Open 566: Murder on the Oriental Express (Game Over)

[curiouskarmadog]

You need a colon when voting

also since when? dont think i have used one all game.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think you are scum CKD. No offense or anything, but that's how I see it. The only plausible options are you and GC.

no "offense" taken.

I dont think I have any options.

lets say GC/titus is scum? and we lynch....farside.

and scum kills you tonight..

GC, titus, me...I am an easy lynch.

lets say farside is scum...and we lynch...uhhh titus/GC

and scum kills titus/GC

that leave titus/GC, you, and me...I am an easy lynch.

if I have ANY chance to win this game...I need to be out of picture.

[curiouskarmadog]

oh shit...forgot about CDB.

[curiouskarmadog]

thats 6..

ugh...

unvote, vote no lynch.

kill me tomorrow.

[curiouskarmadog]

6 today...we lynch me.

4 tomorrow.

harder for us to win.


no lynch today...make 5 for tomorrow...lynching me, then makes lylo better at 3 (versus 4).

[curiouskarmadog]

oh I see.


nevermind...no lynch at 4...

okay,

unvote, vote CKD

[curiouskarmadog]

VOTE: Riddleton

Don't really feel like lynching CKD anymore.

ONLY SCUM WANTS TO KEEP ME ALIVE UNTIL LYLO....

just an fyi.

[curiouskarmadog]

also if Riddleton ends up being scum...I am quitting this game for a LONG TIME>

[curiouskarmadog]

let me put it to you this way.

if you DONT lynch me today...if I should ever get into this same position again and I am actually scum, I will say/do EXACTLY what I am doing now to get out of a lynch.

dont reward this behavior.

[curiouskarmadog]

actually I take that back...because someone might meta this.

(I am looking at you future meta person).

[curiouskarmadog]

I apparently dont get it, or completely dont understand the theory behind this game.


again lets say titus, GC, CDB, or farside are scum...they leave me alive today because "they dont think I am scum (today)". we get to lylo and they (titusscum, GCscum, CDBscum, or farsidescum) leave me and riddleton alive for lylo?


who is getting the rope?

sweet god if you are town...if you think I am scum...or you dont want me to get to lylo...we need to do this now.


here let me give you a little motivation. if we dont hang me I will start scum hunting again....given my track record in this game, nobody wants that.

furthermore, I will probably be voting CDB...so CDB, get your vote on me while the getting is good.

or...farside...you might get my vote dear...sooooo..did you ever address GC's point about why you ignored my question about your scramble's case.


see


I have already started..

[curiouskarmadog]

farside if you are scum (and this "skimming the game" thing is a ploy like GC said) I will always vote you when you get busy.

so this.

^^^ To further expound why farside-town

would

want to mention her previous suspicions of scrambles: farside thought that without a majority, there would be a no lynch. No lynches are obviously not good for the town. You would therefore want to persuade others to vote for the candidate you believe has the best chance to reach a majority vote hours before the deadline --

even if

you're simply attempting to avoid a no lynch. One way to help persuade others would be to mention all the suspicions you have previously posted about the player you think is best able to reach a majority vote.

farside didn't do that.

Even worse, CKD prompted her to mention all of her scrambles suspicions in this post, hours before the deadline:

Well my vote seems to go no where and the cbd "case" is pretty lacking.

Vote: scrambles

so why vote here?

was there a case you saw (ie didnt skim over) you thought was good?

farside posted again before the deadline (Post 1640), but ignored this opportunity to help bolster a scrambles vote.

UNVOTE: CKD
VOTE: farside

When I went back to figure out what I thought you were flawed about..I reread this.

In posted this in 1636. I thought farside was scum and was just voting scrablestown because it was an easy lynch.

GC is right, she did go on in 1640 and quote a bunch of my posts and DID miss this post.

also,

unvote

if I get to lylo and I am instantly lynched, consider this your "I told you so" post.

[curiouskarmadog]

[quote="In post 2188,
~*~ So sayeth GC, Ambassador to the thread from the Asshole Kingdom. ~*~[/quote]
should be your new signature.

also, I can be as scummy as I want to be right now...what is worse thing that could happen?...oh yeah, you lynch me. which would (again) be the best thing for us.

going to read a bit when I have time tomorrow.

[curiouskarmadog]

You all should sheep me on CKD!

I did, no traction.

[curiouskarmadog]

it is all part of my devious scum plan.

[curiouskarmadog]

I know for a fact that I am town,

weird statement.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote CKD

now lets do this thing.

[curiouskarmadog]

actually wait a minute.

unvote

UNVOTE: farside
VOTE: CKD

I know for a fact that I am town, and I think I have played less scummy than farside. I will be happy to try to convince you that farside is more likely scum than myself if CKD is in fact town.

how the fuck do you know that riddleton will be around after I flip town?

[curiouskarmadog]

furthermore, how the fuck do you know that farside will be around to try to convince riddleton of anything?

vote GC.

[curiouskarmadog]

caught you in a slip, then you get insulting.

nice.

[curiouskarmadog]

also you are voting me, so shouldnt this be?

It's indicative of you being

dense

scummy.

[curiouskarmadog]

FARSIDE?

TAKE 3?

the more you dont comment on this the more I think that GC actually has a point with this.

farside if you are scum (and this "skimming the game" thing is a ploy like GC said) I will always vote you when you get busy.

so this.

^^^ To further expound why farside-town

would

want to mention her previous suspicions of scrambles: farside thought that without a majority, there would be a no lynch. No lynches are obviously not good for the town. You would therefore want to persuade others to vote for the candidate you believe has the best chance to reach a majority vote hours before the deadline --

even if

you're simply attempting to avoid a no lynch. One way to help persuade others would be to mention all the suspicions you have previously posted about the player you think is best able to reach a majority vote.

farside didn't do that.

Even worse, CKD prompted her to mention all of her scrambles suspicions in this post, hours before the deadline:

Well my vote seems to go no where and the cbd "case" is pretty lacking.

Vote: scrambles

so why vote here?

was there a case you saw (ie didnt skim over) you thought was good?

farside posted again before the deadline (Post 1640), but ignored this opportunity to help bolster a scrambles vote.

UNVOTE: CKD
VOTE: farside

When I went back to figure out what I thought you were flawed about..I reread this.

In posted this in 1636. I thought farside was scum and was just voting scrablestown because it was an easy lynch.

GC is right, she did go on in 1640 and quote a bunch of my posts and DID miss this post.

[curiouskarmadog]

In 1636, I asked you what your case against scrambles was.

You didnt answer my question, but you did post a lot of my quotes in 1640 indicating that you did read my ISO.

GC's point is if you really wanted to push the scrambles lynch, why didnt you address my question in 1636? You clearly saw my question.

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm starting to rethink GC.
I need to check to see if I'm going crazy.

I know why I think GC is scummy..

what are you checking here?

[curiouskarmadog]

Since I know for a fact that I am not scum

, and if CKD flips and ends up not being scum, then I at least have one other person I can try to convince that I am actually town and farside is indeed the scum I think she is.

this phrasing is bothering the shit out of me.

[curiouskarmadog]

BOOM!, put this is your (I dont like meta) pipe and smoke it!

I would rather see a lynch of a player who I find suspicious (Xtox) though may end up being town, rather than a player who I know for a fact is town (myself).

I skimmed over 8 games using the word "fact" to scan posts from GC...6 of the games he was town and did not use this strange phrase. 2 of the games he was scum...in this last one. he used this phrase as SCUM. Game is closed (overcourse).

GC, can you provide to me a game where as town you said... "I know for a fact I am town" just seems like a strange fucking thing for someone who is "town" to say.

[curiouskarmadog]

This is the stupidest argument.

sure it is...just give me a game as town where you said this. and I will say..."yep you are right, stupid argument"

[curiouskarmadog]

there is no reason as town, you should be saying/using "the fact I am town" as reasoning/justification for anything. It is understood, you need to keep saying it. AND THAT is why you dont say the phrase as town in your old games. You give me a game where you said it as town...and I will stand corrected.

[curiouskarmadog]

there is no reason as town, you should be saying/using "the fact I am town" as reasoning/justification for anything. It is understood, you

shouldnt

need to keep saying it. AND THAT is why you dont say the phrase as town in your old games. You give me a game where you said it as town...and I will stand corrected.

bold is correction.

[curiouskarmadog]

could it be I caught a scum-tick you didnt even know you had?

[curiouskarmadog]

BLAH BLAH BLAH..

just provide a game where as town you fucking said it.

[curiouskarmadog]

is it because you cant? its because you cant, right? because...you only say it as scum?

I will eat every last word if you got a game where you said it.


I looked...I looked at several games...and I thought to myself..if as town I catch him saying it...it is just me being paranoid. I couldnt find a game. So I looked at scum games...2nd one in..boom I found it.

YOU SHOULDNT NEED TO SAY THAT as TOWN, it is odd phrasing for someone who is "town" to say.

[curiouskarmadog]

GC, why wont you provide a game?

[curiouskarmadog]

now you are squirming...hot damn..I nailed you.

[curiouskarmadog]

GC, why wont you provide a game?

[curiouskarmadog]

wtf, setting up lynches is not the issue?! almost everyone in the game town or scum can be said to be setting up lynches. CDB and titus have both said things that if looked at a certain way can be said to be setting up lynches.

MY CONCERN is that GC keeps saying ..."I am doing this because I know for a fact I am town". What town person says this? It is fucking understood. He "knows for a fact"??? it sounds strange. That is why I looked it up. It doesnt say it as town. He does however say it as scum.

anyone curious as to why he cant provide one town game where he used this "logic" before??

[curiouskarmadog]

I set up a logical progression: Riddle accepts the conclusion that farside is scum if (1) CKD flips town and (2) I am town. I therefore set up the points to get to that conclusion by stating (1) if CKD flips town and (2) I know I am town, thus I will be able to get Riddle to the conclusion.

what "logical" progression did you set up here?

I would rather see a lynch of a player who I find suspicious (Xtox) though may end up being town, rather than a player who I know for a fact is town (myself).

let me rephrase my request then.


can you please provide a game where as town you used this "logical progression"?

I think that it is a scum tell...you show me that it is not.

[curiouskarmadog]

and quit saying that is it "stupid" or a "shitty basis". If I am wrong..show me.

I think i am right...rub it in my face how wrong I am by providing a game where as town you said it.

I dont think there is one, but I only looked at 8 (now, i checked out a couple more to be sure). You have said it as scum though.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol

[curiouskarmadog]

confirm

vote green crayons.

nailed you.

man, if someone I supposedly thought was scum, had a case against me that was false, I would at least try to attempt to show that he was either wrong or deliberately scummy. But you are not doing it. Kind of like what you are accusing farside of doing on the scrambles wagon. If you think I am scum, please...show everybody how scummy/wrong I am...please. this is your chance...

[curiouskarmadog]

so it is not buried in walls of text for people who are only skimming...

BOOM!, put this is your (I dont like meta) pipe and smoke it!

I would rather see a lynch of a player who I find suspicious (Xtox) though may end up being town, rather than a player who I know for a fact is town (myself).

I skimmed over 8 games using the word "fact" to scan posts from GC...6 of the games he was town and did not use this strange phrase. 2 of the games he was scum...in this last one. he used this phrase as SCUM. Game is closed (overcourse).

GC, can you provide to me a game where as town you said... "I know for a fact I am town" just seems like a strange fucking thing for someone who is "town" to say.

GC is refusing to prove me wrong.

[curiouskarmadog]

you only use that "logical progression" as scum...show me where you use "the fact that you are town" as a logical progression to dictate your actions. Bottom line: you are not "in fact town" and you havent needed to say that in previous games as town. As scum however, you have a history of using "the fact you are town" as a way to explain your action/line of thinking.

give me a fucking game where as town you did this.

[curiouskarmadog]

The reason: because EVEN IF the only time I have ever used that phrase, prior to this game, was five fucking years ago (lol seriously? I just clicked to the game that CKD linked) when I was scum, it does not mean that I am scum in this game.

it is a line of thinking/posting that you do as scum. Initially the phrase rubbed me wrong. People who are town, do not say this. SO FAR (8 games into the meta) YOU HAVE NEVER SAID THIS AS TOWN.

[curiouskarmadog]

I don't see him saying anything that implies you as scum. He is saying the case is shit and talking it out. Not hey this case is shit and you are scum.

so his vote on me is saying.....?

[curiouskarmadog]

See above for issue. He has gone from voting me day 4 to voting amy. To pushing me day 5 to voting you. I see this as pushing a scum read to leave me a live in lylo.

just so I know the reference, where did he push you to vote me?

[curiouskarmadog]

Did you notice if there was any other words he used as scum or town when meta searching?

no, I was specifically looking for that phrasing with that intent.

[curiouskarmadog]

started thinking about all the reasons I think GC is scum.

furthermore, how the fuck do you know that farside will be around to try to convince riddleton of anything?

vote GC.

thought this out a bit more.

not sure GC scum, given Riddle's proclamation would keep Riddle around to a lylo situation with farside.

this isnt as scummy as I once thought in retrospect.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think GC is scummy, too, but would prefer a CKD lynch. I think I said in earlier posts if you have CKD as a scum suspect, even if not the #1 choice, we should lynch him today so he isn't a liability in LyLo.

here is the crux of our situation.

if i am wrong about GC..AND we lynch him. I am going to lylo. and we lose.

unvote, vote CKD.

I really just dont want to be in this particular game at Lylo. here is the thing, I really want to win this game. I have put too much time into the game (as a replacement) to lose.

somebody finish me off please.

Riddle is right, is you have even the slightest thought I might be scum, dont keep me around. it will be an up hill battle for us to win.


(on a side note: Riddle you do understand that if I was scum, there is no way you would have made it to LYLO, right?)

[curiouskarmadog]

somebody hammer.

[curiouskarmadog]

Riddle if you do end up being scum, well played.

[curiouskarmadog]

oh lets be clear here..if I ever get into this situation in future and I am actually scum...I am going to try this same thing.

[curiouskarmadog]

mod prod titus.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol

this might be the weirdest game of mafia I have played in awhile.

[curiouskarmadog]

Riddle if you do end up

being scum, well played.

Thanks CKD

. I just hope I can rely on someone to vote, like, GC or Titus in LyLo.

also, if this ends up being a stupid slip, I might just quit for good.

[curiouskarmadog]

The last time I witnessed scum do this, it was a similar situation. It was a scum win because he managed to WiFOM himself out of a lynch like CKD is doing.

and since I havent been hammered yet. for shits and giggles, provide that game link that is giving you that point of reference.

[curiouskarmadog]

because you know,

Lynch all Liars

and all that.

I wouldnt be helping if I didnt ask.

[curiouskarmadog]

well he knows for a fact he is town.

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont know. his vote is on me..soo. if he was scum, I dont know why he would be questioning riddle about his vote on me. unless he was planning on taking riddle to lylo and he wanted to look towney before my lynch. a "i didnt really want to to lycnh CKDtown, but.." kind of play.

the main issue with this game...is we have two people who are not posting and we REALLY need everybody here.

[curiouskarmadog]

actually...

boom

unvote.

had that chance to hammer

titus...CDB...time to quit hiding...come in here and post a lot of shit has gone down please comment.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote.

[curiouskarmadog]

hey GC...question.

why didnt farsidescum hammer me?

she could have easily done so without much comment. killed you tonight..and whoever else she deemed a threat after the no lynch.

soooo? whats up with that?

[curiouskarmadog]

on sat.

I'm going to be busy tomorrow but this game will be my first priority when I'm back, starting by rereading the scum lynches to look for buddies.

4 posts since, to include one today...

soooooo....."priority"?

[curiouskarmadog]

If you are in fact town, and farside is in fact scum, how does farside hammering you look town at all?

Especially since she has predicated her "GC is setting up mislynches because the two players he thinks are scum candidates I think is town!" on the basis that she reads you as town.

In short, farsidescum wouldn't hammer you in the 24-hour window you gave her because it wouldn't look town.

well lets play a fun game.

farsidescum
GCtown
CKDtown
riddletown
titustown
CDBtown.

Riddle has said once I go, he is going to lynch you next.
titus thinks.

Scum just do not engage in that type of behavior. I haven't seen it once. Therefore Farside is town.

and thinks Riddleton might be scum

sooo...

1.)farsidescum hammers me.
2.)kills CDB tonight.
3.)and kills titus the following night.

that leaves
farsidescum
riddletown
GCtown.

hmmm...looks good for farsidescum

OR

3.) kills GC the following night.

that leaves
farsidescum
riddletown
GCtown

well gee also looks good for farside.

I can keep going, but the other options dont look too bad.

not buying it right now.

[curiouskarmadog]

and farside, lets be clear here.

it is not lost on me that if you can someone save me from the lynch today and take me to lylo with..lets say riddleton, that also looks good for you.

but the above scenarios would have been so much easier.

[curiouskarmadog]

someone=somehow

[curiouskarmadog]

I am not buying farsidescum (atm). I am not buying riddletonscum (mostly).

CDB/GC keep going back and forth on.

Titus is just a big ?

we really need some contribution from both CDB and titus today.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote.

What happened to this 'I'm a threat in LyLo' stance?

are you against titus and CDB contributing before I go?

[curiouskarmadog]

The last time I witnessed scum do this, it was a similar situation. It was a scum win because he managed to WiFOM himself out of a lynch like CKD is doing.

and since I havent been hammered yet. for shits and giggles, provide that game link that is giving you that point of reference.

Sorry, not going to do that. I don't want to provide my off-site games.

thats convenient. why?

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote.

What happened to this 'I'm a threat in LyLo' stance?

are you against titus and CDB contributing before I go?

No. But Farside and/or Titus arenn't going to hammer before they contribute their thoughts. Surely, you know that too.

didnt say anything about farside...and you can speak for titus now? how about you hang on for bit there. also dont bully me, clearly I didnt have an issue being at -1...but lets get some more info out there first. you so confident on your reads on everyone?

[curiouskarmadog]

The last time I witnessed scum do this, it was a similar situation. It was a scum win because he managed to WiFOM himself out of a lynch like CKD is doing.

and since I havent been hammered yet. for shits and giggles, provide that game link that is giving you that point of reference.

Sorry, not going to do that. I don't want to provide my off-site games.

thats convenient. why?

Because I don't want to.

you dont say. man you must be feeling confident on your position in this game. so we are to take your word on this then?

[curiouskarmadog]

adjusted

I am not buying farsidescum (atm). I am not buying riddletonscum (

mostly

not likely at least..).

CDB/GC keep going back and forth on.

Titus is just a big ?

we really need some contribution from both CDB and titus today.

[curiouskarmadog]

hey riddleton. how confident are you that I am scum?

how about this.

if I flip town, you provide everyone that link were you witnessed a situation you are referencing here, so people know that you are not lying.

The last time I witnessed scum do this, it was a similar situation. It was a scum win because he managed to WiFOM himself out of a lynch like CKD is doing.

and since I havent been hammered yet. for shits and giggles, provide that game link that is giving you that point of reference.

if I flip scum, you got nothing to worry about.

You want everyone to believe you are SO SURE I am scum...why not do this.


here.

vote CKD.

I will put myself at -1 again.


deal?

[curiouskarmadog]

(Insert Riddleton backpedal post here?)

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote.

What happened to this 'I'm a threat in LyLo' stance?

are you against titus and CDB contributing before I go?

Stop this fucking nonsense now.

which part, voting myself, wanting you and CDB to comment, or trying to figure out Riddle's motivations today?

[curiouskarmadog]

if I flip town, you provide everyone that link were you witnessed a situation you are referencing here, so people know that you are not lying.

No. I'm not providing it to anyone. No ifs or buts. See here for why. If you want to think I'm lying about my off-site meta, then whatever floats you boat I suppose. I've no intention of 'proving' this.

if I flip scum you dont have to...so what is your issue?

[curiouskarmadog]

if I am scum, why the fuck would I care about your meta right now.

again, if I flip scum you got nothing to worry about.

so what is your issue?

[curiouskarmadog]

Riddle, did you play on the other site under the same handle as here? If not, then linking to the game without revealing your handle would not import your meta onto MS.

what other site?

[curiouskarmadog]

lol..

unvote.

not that I want to be in the defending GC business but.

farside/riddleton, why would it be a good GCscum play, to take his vote off of me at -1 to put it on farside that one seems to want to vote?

i personally dont know what to think of GC...I do think his vote of me was strange, but given the particular game climate, I get it. I dont get however, why he questioned riddleton about my wagon, when he was on it. If he didnt feel good about it, why not unvote? I didnt like the "farside is scummy because of the lack of posting" inclination. I still dont like (and I know I am the only one who thinks this) "I know for a fact I am town" bit.

on the other hand, timing of his votes on previous non CKD wagons, didnt look scum motivated. I also dont see certain posts/actions as coming from scum.

truly on the fence here.


going to reread.

still need more from CDB and titus.....

[curiouskarmadog]

it feels like GC left the CDB wagon at a pretty pivotal point.

Vote Count 3.11

Titus: (2) acryon, scrambles
acryon: (1) Farside22
ChannelDelibird: (3) Curiouskarmadog , Kalimar, Amy Farrah Fowler

(L-2)

scrambles: (4) Titus, Riddleton, ChannelDelibird, Green Crayons

Not Voting:

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-10-18 20:47:00)

Mod Notes:
None

[/area]

[curiouskarmadog]

If you knew the gamestate pointed to your buddy being pinned later on in the day, you figure you may as well be the one to break the news

Are you saying this was the gamestate?

Possibly. Scum are more aware of what's happening in the game than the town are.

If, hypothetically, you had knowledge that scrambles easily broke under pressure as he did in D3, you knew he would be pinned and caught at some point. Ticking time bomb.

why is GC guilty of this and not farside?

[curiouskarmadog]

I agree with this post. Meta can lead to a lot of town mislynches. I don't rely on it too much but it is a useful resource. IT shouldn't be discarded entirely.

man. would really love to meta you...what is that other site again?

[curiouskarmadog]

riddleton,

what about this?

it feels like GC left the CDB wagon at a pretty pivotal point.

Vote Count 3.11

Titus: (2) acryon, scrambles
acryon: (1) Farside22
ChannelDelibird: (3) Curiouskarmadog , Kalimar, Amy Farrah Fowler

(L-2)

scrambles: (4) Titus, Riddleton, ChannelDelibird, Green Crayons

Not Voting:

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-10-18 20:47:00)

Mod Notes:
None

[/area]

[curiouskarmadog]

any of those games where you supposedly saw this?

The last time I witnessed scum do this, it was a similar situation. It was a scum win because he managed to WiFOM himself out of a lynch like CKD is doing.

I did meta you a bit...and MAN you sure love to use metas...

you say "I am doing X because I have seen Y happen."
"where did you see Y happen?"
"not telling, because I dont want to expose how I play"


hmmm. you see why I have an issue? certainly someone like you that frequently uses metas can see where I am coming from right?

[curiouskarmadog]

again, do you see where I am coming from? I have played the game for many years and have never seen scum (do what I have done). Now, I am not using that as WIFOM (in this post) but when you said you have seen someone do this as scum, I thought to myself, "In all of my years, I dont recall seeing that." So when I ask you about the game, you immediately say, "it was somewhere else and I dont want to show you."

do you understand why alarms might go off or do you think this whole line of questioning on my part is just another scum gambit?

[curiouskarmadog]

i dont recall seeing one. for scum to not only not vote someone else to save themselves (being the last of a scum team) AND to put themselves at -1 (being the last of a scum team) in the same game is pretty ballsy or at least very fucking rare. Anything is possible. Fuck, if I am ever in this position as scum, I might grow a pair and do it.

But you are using this as a basis for your actions....so I wanted to see a game that

you

have seen. So I know...okay, Riddleton is not lying.

[curiouskarmadog]

Holy shit, CKD, you

do not

get to pull that shit and then go "well, scum never do it in my experience so I'm definitely town".

CDB, please tell me you think I am pulling that..please...please tell me that..pretty please.

1.) I already said I am not pulling that. matter of fact I have said quite the fucking opposite.
2.) I already said as scum, I would do it
3.) I AM FUCKING ASKING RIDDLETON A QUESTION..are you reading the context in which I said it or are you just skimming?

[curiouskarmadog]

mod unvote in 24 10.

but

unvote

[curiouskarmadog]

vgchartz

so is this the site I seek?

[curiouskarmadog]

CDB, why dont you do today's vote analysis too. I know you dont have a flip to go on, but you can still review it.

[curiouskarmadog]

I see.

[curiouskarmadog]

okay going to reread farside, I guess the not hammering me bit makes sense (from a farsidescum angle). But she really could have backed off today with posting (using a shitty GC theory) and I am pretty sure it (my lynch) would have happened without much talk from her. I guess her coming in defending me could help get me (and lets say Riddleton) to lylo with her, and my lynch would pretty much have been a slam dunk. The only backfire was that no one hammered.

it is hard for me to swallow this though..

[curiouskarmadog]

also it should be noted...all things constant, GC is the lynch (got to 2 first).

I should be around tomorrow, but sat/sun I might be out of commission.

[curiouskarmadog]

Hey

CDB

, I noticed this and I want you to clarify:

Most questions are about farside, though, really. Again, will definitely be rereading around those things but, combined with the stuff I raised last night, this is starting to feel like something I want to explore.

I definitely want the farside-v-GC argument to go the fuck away because it's obnoxiously loud and long, and right now I'm definitely inclined to want farside gone first.

This seems to imply you see the final scum in the farside vs GC argument, correct? That it's not just town vs town noise?

this....this is why I think Riddle is town. furthermore, this is an excellent point.

[curiouskarmadog]

Hey

CDB

, I noticed this and I want you to clarify:

Most questions are about farside, though, really. Again, will definitely be rereading around those things but, combined with the stuff I raised last night, this is starting to feel like something I want to explore.

I definitely want the farside-v-GC argument to go the fuck away because it's obnoxiously loud and long, and right now I'm definitely inclined to want farside gone first.

This seems to imply you see the final scum in the farside vs GC argument, correct? That it's not just town vs town noise?

this....this is why I think Riddle is town. furthermore, this is an excellent point.

when I first read that, it sounds like an opinion of someone who thought X and Y were town. Who cares if the argument is obnoxiously loud and long. info can be obtained through that "long" argument. You (CDB) "feel" like one person in that argument is scum. Shouldnt you be pouring over it to see if a.) you are on the right track and b.) what you scum suspect is saying and not saying? what else is being discussed today that is MORE important in your eyes?

[curiouskarmadog]

usually in games. when someone says, "I think the argument between X and Y is loud/obnoxious/distracting/whatever" is because they are not interested in the argument because X and Y are town (or perceived town). Who cares about two townies going at it? When someone I think is scum is posting. I am fucking reeeeaadddding their posts. Looking for slips or trips. Looking for lies to add to my case. looking for mentions that I can meta or follow up on. Or looking for insight...seeing how others are attacking them. REadjusting my suspects if needed. Are they scum or an easy target?

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so if all things stay constant, you will be lynched GC..thoughts?

[curiouskarmadog]

I just want cbd to think about what I said when I flip town, in case he's around during end game.

why post this sentence...as of right now, you are not going to be lynched.

[curiouskarmadog]

I just want cbd to think about what I said when I flip town, in case he's around during end game.

why post this sentence...as of right now, you are not going to be lynched.

Votes are tied.
Titus had been MIA lately and I don't know 100% your views.

none of this makes any sense. what does my views have to do with this sentence. and since GC got to 2 first, he will be lynched...soooooo..

[curiouskarmadog]

well here is an update from me.

I dont have a fucking clue. I am leaning GC over farside, but farside's play has been weird. ANNNNDD, GC has had some actions that I dont think pragmatic scum would have made. at the same time, farside could have hammered me earlier today. she could have easily come in at the start of the day, found some bullshit reason to vote and do so. GC also was voting me all the while asking Riddleton why he was voting me. now, I can come up with reason why farsidescum, would want to keep me around until lylo. AND I can come up with reasons why GCtown, would vote me BUT inquire of Riddle about his vote.

back and forth back and forth. I dont have a clue about either of them. got reasons for both sides of the coin. I still dont want to go to lylo.

and here is a news flash. i think I am scared to vote. if I vote one or the other and they flip town, we are fucked (i think). if riddle is town or scum, I imagine he will make it lylo. then what?

I also realize, if I do nothing, it is as good as voting for GC.

so there it is.

I am just not sure.

[curiouskarmadog]

I guess I could also vote riddleton and GC might or might not jump on that to save his self. but I find riddlescum less likley...but I fucking dont know.

[curiouskarmadog]

You should vote GC

lol....I could.

[curiouskarmadog]

I still got some time...maybe something crazy will happen before then.

[curiouskarmadog]

9 hours. I dont know.

[curiouskarmadog]

yellow bellied

yeah I guess.

i dont like some of the shit you said. I dont like some of the shit farside said. I dont like some of the shit CDB said. I dont like some of the shit riddle said (but I think he is town). titus is alright.

soooooo

I am just going to go with actions.

GC joined a scum wagon at a good time (ie a bad time for scum). He did question riddle today about his vote on my wagon. wouldnt GCscum, shut his mouth and let me get the rope? what troubles me about this was he was still on my wagon at the time.

farside has played strangely much of the game. her jumps onto scum wagons have been..odd? She could have hammered me today, but didnt. But like I said previous, it is in scum's best interest to keep me and Riddle to LYLO.

but man, i was feeling good when I found that "know for the fact I am town" meta...but I know it is a stretch.

wish Titus would come back so I wouldnt have to make this decision.

[curiouskarmadog]

mod: request a deadline extension. it is a holiday week in the US and titus has not posted in a week.

noted. I will extend deadline until Sunday night.

[curiouskarmadog]

someone needs to move to GC because I'm not letting this day end in a no lych

oh my god...why are we still talking about fucking no lynches in this game?

[curiouskarmadog]

"Riddleton: He has gotten his thumb on the pulse of this game"

7. This game will have 2 week deadlines. At deadline, the player (or No Lynch) with the most votes will be lynched. In the case of a tie, the tie breaker will be the player who has the first active vote on them. Should there be no active votes at deadline no one will be lynched.
.

[curiouskarmadog]

mod still requesting an extension for the holiday and the fact that titus has not posted in a week.

plus...i want more time.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote farside

can we drag it out farther now?

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote

sooo...how gets the rope now if it ends today?

[curiouskarmadog]

how=who.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think still GC...

[curiouskarmadog]

vote farside.

you cool with that extension now Riddle? why or why not?

[curiouskarmadog]

(Hey thanks CKD for voting, and not voting me.)

dont get too excited.

unvote

until I hear what titus/titus replacement has to say.

I mostly voted because I wanted to see what Riddleton had to say before the deadline extension was granted. he decided not to post before then.

the more I think about it, the more I am unsure of everything. you and farside are now almost even on my scum suspect list...I said almost, still leaning you bud.

want to read a bit more (not in ISO)

[curiouskarmadog]

also,

thank you mod

[curiouskarmadog]

Yeah, pretty sure we need a new Titus.

[curiouskarmadog]

glad I asked for an extension.

[curiouskarmadog]

checking in.

[curiouskarmadog]

well now I feel bad about asking for an extension, but clearly Titus needed to be replaced and we are in a position where we all need to be here.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think gc is scum. He thinks I'm scum.

ummm..just saying.

if GC is scum, why would he think you were scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

(think I had already done this)

unvote

until the party gets started again

[curiouskarmadog]

What, Riddle, no attempt to persuade Iron that CKD is totally and absolutely the last remaining scum?

well now you are just trying to butter me up, oh the one who also voted me today.

[curiouskarmadog]

clearly I am scum at this point. such a devious ploy to not let the deadline hit and easily hang either GC or farside...no easy route for this scum bag. I could have easily got rid of GC (who voted me today) AND riddleton (who is going on and on and on about how I am scum). total scum mastermind.

not sure HOW Riddle can think i am scum still...but okay.

unless he is trying to goad me into voting GC?

Iron, waiting on you to chime in.

[curiouskarmadog]

GC does have a point.

[curiouskarmadog]

b) Nah, I'm goikng to be alive for LyLo. It's highly unlikely I won't be.

why? as scum, I would kill your ass. now that I have said that, as scum (that is not in my slot) I would kill your ass to set me up.

why is it so unlikely that you wont be alive for lylo.

the above statement and your belief that I am scum doesnt make sense together.

actually at this point, me as scum doesnt really make sense at all.

[curiouskarmadog]

why is it so unlikely that you

wont

will be alive for lylo.

edit

[curiouskarmadog]

why is it so unlikely that you

wont

will be alive for lylo.

edit

god dammit.

why is it likely that you are going to be at lylo.

[curiouskarmadog]

if the above post(s) werent clear,

I would like to hear from Riddle about why he thinks he will make it to lylo.

and how he can have that belief AND think I am scum at the same time.

[curiouskarmadog]

Well, obviously we can all agree if someone else gets lynched and is town, I'll be in LyLo to decide between GC and CKD.

based on what ?!

[curiouskarmadog]

Well, obviously we can all agree if someone else gets lynched and is town, I'll be in LyLo to decide between GC and CKD.

based on what ?!

CDB, what are your thoughts on this?

[curiouskarmadog]

CDB,

so given from Riddle's "angle" it makes sense for him to believe that GCscum or CKDscum, would take Riddleton to lylo?

[curiouskarmadog]

here is my issue with this.

if he

really

felt like I or GC was scum, then he would not believe this.

so immediately I think, well maybe he doesnt really think that I or GC scum, which makes it not so much scum motivated, but a scum slip.

I guess it could also be that his thought process is illogical, but he has been pretty logical up until this point.

so Riddleton, work me through your "thought process" as to if we did lynch a townie today and I am scum or GC is scum, why you would make it to lylo.

[curiouskarmadog]

if he

really

felt like I or GC was scum, then he would not believe this.

I don't really know why this follows, unless your argument is that he should be confident of being nightkilled if that is the case.

he thinks I or GC are scum. he has said it over and over again.

if you were CKDscum or GCscum, would you keep Riddleton alive till lylo?

if I were CKDscum, I wouldnt.

[curiouskarmadog]

Why is there no consideration of lynching ChannelDelibird?

I didnt say that.

[curiouskarmadog]

CDB is in a similar position. .

say what?

[curiouskarmadog]

so the current vote is still 2v2 farside/GC?

ugh.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote no lynch.

scum, clearly i am town, best you kill me tonight.

[curiouskarmadog]

well look at this shit right here. I am alive and so is Riddleton...


oh and CDB is dead...who thought farside was scum...

so I am pretty sure it has got to be farside...though from a riddleton(scum) angle, farside would be the best choice to leave around if you wanted to push a CKD lynch.

it is true, riddleton has gotten a free pass much of the game for being town, but....I just dont see him as scum.

curious what farside is going to say at this point or if she is going to wait to see what Riddleton's move is.

holding off on my farside vote until all parties chime in.

also curious if Riddleton instanta votes me.

[curiouskarmadog]

Farside....just an fyi as you are "reading" I am strongly leaning you for my vote. You are REALLY going to have to stretch/work to convince me riddleton is scum. Going to read/skim him one more time...but I am just not seeing it.

[curiouskarmadog]

checking in, not hammering. still thinking.

[curiouskarmadog]

looking at the kills.....it just doesnt seem to be coming from team Riddlescum.

Riddle's entrance into the game doesnt look like scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

will vote in an hour or so.

[curiouskarmadog]

okay gut call..

vote farside

Riddle if you are scum, you did a bang up job.

[curiouskarmadog]

MOTHER FUCKER

[curiouskarmadog]

well you had everyone else duped too, so I dont feel as bad.

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus riddle, you ass hat.

[curiouskarmadog]

what did I miss? still defend my Skelda case.

[curiouskarmadog]

and it is a time commitment that I dont really have. just going to stay to 1 game at a time.

[curiouskarmadog]

maybe..

it just so happened that both of those people also had suspicion of you and CDB.

i remember a game where my scum partner said "Kill the biggest threat, let the town WIFOM it out" that stuck with me.

at any rate, it was good playing with you again Farside.

[curiouskarmadog]

I should have voted her a couple of days ago, but between her and GC, I was leaning GC. Not enough to vote him, but enough not to vote farside.

[curiouskarmadog]

@CKD:

Like I said, I knew for a fact that I was town.

!

hey man, I was trying to find ANYTHING that would help me.

[curiouskarmadog]

i am actually shocked that I made it to lylo...my shitty ass gut instinct doomed me early on.

guess farside thought Riddle was going to stick to his guns and vote me at LYLO.