felt off to me too, especially the "sooo yeah" - those words didn't need to be there:
In post 22, Sakura Hana wrote:In all seriousness tho, it's just some sort of thing with ns that he's always obvtown soooo yeah.
... Did you just admit to randomly picking town reads because it looks good?In post 113, Aronis wrote: Of course you want reasons.
I'll start with DA: The posts appeared genuine townie, asking for reasons, appeared to be scumhunting and gut tells me their town.
Hoopla and Rotweiler: The hard ones.
People want me to give reads early in the game and I'm not that really comfortable giving reads that early, so I just randomly picked a couple active people that seemed null-townish and boom, my town reads.
Hoopla is more VIstyle/Null-leant atm. Seems town, but not enough yet for me to make a decent read.
Rottweiler seemed to be trying to scumhunt/helpt at first glance. I should prob reassess the read soon.
You dodged the question. Why do you think DA is scummy enough to merit a vote? Why do you have Aronis as null-scum?In post 125, Sakura Hana wrote:What makes you think making your wagon bigger over a vote that probably would have ended up useless is less useful?In post 123, Dragon Alliance wrote:Why me over Aronis? It seems we are both on you potential scum radar but you decide to vote me over them. I already have people voting me so a pressure vote seems a little unlikely. If it is a pressure vote then it would have served more of a purpose on Aronis.
-Beast
PEd: @ns: then vote DA with me.
A pressure vote then. I'll let Proph answer this, though the answer to the second question should be obvious. He wouldn't have voted for Sakura if he didn't think it was scummy.In post 157, Aisa wrote:Partly random vote, but I also don't agree with Proph's stance on Sakura and wanted to get a better feel for the reasoning behind it.In post 136, Profont wrote: Why did you vote for us?
I don't really understand you question. Proph doesn't like the way the extra words are used to pad Sakura's post. I disagree, as the extra wording seems to be a normal part of Sakura's posting style.
My question means "What does her extra wording tell you? Do you think that is scummy?"
I'll let you know after he responds.In post 171, Aisa wrote:Quick question:
@Font, do you think that Aronis randomly picking some town reads is scummy? Why/why not?
Could you explain this to me? How did you intend to start an argument with a vote that you immediately backed off of? Why not naked vote and then work off of Rottweiler's reaction?In post 188, notscience wrote:Because we spend time arguing and then gauge how people react to itIn post 181, Hoopla wrote:this seems kind of pointless if you're going to preempt your vote with "i don't think you guys are scum". how is this reaction test supposed to do anything?In post 177, notscience wrote:VOTE: puppy
I don't think you guys are actually scum but I figure a good old fashioned tunnelfight should get htis game going
But it does jack shit now
Yay.In post 247, ika wrote:Just cause this is here and want to interact
In post 233, Profont wrote:Hi ika.
Are you going to read the last 200+ posts, and if you are, can you grace me with a t/s list?
Already posted mine, now how about you post yours instead of being useless. I want your reasoning as well before i give mine
--
From a brief skim of things, we both think that beastcharizard is town low-hanging fruit, and I want to engage with ika to discern his alignment better.
2 post gives you low-haning fruit? where did that come from?
I'm not getting the Rottweiler votes.
so you think hes town or are you jsut fence sitting?
~p
The Beastcharizard wagon was dismantled because you dismantled it. Before that, only Sakura had unvoted, we spoke out against it and Shockwave Rider had actually rescinded his town read of DA. If you had wanted a Beastcharizard lynch, you could have easily pushed it. Why didn't you?In post 240, iamausername wrote:really not feeling this rottweiler wagon. if we absolutely must dismantle the beastcharizard wagon (and i'm far from convinced that we must), can we lynch Aisa instead?
like, is Aisa giving off any indication that she gives the slightest crap about who gets lynched today? has she offered any opinion on any of the prospective lynches on the table? has she offered any opinion onanything?
UNVOTE: Beastcharizard
VOTE: Aisa
c'mon
It's a pissing contest. You're both posturing about and refusing to do anything before the other does. Frankly, it's a waste of my time.In post 262, ika wrote:No it shows your ignorance and refusal to engadge with me. porio did and you dont. Your not out yet. I would like to find out more. Whats pointless about it? how does it do nothign? how come porio cares but not you?In post 258, Profont wrote:ika: This fight is pointless. We will engage when we engage, and your refusal to explain how you got your reads does nothing.
-font
He's believes what he's saying, and that's all that ultimately matters when determining mindset.In post 44, Dragon Alliance wrote: Because town should give reason for everything they do especially voting. Until Hoopla gives a good explanation I don't want our vote to change.
There's an odd disconnect there. "It could be scummy!" switching to "your reasoning makes sense". It's not much, but grasping content from this thread has been difficult as-is.In post 62, Aisa wrote:It could be a scumtell. Needing to discuss a vote so early in the game doesn't make sense for town. But as scum, you don't want to jump on the first viable wagon, or maybe voting a person may be later seen as bussing, so you need to try to plan ahead.
But your reasoning makes sense.
IIoA.In post 65, MTD wrote:We do not agree there then, to me a naked vote in RVS is either an RVS vote or an attempt to get out of RVS, but not opportunistic as scum does not gain anything from that vote.In post 63, Dragon Alliance wrote:A naked vote in RVS isn't RVS to me, it is opportunistic.
The bolded is pretty darn self-conscious.In post 67, MTD wrote:See above post.In post 63, Dragon Alliance wrote:Yes it was. I will try making sure I address my posts from now on so that it is easier to understand who I am talking to.
A naked vote is not town. not town = scum. That is all I have at this time. Wisdom called me out on it but this is what I have and am going to go with. Now, how am I scum?
You look scummy for your reaction to Hoopla's attempt to get you playing, getting defensive when there was no attack there.
But yeah, this isn't strong, but my strongest atmo.
This feels noncommittal to me - Hoopla's hiding behind words like "sincere" without really holding herself up to choice words like "townie" or "scummy".In post 87, Hoopla wrote: profont's initial reason for pressuring me seems pretty abstract and gut based, which i cannot really criticise (other than for being incorrect) as that is often how i derive my reads (and also subsequently find them hard to explain). his followup explanation in post 54 seems sincere in its simplicity.
Aisa wrote:Dragon Alliance (Beast) was being clearly hypocritical, but it doesn't tell me much. It could be town or scum.
You're basically absolving yourself of accountability at this point.In post 111, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I don't have any serious reads yet, I will bandwagon hydras until I do.
If you don't have scumreads, how come you aren't trying to question people to get them?In post 114, Aisa wrote:@MTD: Because I don't really have scumreads.
I guess I could put my vote somewhere for pressure, though.
I agree with you on this.In post 118, Hoopla wrote:i have no real read on MTD. have barely noticed his posts while i've been playing. i guess that means his posts appear to be filler-y noise.In post 110, Dragon Alliance wrote:The bolded part was a question I had for you.
Would reply to this more in-depth if it was earlier in the Day, but not interested in talking about theory now.In post 120, notscience wrote:I didn't follow up because I got my answer. .-.
I like this post - the gut phrasing in particular is something that's giving me townvibes, on reread.In post 134, Dragon Alliance wrote:Your gut is failing you horribly right now, so I wouldn't trust it to much.
@ns:
Why do you like the wagon if you think that me and my other head are lynch bait?
Case in point.
I want to ask you how you got your townread on Albert, but proof of verbosity regarding that will probably make me feel like an idiot.In post 154, Shockwave Rider wrote:Albert is probably town here. This is one of those games where I have a ton of town reads and not really any scum reads so far.
I'm kind of curious about what Rottweiler's doing here. Their posts don't seem to be oriented toward scumhunting. Might seem a little hypocritical coming from me, but there it is. Rottweiler, who are your scumreads?
Yes, I consider unnecessarily tacked on words to be scummy.Aisa wrote:My question means "What does her extra wording tell you? Do you think that is scummy?"
I guess this is where it begins?
I think this was the only vote with any actual reasoning - notscience started the wagon as a "reaction test", ABR added a vote without reasoning, and Shockwave listed Rott as one of his three scumreads.In post 225, Shockwave Rider wrote:I think I responded to this but it got lost. My townread on you was based on thinking you were saying that you actually had a townread on Sakura. But actually you were just saying that you considered it a "mislynch wagon" because there was no reasoning behind it.In post 210, Dragon Alliance wrote:Explain how it was wrong please.
Unvote. Vote: Rottweiler.
...yeah.In post 237, Sakura Hana wrote:You do realize that it's actually quite the opposite?In post 235, Rottweiler wrote:It's not like sakura to be so apathetic when wagoned.
Unvote
Vote: Rottweiler
They will be at the end of this post, hopefully!ika wrote:Already posted mine, now how about you post yours instead of being useless. I want your reasoning as well before i give mine
This.. is lack of self-awareness? Hm.In post 259, Sakura Hana wrote:Well since Wis considers me doing nothing a scumtell, im going to continue to do nothing and then when I flip town that'll stop being a scumtell so there.
Have fun~
o/
fontisian used this reasoning when she voted for Aisa, I think.iamausername wrote:a contributing factor in this decision was the fact that during the break, i read over Aisa's one completed game on site and found a town Aisa who was vastly more proactive in pushing lynches than she has been in this game.
Again, case in point.ika wrote:Know what now im getting pissed off, i dont know sakeras alignment nor yours nor anyones for that matter, but if you are just gonna be a shithole like this then maybe you should replace out. You obviously dont care for a persons emotions right now and the fact that you cause her to replace out and have no regrets make me just want to lynch you out of policy. If you are going to drill someone to a point where they replace out like that, then you should be the one being replaced.
How about makeyourself useful and think of someone else who might be fucking scum or scum hunt now instead of going "replace out, you suck"
This is a fucking game and if you are going to take it to a point where you are forcing a player to replace out. You need to be slapped and take a hard face of reality. Not everyone can deal with death tunnles and the shit you are doing. I was like that (and sometimes still am) but i dont replace out. If you take it to a point where someone is forced to rplace out. The falt is yours. Now how about you shut up and stay off this thread and do a hard rest or have your partner post for a bit. You have already done enough damage as is.
Hm, going by that logic, how come you haven't really pushed on ABR? He's been very useless this entire Day, moreso than Sakura.Rottweilier wrote:When they're useless and anti-town and refuse to do anything, it's better for the game if they replaced out. The thing is many times people are hesitant to replace out so that they don't give the mod a hard time, so they remain in the game and continue doing nothing. In those cases, they need encouragement to replace out.
MTD wrote:Beast: Leaning scum. Well, there hasn't been anything to change my read there. Still not a strong read, mind.
You have beastcharizard as leaning scum, yet your vote was still on him while you had a stronger scumread on ika. Reconcile this.MTD wrote:ika: Scum. Aronis was hard to read because of not doing much, still, what he did was strange, he did give some "townreads" in his first post, just to say "Oh they weren't actually townreads, I just picked some where it would look good", stating people had asked him for reads, when actually afaik nobody did.
..Yet you don't expand on him.ika wrote:townish: ABS
The most people got from the Rottweiler wagon was "Why is he being run up?", and the lack of responses to that question. What reactions were you expecting?Shockwave Rider wrote:Scum is too scared to talk about the Rottweiler wagon. Though unfortunately it's dying down now.
This reads slightly genuine to me? The 'facepalming', at least. It's a natural town reaction.In post 376, Rottweiler wrote:I don't care about what it is preventing, it makes me facepalm how you can townread the two most scummy people in the game.
~Wis
Hm, did that read on notscience flipped 180?In post 383, Greymarble wrote:Scumteam is Shockwave, Profont, & Notscience.
MTD is the backup in case one of them somehow flips town.
This game was surprisingly easy.
So, ABR moves from "townish" to "not even mentioned" to "a third wheel on a scumteam"?In post 411, ika wrote:wisdom shut up and lynch sakuras slot. im not following you if you are going to be dense here
my scum paring idea
graymarble/hoopla/abr
Ugh man why is ika setting up dichotomies?
I agree with this but does it make ika scum? He's doing something blatantly scummy, though I know his scum meta is pretty darn bad (Olympian Gods). Hmm.In post 448, Rottweiler wrote:so basically you would lynch ns just to prove grey is scum? What guarantees to you they're not both town? Why would you want me to make a "promise" that I'll be lynching Grey if ns is town? Sounds like lining up lynches.
~Wis
I agree with this and don't think that Greymarble should be the lynch toDay.Greymarble wrote:Generally it is inadvisable to lynch somebody who just arrived and is likely to win you the game if left to their own devices.
Now there's some justification for the 180.Greymarble wrote:My Ika townread is dying.
I am up for lynching MTD or Profont; NS' "You can't lynch me Ha Ha Ha" refrain is somewhat more common from town than scum.
What "case" did I present? I only looked at a few of MTD's posts and voted him being more townreads on wagon logic.In post 514, ika wrote:however the case you have presented is much better and this is what i am willing to follow for now.
If we're both still alive let's talk about it on Day 2.In post 516, Rottweiler wrote:There was absolutely no genuineness in Sakura's posts.In post 513, Profont wrote:Greymarble: 3/10. Call this a slight townread but I liked Sakura's genuineness in one of her posts, and the lack of self-awareness.
Hm, really? Can you tell me what posts affected your read?In post 518, Rottweiler wrote:Olympian gods is not a good example. He replaced in after tons of pages, in a heavily suspected scumslot, there was not much he could do. Here it's a quiet game, which means he didn't need much effort to get in. My gut keep fellng me he's town, but I could see him being scum. I greatly dislike his wanting to lynch town as a way to figure out who is scum. That's what scum do to line up lunches. And he's doing it again now with MTD.In post 513, Profont wrote:I agree with this but does it make ika scum? He's doing something blatantly scummy, though I know his scum meta is pretty darn bad (Olympian Gods). Hmm.
I have no idea why Wisdom is defending us. We've both been pretty disconnected from this game, and it shows
I don't care that you have been distant (I actually do, but it doesn't affect my read), I think you're quite obviously town from early on.
It's more than a little frustrating seeing all of my scumhunting skills shrivel up and die on mafiascum.In post 521, Rottweiler wrote:You are forcing yourself to find something scummy about MTD. There is nothing scummy about this. It could easily mean uncertainty from MTD's side. There is no necessity for town to show their confidence with "you are scum" statements all the time.In post 513, Profont wrote:Note how he uses "you look scummy" instead of "You're scum for..." - finding things that are scummy is the mindset that you want to lynch someone you can justify. vs. finding reasons why someone is scum.
This too is bad. ABR is answering nothing to nobody. It's completely normal to become apathetic.Profont wrote: Note that MTD asked a question to ABR - "why hydras". ABR doesn't respond. Does MTD care about his question?
You really think that you can analyze deadline lynches?In post 529, Hoopla wrote:but at least this is better energy from everyone, ripe for analysis tomorrow.
^In post 549, iamausername wrote:it's cute how Rottweiler and Greymarble are both so sure they're going to be killed tonight.
Explain this to me. Why would scum waste a strongman shot on Night 1?In post 640, iamausername wrote:technically she could be a scum JOAT using a ninja kill, but i don't see scum using their goon to make the N1 kill when they were already a man down if they had the JOAT power available.
I'm both lazy and a liar. Anyway, let's do this.In post 689, Profont wrote:Since that's probably not going to happen, I'll go through them individually tomorrow.
-font
..Because I've had periodic on-off moments about this game, and I accept that I'm probably going to be lynched, which is fine - don't want to survive to mylo with our slot alive, and I haven't done that much to make people seem to think I'm town.In post 785, Hoopla wrote:why are you saying this?In post 784, Profont wrote:We're fine with being PoE lynched toDay as well
..Which is why I'm going to try to analyze and solve the game toDay.In post 816, Shockwave Rider wrote:This looks like bs. There's no reason to be fine with your lynch if your town. It just makes town more likely to lose. Heck I haven't done anything to make myself look like town, but I'm not okay with being lynched. I'm a survivalistic little shit.In post 815, Profont wrote:..Because I've had periodic on-off moments about this game, and I accept that I'm probably going to be lynched, which is fine - don't want to survive to mylo with our slotslot alive, and I haven't done that much to make people seem to think I'm town.
May I ask why?
OK.In post 821, GreyICE wrote:We already mass claimed everyone is VT, Bert is confirmed town. God stop it. Say things that make sense.
Also I really don't know I want to talk to marble
What does everyone think of this? Who would be "scummier" than notscience?Shockwave Rider wrote:Also since scum decided to have notscience make the kill that probably means the other scum was more scummy than him, because they would be more likely to be tracked/roleblocked. I think that makes Profont and iamausername less likely to be scum.
I chuckled at this, but hm, probably.In post 730, Greymarble wrote:I honestly don't think this is scummy, because it's too fucking STUPID to be scummy.
In an open setup with KNOWN three scum, two of whom are DEAD, ABR unvotes IAAU because profont's vote is "scummy", then votes for confirmed town, then votes for someone who ISN'T PROFONT.
ABR, do you have some meta of going FULL FUCKING RETARD you can link to?
Why were you concerned about my big catchup post, near the end of Day 3?In post 827, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 736, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I would like everyone's thoughts on Profont's vote on MTD. It was at the end of a very long post. ISO him.
In post 763, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Profont wrote a very long post when he voted MTD.
In post 765, Albert B. Rampage wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on #513?
---In post 770, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Bertkerberos, read #513 and tell me if Profont is town or scum
A hydra with me in it, yes.In post 828, Bertkerberos wrote:is profont a prophylaxis alt?
Yep.
Fair enough, I guess?In post 837, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Nevermind Profont. I forgot scum don`t know who traitor is.
I know that someone talked about no lynching in a 12 player setup as a strategy on 'Scum, but what does this accomplish other than having Bertkerberos die?In post 838, Greymarble wrote:I'm glad there's still a while before deadline.
We DO have 6 people alive; we should probably no lynch today or tomorrow.
Recalculation soon!
~pIn post 844, Candle Jack wrote:I'm all ready.In post 842, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Good to go?
Greymarble and Bertkerberos are probably the two most experienced players/hydrae in this game, though, and I want their wisdom before we start placing our votes.
font and I have settled on Hoopla toDay, though. She says that Shockwave just "feels" town.
We're never going to be lynched.In post 843, Hoopla wrote: i agree with this. no point no lynching today.
i've suddenly lost motivation for this game. don't know why, but i'm happy settling on my vote for profont. he needs to be one of the lynches either today or tomorrow, so lets just get it done.
Hoopla's entire game has been overcompensating with her reads, and explaining the minute details behind the mentality she expects scum to have.In post 79, Hoopla wrote:[ scum are more likely to overcompensate imo, because that is the nature of lying, and that is exactly what he's doing.