Open 606: Near-Vanilla 40k TOWN WINS

[Vedith]

Hello all.

I'll stick to the 3rd vote on someone Mafia theory.

VOTE: RandomMidget

I'm not sure how RVS manged 3 votes on someone before they posted anyway.

[Vedith]

I see. Interesting. I would not be surprised if Vedith killed you first.

I'm not a fan of you calling me Mafia after 1 post.
You shouldn't try and act like you know who I would go for if I were Mafia too (Even though I'm not).
Why so defensive over my vote on RandomMidget? Do you have something confess buddy?

[Vedith]

@Firebringer - How many games have you played with Duppin and what did he flip?

[Vedith]

@Firebringer - How many games have you played with Duppin and what did he flip?

Can't comment only game is ongoing.

No worries, then I have no follow up question.

[Vedith]

@Yimmy - I have no idea what you are trying to ask me, so I'm going to assume that you didn't understand my vote.
It was an RVS vote, I just pointed out that I'm not sure how someone who hadn't posted received 3 votes so easily.

[Vedith]

Up yours vedith
UNVOTE:
VOTE: vedith

That's the spirit buddy!

[Vedith]

I wasn't actually pushing anyone from it, I was making a point. Two completely different situations.

[Vedith]

Oh okay, my apologies.
Well it seemed a little too easy if you ask me.
Can it be seen as a scummy action? Of course, it seemed more like an actual vote rather than RVS.
Do I think that a player can be scummy for this? Well that's hard to say, I don't know how this player starts game and I haven't reviewed it as of yet. I wouldn't say so much as thinking the player is scummy, but the the vote itself can be seen as scummy.

I'm not good with RVS so I normally stick to the same reason if possible, hence the 3rd vote being scum theory.

[Vedith]

I only said that I'm no good with RVS, I'm not sure where you got this from? Plus I never said I find him suspicious. .. well any more than the rest if you. Can you explain this as I think you are trying to twist my words here
I also can't see how Random was trying to push out of RVS? It doesn't come across as it anyway given the "that being said" part.

[Vedith]

I also said that mine was RVS. Assuming things in these games can turn out to be pretty bad and wrong.

I disagree with the bandwagon, people can still RVS onto the same person, until an actual reason is raised it's no different.

Yup, you did explain it, and I appreciate that, however, I think before that I already said that my vote was RVS.
I'm not for or against it... As I said, I'm not been good with RVS, other completed games will prove that, even more so with people I haven't been in games with before. So if I have an opportunity I'll take it but overall I see it as throw away votes at the time. This is just my opinion over it though, I know for a fact that others see it differently.

[Vedith]

I was obviously fluffing when I told ika that Vedith would kill him.
I was not defensive over his vote on RandomMidget.

And to add, you can't say you were obviously fluffing with that if I don't know your play style.
For all I know, each game you decide page 1 who is Mafia and stick to it. I doubt that, but the point is there.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: enigma
L-2 I have my reasons.

Does it involve him asking to be replaced?

[Vedith]

That's disappointing, shouldn't take too long for replacements though.

[Vedith]

@A Simple Plan - Which one would be better to lynch from the 3 if not Enigma?
And why do you think he's not a good lynch?

@all - Can his request to be swapped out a sign of defeat, or no? I've never played with him before.

[Vedith]

I think it's more down to a persons personality rather than a tactic, but I haven't seen his games. Anyone here played with him before?

[Vedith]

I saw someone basically do it in a game of mine. But as it was near the end, it was just a case of giving up rather than asking to be swapped out. I haven't experienced it early game, so I would hope that this isn't a thing here, but I wouldn't put it past people.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: RandomMidget

With new players in I'm going to read through and vote again later (Currently at work but I will go through what I can here).

[Vedith]

@A Simple Plan - Why if you was so against Hermit's comment and happy for a quick lynch on him, your vote remained on Random?

@Hermit - Do you think that ASP over reacted to your comment? What made you miss the count number in a 5 page thread?

@Firebringer - Why so against Yimmy asking questions? Would you prefer the game stays quiet during the day?
Also, give me your view on ASP if you don't mind.

@juckter - Are you even in the game?

[Vedith]

@Mod - Can we get a vote count?

[Vedith]

Oi! Get those votes off me!

But seriously, I've been pretty tied up again, sorry.

The question here is - ~What information will we get for lynch ASP for each possibility?
And how will that benefit us more than a lynch on myself?

Although I'm not against an Enigma vote, this wouldn't be the best to go into day 2 with as we will most likely be in the same spot.

@Mod - ASP is voting Hermit, not Random

My concerns are on -

Yimmy - Seems to be focusing just on Firebringer rather than looking throughout the game.
Firebringer - A lot less fluff than in normal games I have seen, more of something to keep an eye on.
ASP wagon - Why would he just be voting for Hermit on 0 votes if he was scum, surely he would be trying to focus on someone else close in lead. I don't think that the reasons for his votes are very justifiable over others at this stage.

@TheWorst - I'm not sure why, but I get a scum feeling from you. I feel that you comments are more of a "I'm here, take this information and let me hide" rather than there to actually help us.
Care to give a read on ASP and Hermit for me?

[Vedith]

@Titan - Just because you don't agree with my posts doesn't mean it's all 'waffle'... In fact, what have you actually provided apart from a silly opinion of what I would do as scum Mafia in a situation (considering you don't know how I play) and saying that what I am posting has no reason more or less. Now, I think it would be stupid play of scum to try so hard on focusing a town normally so I wouldn't put you higher on my scum list for this, but I do see it as more of an arrogant, thinking that only your opinion matters play.

The situation with me being scum/town for posting a response of no follow up questions to an ongoing game is just stupid.
Regardless of what align it is breaking the rules to discuss further in on going games. And for Titan to suggest that questions should be looped holed around for the game is just careless play imo.

@Hermit - You are just jump voting and giving silly reasons so if a town flips you can just shrug it off.
Why are 4xty and Ika town for you then?
And what made you change your mind over Yimmy so easily?

[Vedith]

@Hermit - And your opinion change on Yimmy was...?

@Vampirate - The only lynches I'm against as it stands is 4nxi3ty and Titus. I'm just not a fan of weak reasons.

Plus, I'm not worried, it wouldn't be a day 1 without thinking I'm scum.

[Vedith]

i'm not liking Vedith

Aww that's not nice. ;<

And just because I think other reasons are weak doesn't mean I don't have my own opinions or reasons for others. - I'm not actually against neither for a lynch of ASP. I think that there are better lynches out there by far.

My reasons for them will not matter until I am lynched. When I get to L1, I will give you the reasons and even welcome a hammer.

[Vedith]

It's not towny behavior to lynch another towny either.

[Vedith]

I think that anyone with votes on me should take them off!

VOTE: TheWorst

I don't think that I'm wrong.

[Vedith]

I've already said my opinion on The Worst.
I don't want to vote Titus and I'm obviously not going to vote myself.
If I'm put into a situation where voting for ASP just before deadline will cause a lynch over a no lynch I will easy vote them.

A part from that the thread isn't moving in a good direction.

[Vedith]

Like your vote on Titus?

[Vedith]

@The Worst - I saw your comment but didn't feel a need to respond. You didn't change my opinion on you, and you focused on the word information which was a weak response. Anything said on here is information, maybe just not there and then.

[Vedith]

I think that you should all follow my vote. It will not disappoint you.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: The Worst

My opinion on TheWorst still stands.
However, as I haven't been able to be involved too much and I won't be until Monday properly, I will vote where it will matter.

VOTE: ASP

@Mod - I am V/LA until Monday. However, I will have minor access via phone.

[Vedith]

Well, not much to go on and 2 people need replacing...

I think Titus being killed was an over shot, there was no need with how the day was left.
The kill on Titus is more of a setup I think rather than taking out a good player.
I would rule Vampirate and 4nxi3ty out for this.

Myself and Firebringer had strong town reads on here so this is where we should go today imo.

VOTE: Firebringer

[Vedith]

It doesn't rule The Worst out for me, not by a long shot. But I think the kill on Titus was more of a setup, as stated.
You are a plebe for defending me overall, but it doesn't make you wrong.

[Vedith]

I mean strong town reads on Titus...

[Vedith]

vedith when did you decide it was an okay time to bus the Worst? When you started racking up votes?

Yeah, that's what me and you decided, remember?

[Vedith]

vedith when did you decide it was an okay time to bus the Worst? When you started racking up votes?

Yeah, that's what me and you decided, remember?

hmm I was being kinda serious

what do you make of Worst's post today?
can you re-explain your scumread on worst to me?

Well, I didn't think too much of it... However, the fact that he brings up me you and Hermit as a team while sitting on the fence (looking like he wants people to have opinions on it) then to say the following comment;

instead would throw a kill at someone on the off-chance that somehow town will find all three she suspected nearly a hundred posts ago guilty?

One stage it matters, then when it's flipped around, it doesn't matter?!

My reads on The Worst are just from the comments. Every comment just seems either said or just made up on the spot.

@Vedith That was one sentence of my response, not the focus point. Also, this will probably just get into semantics, but FMPOV I give out my perspective/analysis/opinion, so yes of course everything can and will become information, I don't necessarily consider it just straight up information. Information straight-up imo is something scum or an investigative role has.

For example, I don't see how this comment in beneficial. It's mainly because I used the word information. It's a pointless response hence why I didn't reply.

[Vedith]

@The Worth, you seem to be heated for me calling you out. Keep in mind that I'm not voting you. After all, you didn't make the kill last night, did you?

[Vedith]

Thanks

If it comes to it I will hammer The Worst over a no lynch or certain other player lynches. However, I agree that he's not the best lynch today.
I'm still unsure to who really is but I do like my vote on you as it stands.

[Vedith]

still boggles my mind how

vedith goes from "follow my Worst vote, will not disappoint" -> next day starts no Worst mentioned -> firebringer vote instead for speculative nightkill logic -> Worst not best lynch today

I'll townbloc with ika if it gets him more involved in the game
but I can't promise I'd not be lying if I said I townread him

I don't read him less. I read Firebringer more. The Worst didn't make the kill last night, did you The Worst?

[Vedith]

You pushed a (flimsy) case on me, yet you didn't vote me. Instead you vote Firebringer, for the fact that he had a strong town read on Titus, even though it was just a gut read.

That's false.
I was asked my opinion on you. I answered. Nice try though.

And it wasn't a gut feeling. He had her as his second strongest read (I'm happy to go through the evidence to this if you haven't payed attention to the game) - So explain further. Thanks in advance.

[Vedith]

Yeah def, I killed Titus for the exact reason of making you, Anxiety, and Hermit all look scummy as hell so then I can ride away on my scum bike with a win. GG town, your game ends here.

I said that you didn't, you may go back and re read it buddy. And I know that you didn't make the kill, this is what I'm getting at.

You were explaining your scum read on me and used quotes to try and prove your read. Is that not a case?

Oh, you're one of these sensitive players. Again, read the conversation. I was asked about your posts on the day. I commented on it. I didn't just post "This is why The Worst is scum" in that post.
It clearly states that my read on you was from the comments (which you can see in my original post on you)

I was referring to this post: 221 That's how his read on her started initially.
Guessing you're referring to this post 350. Yeah, Titus is second on his reads, you got me there, missed it. Still not sure if it was just gut/meta or not, but his reads list is his reads list.
But what does it prove besides Firebringer having the correct town read with you?
It certainly doesn't prove that the Titus NK was a setup against Anxiety/Vampirate as you say/imply. You haven't explained how it was an "over shot" (because it wasn't, Titus was a good townie and you know it) or the whole thing really. Explain further for me. Thanks in advance.

Ah okay, you were going by information that was a lot older than I was going by. I understand where you got confused now, glad that you caught up with the game.
Now, let us discuss the word prove. You seem to like it a lot. Nothing has been proven apart from the two flips so far. If something was proven it would mean that the only choice would be to follow that proof.
I didn't provide proof to the kill being a setup and neither did I say it was set in stone. (I'll give you a moment to read back a little).
I would also like to say that I said myself or Firebringer to be up for the chop, I haven't even said that he is the best lynch. I've also said that I'm not 100% sure where to go with today. I know that you didn't make the kill and I like my option of people with the strongest reads on Titus. I guess that it depends on who is scum, but I could see better kills than Titus.
I'm not sure what else there would be to explain from this, but you are more than welcome for my response buddy.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Firebringer
VOTE: Yimmy

I'd prefer Yimmy over Duppin/Vampirate

[Vedith]

Poor Fire, eh? ; (

[Vedith]

@Hermit - What's your reasoning for claiming?

[Vedith]

Mine was because other options are not my preferred vote.
I'll swap to Firebringer if all agree though.

[Vedith]

Hey, I'm happy to stick to Yimmy.

[Vedith]

Okay, so I just realized that there are three scum as opposed to two.

Didn't count yourself, huh?!

[Vedith]

@Yimmy - Who are the scum buddies keeping you alive?

[Vedith]

Firebringer: Scum yeah just look at my posts

I could swap to FB to be honest.

[Vedith]

No FB!

UNVOTE: Yimmy
VOTE: randommidget

I don't know how many votes that is, could be L1 or L2 or what not so keep that in mind.

[Vedith]

RM likes it to get to 1000!

[Vedith]

I am almost sure about Vedith right now that I think about it. He is pushing me but not heavily, and almost seems scared too.

I'm not scared, I just don't think your the most likely to flip scum.
Won't rule you out of a vote though.

People keep using my 'active in other games' when I'm clearly not overly active in any I'm in when there's nothing to add. It's like saying, this is your meta, but lets call this your meta instead.

[Vedith]

Wow, not even close to a lynch. Scums saving partners with not voting Vamp or RM?
Can 2 join in a quick swap over as a no lynch is just silly.

UNVOTE: RM
VOTE: Vamp

[Vedith]

GG town.
Such a long game.