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Putting someone at L-2 is scummy?
VOTE: The Enigma
Fuck town! Rebel for life!ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Ika, hammer!
Daytime sucks, I live for the nightShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Contrary to what I initially believed, he isn't even at L-1.
Even so, I agree with the sentiments of another player that day one sucks hard. Everything is speculation m8, so we might as well roll the dice.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Also you couldn't lynch me if you wanted. The anti-town brotherhood is strong.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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UNVOTE: The Enigma
VOTE: Simple Plan
Also okay indiscriminately murdering DoctorVahlen and VedithShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Why if you was so against Hermit's comment and happy for a quick lynch on him, your vote remained on Random?
Because he's scum!ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Iso'd Vedith like a dozen times now. The gut is strong
VOTE: Vedith
Apologies for being all over the place. I have a better feeling about this one over ASP, but I am fine lynching ASP if this wagon fails to gain traction.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Now that I think about it, Yimmy is just as scummy as Vedith. IDK, this game is difficult day one.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Actually, screw this
VOTE: ASP
No need to change things up now. ASP scum read me without voting me, and that is the closest thing to a non-speculatory tell we are going to get. It is also day one, and I do not want to overload on meta anaylisis and all that other bullshitShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Are you scumreading him? My vote is a day one policy lynch for declaring intention without acting on it.
If you are scum reading ASP, you are pretty much guilty of the same crime.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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OMGUS vote with no real reason to do so.
It was an OMGUS rvs vote in responce to a rvs vote. Your point?ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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What do you think of firebringer?ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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I have 4 possible scum I am reading, which is my criteria for day one having gone on long enough. Wow, mafia really sucks at this game!ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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@ASP
If you are going to come online to just ignore this thread, you might as well replace outShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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^ This is the safety post
The worst thing you can do is take away cohesion and decisiveness from town. This is day one. Unless we all agree to quicklynch someone else, usually you just run with the first wagon and pray the odds were in your favor.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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I would totally lynch Vedith though, just saying...
Now stop wagging your dick around and claim! I do not want to waste anymore of my precious time with you insufferable peopleShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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lolzies
Heretic scum!
Realizing its not necessarily scummy to be sassy makes me rethink that Vedith vote by Random a bit.
You have been playing under that account for 2 years, and just now you had the revelation that sassiness isn't scumminess? What influenced you without a flip?ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Stop it firebringer! I ain't your fucking whore, so stop treating me like one!
I am trying to understand ASP's way of thinking. By my own anaylisis, he probably suspects that me and RandomMidget are in a scum team, and we are organizing a lynch of Vedith. If he is the only one who thought this, then we should go through with lynching him, but if others have considered the same scenario he did, then perhaps lynching ASP isn't such a great deal after allShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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[quote]Yes this is sketchy because it's never a good thing when someone tries to end the day prematurely but I don't think Constantine is being very serious about it. Are you?
VOTE: A Simple Plan[quote]
This is the scummiest thing posted all game, sorry m8TShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Yes this is sketchy because it's never a good thing when someone tries to end the day prematurely but I don't think Constantine is being very serious about it. Are you?
VOTE: A Simple PlanShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Are you guys still scum reading ASP?ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Yes, but he is my third choice in my four scum reads as of now.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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VOTE: Vedith
He surpassed ASP as scum awhile ago.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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I feel like Vedith gets labelled scum and lynched to early in games, would like to give him more time before I read then properly or push for a lynch
Okay, that slot obviously needs some meta analysis
UNVOTE: Vedith
VOTE: ASP
I was a bit hypocritical because I was arguing that back and forth on D1 is bad, but I took my vote off of the ASP wagon.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Some tunnel vision: If ASPisscum, then I wouldFOSTitus for this post
I like Vedith as scum and Druppin as town. Vedith I cannot get a feel for him taking a position anywhere.
VOTE: V
Also how did y'all not notice Hermit asked to lynch Doctor Vahlen who isn't even playing while scumreading him?
I am getting ahead of myself thoughShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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^ You said it better than I ever could, lol
I almost want to lynch Titus just for that reason. I know that would be a big mistake though if Titus is town, because Titus is a total badass!ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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4xty, Ika, and myself are all obvious town
I would fight against a Vampirate, Firebringer, Yimmy, and Titus lynch today
That leaves Duppin, ASP, and Vedith for me. I am thinking that ASP is probably the most likely to be town out of these, but I admit that I can't read shit on any of these people.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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I think he has been one of the more critical players, and has managed to bring up valid points while not tunneling one specific person.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Because I don't want to be indecisiveShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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My biggest concern is that most players have been pretty civil and are using a high degree of critical analysis that is quite rare on MS games.
For that reason I could see us going through with a policy lynch rather than gambling on a scum read today. Ika and The Enigma are both slots that have overall ignored the game state. Alternatively, Firebringer has been posting a lot of fluff and seems to be content sheeping rather than scum hunting.
UNVOTE: ASP
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@Duppin
I don't actually believe I called vampirate town in that post. He is town, but only because I am not scum reading him. You MS folks call that a null read, psshh
@Vedith
I don't think a policy lynch today is silly reasoning, especially when the people who are active are putting a lot of effort into scum hunting. Even the people I am reading as scum have done a lot of scum hunting.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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On the Fifth Solar Echelon, in the year2035, top military advisors of the Adeptus Mechanus brought forward three battle plans for winning the war against the mutants, aliens, heretics, and rebels
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Spoiler: Top Secret Plan One
Spoiler: Top Secret Plan Two
Spoiler: Top Secret Plan Three
Mod note-"It is the 41st Millennium."
I tip my hat to you for this post regardlessLast edited by Reubus Swagrid on Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Why do you want to defend your null reads?
As I said, unlike MS players, non-scum reads are town for all intents and purposes. This mindset leads to a lot less mislynching.
I'd also like to know why you scum read me.
You strongly resemble the scum meta of a couple other people. In other words, it is a gut thing!ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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On the Fifth Solar Echelon, in the year 2035, top military advisors of the Adeptus Mechanus brought forward three battle plans for winning the war against the mutants, aliens, heretics, and rebels
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Spoiler: Top Secret Plan One
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Without looking at these top secret plans, chose one at random so we can end this goddamn day! I think it is in our best intrests if we all agree to collectively limit our options. I have a feeling this is heading towards a no lynch.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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I wish I knew actual statistics, but I would like to say 80% of players whom consistently make wall posts that only respond to one player are scum.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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In post 246, duppin wrote:In post 240, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
I'd also like to know why you scum read me.
You strongly resemble the scum meta of a couple other people. In other words, it is a gut thing!
Elaborate please.
I will try my best your highness
Past Scum Metas = Duppin Meta = Suspicious = Scum?ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Vampirate, please decide on who you are going to murder?ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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I don't think I can be more obvious town than I already amShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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There has also been speculation that Vedith's plays are not extremely different from his town meta. I don't think I am going to push a wagon on him, but I will join it if he surpasses ASP.
This last post from Titus made me reevaluate my read on her. Titus is a total badass as town, and I am not getting the feeling this is town Titus.
I am not confident in an ASP lynch anymore, and it is likely to be uninformative to say the least. I find some of the subtle connections between him and Titus suspicious though, so I believe Titus would be a more informative lynch in order to read ASP.
That leaves me with two new options. Lynch Titus or Policy Lynch Enigma.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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I've responded to Titus, ASP, Vedith and now you, how is that 1 person?
You wall post individual players, like you just did with me.
1. I think cohesion and decisiveness is important. Scum wins the more we refuse to consolidate
2. Her behavior
3/4/5. As 4xty point out, Titus appears to be advoiding any critical anaylisis of the ASP wagon, making her a minority party. Her switch to voting me after my revived pressure on ASP is also alarming. The actual reason I am scum reading Titus is because she isn't playing in line with the rest of the players. Her actions seem off, and I pretty much just saw her sheep Hermit, claiming to like a case that didn't even exist, which doesn't seem like town TItus.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Seriously though m8, stop wall posting. You literally quoted me 5 times just to ask me four of the five times what my case on Titus was, lolShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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VOTE: TitusShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Yimmy, I can tell you right now Hermit is shooting from the hip way too much to be scum here.
Reckless posting is really difficult to pull off as scum. There are some that can but it's rare. Cause it just calls too much attention to themeselves, opens up too much room for mistakes.
This is the thing with scum tells though. If town usually gets cleared by voting all over the place, then scum can imitate the strategy as well.
Generally I agree that the players who analyze the most indiscriminately, and ask a lot of questions, more often than not happen to be town.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Just for the record though, Yimmy is town this game.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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@Titus
If town lynches a town Titus on day one, we are not doing ourselves any favors
If you actually look at #259 though, Yimmy did not make a case on me. Your claim that Yimmy made a case makes me question whether the wagon on me is staged.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Please listen to what I am saying! Yimmy didNOTmake a case on post #259, but Titus has said three times now that her vote was influenced by Yimmy's reasoning on post #259. This is a scum slip if I ever witnessed one.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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@4xty This post was not directed towards you btw ^ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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@Yimmy
I don't see any points. I noticed that you asked me two questions.
As for Ika, he hasn't been active at all, so I am fine policy lynching him. I am fallible at this game. When I say that Ika's first posts were obv. town, there is really no way for me to back that statement up on day one.
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You want to lynch me, but you also want me to resign the game?ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Okay, that makes sense if you were taunting the scum team. I think you are insane to think 4xty is scum though. I am also under the impression now that Verity is a town player who appears scummier than he actually is.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Sexual attraction is chemical, Titus.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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My brain probably works a bit differently than yours. Since everyone starts this game with an overwhelming probability of being town, it is best to avoid justifying a town read until a sizable case presents itself. No case of such magnitude exists on 4xty, and although you have attempted to implicate him, I wasn't that convinced.
We are also thinking alike this game, and this is different, because it doesn't feel like 4xty is scum being agreeable for the sake of hiding behind an obvious townie. You guys are a lot alike too. You both know a lot about the game, and are valuable assets as town. That is partially why it took me so long to finally decide to vote for you.
As for why I think V may be town; it is a direct consequence of my own line of thinking, opposed to any association with 4xty being town.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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My knowledge pales in comparison to your greatness, Titus, but it is best to avoid tunneling the town block early into the game. This is good advice for both allignments.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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In post 296, Vampirate wrote:
We're at Day 1 right now, while I have seen a town bloc form early of town players before how do you know all 3 of you are town at this point in the game? How much history do all 3 of you have together?
There are players that are generally easy to read. Vedith is not one of them.
If you look at the game state though, everyone was sucking up to me for awhile, and Titus was the first to apply any pressure to 4xty.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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In post 299, Firebringer wrote:I don't think I agree with most what Hermit says, but I feel confident he is town.
Titus's slot has ignored all critical anaylisis on the major wagons, and instead is trying to extremely light tunnel the players that honestly have no chance of being lynched today, IE, me and 4xty. Sheeping Yimmy was like what? Then claiming to have liked her case was even worst, because post #259 only containedONEquestion asking me why I stated I would be okay policy lynching a town read.
There was also some serious scumminess in regards to how she joined the game and began to vote Verity, but switched ships when Verity started to receive more attention than ASP. To top things off, Titus's meta is hard tunneling players that are usually scum, and since her play this game is light tunneling obvious town, I am under the impression that we are not dealing with town Titus
@Firebringer
What about Titus makes sense to you? I am pretty sure you are town reading me, 4xty, and Vedith, and it isn't like Titus has been making actual cases (instead resorting to common survivalist tactics)ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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He is hoping to accomplish anything. He wants to start a hopeless wagon instead of taking the risk at being associated with a town flip. Despicable!ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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This I am actually pretty passionate about.
For whatever reason, players on MS do not find it scummy or anti-town when someone purposefully signs up to a wagon that is unreachable. Scum do this a lot to avoid being associated with being on a wagon that flips town, but it is also anti-town, because one of the few powers you have in this game is your vote, and it is wasted when you put it on an unreachable wagon!ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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In post 329, Vampirate wrote:
I'm going to reiterate, what I was reading on ASP there was possible scum trying to fit in. His "Can we please stop this conversation before someone gets banned" read like an overreaction to me and not in line with how things were naturally progressing.
I've said this half a dozen times, but there wasn't a case on me to begin with post #259. Yimmy asked me why I would be willing to policy lynch Ika and that was itShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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You sheeped yimmy's case on Hermit rather quickly. I would suspect a player of your caliber to ask more questions and dig than "Yep, players X case is very solid on player Y, Vote player Y".ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Even so, Titus's praise for your case seems misplaced when it consisted of one inference in the form of a question.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Fair enoughShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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Vampirate, now is not the time to be stupid.ShowAye, let old constantine spin ye a tale...
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