Open 554 - omg, like, jungle republic!! + game over~~

[S and Em]

Ehhhhhhh...

Vote: Kat

[S and Em]

You said you are not

the

Werewolf, which suggests to me:
1. Clever cover-up in which you are a Werewolf but are telling factual truth because you are not the only Wolf, or
2. Clever cover-up in which you are Mafia but are telling factual truth because you are not a Wolf.

Plus I think the wagon on jon is pretty useless because it's so utterly synthetic. Who the hell is going to be able to get anything off that?

[S and Em]

^suggests the second option is the true one

[S and Em]

VOTE: S and Em because that is literally the most annoying username I've ever seen. I either write it "S and em" in which case I start double counting your vote "S and Em voted for..." or S&M in which case everything gets pretty foul - I think I typed "back up S&M" and I just don't want to go there. So the sooner I don't have to write your name, the better

What a fantastic vote. It's almost like nothing else is going on

oh wait

Now, on a more serious note, I haven't seen anything on these three pages I'd take seriously. As such my RVS vote remains.

I've seen several things that I genuinely take seriously. As such, the wagon on you is now the right one despite starting for the wrong reasons.

Vote: jon

PS@NotMaf: Ninja is definitely trying way too hard but that doesn't mean he has to be Scum...

[S and Em]

Even though Kat defended random RVS statement wayyyy too hard imo

[S and Em]

S and Em let's do this townbloc thingy

Allllrighttt

Hmmm. Well, I'd say you, me, NotMaf, and NT, maybe SV on pure contrariness. I'd say Jiffy but he hasn't actually posted anything...

Well, he could be in the ultra-temporary bloc, I suppose.

People emphatically

not

in the townbloc: jon, Kat, and Finglove. But then, that opinion was probably obvious.

md, Wolfy, and JKM have minimal posts each from like 2 days ago. whyyyyyyyyyyyy
Though: for md, 14 is strange given that he could make the opposite joke with wolfy but didn't. Hiding something? Or am I being ridiculously paranoid?
for JKM, he's got one post, looks like it could come from town but who knows that early on in the game?
Wolfy has not provided anything even slightly content-y, except that he could perhaps be more concerned with hunting Wolves than Mafia? TOO PARANOIA


This was good. Thanks for making me think about folks.
What about your concept of the townbloc as it ought to be?

[S and Em]

notmaf

i thought you were townnnnn

why blatant sheep of jiffy nowwww

(also spaces are totes permissible in usernames obvi and dont require a shift key)

wolfy can be defscum now

[S and Em]

wolfy can be defscum now

I thought I was werewolf a few posts back?

Well excuse us for

totally saying that you were a wolf all those times that we said it

, like...

Oh. We didn't.

Also, you can be genScum without being specifically Mafia or Wolf, duh

S&M

looks

Town, for now. He looks like he's trying to stir something up.

hahahaha puns

You're still Scum though.

People emphatically not in the townbloc: jon, Kat, and Finglove.

Can we maybe lynch all of these

Wow you are so good at question answering.

But yes.

[S and Em]

It still all looks very random to me - apart from S and Em insisting he's got so many reads already from RVS.
He is trying way too hard to convince us he's town bloc.

Wait til you're at L-1.

here, let me help.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: S and Em

I don't think you're trying hard enough to play this game.

Fortunately for you, we've got bigger fish to fry.

[S and Em]

shhhh jiffy

tier doesn't want to bus right now

it's ok tier

i gawtchu

[S and Em]

I don't think you're trying hard enough to play this game.

Fair enough comment.
This be my first outside newbie queue and I have to admit to being a bit overwhelmed with the number of players and the seeming randomness of the posting.
(not the posting volume or content - both low)

I can assure you that nothing we have posted thus far has been particularly random.
Well, maybe our second post.

Fortunately for you, we've got bigger fish to fry.

This concerns me... the "you" and the "bigger fish" specifically.

There are only

bigger fish

than

me

if:
1. You are town, think I am mafia, and have some knowledge of who the werewolves (rather than general scum) may be
2. You are scum (mafia or werewolf) and you are after the seer
3. You any alignment and you want to take out the persuasive others who may be dangerous to you

I don't think there is enough information for anybody to have reached the conclusion in 1. yet so that brings it down to 2. or 3.

Uhhhh... none of those really seem to make any sense at all.
What I meant was that you're new yet. The other suspicious people in this game are of a slightly higher playing caliber than you are at present, and therefore I can wait for you to fuck up on your own while I hound them into an early grave.

Fortunately for you...

Why would it be fortunate for

me

whatever team I am? My win condition doesn't require

me

staying alive...

It may not require it, but staying alive generally helps.

It still all looks very random to me - apart from S and Em insisting he's got so many reads already from RVS.
He is trying way too hard to convince us he's town bloc.

Wait til you're at L-1.

here, let me help.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: S and Em

Do you disagree with his reads? Why is getting a ton of reads from RVS necessarily scum faking it?

I neither agree nor disagree with his

reads

- I personally don't believe that they have any validity as

reads

...

Why do you think our reads are invalid? Because they're derived from early in the game? Or because some of them are silly?

Shadows and Lights, in which Koalafied correctly called Scum based on post 37.
As for the silliness? Well, this is a game.

S and Em let's do this townbloc thingy

Allllrighttt

Hmmm. Well, I'd say you, me, NotMaf, and NT, maybe SV on pure contrariness. I'd say Jiffy but he hasn't actually posted anything...

He includes himself.
"Maybe SV on pure contrariness"
"I'd say Jiffy but he hasn't actually posted anything..."

Why would anybody believe those are genuine reads? It's random stirring of the pot.
I have nothing against random stirring of the pot - but let's not pretend they are genuine reads and all sheep him

Early townbloc =/= very serious reads, sorry.
Early townbloc = mostly a joke.

People emphatically

not

in the townbloc: jon, Kat, and Finglove. But then, that opinion was probably obvious.

No information as to why?
No information apart from "that opinion was probably obvious"
Why would anybody believe those are genuine reads?

The opinion should have been obvious because I'd only been talking rather scathingly about those three in every single fucking post.

I now know you kill werewolves with votes

ilu wolfy

People emphatically not in the townbloc: jon, Kat, and Finglove.

Can we maybe lynch all of these

The last Town bloc that was started in my finished games ended in disaster (scum weasled it's way in). For now, I'm happy staying away from any so-called Town bloc.

The secret is not to take them seriously. I never do.

[S and Em]

S and Em, are you a hydra?

We are, though one of us is the more dominant head (no pun intended).
I don't foresee any massive distractions on that front from either of us.

And we're off on vacation this weekend, so

V/LA until Monday

Uhhhh... none of those really seem to make any sense at all.
What I meant was that you're new yet. The other suspicious people in this game are of a slightly higher playing caliber than you are at present, and therefore I can wait for you to fuck up on your own while I hound them into an early grave.

Huh? Totally make no sense. Why would you lynch suspicious by skill level. You lynch by how scummy they are. Or are you scum trying to lynch town of slightly higher playing caliber first?? It make sense this way.

You put all the suspicious players next to each other and when they wind up equally suspicious then you focus your energy on the hard ones first.
The skill level is the more minor concern. Obviously if Wolfy has a breakdown and claims Scum I'm not going to keep pushing jon or Kat until the next day.

[S and Em]

S and Em, are you a hydra?

We are, though one of us is the more dominant head (no pun intended).
I don't foresee any massive distractions on that front from either of us.

If you were truly trying to stay anonymous, you'd edit out your email address. Now, if only I knew who the other head was....

That head was never going to stay anonymous anyway because of all the being on at the same times.

You're not going to find out who the other head is.

ohhhhhh i want to hammer so baaaddddd

[S and Em]

I want to know why enomis is so concerned with NT's opinion of it all. There are 5 other people on that wagon.

[S and Em]

I want to know why enomis is so concerned with NT's opinion of it all. There are 5 other people on that wagon.

He asked me as well of my opinion on the wagon and why I won't part take in it, I think it's more of asking people that were readily accessible.

That's possible, but I still don't like it based on the people he chose to ask.

I want to know why enomis is so concerned with NT's opinion of it all. There are 5 other people on that wagon.

I tend to just ask one or two people on the wagon or at that time where i feel their vote is abit meh. I find that asking 5 people the same question is useless.

See above.

I could flash wagon on jon, we can probably do that too.

Or we could just hammer the claimed VT.

Both ideas I can get behind. Will discuss with partner.

[S and Em]

Both ideas I can get behind. Will discuss with partner.

WOLF SLIP ALERT

OH U

[S and Em]

People I want to vote:
Tier for bad vibes
Jiffy cause I don't trust him and weird finglove wagonstarting
SV for doing not really anything ever, like it but unhelpful srsly
Kat for overdefensiveness and weird finglove wagondislikingbutjoininganyway
Jon for every post, and sheeping jiffy on finglove even though meh reading him

[S and Em]

As I said, I'm not that concerned about Wolfy.

[S and Em]

As I said, I'm not that concerned about Wolfy.

Maybe you should be... I smell scum.

I wish I could vote just for S as Em seems much nicer.

OH U

And Em hasn't posted yet iirc. We're currently playing it like Thor wanted to play Casso.

[S and Em]

For anyone who thinks Katarina's boisterousness is alignment-indicative, that's just her

Nobody said anything about boisterousness.

Not Mafia perhaps, kat and

esp jon

look strictly town.

hahahahahahahaha no

And we're not lynching NT, or at least not today.

[S and Em]

For anyone who thinks Katarina's boisterousness is alignment-indicative, that's just her

Nobody said anything about boisterousness.

What you're calling 'overdefensiveness' in no different than her usual self

Either you and I have very different definitions for those two words, or "boisterousness" isn't relevant to the "overdefensiveness" argument. One of these heads has played with her before. We are not entirely ignorant of her playstyle.

With that said, this sudden Kat-on-jiffy feels extremely odd.

[S and Em]

Scum doesn't say this.

Scum doesn't say "I don't like Townblocs, they're bad" about townblocs they're not even going to be in? How does that work?

Forrrr the record I don't think it tells either way.

Town people:
Kat jon majiffy

wow tier

and here i thought you'd be less blatant about it

first kat now you????

is the entire playerlist on jiffy's dick?????????

BDSM

ilu tier

-well his posting is really awkward actually, 31 is way too serious in tone, while 64 makes me think he is buddies with finglove for the pressure without voting

Because we all have 10 votes to do with what we will, and we all vote newbies first because of course them being new could not possibly also look like them being scummy or anything, that never happens nope.
31 was intended to be a Poe.

[S and Em]

I'm pretty sure I'm sorrier that my reads coincide with jiffy's than you are.

Can you rephrase that last paragraph that is supposed to be your defense because I can't make heads nor tails of it.

do you even sarcasm?

[S and Em]

I still like NT for newb town, Jon appears to have siteflaked, liking S and Em less and less, #250 in particular looks really forced.

"really forced" is really weak. Try again.

Kat and Majiffy are slight town reads, Tier is aswell but to a lesser extent.

OH MY GOD THEY ARE ALL ON JIFFY'S DICK WTF

I SAID IT WOULDN'T STAY SECRET SV

I SAID IT

[S and Em]

You gotta remember that my vote did lead to a mafia death,

Fishing for towncred. Ignores the fact that he voted reasonlessly and late-wagon.

I hate to say it, but I do agree on this point.

Fishing for Towncred is not solely a Scum pursuit, however.

[S and Em]

As far as his IRL stuff: I tend to cut people a lot of slack a time or two when they say that, because I've been there.

As far as his retroactive justification: if he was being real about the IRL stuff then that would somewhat logically follow.

tl;dr: because it's RL I ain't touching it w/a 10' pole.

[S and Em]

Youre isolating it too much. Read it as a whole. Big picture. Hes scum.

Maybe you're isolating it too much, because all I see is some newb who'd really like to stay in the game tyvm.
None of that

has

to come from Scum.

@Tier: But none of those things are particularly alignment-indicative either. Joking can come from anyone, Scum or Town, and his vote could be natural from Town or from a Wolf. Some people handle pressure well. And his reads being wishy-washy is (if not necessarily scummy for him in particular), at the very least, troublesome whether or not he's open about it.

[S and Em]

Wow

wow

that post has almost made me change my mind just by itself

wolfy whyyyy

[S and Em]

wolfy whyyyy

Why what? Why did I question NT when I had previously said I thought he was newbietown?
Answered in the two posts - 293 was the trigger, it didn't look newbietown. I went back and looked and 233 prompted questions.

No. Why did you ask him for elaboration when he already elaborated and why did you suddenly and blatantly start sheeping with everyone else and why does much of that post also look like coaching?

Naked reads ew

Explain pls

2nd/3rd

Vote: Wolfy

[S and Em]

No. Why did you ask him for elaboration when he already elaborated and why did you suddenly and blatantly start sheeping with everyone else and why does much of that post also look like coaching?

No, he didn't elaborate - in 233 he said:

Sorry for my empty reasoning or lack of an explanation I was super busy those few days and could really only make dodge pod posts

I am asking him to elaborate now - unless he is still super busy of course.

Can you explain "much of that post looks like coaching" please? I know what the word coaching means but i'm not clear what the accusation is here.
Thanks

He elaborated in that same post, and I am accusing you of being partners with him.

[S and Em]

I think if he is it's with Wolfy.

[S and Em]

I think if he is it's with Wolfy.

According to you we're scum partners - so you should be equally comfortable voting me or him.
He's at L-1 - so drop the hammer - then you can push forward the case to lynch me tomorrow.
Why split the vote? If we're both scum join the bigger wagon.

That's not what I actually said. Good try though.

can we pls vote S & Em soon (after this maybe)

If we hit scum again, I am definitely down with lynching S&M for lulz.

Well fuck you guys too then.

[S and Em]

So... if he's not your scummiest, who is? Seems like that post has less information than it appears to.

[S and Em]

Also, pretty much everyone's weighed in on him at this point, so plenty of info in those interactions. Not sure why you'd think there wouldn't be.

[S and Em]

I never said there wasn't much information on this topic.

He's not my first choice for today's lynch because at this point he's not my scummiest and because

neither a successful or unsuccessful Ninja lynch provides us with much information

going into tomorrow.

[S and Em]

Oh, future information. Well, that's an entirely different thing.

Sure, I'll stand behind that statement.

The thing about a Ninja lynch is that if he flips town it's very hard to draw any conclusions about the folks on his wagon because he's been such a consistently suspicious figure. And it's hard to draw any conclusions about the folks who fought against it because the ways in which he's been so shady are mostly consistent with a flailing, inexperienced player. This is not to say that it provides us with no information. I just don't think it would provide us with much.

Well, on that point I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

But if you’re town the number of teams is really quite meaningless. There are always only two teams. The righteous and the evil.

I'm not sure I agree with this but will save discussion for after Wolfy answers your question.

[S and Em]

cannot decide if Justin is Town for SoC or Scum for somewhat IIoA

hmmmmmmmmm

Town.

And Jiffy can stop being terrible soon.

ridiculous

[S and Em]

I HAVE NEVER ALTSLIPPED BEFORE THIS GAME EVEN WTF

[S and Em]

streeeeeam of consciousnesssssssssss

[S and Em]

Well, now we know that S and M is an experienced player.

I slipped earlier and confirmed that we're a hydra. Good to know you've been reading along with the rest of us.

Honestly the game was just moving slow so I jumped on the larger wagon for fingelove, as far for having a read on fingelove the dog really did eat it, in other words I never had one.

Then why did you lie and say you did?

When you're among the first who lynched a scum and pushed for that scum's wagon I'd like to think you're not in the same faction as the scum. He's the 2nd to vote? If I recall correctly and me reading Enomis wrong and pinning FingLove to him warrants me to redo my reads.

There was a flip, and that flip was scum. That scumflip would obviously directly affect my reads. I'm no tunnelfuck :3

So how did you draw the conclusion that he was Town rather than Wolf?

[S and Em]

*and also confirmed

[S and Em]

@Lia: Hello! Are you an alt?

@Justin: Define good.

[S and Em]

I find that SoC players are easier to read. It's not always an easy thing to fake a thought process, and if I can trace it back rather than guess...

[S and Em]

It's a temporary read considering I'm hunting Mafia off of that wagon, not the Wolf.

...ok. And why hunt Mafia over the Wolves, who have a nightkill?

[S and Em]

I'm all caught up now and can't see any reason not to lynch NT, but I'd really like to hear more from mnemonic first because he's the only one I haven't been able to get an idea about apart from not liking the way he backtracked on Finglove. While waiting for that I'm going to vote Wolfy as he's my top suspicion.

First impressions give me Kat, NM and Majiffy as town, NT, Wolfy, TS, S & M, and possibly Justin as scum. I'll go into more detail in future posts.

Vote: Wolfy

I can sort of understand all your reads except the Justin one. Explain that one first please.

@Tier: Stop being silly. For instance, his mnem read looks to me like "he's lurking so it's hard to say but his posts have all been bad so maybescum". You are confbiasing the shit out of everything because you want to be right and Jiffy to be right and this game to be easy but it isn't, and Justin is the towniest Town right now so you better back the fuck up before I cut you, because I will go to bat on this one and I will bring my metaphorical knife-bat.

[S and Em]

Gm why is justin town?

If I assume you're asking this to my head of this hydra, it's because the places where his reads come from make sense, the questions he's asked are decent, and I'm apparently reading different things from his posts than you are.

[S and Em]

Honestly the game was just moving slow so I jumped on the larger wagon for fingelove, as far for having a read on fingelove the dog really did eat it, in other words I never had one.

Lets keep an eye on the prize here, NT has openly admitted to lying about the finglove jump. This is a scumclaim.

Fine. I'll hammer him after Tier decides that explaining himself would be a good idea.

[S and Em]

If I thought mnemonic was actually going to contribute then I'd have included him. I'm happy to wait til you feel you're done though.

[S and Em]

wow this is some piss-poor activity

if lia and tier don't get their shit together soon i'm hammering; this stalling isn't helping the game at all.

[S and Em]

ewwwwww fuck that and fuck tier too for being a giant asshole

Vote: NT

[S and Em]

Vote: mnem

I think this one's pretty self-explanatory.

[S and Em]

For that blinding flash of insight I could almost vote you again.

[S and Em]

People I won't vote today: Justin, Lia, maybe Jiffy. Maybe.

[S and Em]

@S and Em
I thought you would hop on too - you thought I was buddies with NT.

I like the mnem wagon at the moment, though I wouldn't say no to voting you.
There are motivations and

motivations

.

[S and Em]

Hmmmmm is this townflail or scumflail???

[S and Em]

Last night I literally dreamed he flipped Wolf and I was super excited.

And then I woke up to this crippling indecision and distaste for voting anyone Jiffy's voting.

So tell me Jiffy, when Wolfy flips Wolf will we get another Maf the next day? Or will you want to keep your last partner?

(MafJiffy was also in the dream.)

[S and Em]

I'M S, I DO WHAT I WANT