Open 558: Hope Plus 1 (GAME OVER!)

[tn5421]

Hi everyone!

VOTE: egg

Hat!

[tn5421]

screw you I was about to get first ;w;

vote: tn

You have no idea how hard I lurked to get first post.

[tn5421]

in other news, this is the debut of the pieguyn x displaced hydra \o/

we'll sign if it's necessary, but last time I hydra'd everyone told me it was obvious who was me and I'm lazy so

-pie

No worries pie.
At least this isn't going to go like the game I modded offsite (the one where setsuen walled everyone to death)

[tn5421]

Vote: Armageddon

For being home schooled

stahp, you'll bring armageddon down upon us!

[tn5421]

@awestfie - I coulda swore I was town. Maybe you misread your role pm.

tn5421, you seem awfully worried about that Armageddon vote. What gives?

I'm not, I thought it would be funny.

"If you say his name, armageddon will break out"

[tn5421]

VOTE: Vote awestfie

Because she obviously just claimed scum.... Right?

@awestfie - I coulda swore I was town. Maybe you misread your role pm.

Obviously awest betrayed her partner and now he's despirately trying to avoid them being lynched.


Obvious scum is obvious.

Dude, are you ok?

VOTE: Armageddon

[tn5421]

@tn:

what made you think Arm's post was serious?

I didn't think it was more or less serious than normal RVS shenanigans.

[tn5421]

I think awestfie is a cop because cops are usually cautious about their votes and awestfie is not voting.

Randomidget, on the other hand, is just AFK.

My reads so far from Town > Mafia: awestfie > everyone else

Timezone difference.
We could have one doc claim and the cop claim, then the other doc protects the cop...

No. The doc dies for no reason night one then, because they can't be protected. Then the cop becomes macho and dies n2. I don't care if it was said before.

[tn5421]

tn, there's a serious discrepancy between your 25 and 47, I'm not the first to point it out either. I'd appreciate if that was explained.

Wicked, I really want the reasoning behind that vote, I don't follow it at all.

I don't know what you're talking about, rvs vote, rvs reason, rvs comment.

49 is a lot more suspicious than anything else that has happened. Also, I fixed your post tags in the quote.

[tn5421]

So 47 wasn't sincere? Thanks.

So you're absolutely fucking retarded? Thanks for letting me know early.

[tn5421]

Guys, can we please lynch the scum already? I want to relax and watch the World Cup!

@tn:

what made you think Arm's post was serious?

I didn't think it was more or less serious than normal RVS shenanigans.

So why did you treat the post as if it was serious?

@stabsinthe- bandwagons are good for the town. Pressuring players to get telling reactions, analyzing who got on/off the wagon and for what reasons, and forcing others to take a stance on the bandwagoned player.

Stabsinthe is clearly inexperienced, but my main issue with him is for post 73. He seems to be explaining why he has me as his scummiest read, but he says, "now why did I say you were the towniest?". It looks like he called me towniest when he meant to call me scummiest. Possible scum slip.

More in a second (I'm phone posting)

tn, there's a serious discrepancy between your 25 and 47, I'm not the first to point it out either. I'd appreciate if that was explained.

Wicked, I really want the reasoning behind that vote, I don't follow it at all.

I don't know what you're talking about, rvs vote, rvs reason, rvs comment.

49 is a lot more suspicious than anything else that has happened. Also, I fixed your post tags in the quote.

I don't understand how any of this means that I'm treating it too seriously. Except for the part where you literally won't shut the fuck up about something that isn't actually happening.

tn5421, why would you random vote twice? And also;

49 is a lot more suspicious than anything else that has happened. Also, I fixed your post tags in the quote.

If you feel that Stabsinthe is suspicious, then why are you still random voting?

Ah. I could have sworn I moved that vote. Thanks for pointing this out.

VOTE: Stabsinthe

RVS reason: Because your name is similar to Absinthe, which is hella hard.
Non RVS Reasons:
1) 48 & 49 shows you clearly trying too hard to appear town before you even pick up your role pm.
2) 52 & 58 are blatant attempts from you to buddy up to awestfie.
3) 65 & 68, in which you instruct townies to reveal the town PRs to everyone.
4) The rest of your posts where you attempt to look legitimate.

[tn5421]

3) 65 & 68, in which you instruct townies to reveal the town PRs to everyone.

Don't fail pls. There was no 'instructing'. People just kind of 'picked up the idea'.

You might want to reread that part.

You still advocated/advised it.

[tn5421]

This is not to mention that tn5421 do not know how to use

tags or press the 'Quote' or 'Q+' button.

I have multiquote / quote by selection disabled because it messes up my posts.

I have a power role. That justifies me not telling you my change of stance.

VOTE: Marcrell

No, it really isn't.

Stabs, selfvoting gets you absolutely no where.

I'm willing to believe that stabs is genuinely macho doctor at this point, it explains his change up at the beginning rather nicely. Moreover, I don't see any reason why mafia would fish doctor rather than cop.

Sigh, there goes my solid case.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thomas

I'll read over armaggedon when I have more time. I think I tried already once and decided he didn't have enough content, we'll see.
Don't think those lines are particularly partner inclusive though stabs.

Fishing and killing a doctor would make the cop become macho.

[tn5421]

176: Not that I need help messing up my posts.

It doesn't matter if I keep my vote on stab or not, he will die by tomorrow because the mafia simply won't be able to pass up this opportunity.

[tn5421]

Obvious shit

[tn5421]

k

[tn5421]

Because none of your 'evidence' was legitimate.

[tn5421]

Hi, tn, keeping your vote on probable doc is incredibly bad play. Them being night killed is a heck of a lot different than us wasting our lynch on them.

awestfie, why'd you exclude post #47, post #113 and post #127? They're tn's most contributing statements, and by excluding them you're only hurting your own case.

He can't hurt a case that he doesn't have.

[tn5421]

Actually, I'm curious.

Do you still weakly scum-read tn here or has your read changed, Ragnarok?

No, it hasn't. I am, however, remaining objective here.

Tn, she has a case against you, it's not terrible either. Insulting people's logic is certainly a way to play but it's

definitely not

pro-town.

(s)he doesn't

really

have a case though. (s)he cherrypicked and got caught.

[tn5421]

Maybe I'll vote tn5421 instead. After all, he/she/it has a scum probability 0f 99.999%, 0.999% more than Armageddon's scum probability of 99%.

On the other hand, if Armageddon flips scum, it would confirm what I already know: The Mafioso consists of tn5421 and Wickedestjr (in addition to the dead Armageddon).

I wish I could just vote all three of them.

Have you even seen me play scum?

[tn5421]

Actually, I'm curious.

Do you still weakly scum-read tn here or has your read changed, Ragnarok?

No, it hasn't. I am, however, remaining objective here.

Tn, she has a case against you, it's not terrible either. Insulting people's logic is certainly a way to play but it's

definitely not

pro-town.

(s)he doesn't

really

have a case though. (s)he cherrypicked and got caught.

'Caught by someone else' is the key phrase here. Why didn't you point out the fallacy and properly defend yourself? Let's assume for a minute that I wasn't here, and I didn't notice that. The comments that she quoted does make it look like you're overly filling. What do you do then?

Thomas, explain both those reads please.

I would have to have cross-referenced it myself. I would have made a very passive-aggressive post about it if I'd been the person to discover it.

[tn5421]

My play so far has been bad, I won't contest that.

VOTE: Thomas

This is L-1, done entirely on purpose, I assure you (PPE)

I can agree with the reasoning based on his posts being even shittier than mine.

[tn5421]

im at L-1???

Nah, you aren't.

Vote: Thomas

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I'd rather have you lynched now rather than later, considering the fact that by isolating your posts I see nothing but a lack of even trying.

Your initial vote on me over at post 26 which you claimed to be a RVS in post 99 just bothers me. Why would you feel the need to RVS twice? It seemed to me like you took Armageddon's post on the first page (24) seriously and that you tried and jump into what you thought was going to be a wagon.

Post 202, 204 and 208 are all useless; especially 208, you unvoted someone (without giving a reason) to vote someone (without also giving a reason.)

As for your "I'm at L-1?" post.. well, why would you even ask that question instead of defending yourself? I legit can't understand, it has been just over 3 hours since that post and you haven't cared enough to come back and say something to defend yourself.

There's no way you're town here and I'm sorry to the people who wanted to out their reads/thoughts here (Wicked/Ragnarok;) this just needs to be done asap.

Normally hammer w/o claim would make me mad, but you've got a point that he had the opportunity and didn't take it.

[tn5421]

Go home with your loaded questions, you're not drunk enough anymore.

[tn5421]

Not caring might not be scum, but it is anti-town.

[tn5421]

might not be scummy ****

[tn5421]

I voted him because he was acting against the towns' interests. Regardless of whether he got a town or scum pm.

[tn5421]

it was a policy lynch thats what

This is coming from the guy that deliberately confused things as much as possible, so you'll forgive me if I don't give a fuck what you have to say.

[tn5421]

VOTE: awestfie

Quickhammers are bad, mkay.

[tn5421]

@MOD: The topic still says night 1 >.<

[tn5421]

The quickhammer came out of left field, I won't be putting anyone else at L-1 as long as awestfie is still alive now that I know she's the kind of person to make people go splat.

[tn5421]

I'm not big on soccer / non-american football.

[tn5421]

Tn:
229 and 273: Putting Thomas to L-1 without any stated reason, and then blaming awe for quick-hammering after it became obvious that she will be under pressure for doing that. I think when several people stated suspicions on himself (like when i told i will iso him, and awe voted him), he decided to push the wagon on Thomas.
254: Wow, this post is scummy as hell. Voting somebody that you don't believe to be scum. Gotta be kidding.
301: Refusing to defend himself deliberately, trying to be low-profile. Why would a townie do that?

Awe shouldn't have quickhammered then, I was more interested in information.
Anti-Town is one step away from scum.
Because I fucking feel like it.

[tn5421]

LOOK AT ALL OF THESE PRODS.

OH! MY! GOD!

[tn5421]

Tn:
229 and 273: Putting Thomas to L-1 without any stated reason, and then blaming awe for quick-hammering after it became obvious that she will be under pressure for doing that. I think when several people stated suspicions on himself (like when i told i will iso him, and awe voted him), he decided to push the wagon on Thomas.
254: Wow, this post is scummy as hell. Voting somebody that you don't believe to be scum. Gotta be kidding.
301: Refusing to defend himself deliberately, trying to be low-profile. Why would a townie do that?

Awe shouldn't have quickhammered then, I was more interested in information.
Anti-Town is one step away from scum.
Because I fucking feel like it.

You were more interested in information, and yet you made no effort to actually get that information from Thomas before the lynch went down, why?

I figured that we had plenty of time so I went afk to do things IRL, when I got back awest had hammered.

[tn5421]

Hahahaha. You made absolutely no effort trying to find the scum yesterday, you had plenty of time and all you did is vote opportunistically; if you honestly wanted information, you would've said that you wanted to put Thomas at L-1 (without actually doing it) and asked him to explain his play; which is the total opposite of what you did. That way, he knows that he'll be close to being lynched if he doesn't start giving reads / explaining some of his posts/thoughts, etc.

Going off this logic, couldn't you have also said that you wanted to hammer Thomas and ask him to explain his play? That would provide even more incentive for him to start giving reads and explaining his posts/thoughts. Instead we got nothing from Thomas and he was mislynched without a claim, unexpectedly.

Except that I did not care for Thomas to explain himself? He had plenty of time to out reads and explain the reasoning behind his passive play. It's not like I made a comment like "explain yourself," where as in tn did; which was completely bullshit, by the way.

Him being at L-1 gave him plenty of incentive to start giving reads, and even then; he still didn't do it.

I was at a job interview when I got put at L-1, when I got home I crashed and didn't wake up until now.

Not all of us have unlimited leisure time to sit around and play mafia, this is a big part of why I'm annoyed at you.

Or, you could, you know.. just vote tn, since it's like really obvious that he's scum.

This is coming from the person that flash-hammers to deny town information.

It's not "rushing" the lynch, christ. He very obviously contradicted himself by the actions he had yesterday and the things he wrote today. He's your scum-read, yet; you unvote him because you don't want the day to end quickly with a scum lynched? Doesn't make any sense to me.

It's because I'm not scum and you probably

know

that.

[tn5421]

I'm a vt.

[tn5421]

Just vote me already so I can not be playing multiple games.

[tn5421]

You could self hammer but only if you are scum and know that a vt claim will never save you. Don't do it if you are town though or a bunch of people including me will never play with you again.

I only self-hammer in games where I can't stand the mod, so it won't happen here.

[tn5421]

Doing a reverse timeline post on awestfie.

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Tn, would appreciate a role claim here.

Scum.

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The thing is, now I don't know who the scum on the mislynch was...

Yeah.. me neither..

Just kidding. tn's scum.

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Hahahaha. You made absolutely no effort trying to find the scum yesterday, you had plenty of time and all you did is vote opportunistically; if you honestly wanted information, you would've said that you wanted to put Thomas at L-1 (without actually doing it) and asked him to explain his play; which is the total opposite of what you did. That way, he knows that he'll be close to being lynched if he doesn't start giving reads / explaining some of his posts/thoughts, etc.

Going off this logic, couldn't you have also said that you wanted to hammer Thomas and ask him to explain his play? That would provide even more incentive for him to start giving reads and explaining his posts/thoughts. Instead we got nothing from Thomas and he was mislynched without a claim, unexpectedly.

Except that I did not care for Thomas to explain himself? He had plenty of time to out reads and explain the reasoning behind his passive play. It's not like I made a comment like "explain yourself," where as in tn did; which was completely bullshit, by the way.

Him being at L-1 gave him plenty of incentive to start giving reads, and even then; he still didn't do it.

I was at a job interview when I got put at L-1, when I got home I crashed and didn't wake up until now.

Not all of us have unlimited leisure time to sit around and play mafia, this is a big part of why I'm annoyed at you.

Or, you could, you know.. just vote tn, since it's like really obvious that he's scum.

This is coming from the person that flash-hammers to deny town information.

It's not "rushing" the lynch, christ. He very obviously contradicted himself by the actions he had yesterday and the things he wrote today. He's your scum-read, yet; you unvote him because you don't want the day to end quickly with a scum lynched? Doesn't make any sense to me.

It's because I'm not scum and you probably

know

that.

First response: I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about Thomas, good work though.

Second response: If you really cared, you'd never have put him at L-1.

Third response: I'm 100% sure you're scum, else I wouldn't be voting you. Nor would I be pushing Ragnarok to vote you. He clearly scum-reads you, which he voiced, so the fact that you're saying "it's because I'm not scum" is nothing but stupid.

1: I don't give a fuck if you were talking to me or not.
2: Not really.
3: None of your actual points made sense, so your justification is plenty thin.

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It's not "rushing" the lynch, christ. He very obviously contradicted himself by the actions he had yesterday and the things he wrote today. He's your scum-read, yet; you unvote him because you don't want the day to end quickly with a scum lynched? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Or, you could, you know.. just vote tn, since it's like really obvious that he's scum.

Only to you. You need someone to 'blame', after all.

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And, if you seriously believe my vote is "weird," wicked; you honestly need to re-read my game and you'll see that it's far from that. The fact that you think tn's town is what's "weird" here because tn has failed to do anything even remotely townie this game; and on top of that, when I did try and get him to talk about the things I've scum-read him about all he had to say is one-liners in an attempt to discredit my read on him. There's no possible way you can think this guy's town.

Reminder that when I was voting tn yesterday, his only defense was: "none of your evidence is legitimate," rather than try and help me understand his alignment easier. He was only attempting to discredit the read I had on him by saying that I didn't have a case. He made no attempt to explain the things I had said to him on the first day and just quickly moved away from my read on him without saying anything valuable.

You must be insane to think I would help you in any capacity.

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Oh, and for the people who've trouble reading.

Tn is seriously contradicting himself.

He calls my action anti-town despite the fact that he openly admitted that he put Thomas at L-1 on purpose. If he didn't want Thomas to be quick-hammered; he would've never put him at L-1. The fact that he's voting me today is incredibly hypocritical considering he pretty much did the same thing as I, except; I had an actual reason behind voting Thomas. Tn's vote looked opportunistic, there really was no scum hunting behind the vote. (Hint: ISO tn, and you'll see what I mean.) He was really just taking advantage at the fact that Thomas was at L-2 and hoped for someone to hammer.

Tn:
229 and 273: Putting Thomas to L-1 without any stated reason, and then blaming awe for quick-hammering after it became obvious that she will be under pressure for doing that. I think when several people stated suspicions on himself (like when i told i will iso him, and awe voted him), he decided to push the wagon on Thomas.
254: Wow, this post is scummy as hell. Voting somebody that you don't believe to be scum. Gotta be kidding.
301: Refusing to defend himself deliberately, trying to be low-profile. Why would a townie do that?

Awe shouldn't have quickhammered then, I was more interested in information.
Anti-Town is one step away from scum.
Because I fucking feel like it.

You were more interested in information, and yet you made no effort to actually get that information from Thomas before the lynch went down, why?

I figured that we had plenty of time so I went afk to do things IRL, when I got back awest had hammered.

Hahahaha. You made absolutely no effort trying to find the scum yesterday, you had plenty of time and all you did is vote opportunistically; if you honestly wanted information, you would've said that you wanted to put Thomas at L-1 (without actually doing it) and asked him to explain his play; which is the total opposite of what you did. That way, he knows that he'll be close to being lynched if he doesn't start giving reads / explaining some of his posts/thoughts, etc.

The only contradiction that exists here is the one you invented.

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Alternatively, you could vote tn.

Vote: tn5421

.

Going back to this, never unvoting this time.

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Didn't want to let him claim?

He was at L-1, posted and didn't claim; 3 hours passed and still nothing.

It's fine. If he was a power role (which he isn't) he'd have claimed in his previous post.

This is the point where I started scumreading awestfie.

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im at L-1???

Nah, you aren't.

Vote: Thomas

.

I'd rather have you lynched now rather than later, considering the fact that by isolating your posts I see nothing but a lack of even trying.

Your initial vote on me over at post 26 which you claimed to be a RVS in post 99 just bothers me. Why would you feel the need to RVS twice? It seemed to me like you took Armageddon's post on the first page (24) seriously and that you tried and jump into what you thought was going to be a wagon.

Post 202, 204 and 208 are all useless; especially 208, you unvoted someone (without giving a reason) to vote someone (without also giving a reason.)

As for your "I'm at L-1?" post.. well, why would you even ask that question instead of defending yourself? I legit can't understand, it has been just over 3 hours since that post and you haven't cared enough to come back and say something to defend yourself.

There's no way you're town here and I'm sorry to the people who wanted to out their reads/thoughts here (Wicked/Ragnarok;) this just needs to be done asap.

"Theres no way you're town"
"Thomas flips town"
Huh. How about that.

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Actually, I'm curious.

Do you still weakly scum-read tn here or has your read changed, Ragnarok?

Hi, tn, keeping your vote on probable doc is incredibly bad play. Them being night killed is a heck of a lot different than us wasting our lynch on them.

awestfie, why'd you exclude post #47, post #113 and post #127? They're tn's most contributing statements, and by excluding them you're only hurting your own case.

He can't hurt a case that he doesn't have.

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Oh, and I excluded your "obvious shit" and "k" comments cause they had more content than anything else you said this game.

You mentioned that you excluded these, and stated that they had more content than the rest of his posts. With the excluded posts recovered this is clearly not the case. I'd like to explain what you were intending to do by making a blanket case like this?

As for the comments above, I disapprove of them almost as much as the rest of their content. I don't think they're particularly alignment specific though.

Re-read my before-the-last post and you'll get your answer again. (Hint: the "great posts" comment was sarcasm (they're actually shit posts!) and his "obvious shit" and "k" comments were clearly attempts to discredit my read on him ("oh, I don't care about your read, you can go fuck off!"); and again, I sarcastically made fun of his posts because he failed to do anything after I pointed out why I thought he was scum.)

It's not a blanket case, he is fillering over and over and pointing out obvious mechanics - which everyone who signed up for this game for should know. And honestly, I don't mind that much when people explain mechanics, but when other people have already explained them and you go ahead and repeat, then yes; I do see it as a scum-tell.

Read: You needed an excuse.

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Hi, tn, keeping your vote on probable doc is incredibly bad play. Them being night killed is a heck of a lot different than us wasting our lynch on them.

awestfie, why'd you exclude post #47, post #113 and post #127? They're tn's most contributing statements, and by excluding them you're only hurting your own case.

Great was sarcasm. Three "good" posts doesn't make up for the amount of filler posts he has. I'm not hurting my "case" at all.

So you refuse to believe you're wrong, basically.

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I'm tired of looking at awestfie's posts at this point but I'm pretty sure I've made my point by now.

[tn5421]

Lmfao, I literally just read what tn said and all of it is just attacks to my reads without any sort of explanation behind the things he has said - how surprising.

"I'm pretty sure I've made my point by now." Yeah, except the point that you've made is that you clearly don't want to put any fucking effort in this game, and I'd honestly be really disappointed if you were town here because I've given you plenty of chances yesterday to try and explain yourself (even before the Thomas lynch) and even today you can't even defend yourself when your at L-1.

And yeah, I don't see a point responding to your last post because most of it is you misreading what I said; and honestly, you put absolutely no effort in that post; which again, doesn't surprise me. You talked earlier in the game about how this wasn't your scum meta, right? So, you're saying your scum meta isn't playing like absolute fucking garbage? Like seriously, ISO your own self and fucking tell me how you've been remotely townie.

Now, fuck off with your one liners and your implications that I'm "making up" reads - because, if you seriously believed that my reads were made up, you wouldn't be at L-1; fucking get it through your head that people actually do FoS you and that there is a fucking case on you, so either you go with your stupid "lynch me, I don't care" route, or you play the fucking game you signed up for. Up to you.

Why should I defend myself from your quickhammer and your diverting of suspicion?

I love how you don't explain how any of what I said is misreading, since that would require that you put forth actual effort to fake evidence.

Because you built a failwagon around me; which to be fair is decent play as scum, but I'm going to be fucking pissed if you flip town later.

[tn5421]

Am not scum.

...are you seriously competing with me for 'worst contributor'?

[tn5421]

Considering what happened the last time someone was put at L-1, why has Boonskiies's vote not raised all kinds of red flags with anyone else?

[tn5421]

Considering what happened the last time someone was put at L-1, why has Boonskiies's vote not raised all kinds of red flags with anyone else?

Because Awestife is already on the wagon, I am pretty sure tn will flip town. He is playing like a VI.

I suppose that scum can't quickhammer if the scum is already on the wagon.

[tn5421]

#4 - This one, please read carefully, I asked him WHY he made no effort to get information from thomas, when he had stated in the previous post that he was more interested in information. While I suppose I cannot fight against the "Parroting" of this post, they were my genuine opinions and if it makes me a parrot by sharing my opinions if they've been said before, then so be it, I would rather be a parrot then not say anything at all. I have not played Mafia in 2 years, as such I am very rusty about generating my own reads.

I thought I had time so I went to do things IRL instead of asking the questions immediately. I didn't expect a quickhammer.

[tn5421]

#4 - This one, please read carefully, I asked him WHY he made no effort to get information from thomas, when he had stated in the previous post that he was more interested in information. While I suppose I cannot fight against the "Parroting" of this post, they were my genuine opinions and if it makes me a parrot by sharing my opinions if they've been said before, then so be it, I would rather be a parrot then not say anything at all. I have not played Mafia in 2 years, as such I am very rusty about generating my own reads.

I thought I had time so I went to do things IRL instead of asking the questions immediately. I didn't expect a quickhammer.

So wouldn't it of been more logical to not put him on L-1 until you were ready to ask those questions?

As I said before, I was not expecting a quickhammer. It caught me extremely off guard.