Open 611 - Making Friends and Enemies (Game Over!)

[gob]

VOTE: Luna Fox

destoryed

[gob]

k1ll gut posts are my most accurate form of reads, why would you want luna NOT to speak her mind?

[gob]

k1ll gut posts are my most accurate form of reads, why would you want luna NOT to speak her mind?

Do you do gut reads this early?

Do you agree with her read?

Everyone does gut reads this early, some post, some dont.

Not at all, she is incredibly quick to many town-reads, which is something i would expect a noob scum to do.

@FireBringer
I do not know if you are confused, but i was referring to how i usually have fairly accurate gut reads, not saying i am going to post all of mine right now. I do have reads however.

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[gob]

I see clear reasoning, you seem awfully ready to hand out town-reads.

[gob]

Cool beans.

Lets get better explanations for the Ika read, both Heartless and Luna.

[gob]

k1ll

???????

is there a clique from another site?
you seem like you already know each other

i cant say we're friends but we do talk a lot.

Besides, if Masons focus on towny players, while during the day phase we lynch scummy players it gives less spots for scum to hide in.
While if a scum can become super towny, and wont be lynched and Masons dont attempt to recruit them then they can easily coast until endgame undetected.
So i think this course of action will corner scum more easily.

This isn't specifically what your post said.

Your post was very much like fence sitting. You said they wouldn't be townie or scummy, but this is implying that players naturally scummy all the time.

You said they would lay under the radar, but isn't this also considered scummy? Your post is essentially a fluff (l
("Fluff" is what we call any and all irrelevant or simply unsubstantial talk during the day. Examples can be as little as "good job jailor" or as big as people having a full-on conversation about their favorite anime. The fact is, ToS is a game of strategy- not a chatroom. If you find someone with similar interests and want to talk to them, that's awesome. But please, add them after the game and discuss it somewhere else. Saying "gj jailor" or "omg vig why did you random shoot" may seem harmless, but when all 13 people in the game say it, you've just wasted 13 lines of chat to pretty much not do anything at all.) Seeing as your post is mainly useless.

This also can be a post to fall back on later

This fluff example was fluffier than anything Luna had said.

Also hi again!

What is so fluffy about this? If you look at context it makes sense.

@Gob, who were you saying is handing out too many Townreads? It looks like you were talking to Luna when you said it, but in context looks like you could have been referring to Heartless as well.

Luna.

[gob]

I think Alchemist is scum.

[gob]

So why did you call Luna scum for having too many Townreads and not comment on Heartless' comment of everyone who had posted seems Town?

Compare their two posts.

Tell me Luna doesnt look more scummy, if you say otherwise, then you can have a wrong opinion.

I think Alchemist is scum.

Do you have a reason for this or is it gut?

I hate your tone, frankly. So i guess this is gut.

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Okay so with two new replacements we'll be happy to see reads from people who arent annoying as fuck.

Lets get out of that, it's pointless bickering.

VOTE: KTS

I really don't like his play. He just seems anti town right off the bat for me. If I see something different I'll review my vote.

This seems pretty towny to me.

VOTE: unvote
VOTE: Alchemist21

[gob]

Also can fire, Heartless and pretty much everyone stop with the really low quality posts that are spamming the thread.

Shut up, seriously.

[gob]

i mean if im going to have to be in this game, im going to speak my mind.

just do

everyone

a favor, not just me.

[gob]

KTS anger looks very real to me, her content is also very pushy, i am way more inclined to believe she is trying to move the game forward at a reasonable pace.

I do not think KTS is scum.

[gob]

VOTE: unvote
VOTE: Firebringer

Lets just get rid of this kid so we can actually focus on the game here, 70+ posts and only about 6 are noteworthy.

[gob]

VOTE: unvote
VOTE: Firebringer

Lets just get rid of this kid so we can actually focus on the game here, 70+ posts and only about 6 are noteworthy.

You are essentially saying you don't want to scum hunt anymore. I get your sentiment, but this is a bad idea.

Wrong, im just saying them posting a ton of dumb stuff makes it harder to scumhunt, imo.

Right, and we're left with what exactly? gob changed his meta on MS woop-dee-doop cool story

whatever

I'mma go sleep brain has quit

FoS Gob.

I don't like the feeling I get about him. His playing now is an easy way to play, but it doesn't catch much scum. That isn't normal Gobln. At all.

Can i not be more calm on a different site?

[gob]

No, not really. You're personality is the complete opposite of how you're acting.

Lmfao, may be due to the fact i was temp-banned.

Lets just end this discussion, and move on.

[gob]

No, not really. You're personality is the complete opposite of how you're acting.

Lmfao, may be due to the fact i was temp-banned.

Lets just end this discussion, and move on.

I'd rather not change the subject Gob.

What are your reads.

I hope you realize this is changing the subject.


My reads are Alchemist Scum
You town
Vendith town

other people idk

[gob]

tbh i dont even know what you're saying.

I think Vedith has been pretty towny, and i think him voting you makes sense, the only reason i think YOU are town is because i know how you play.

[gob]

kts, i swear you are going to take SOMETHING from my posting this game. and you're going to be a better player for it.

i've already sunk WAY too much emotional energy into this game for you to not

it's happening.

Nope.

Because I know everything you're saying, but that's for normal players. I'm not normal, I'm fucking crazy. You'll see that soon if I'm not NKed.

Stop treating me like a newb, too, lad, kbaithx.

I'd like to think that we an all learn new things from each other, and that this helps us to grow and improve.

Or we could all just dig in and blind ourselves to all outside influences and pretend that we're perfect as we are.

I know I'm not perfect.

I already gut read him in the before post I talked about him, which stated (may as well adapt) since I've read up on a couple games, and surprisingly, MS gut reads seem to be pretty consistent.

I don't understand this.

I think KTS is just being abrasive. Not sure scum would be so confrontational.

Why not?

The last time I played this setup, I trolled the shit out of Toffee. I was super confrontational. And I was also Scum.

I mean it's very possible. I don't think it means she is scum automatically. Her recent posts look alot better as well.

I have a slight town read on you, but I don't like taking other people's experience as a tool in scum hunting. I sheeped one time, and it didn't turn out well.

I'm not asking anyone to sheep anything. I'm just saying that Scum being confrontational is
A. not impossible and, while we're at it
B. could even be a pro strategy if used right in this setup (this was something I brought up in O570 and noticed when I ISO'd me!).

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Gray can be Town. Maybe not Exp? I keep flipflopping badly on Exp. I don't know what to think.

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gob-story discussion feels kind of awkward? idk. Anti, what do you think?

Oh, and I still don't trust you Anti.
But that's OK.

yea okay the awkward conversation, me and k1ll got into a fight in a skype chat like 3 days ago and i've never really respected her play on other forums tbh.
I tried to jump around her questions about why i was acting different because i am a little embarrassed that i was banned from forums.

I disagree with the Alch read in Post 328

What don't you agree with?

Do you have a town read on him?

Yes.
Can you explain to me what is so anti-town about Post 222?

My reads are Alchemist Scum
You town
Vendith town

other people idk

Any explanations for these reads?

I do not like how Alchemist has been acting, Vendith on the other hand looks like he is moving discussion forward in a positive manner.
I've already explained k1ll. Her frustration is very real and very towny to me.

[gob]

sigh

tell us more

[gob]

#AntiHero is leading mislynches!!! What else is new?

I think he has a fairly level-headed view. Can you really explain to us what is wrong with lynching you?

[gob]

I like grayfoxxx as well, his posts seem to be straight up in discussions.

I think Ika is town, they arent doing anything, start doing shit please.

[gob]

#AntiHero is leading mislynches!!! What else is new?

I think he has a fairly level-headed view. Can you really explain to us what is wrong with lynching you?

Umm I am town?

how?

expand on this.

I knew you were going to reply with a comment like this, only furthers my belief that you are scum.

[gob]

ew this is the worst question ever

gross

Is it really though? Given everything we have seen, even after my comment.

[gob]

Because the only reason I have ika as town is because his Mason claim seems believable and he's even asking people if they want to be added to the Mason thread. Otherwise, he's been active at first and then sort of faded out and hasn't really posted anything of substance.

I'll say that my strongest townreads are Antihero, Alchemist, Shaddowez, Expedience, and Vedith. I lean town on Gob, ika, KTS, and Gray. So, that leaves me with a pool or GM, City, and Fire. But that doesn't seem right especially since GM seems to be suspicious of both Fire and City.

So, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong within Gob, ika, KTS, and Gray. KTS is the one I wonder if I townread too easily. If she were scum, she has to have some type of abrasiveness to go along with how she acts as town especially if she's played offsite.

Re-reading Gob's ISO, there isn't a lot of scumhunting there. He dodges the question about why he found Luna scummy but not Heartless when both those players townread the entire active playerbase and he votes Firebringer essentially as a policy-lynch. The Alchemist scumread doesn't make sense when he also claims Alchemist is wrong, not scum. It is also basically an OMGUS of Alchemist after Alchemist asks him a valid question. The one town thing besides his abrasiveness is that how he reads KTS as town but insists that it makes sense for other people to scumread KTS. Saying Antihero has a level-headed view also contradicts his earlier annoyance with Heartless where he just says "shut up." But the towntells I pointed out in my previous post still stand so I'm null here.

On GrayFox, I disagree with his Alchemist read but his being paranoid of the leading wagons because his scumreads on them is still town and his re-reading Firebringer and ISOing him looks town as well and shows that he's dynamically developing his reads.

@GrayFox

, please elaborate on exactly what you find scummy about Alchemist and Vedith.

Tone is everything my man.

[gob]

Also it wasnt an OMGUS after Alchemist asked a question, it was a statement. My read makes plenty of sense to me.

The reason i found Luna scummy but not Heartless is because Luna seemed legit while heartless was just dicking around, i would call the reads null at this point.


I can 100% understand why people are reading KTS as scum, but as someone who has played with her before, this is standard for her.

[gob]

So, Gob, talk to me. Who's scum?

you

[gob]

So, Gob, talk to me. Who's scum?

you

Then vote me

nah.

[gob]

VOTE: Vedith

Vedith is scum no question.

[gob]

GrayFoxxxx definitely looking like a Town.

I two am interested in why Ika is so high up on the town list as well.

[gob]

But all 3 go into my scummier pile in this order (Only 1 scum here, but there is a scum here for sure imo).

So, if there's only one scum in that pile and Fire has already flipped, who is the third scum?

@Exp: Where is your scumread on me coming from?

So, Gob, talk to me. Who's scum?

you

Then vote me

nah.

VOTE: Vedith

Vedith is scum no question.

What happened between these two posts that made you change your mind?

I wanted to place a vote, i didnt at the time since i dont want to do what scum asks me too.

Anyway, im not sure how i feel about GrayFoxx, GM brings up points, especially the cheese one.
I think KTS is town and the wagon on her is looking a little weird, the fact that there is 3 on her concerns and annoys me.

[gob]

Sorry for my inactivity recently, school took a turn for the worse, i am here to finish what i have started.

[gob]

City is definitly the scum here. Followed by Gray probably.

VOTE: CityElectric

[gob]

well fuck, i would say the only inkling of thought i have against who is scum is Alchemist or Grayfoxxxxx

[gob]

Pagetop.

Back, anyway alchemist, can i get a full explanation on you thinking k1ll is scum, you may have explained it, but its all over the place and evidently i am not keeping up with the game properly.

[gob]

VOTE: Alchemist21