Open 582: Stackin' the Deck/Hipster Mafia (Over)

[Riddleton]

VOTE: Alchemist

Totes OMGUS.

[Riddleton]

VOTE: wgeurts

[Riddleton]

Post 57 by wgeurts is pretty bad.

a) RVS vote on ABR. This is fine, except how he gets defensive when MathDino questions him not liking RVS. His defensive "But it's RVS" responce is trying to posture his vote as valid as if it was handed down from above. He continues with a pseudo-defence of himself by defending someone else who made a RVS vote; He says Howl's vote "Had bullshit reasons for the lolz" and is acceptable. The point here is his vote was

perfectly acceptable

but the excessive justification of a silky RVS vote is very scummy behaviour.

b) His continues to defend the Howl wagon by analysing everyone's votes on it in the Post 57 wall. BB's vote is "acceptable RVS" but null, somehow -- which makes 0 sense. Then claiming that progressively those who slipped on to the wagon look scummier and scummier, peaking at 2birds. He then proceeds to vote 2birds. I don't think it's a coincidence how the later you are to the Howl wagon, the more scummy wgeurts perceives you to be. Could this defensive behaviour be defending his scumbuddy? (Howl?)

c) Continuing on with the "Oh, the IC looks pretty town" joke is pointkess after it's already been done before already.

IN A NUTSHELL:
Defensive play throughout the game so far. He's no reason to be like this as town. He had this exact same playstyle as scum in O574.

[Riddleton]

If wgeurts flips scum, it's highly likely Howl will be scum as well.

[Riddleton]

VOTE: wgeurts

Please explain your naked vote.

LOL

[Riddleton]

If my case didn't convince you, that should. Being waaay too defensive-scum like he was in O574.

[Riddleton]

If wgeurts flips scum, it's highly likely Howl will be scum as well.

what do you think of the idea that wgeurts knows howl is town

Hmm... I suppose that's also a possibility. Why would wheurts go to such extremes putting on a show to defend town, though, of he was scum?

[Riddleton]

*if he was scum

[Riddleton]

Maybe. It's more likely he's defending a buddy though if he's scum, especially at this stage of the game.

[Riddleton]

Most of the case on geurts is pretty bad

Why?

[Riddleton]

2birds

, I agree that the tone Alchemist's 45 seems a bit distant and unengaged but I'm not 100% sold it's scummy. I don't see any problems with 55

[Riddleton]

OK, so texcat is definitely 100% town.

[Riddleton]

Her play isn't like O574; there she was active lurking and hardly providing any content of use. Here I feel she's trying and making an effort to contribute.

[Riddleton]

There there, wgeurts. I know you've been caught already and feel the need to engage defence mode, but it's not all that bad!

[Riddleton]

Droog, you don't like my case. OK, but how does that make me scum? I still stand by it; I think you're misinterpreting some of the points I made.

VOTE: ABR
I know thy ways.

Is this a random vote? Not sure if thou hath evolved but I recall a lot of talk of thou disliking RVS.

'tis RVS.
Also wherefore's howl being destroyed for a RV?

This is fine, except how he gets defensive when MathDino questions him not liking RVS. His defensive "But 'tis RVS" responce is trying to posture his vote as valid as if it was handed down from above.

dino: "a or b?"
wgeurts: "a"
riddleton: "look at that posturing! "

Saying "tis RVS" in a semi-casual way like that after your meta of disliking RVS has been called out is scummy behaviour.

The point hither is his vote was

perfectly acceptable

but the excessive justification of a silky RVS vote is very scummy behaviour.

excessive justification?
am i in the wrong game?
did i hang left at some parallel universe where wgeurts explained his vote in more three words?

RVS votes don't

need

be justified usually. The fact that Wgeurts tries to do this -- by explaining "oh yes it's RVS! Cool, isn't it?" and by defending someone's elses RVS vote as valid also -- is unexpected defensive behaviour. I tend to associate this defensive behaviour as scum, because that's what it is most of the time.

b) His continues to defend the Howl wagon by analysing everyone's prayers on it in the Post 57 wall.

wgeurts defends a wagon by saying someone on the wagon is scum????

Yes. He said BB's vote is "null" despite being acceptable RVS (ie, acceptable, good, town =/= "null"). He then called people scummier and scummier the later they were on the wagon, which isn't a coincidence to me.

[Riddleton]

Saying "tis RVS" in a semi-casual way like that after thy meta of disliking RVS hast been called out is scummy behaviour.

why

please give me ans anwer that isnt
'wgeurts used to dislike rvs, therefore he must continue disliking rvs'

I've no reason to doubt what the IC is saying.

[Riddleton]

Ok nvm wasn't much else.

Can some of the people who are solo votes get together and get a counter wagon to us going, kthanks.

VOTE: Riddleton

gogogo

Bad choice.

[Riddleton]

Welcome, fine sir flubbernugget, to this esteemed game of mafia.

[Riddleton]

Venerable? I was just gonna sheep the guts wagon.

VOTE: guts

In all seriousness though he's screaming a misrep of Riddleton's case way too loud to be town.

Who is guts? Wggeurts?

[Riddleton]

@Riddleton do you think it is bad to have a few rvs voted on yourself? Why?

Not at all. I only criticise wgeurt's defensive measure of chastising everyone who voted for Howl as scummy.

[Riddleton]

Texcat's being a lot more talkative and helpful than 0574. I don't think her scumplay would evolve so quickly hence why I'm pretty confident she's town.

[Riddleton]

UNVOTE:
Thank you for answering my questions texcat.
VOTE: 2birds

I thought you were going to explain your null-scum lean on him?

[Riddleton]

I've got $100s. Convinced now?

[Riddleton]

I'm voting wgeurts because he's scum.

[Riddleton]

I agree with randommidget. Alchemist's vote was definitely a little suspicious in the way it was presented.

VOTE: Alchemist

[Riddleton]

"No lynch"? Seriously? What the fuck?

We're lynching today. If not Alchemist, then wgeurts.

[Riddleton]

Alchemist and wgeurts are both scummy mcscumbags. Pick either and lynch the fuck out of it.

[Riddleton]

VOTE: ABR

How do you all feel about this, if not Alchemist or wgeurts?

[Riddleton]

I want to lynch scum
Why doesn't gerts? He only
Wants a better option.

That post of mine was also semi-sarcastic.

Lol, OK. "Semi sarcastic", but you didn't say so earlier? Well, gosh that's convenient!

[Riddleton]

Droog, what do you think of ABR this game? I think his play is quite similar to last game (where he was traitor).

[Riddleton]

I'm more confident with my wgeurts + alchemist scumreads but can compromise on ABR. Not interested in lynching anyone else, and definitely not interested in a no lynch

[Riddleton]

Droog, what do you think of ABR this game? I think his play is quite similar to last game (where he was traitor).

Your funeral.

My funeral?

[Riddleton]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Riddleton]

?????

[Riddleton]

If you would shut the hell up about my funeral and actually make some sense that would be grand. Who do you currently scumread (outside of wgeurts)?

[Riddleton]

This is what bugs me, see:

Vote: wgeurts

I think that wgeurts has more than coinflip chance to be scum. I may be biased. I'm not over his over defensiveness and super confidence. There hasn’t been enough significant bandwagons or game swings to assess everyone in the game. It’s not a completely objective vote, but I’ll support it over Alchemist or Riddleton.

You talk about wgeurts as having "more than a coinflip chance of being scum", so in other words it's a you're-not-completely-sold-but-it'll-do kind of vote. And he's your main scumread..?

You seemed more confident on him earlier but not now. Why?

[Riddleton]

Why droog?

[Riddleton]

I thought you said you don't have clear reads?

[Riddleton]

Vote: wgeurts

I think that wgeurts has more than coinflip chance to be scum. I may be biased. I'm not over his over defensiveness and super confidence. There hasn’t been enough significant bandwagons or game swings to assess everyone in the game. It’s not a completely objective vote, but I’ll support it over Alchemist or Riddleton.

Why droog?

Because I don't like the way he's come out to defend wgeurts in a way that looks like he wants to close the discussion.

From, these explanations droog looks like the stronger scumread, but you choose to instead ignore the scumread you have on him, come out with some complete bullshit about "not having any clear reads" -- which was disproven just now with your scumread on droog -- and vote wgeurts because of some vague rubbish about "more than a coinflips chance of being scum"? Not buying it.

[Riddleton]

Your tone is disrespectful. I'm more sure of wgeurts than of Droog.

How is "meh, more than a coinflips chance of being scum" a stronger scumread?

[Riddleton]

Do you prefer playing as scum or town? Serious question.

[Riddleton]

2birds, claim already. You know what happened to aronis last game.

[Riddleton]

Sigh. I don't like claim stalps.

VOTE: 2birds

[Riddleton]

You're misreading me mathdino.

[Riddleton]

Then let's hope 2birds flips town, eh?

Why would I hope for that? I want 2birds to flip scum as much as all of you; I don't care how much you may think this implicates me in the process. Only scum is interested in maintaining a clean slate and looking as townie as possible. Town's job is to catch scum.

Besides, I can prove I'm town if it ever comes to that.

[Riddleton]

I don't care

[Riddleton]

I'm goon cop. Didn't have time to submit an action last night because I was busy during christmas. :/

[Riddleton]

Popcorn to wgeurts

[Riddleton]

How so?

[Riddleton]

We can discuss now

[Riddleton]

This is going well. I support the idea of popcorning.
I think that last scum is in the players from the last game because of the droog kill. I think they smelt a PR due to similarities in play.

What makes you think it was the last scum? Couldn't ABR have been the leader of the Droog kill?

I'm not a fan of Riddleton's claim. Night seemed to go on forever and yet you didn't have time to submit an action? You were around close to day end and close to day start.

Nope, I didn't submit an action, no. I was busy during the Christmas period.

[Riddleton]

I'm vanilla townie, I'm also dubious of the cop claim as it could be scum role cop (like last game) and they may already know more than we do and risking it all or nothing. Remember Texcats claim?

Why would I "chance" fakeclaiming a PR in a semi open setup? Optimum play for scum (if you're not suicidal, that is) is to claim VT.

[Riddleton]

Then let's hope 2birds flips town, eh?

Why would I hope for that? I want 2birds to flip scum as much as all of you; I don't care how much you may think this implicates me in the process. Only scum is interested in maintaining a clean slate and looking as townie as possible. Town's job is to catch scum.

Besides, I can prove I'm town if it ever comes to that.

I softed PR here.

[Riddleton]

I mean,
you posted a lot during the Christmas period.
And AK made clear that he'd extend the deadline for people facing your challenges.

I wasn't posting a lot during the christmas period at all. I had time to check in briefly and maybe respond to one or two posts. Beyond that... nope. I certainly didn't have time to reread D1 of this game to look for reads to. I barely ran out of time by the time I was fully available again.

[Riddleton]

And that means..?

[Riddleton]

"Mwahahah! I bet riddle is scum fakeclaiming goon cop and making up BS about having no results, that's super crafty scum play right there!" ??

[Riddleton]

I mean,
you posted a lot during the Christmas period.
And AK made clear that he'd extend the deadline for people facing your challenges.

I wasn't posting a lot during the christmas period at all. I had time to check in briefly and maybe respond to one or two posts. Beyond that... nope. I certainly didn't have time to reread D1 of this game to look for reads to. I barely ran out of time by the time I was fully available again.

so why didn't you send in a random name

I thought I'd have time to do the reread and get my night actions in sooner.

[Riddleton]

[Riddleton]

We have 5 prs, everyone else is VT right and scum choose 3 modifications?

[Riddleton]

Unless someone is lying about their role and someone has yet to CC. If that's the case, just CC now and get this game over with.

[Riddleton]

texcat is the roleblocker, not wgeurts.

[Riddleton]

We lynch, vig and RB between the VTs. That is our optimal strategy.

I think wgeurts has been the scummiest so far, and I think he's the final scum.

VOTE: Wgeurts

[Riddleton]

I think we should lynch wgeurts today and at night:
a) Psyche should vig flubber.
b) texcat should RB random
c) bob should track alch

[Riddleton]

The last scum is hiding in the VTs. This is practically autowin for us now, I think..?

[Riddleton]

It's better if we make a list of who the PRs are targeting at night, to make this as optimal as possible. That way we don't get two people accidentally targeting the same person.

[Riddleton]

Why's that a bad idea?

[Riddleton]

I think this is GG.

[Riddleton]

Scum no killed.

I'm obvtown due to my play and my claim. So you can waste a lynch on me if you want, or...

Like I said, the final scum is hiding in the VT claims. It'd be ballsy for scum to chance claiming a PR when it'd be all over when someone ccs.

VOTE: Flubber

[Riddleton]

We lynch flubber
Vig random
Lynch alchemist tomorrow.

GG

[Riddleton]

And it also assumes bob isn't scum, but as I said, scum hiding in the VTs is much more plausible. Everyone else is confirmed aside from the VTs, myself and Bob.

[Riddleton]

ak confirmed me as town man

Where?

[Riddleton]

I knew I have lost when I was RBed. Thought I had a little chance otherwise.

GG

[Riddleton]

I don't want the scum QT to be revealed.

[Riddleton]

At least tell us why you didn't kill Dino?

WiFOM. I wanted to keep him alive till LyLo so it looked like a trap like I was easy lynchbait for the scum win.

[Riddleton]

A distinctively bad style of case