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A quick lead-off:
If anyone gives me attitude about how ika quick-hammering isn't a scumtell,I'm going to hate your fucking guts. That's all well and good that hammering is part of his meta. However, that's not what makes ika scum. He has a pretty clearly established meta with regards to activity and he's fairly easy to read just from that. His lurking and detachment from the game fit his scum meta to a T. ika is scum here.-
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In post 992, House wrote:Care to provide a little analysis with all that information?
*tugs at sleeve*
A Rough VC Study
NJAC- 6 - Always Mafia, Nachomamma8, Albert B. Rampage,Sakura Hana,pisskop, ika
ika - 4 - Drezi, Lalendra,NJAC, House
Metalcyanide- 7 -SIR CYANIDE, Drezi,Sakura Hana, House,pisskop, Albert B. Rampage, ika
ika - 4 - VictorDeAngelo, Lalendra, Riabi,Metalcyanide
Sakura Hana - 1 -NJAC
Not Voting: Nachomamma8
The two lynch wagons from Days 1 and 2 are roughly the same. Four names show up on both those wagons (the majority). Contrast this to the ika counterwagon. The only name in common between the two days is Lalendra. Two different sets of people tried, and failed, to lynch ika on Days 1 and 2. You could argue that the scum team just rotated and different scum pushed the ika wagon, but I think that's unlikely and I think those wagon compositions are quite town.-
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In post 998, Drezi wrote:Hey, TTH where'd you go?
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In post 994, House wrote:ika's quick-hammering isn't a scumtell.
If he did something else that you find scummy, bring that up. Don't try to obfuscate the matter with preemptively arguing over whether something is a scumtell that you're not using to base your read off of anyway.
It relevant because that was the crux of Nacho's defense and I was going ahead and undermining it.-
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In post 1003, Drezi wrote:Why are you ignoring my question?
Quit it. I'm not playingthisgame. It'sextremelyannoying.
I've still got quite a few topics to talk about from 40 pages of game. Namely: ika's predecessors, Nacho, and ABR.
You don't get to micromanage, Drezi. Give me a little time.-
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In post 1023, Drezi wrote:Im a HE, as stated next to every post I make, shows how prepared and attentively you made your case.
You're one to talk!
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In post 1029, Drezi wrote:You're scum because of your predecessor's play, because you tried to push an easy win on ika with your scumbuddy Riabi right off the gates putting him 3 votes away from a lynch and because you couldn't answer a simple question that would show that at least you're seriously convinced that you're voting scum in MyLo.
Before anyone else gets a stick up their butt about "MyLo" I'm going to preempt that by saying, "So what?" Scum can't quickhammer because there's a vigilante with another shot at play. Arguments about voting cautiously or being afraid of quickhammers here are dumb.-
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In post 1033, Drezi wrote:Yes theoretically it means that a prepared scumteam could quickhammer
That would necessitate me not being on it.
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In post 1038, Drezi wrote:In post 1035, TellTaleHeart wrote:That would necessitate me not being on it.
But I'm glad that you're automatically thinking of yourself as scum
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In post 1040, Drezi wrote:Just a fun fact, and you're strawmanning again.
Your whole argument is "You're not being cautious enough in MYLO." Like "MYLO" is some magical time where Ihaveto have the scum teamreallynailed down before I can vote. I don't.-
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In post 1049, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 993, TellTaleHeart wrote:A quick lead-off:
If anyone gives me attitude about how ika quick-hammering isn't a scumtell,I'm going to hate your fucking guts. That's all well and good that hammering is part of his meta. However, that's not what makes ika scum. He has a pretty clearly established meta with regards to activity and he's fairly easy to read just from that. His lurking and detachment from the game fit his scum meta to a T. ika is scum here.
Again, it seems like you're jumping the gun pretty hard when Ika has had the chance to post for four days total. I might be misinformed about how dramatic the scum/town posting ratios are, but even furcolow in his glory days wasn't an instant death read after four days of k ow posting.
ika replaced in on February 19th. That was 12 days ago. Subtracting the 4 days the game was in night phase, that still leaves 8 days. Four posts in 8 days is some heavy duty lurking.-
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In post 1058, Drezi wrote:And before the ika shenanigans I was townreading Dooku.
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In post 1089, Riabi wrote:Ok, I think all this talk of ika being the vig is going to lose the game for town. So, I'm just going to come out with it... I'm the Vig. I killed pisskop last night, and for that, I'm sorry. I overthought my kill. My thinking was that I've been the most vocal about getting the dukoo/ika slot killed, if I shoot them, it will be easy to figure out it's me. But based on his D2 interactions with ika, I was sure he was scum (so much for being sure). In retrospect, I think him saying that he thought I was scum made me suspect him too much. Then, I never considered that my decision would make ika look like the vig (which I agree now that it does).
I'm sorry for messing that shot up so terribly. I know I really put us in a tight spot. But, I feel like we're going to be in even a tighter slot if people keep thinking that ika is the vig.
You stole my thunder! >:(-
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In post 1103, Lalendra wrote:I did not notice that until Drezi pointed it out. That seems like a pretty obvious scum slip to me.
unvote, vote Riabi
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In post 1086, Lalendra wrote:"I thought Dooku was scummy. I thought Dooku's replace-out was scummy. I think the D1 hammer was scummy, and I think the D2 hammer is scummy. I've thought that slot was scummy from the get-go, I still do, and to be completely honest, your defense of that slot is confusing to me."
I screwed up the quote but THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE.
I don't know that there's anything that can convince me that slot is not scum, at this point.
VOTE: ika
In post 1103, Lalendra wrote:I did not notice that until Drezi pointed it out. That seems like a pretty obvious scum slip to me.
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In post 1110, House wrote:In post 1109, Drezi wrote:what do you think about ika being scum?
Waiting for a case that doesn't revolve around him quickhammering.
That's not a scumtell for ika. That's an ikatell.
No, but lurking is a scumtell for ika. He's lurking right now.-
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Why aren't you voting him now?-
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In post 1253, Nobody Special wrote:In post 1143, TellTaleHeart wrote:~Whistles~
Nobody Special, can you confirm that everyone picked up the private message you sent out informing everyone of Day 3 start?
As of this moment, everyone has.
Votecount incoming, sorry for the delay.
In post 1261, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 1258, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 1181, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I need Nacho.
I don't think Drezi is scum.
But why? Drezi can definitely be scum. There are some town posts but what before then?
ABR, this proves ika knows the game is going but was avoiding the thread. The two most recent posts were just responses to prods, nothing more. You know damn good and well ika lurks as scum and you want to characterize it as a "Jesus take the wheel" wagon?!
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In post 1288, Drezi wrote:I'm pointing out all this crap about these two and they don't even make an attempt at giving an explanation just brush the issues away, trying to redirect attention to other stuff, or ignoring it completely. What does that tell you.
It tells you that I'm working from a constant.
ika is scum. Period. Count Dooku was scummy, as was Reminiscence. The slot's been the counterwagon tonot one, but twotown mislynches. ika is not that difficult of a read; he is alotmore participative as town. The evidence is overwhelming, and I would bet my (game) life on ika being scum.
My method for looking at associatives right now is to see who balks at voting ika. I know it's not entirely rational, but I also know it's not that important right now. I'm fighting an uphill battle where I either have to force scum to bus or get the town to consensus, both of which are daunting tasks.-
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In post 1402, Drezi wrote:I'm not trying to agree it's not scummy lol. But it's still wifom, and it should have been cleared before MyLo. Here I prefer to act on normal reads first.
"Normal read"? As opposed to what? ika is a normal read. Even disregardingeverythingabout his predecessors and the quickhammers, ika's play here is 100% his scumgame.-
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In post 1314, House wrote:How do you feel about an ika, Lalendra, Drezi team?
I'm thinking I kinda like it.
I think Drezi is a trap scum read because he is so damn stubborn. Judging by his relatively new join date, he likely just doesn'tknowika's meta and therefore, the alarmist "the whole scumteam is pushing ika" angle actually makes a bit of sense.
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I'm notentirelysure on Nacho. He definitely ended up on the wrong side of the fence with the NJAC and ika wagons yesterday, which is what I was initially scumreading him for.
I have a light townread on him now because I would expect him to go ahead and hammer if he was bussing ika, but that point is kind of WIFOM-y.-
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In post 1013, Albert B. Rampage wrote:ika is a lettuce. I really hate his playstyle whether town or scum. It's really not fun to vote for someone, leave the site and you come back and ika hammered confirmed town that could have made scum waste an NK and kept another confirmed town in the game.
ika has butchered a lot of potential evidence here, but I'm going to parse what I can. Drezi. Looking back, I'm going to say that I'm suspicious of her questions. She's not taking responsibility for finding scum at all. I don't warm up to little helper types who siphon off proactive players, it looks like she has ulterior motives. I have a solid townread on Nacho because he's completely isolated himself with the way he's been acting yesterday. I don't see scum acting so independently, and being that badly wrong, because if he was scum, he would know exactly who the scum is and not be so blatantly bad. He used to be a good player a few years ago, now he quotes from 50 shades of gray and is more wrong than right. ika could be acting extremely stupid and screwing us over. I've seen him quickhammer on Day 1 as town before, and at least another instance where he hammered like that. I've also seen him do it as scum once and we should have policy lynched him right then and there. He's on my blacklist after this game. House has echoed my thoughts pretty accurately in the game and I see him as town. Lalendra and Telltaleheart aren't townreads. I like TTH's posting today, but not her slot before. Lalendra I think is scum based on similar reasoning to Drezi. Riabi is a question mark.
The cognitive dissonance from characterizing ika as a "Jesus take the wheel" lynch and then voting him because "we can't win with him in LYLO."-
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In post 1428, House wrote:In post 1426, TellTaleHeart wrote:Oh, wow. My reason for town reading Drezi just vaporized... :S
Well if you thought Drezi was the IC, what in the world did you make of my recent posts regarding you and why did you not have anything to say about them? I all but outed you as the IC.
Well it was lost on me.
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In post 1434, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 1426, TellTaleHeart wrote:Oh, wow. My reason for town reading Drezi just vaporized... :S
Read him again: I'm happy to outline reasons for townreading him in about 5 hours when I'm home and getting ready for work, but I sincerely sincerely doubt that he's scum here.
I thought he was more likely to be town than not just based on the raw stubbornness, but being the town special would have sealed the deal.
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Because ABR's progression on the ika read is really jagged and doesn't make sense.-
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In post 1437, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 1435, TellTaleHeart wrote:I don't see a hammer in any of those three posts...
You don't want a town case on Drezi?
Not really. I was just kind of taken aback that I was wrong on the whole town special thing.-
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In post 1462, Lalendra wrote:for those who think I am scum, if you have questions, ask them. I will answer them to the best of my ability.
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ABR's strategy early Day 2 involved a lot of effort on getting Lalendra lynchedandshielding ika.
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ABR sticking his neck out for a scumbuddy in an undoubtedly weak position and then bussing the other one doesn't make much sense from a strategic standpoint.
I think the most likely strategy ABR was pursuing was going for broke and keeping his entire team intact.
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In post 1511, Drezi wrote:I want to let TTH and Riabi read Nacho's replies.
I see the phrase "cool beans" so it's already not getting off to a good start.-
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In post 1504, Nachomamma8 wrote:sure i would be more hey lalendra is the last scum *case here* if i was as confident in that as i was at the end of the day
You voted Lalendra immediately (accompanied with "pew pew pew" noises) and haven't moved your vote since. Post 1458 doesn't look like a post made by a man in a confidence crisis.