are you implying that
your view on shaddowez was
which justifies you bitch-smurfing when i ask for a consistent read?
In post 1815, Thor665 wrote:Just, that I decided to randomly lie about this for no reason, and thus I am scum - is that the case or is there anything deeper to it?
In post 1825, droog wrote:speaking of
*in thor's world*
thor: "shaddowez and droog are scum!"
shaddowez: *crap he's onto us*
shaddowez: "vote thor"
shaddowez: *there, now that im buddying droog that'll erally convince them we're not buddies*
In post 1841, Green Crayons wrote:- Case A and B are all part of the same case. If memory serves me correctly, your position on YYR/Fink has flipped to scum-town-scum-town-scum throughout the game. So Thor is not Objectively Wrong in his posts, and it certainly doesn't look like scum trying to mischaracterize your play in this game.
In post 1841, Green Crayons wrote:I don't see what your problem is with Thor's position on shaddow.
In post 1844, Green Crayons wrote:They aren't mutually exclusive positions, they can be held simultaneously after one read develops after the other, and therefore they are not inconsistent.
In post 1844, Green Crayons wrote:Also, Thor was saying everyone was being a wuss about their reads/votes.He wasn't really making a push specifically against you when he was saying that, was he?I don't see why Thor-scum would purposefully mischaracterize your position if he wasn't going to use it as a part of a case against you (and he had already started saying you were second/third on his vote list at the end of yesterday game day for reasons apart from whether you were being a wuss or not).
In post 1874, Thor665 wrote:
Shaddow is a total lurkfest.
Droog is a misrep machine.
People find me scummy because I've voted for people that said they suspected me, even though I don't always do it and also have other reasons stated to vote them, and it ignores how Droog and Shaddow both did this to me when I cited them as the scumteam.
People scumread you for, as far as I can tell, town reading me.
Have fun with that.
In post 1896, Riddleton wrote:I can't really defend your case against Fink, GC. I hope you realise that. I've no idea why Fink did what he did -- probably just newbie/confused town by the looks of things.
In post 1908, Green Crayons wrote:In post 1904, droog wrote:@crayon: does riddle voting thor look like a bus?
This is a difficult question.
I can see how it could be: Riddle replaced in, and his (hypo) scumbuddy Thor is at L-2 and is the most popular lynch.
At the same time,everyonewho has replaced into this game has thought Thor is Thor-scum, to varying degrees. Myself included. That's a weird fucking track record, even taking into consider Thor's "but I'm Thor!" defense. So its a pretty big double standard to fault Riddle for having the same (at least initial) reaction to Thor as all other replacees, so I don't think I can personally count it against him. (Plus it assumes that Thor is Thor-scum, which would really suggest a Thor lynch first and foremost.)
In post 54, JohnnyFarrar wrote:This is where I scumread Dys, townread YYR, and say I would townread Thor if I didn't know better.
In post 283, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1885, Riddleton wrote:OK, so likely scumteam is thor + arcangel. I'll post more in a bit!
In post 1895, Riddleton wrote:OK so as I've said before, scumteam is most definitely thor + AA9. Can't be anyone else. Let's do this.
VOTE: Thor
L-1.
In post 1931, Riddleton wrote:tl;dr:
If thor's scum, lynch AA9 easy GG.
If thor's town, don't worry about shadow if he's lurker scum, catch the other scum first.
In post 1946, Riddleton wrote:Yep, I agree. If it's not AA9, next most likely choice is shadow
In post 1998, Green Crayons wrote:I've repeatedly stated that Thor strikes me as someone who wouldn't want to bus a scum buddy unless absolutely necessary.
In post 1844, Green Crayons wrote:Right. You have gone back and forth on YYR/Fink. And, yes, the first thing you said this game day was that you would vig YYR/Fink. That doesn't change the fact that you have previously gone back and forth on YYR/Fink.
Does it mean that you are a complete wuss about your reads? I personally wouldn't agree with that statement, but it also doesn't mean that Thor was so wrong that he was lying about your position.
Also, Thor was saying everyone was being a wuss about their reads/votes. He wasn't really making a push specifically against you when he was saying that, was he? I don't see why Thor-scum would purposefully mischaracterize your position if he wasn't going to use it as a part of a case against you (and he had already started saying you were second/third on his vote list at the end of yesterday game day for reasons apart from whether you were being a wuss or not).
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Going from lurk scumread to POE buddy scumread is not inconsistent, because in the time between those two reads Thor said he read you as scum. What's weird is not that you're taking issue with his POE analysis, but that for some reason you think that reading shaddow as being a lurkscum - independent of any other player's alignment - is mutually exclusive with reading shaddow as being a POE scumbuddyafterdeciding that another player (you) is scum.
They aren't mutually exclusive positions, they can be held simultaneously after one read develops after the other, and therefore they are not inconsistent.
In post 1944, Green Crayons wrote:Complete sheep, because Riddle earned it.
In post 2089, Riddleton wrote:In post 2080, droog wrote:In post 1885, Riddleton wrote:OK, so likely scumteam is thor + arcangel. I'll post more in a bit!
at what point were you when you made this post?
What?
In post 1882, Riddleton wrote:I'm still reading. On page 31.
In post 1885, Riddleton wrote:OK, so likely scumteam is thor + arcangel. I'll post more in a bit!
In post 1887, Riddleton wrote:#1880 from AA9 is 'I'll bus my buddy... oh nevermind!'
In post 2097, shaddowez wrote:In post 2078, Green Crayons wrote:This is a peculiar unvote.
I don't understand your line of thought behind the bolded.
droog wouldn't want to be the hammer? Why not?
Presumably droog isn't voting because he doesn't want a lynch yet. He said as much in Post 2013 and Post 2020. If he was to vote either Riddle or myself, that would put us at L-1. And then you'd just hammer, thereby accomplishing exactly what droog doesn't want yet: a lynch. How does your unvote encourage droog's vote in this situation?
You make it sound like I'm just going to hammer regardless of where he places his vote. It is possible that my idea of where to place my vote will change. Even if it didn't, and droog places his vote on Riddle, I would state intent, giving droog (or you, technically) time to unvote if either of you still didn't want the lynch at the time.
As for why I think droog doesn't want to be the hammer, I don't know. It was just one possibility that went through my head at the time, and the one that made it into my post.
Even though he made it clear he didn't want to hammer yet, he didn't seem to be doing much "investigating" either. Now that he's posted more tonight, it looks like he's actually still playing, not just doing nothing.
In post 2088, droog wrote:shaddow explain why i shouldnt lynch you for lurking
Explain how I'm lurking based on my posting pattern, which has been brought up several times now, and I'll consider this.