Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)


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Post Post #1743 (isolation #0) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:34 pm

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Me not dying is slight evidence for Titus town, because she knows I tend to tunnel on her.

I honestly have not read most of this thread, although we did a bit of talking in the night.

Also, thank you scum for not killing me, it means I actually matter this game.

Elle said there's a lotta lurking. If I end up having the longest iso I'll have to punch someone.
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Post Post #1744 (isolation #1) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:34 pm

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In post 1741, Titus wrote:@Green, so you think I come into the game and tunnel my partner who claimed a guilty on our third partner?

VOTE: Green Crayons

That was the most obvious bus vote I have seen in quite awhile.


Names please, Titus.
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Post Post #1770 (isolation #2) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:00 pm

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Heartless would not have shot me. With that said, the summary of events(Titus's?) Leads me to believe town.
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Post Post #1772 (isolation #3) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:05 pm

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Plenty of time for that when I'm not pretending to have no idea what's going on. What's your Titus case, and does anti agree or is he letting you take point because your reads are better?
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Post Post #1783 (isolation #4) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:24 pm

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Fascinating. Now, Anti, tell me how you feel about the Titus case. And someone whisper sweet nothings into my ear about Grib.

Also, I should be entirely caught up tomorrow night. And if you feel like I'm ignoring you, then be aware that I probably am.
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Post Post #1788 (isolation #5) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:37 pm

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In post 1786, Heartless wrote:
In post 1783, Jingle wrote:And someone whisper sweet nothings into my ear about Grib.

The interactions between Kaboose and Grib are quite extensive for them to be scum together. Kaboose is pretty conciliatory in his dealings with Grib. That, coupled with Grib's key vote in securing the Kaboose lynch, leads me to the conclusion that he's town.

Now I'd like to hear some whispers from you. ^_^

Just in general, how good of a scum player would you say Malakittens is, Jingle?


I honestly can't remember playing with her as scum. Which means either I've never played with scum her, or she's pretty decent. Possibly even both!
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Post Post #1790 (isolation #6) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:40 pm

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In post 1786, Heartless wrote:The interactions between Kaboose and Grib are quite extensive for them to be scum together. Kaboose is pretty conciliatory in his dealings with Grib. That, coupled with Grib's key vote in securing the Kaboose lynch, leads me to the conclusion that he's town.


Fascinatingly, elle said that a Titus/Grib team seemed likely to her, and that she'd probably die if that was the case.
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Post Post #1791 (isolation #7) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:41 pm

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If you want I can post some erotic friendfiction, but I'm the mason of this pair, I get to lord by conftown status over everyone and generally be useless so that scum consider not shooting me tonight.
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Post Post #1792 (isolation #8) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:42 pm

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I lied, she said possible, not likely. My bad.
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Post Post #1800 (isolation #9) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:41 pm

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In all honesty, when I hit page 4 of the reread I was ready to lynch pre-titus.

But now? With Titus here and doing this? And Anti, who is like 60% of the reason I caught Titus in that game saying she might be town?

I don't really like the Titus wagon.

I seem to remember someone trying to push a dichotomy of GC/Titus. What's that all about?

And what's all this about faking a guilty?
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Post Post #1803 (isolation #10) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:43 pm

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Oh, hey. Whatisswag faked a guilty. Why hasn't he been lynched/laughed out of the game?

PEdit: No you won't.
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Post Post #1806 (isolation #11) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:45 pm

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Also, I'm really not gonna let Titus's 'ATE get to me'.

That implies I was scumreading her in the first place for her to manipulate me with ATE.

I genuinely think at the moment that this is towntitus. I'm not nearly read up enough to say I'm not wrong, but she's not pinging my scumdar. The only towntitus tell I haven't seen is a strangely compelling case on someone that makes absolutely 0 sense to me but still makes me want to lynch them.
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Post Post #1807 (isolation #12) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:46 pm

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Mala is correct, although snippy little comments like that are really easy to do as scum.
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Post Post #1809 (isolation #13) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:50 pm

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In post 1808, Heartless wrote:
Oh you fucking try me, cute boy.


Titus is preying on your insecurity. She's doing it so that you won't lynch her. But she's scum.


Shhh. I've read your Titus case. And I promise I'll read it again after I finish reading all the places where context was relevant. But honestly? Not feeling the Titus lynch from just what I've seen her post today.

What's the urgency coming from, T? I like to take things slow sometimes.
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Post Post #1812 (isolation #14) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:55 pm

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Yeah, anti'll do that. The problem here is that just because someone preys on anti's weakness to big ol teary eyes and a quivering lip, doesn't mean they're scum. Sometimes the ATE is real. Sometimes they're town. Case in point: I buddy the fuck out of people when I'm town (if I'm in the right mood). Kinda like I'm doing to you right now. But it doesn't make me scum (I'm totes always scum though).
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Post Post #1813 (isolation #15) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:56 pm

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In post 1811, Heartless wrote:
In post 1809, Jingle wrote:What's the urgency coming from, T? I like to take things slow sometimes.

*sigh*


JINGLEY, I'm trying to be annoyed with you, but you're making it
very
difficult for me.


:D If it helps I can sing some really dirty songs loudly and off key.

(And I told you you weren't gonna kick me in the balls. ;))
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Post Post #1814 (isolation #16) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:58 pm

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Titus, if I were to suggest you and TTH do a socratic about the rest of the players, what would your response be?
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Post Post #1817 (isolation #17) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:27 pm

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Shush, mala, I think you might be scum.

And Anti, we've been meaning to have a conversation with you for a while...
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Post Post #1820 (isolation #18) » Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:55 pm

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In post 1818, Malakittens wrote:I mean I love flirting as much as the next person here, but I mean seriously.

Jingle, you have already said it yourself.
You have no clue how'd I play scum so either meta it or give reasons why I "could be scum"
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I really don't see titus being scum, I don't.

Also reason why WiS hasn't been lynched is even though the fake guilty he's still fucking town by meta and behavior and shit, anti-town due to the gambit, but town noneoftheless.


Ehh. I'd still lynch him. Faking a guilty should be punished. And I like to punish people with nooses.

And as for the bolded, I'm gonna take my sweet time.
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #19) » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:28 pm

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So, I lied. I'm somewhere on page 43, and god is this boring. I'm not sure I'm gonna finish today anymore.
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Post Post #1847 (isolation #20) » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:54 pm

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I'm really drunk right now. But thoughts, because I'm not gonna remember this.

Titus still probably town. Despite the fact that the socratic question was a test she didn't pass.

TTH (and anti, too, I guess) are town.

I'm probably gonna be incredibly useless and wrong. But that's okay, cause I'm gonna die tonight anyway!

I still think Mala scum is possible. It's awesome that mara isn't in this game, because I remember having trouble with remembering which was which because their abbreviations are like, the same.

This is probably completely useless, but I'll post it in case sober me can make sense of it.
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Post Post #1870 (isolation #21) » Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:17 pm

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In post 1869, Heartless wrote:so...

much...

derp

:D
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Post Post #1889 (isolation #22) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:04 am

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I'm beginning to think that, yes.
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Post Post #1891 (isolation #23) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:29 am

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WRT to Titus, of course. Also, wrt flirting with me, but I've known that for a while :P
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Post Post #1892 (isolation #24) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:35 am

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Anyways, back to reading. You guys keep working while I'm gone, and I'll come back and pass judgement on you and all of your lands.

(Also I'm still unopposed to policy lynching swag. In case anybody can get him to L-1)
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Post Post #1893 (isolation #25) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:53 am

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Grib is probably town. Like, very probably town. His reaction to the fakehammer is exactly what me town would do. He's getting put in the "I don't have to think about this anymore" pile with Heartless. Oh, also I've been hardtownreading you guys for the entire dayphase, based both on the mason thread and on my own reads. I've just been being a mysterious asshole because it makes me giggle.

Titus's positioning wrt the fakeguilty is really awkward. Titus, do you still believe your assertion that people who fake guilties follow the behaviors in
In post 1121, Titus wrote:
In post 1118, Heartless wrote:
In post 1115, Titus wrote:
In post 1114, Heartless wrote:
In post 1111, Titus wrote:Really, you need a citation that scum just don't announce "I'm SCUM!!!".. and they avoid content.

yes b/c i've seen fake guilties by town and swag actually fits the profile quite nicely


I don't think he does at all. They actually produce content and work with others by answering questions. They also make sure that the claim actually looks plausible. If I can shoot a claim down in five seconds, its tissue paper yo! I can't see crumbs to save my life.

lol no they don't

they do it out of either 1) some misguided notion that things need "shaking up" or 2) they need to shove their scum read down everyone's throat for their own good


Usually there's an indication of 1. ika is notorious for "shaking things up". I've seen the profile. He picks someone who isn't discussed, not a mislynch he's tried to push.

2. That's the profile of someone who actually produces content and has failed to persuade.
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Post Post #1900 (isolation #26) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:18 pm

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I'd still like you to answer the question from a theory standpoint, Titus.
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Post Post #1902 (isolation #27) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 5:38 pm

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But seriously, let's lynch swag despite him scumreading two people I could definitely see as scum.
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Post Post #1911 (isolation #28) » Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:05 am

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In post 1903, Heartless wrote:Jingle. Head out of ass, please.


Nope. I believe that swag did a shitty fake guilty. Thus I believe that my win condition will be easier to fulfill if swag is dead. More to the point, I'm a vindictive asshole and I'm more than willing to Lynch town who fakeclaims guilties because that shit is unacceptable. It is damaging to both the game and the site, and it deserves punishment wherever it exists.

No offense swag, but your fake guilty is possibly the most offensive thing that you could have done and i want to lynch you because of it.
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Post Post #1926 (isolation #29) » Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:18 pm

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In post 1916, Grib wrote:You yourself are sabotaging your chances of achieving your wincon by lynching those you read as town. It is up to the mod to decide if Swag should be punished for his actions. And seeing as how he managed to get scum lynched, I can't say I really give a flying fuck about the means in this particular instance.

Is it something he should do in future games? Not at all. But is it against the rules to lie in order to push a lynch? I certainly don't think so. Town fakeclaiming a PR is shitty, but not against any rules. You're free to feel any way you want about it, though.


1. It is not playing against town to want lynch town read swag. Policy lynches exist for a reason. A good reason. He has proven to me that he is untrustworthy and I shouldn't listen to anything he says.

It is NOT the mod's place to punish swag. He technically didn't break any rules other than playing against his wincon, and punishment there would necessarily be a modkill, because anything less would confirm the slot as town via mod, which is terrible. And he was playing against his wincon, if indeed he was town faking a guilty.

But more importantly is that letting him get away with it means THAT THERE IS NO REASON HE WON'T DO IT AGAIN. By condoning the behavior you condemn yourself to seeing it again.

Also tth, I'll vote when I damn well feel like it. And I don't yet.
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Post Post #1930 (isolation #30) » Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:38 pm

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In post 1927, Heartless wrote:jingle i promise i will write swag a very strongly worded essay at the end of all this

or i'll ask tth to do it for me when i figure out i'm too fucking lazy to do so


Thank you.

I'm going to continue punishing him loudly in the thread for his stupid and antitown behavior.

Does anyone have a countercase to Titus?
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Post Post #1938 (isolation #31) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:53 am

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A hammer before I say fine is a scumclaim, because there are a couple things I want to say. Continue as normal otherwise.
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Post Post #1945 (isolation #32) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:54 am

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In post 1939, Heartless wrote:jingle, can you do me a favor and knock the drink out of your own hand pull your own hair for me? thanks in advance


No drinks in my hand, but I'll pull my hair.
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Post Post #1983 (isolation #33) » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:14 am

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Ok, Thoughts dump coming later today.

Then I'm most likely dead. As always, there's a pretty decent chance I'm wrong, so take everything I say with a grain of salt.

The one thing I'm incredibly confident on is that Heartless is town. If they're scum, town has already lost this game. That's how confident I am.
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Post Post #1988 (isolation #34) » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:48 pm

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I think that was a lynch. In which case, Mala really needs to get looked at.

Elle thought Titus/Grib was possible, with mild townreads on Heartless, Mala and GC. Dave was a reluctant "Not partners with Kaboose" read. She also thought swag and LR were probably not partners.

For my two cents, Heartless is a strong townread. Grib is mild. Mala is a scum read.

In case I'm an idiot and that wasn't the hammer, carry on.
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Post Post #2036 (isolation #35) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:17 pm

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In post 2023, Heartless wrote:
Keeping Jingle alive is very suggestive of me as town.


hey jingle

do me a favor

print out the scum qt.

then get the page and rub it in your own face.

if you don't do it, i'm getting sthar to do it for me.


Didn't you promise to make a post for me?
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Post Post #2037 (isolation #36) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:17 pm

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In post 2036, Jingle wrote:
In post 2023, Heartless wrote:
Keeping Jingle alive is very suggestive of me as town.


hey jingle

do me a favor

print out the scum qt.

then get the page and rub it in your own face.

if you don't do it, i'm getting sthar to do it for me.


Didn't you promise to make a post for me?


Also, I wanted to leave one scum alive to lynch the other, and I 180'd on Titus before the end of the day. I can live with that.
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