Open 608: Jungle Republic - A jungle is conquered(game over)

Titus · Post Post #478 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:29 pm

In post 462, Vedith wrote:Cheers ZZZX, hope it gets sorted.

Hello Titus.

So, who voted for AH? FB do the searching for me please!

Which wagon and at what time?

Or are you wanting a VCA analysis?

P.S. I'm totally drunk, so lay it out slowly please.

Titus · Post Post #479 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:34 pm

Wanderer, how many finished games have you done with Vedith?

Titus · Post Post #484 (isolation #2) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:41 pm

In post 483, Firebringer wrote:
In post 482, shaddowez wrote:As for me not being on the Anti wagon, there wasn't really a chance for me to - I wasn't around between the thread unlocking and the hammer.

Then get on the wanderer wagon?
If you aren't scum then both Hayato and Titus should be scum (if you think Anti wasn't bussed)
Even if she wasn't bussed we could say Wanderer is from another scum team, which is a possibility.
I think more likely he bussed she bussed her teammate.

I'm a little drunk but this makes no sense.

Anti, by setup design, only has one partner.

Titus · Post Post #496 (isolation #3) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:48 am

Vedith seems awfully concerned about lynching WW only.

VOTE: Vedith

I am thinking Wanderer and Vedith as mafia. WW TBD.

Titus · Post Post #499 (isolation #4) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:03 am

Everyone's concerned about the WW. No one who is town should unvote if they think the target could be WW or mafia. Your thought process reads that Wanderer could be/likely is mafia and we shouldn't be concerned with that.

Titus · Post Post #508 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:38 am

We lynch scum, no matter who it is first. Having WW alive increases cross kill odds so a mafia could die at night. WW lynch just means no more kills. Also WW alive means the seer an PoE the game.

Wow, my two mafia suspects immediately doubtcast me after I say they're scum together. :/

Titus · Post Post #531 (isolation #6) » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:55 am

In post 501, Wanderer-nl wrote:@Titus: Are you deliberately being obtuse? What are you trying to gain from that?

I am right, not obtuse. I am trying to lynch scum.

I thought this was just you gloating in my face

Titus · Post Post #532 (isolation #7) » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:57 am

Oh and here's my catchup.

*farts* I never read on subbing in as town.

Titus · Post Post #550 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:46 am

In post 544, DeasVail wrote:Oh wait, I forgot to answer the townread question.

There were 2 reasons for it not being as concerning from you. One is because of my history with Klick. He's wrongly trusted me before so I'd expect him to be more cautious here. And second is because your townread was just a mention (iirc) of 20 feeling town to you. I feel this kind of reasoning is the sort that scum would consider weak and that they'd opt for more ~logical~ reasoning (i.e. Klick), whereas a post "feeling town" is often the way town will get reads (especially game) if they're being honest.

This is totally backwards to me. Sure in RVS or early subbing in, people go with "feeling" but logic tends to take over late. Gut feelings cannot be shown as false, so it's an easy refuge for scum.

Scum generally don't care to be checked out at all and stick far too hard for the reasons they have.

Titus · Post Post #552 (isolation #9) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:55 am

You see Wanderer...

You're asking others to interact with me, but refusing to do so yourself. Busiwork.

Titus · Post Post #567 (isolation #10) » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:17 pm

In post 557, DeasVail wrote:Also I'd like to lynch Shaddowez. I wasn't a fan of his response to me.

Why were you not a fan?

Titus · Post Post #568 (isolation #11) » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:18 pm

In post 562, Not_Mafia wrote:Whoah I was prodded, knda lost reads wise, someone claim scum

I claim Alien. No one gets me. :-p

Titus · Post Post #581 (isolation #12) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:29 pm

@Firebringer, are there differences in when he scumreads you?

Titus · Post Post #633 (isolation #13) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:36 am

Totally forgot about this game due to personal chaos.

Saw the request for a VCA. For my VCA, I do need to know was there a seer guilty alleged or not? Likely not since there's no seer flip. Players do act differently when there's a perceived guilty. I am going to presume there was not one.

Titus · Post Post #638 (isolation #14) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:19 am

In post 635, Vedith wrote:Who cares? The only people that will be disappointed with that are the WW's...

Not sure what you're saying here...

Anyway the guilty is relevant because if scum of both variants believed the guilty it makes them much more likely to be on the wagon rather than off it.

Titus · Post Post #639 (isolation #15) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:20 am

@Shiro, isn't that analysis true for any player in the game?

Why not lynch Wanderer or Vedith?

I know you don't bite, so why NM as a policy today?

Titus · Post Post #640 (isolation #16) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:23 am

Hey DV, did you roll scum again? Is NM your buddy? Why haven't you interacted with my Vedith + Wanderer suggestion but not having enough of a read on who the WW was?

Titus · Post Post #643 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:33 am

Can the first post be updated? My vca is significantly harder without that?

Titus · Post Post #645 (isolation #18) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:09 am

Pimhel and myko were vts I am assuming.

Do you think DV is mafia assuming you're right on NM?

608 really got me thinking, even though I think wanderer and Vedith are unnaturally close.

Titus · Post Post #646 (isolation #19) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:09 am

In post 625, DeasVail wrote:I don't have a read on NM and would rather lynch someone I think is very likely scum.

What have you been doing to fix this?

Titus · Post Post #649 (isolation #20) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:34 am

In post 648, Vedith wrote:Why is it so hard to lynch?

When I debate moving, you say something so scummy and opportunist like this. You're not likely mafia because of the D1 wagons but :/ this makes me reluctant to vote nm/dv.

On and my vca will not be formatted.

Titus · Post Post #650 (isolation #21) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:40 am

I have electrical issues so :/ trying to get that sorted.

Titus · Post Post #651 (isolation #22) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:46 am

VCA notes

Vedith and Firebringer are not likely mafia scum. Wanderer gets a little not mafia indication for the end vote d1.

If scum were bussers, I would expect an IS lynch to go through day 1.

When the Ika wagon recycles d2 but with DV and nm added, it makes me wonder...why not day 1?

I need anti's last death wagon votes to be sure on WW vca. It looks like everyone believed myko, so anti's partner is likely on the wagon.

Titus · Post Post #652 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:48 am

Please ask questions regarding this.

it's hard for me to do a visual representation of things atm.

Titus · Post Post #654 (isolation #24) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:38 pm

No. What are you doing to fix your lack of a read on NM?

VOTE: unvote

Titus · Post Post #655 (isolation #25) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:39 pm

Intent to vote not mafia.

Titus · Post Post #663 (isolation #26) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:21 am

In post 658, Shiro wrote:
In post 657, DeasVail wrote:Why do you need to state intent to vote him? Why not just vote?

That is actually a good question titus. It not like ika is still alive.

Scum sometimes quick hammer, ika' policy being irrelevant.

VOTE: not mafia

Titus · Post Post #664 (isolation #27) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:22 am

@Deas Vail, why did you deflect instead of answering what you're doing to fix your lack of read on not mafia?

Titus · Post Post #668 (isolation #28) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:58 am

After nm flips scum, we should turbo lynch DV.

Titus · Post Post #670 (isolation #29) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:09 am

Shiro you did make a mistake on one condition though.

If nm is ww, it would not be mylo as mafia have no kill in this setup I think.

Titus · Post Post #676 (isolation #30) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:06 am

Role PMs are in first post and 2 v 2 is scum win.

If NM is WW.

3 v 2 is mylo. 4 v 2 is another day at the office.

Titus · Post Post #687 (isolation #31) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:19 am

VOTE: Shaddowez

You don't see at all.

Titus · Post Post #689 (isolation #32) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:25 pm

....FB your math is so wrong.

Titus · Post Post #691 (isolation #33) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:43 pm

Ok, why do we need WW alive?

Titus · Post Post #692 (isolation #34) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:44 pm

I am going to school you in a bit, ten I will show my crumb.

Titus · Post Post #694 (isolation #35) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:17 pm

That math is also wrong. Today is the only day we can lynch the WW and win still unless they fuck up.

We lynch me (the real seer) tonight, you no kill.

That leaves 3 not mafia, versus 2 mafia. If we lynch you then, mafia wins. So we can't. You win as long as you keep the sides even.

The gambit of being the first to post to target the real seer was your last ditch effort to secure a win.

Guess what, you failed.

Think if you had killed the actual seer, you couldn't pull this gambit at all. You'd have to gamble on a town lynch without arrowing the field to two.

Titus · Post Post #695 (isolation #36) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:20 pm

In post 639, Titus wrote:@Shiro, isn't that analysis true for any player in the game?

Why not lynch Wanderer or Vedith?

I know you don't bite, so why NM as a policy today?

My WW crumb. Shiro was not ww as he doesn't bite.

Titus · Post Post #696 (isolation #37) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:20 pm

* WW cop crumb

Titus · Post Post #698 (isolation #38) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:43 pm

You're trying to mock that I am in a weak position. If we don't lynch you today, we can't lynch you tomorrow.

After you mislynch me, you'd have

Town
Town
Werewolf
Mafia
Mafia

Town won't vote to lynch you there, as it hands mafia the win.

Try to bluster your way through the math, but it's unavoidable.

I love it when a plan comes together.

Titus · Post Post #699 (isolation #39) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:44 pm

It's mafia's move right now. Which do they believe and do they value the nk? No lynch can go through without them.

Titus · Post Post #703 (isolation #40) » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:33 am

Let's look at the math.

4 not mafia v 2 mafia

If we hit a mafia, then it really depends on the nks. If ww crosskills, we're ok (3 town v 1 ww, game in lylo with scum not being able to hammer. If ww hits town, then we have 2 town, 1 ww, and one mafia. Same situation today and we have to lynch the ww. If the ww no kills, then 3 town v 1 ww v 1 mafia. That gives us breathing room, so that won't happen.

TLDR: If we lynch mafia today, the game becomes lylo and we have to hit ww.

If we Mislynch, we shift to 2 town v 1 ww v 2 mafia. Ww no kills (same if we lynched seer). Shadowez and I must work together to find the last townie. Game is in triple lylo, must lynch both mafia and then solve me versus shadow. Of course, if we lynch a mafia with 2 town alive, the ww may kill town creating a 1 v 1 v 1, which could cause a ww win. Then again if ww cross kills, game hits lylo.

Tldr: if we mislynch, we have to lynch mafia and possibly get lucky on the kills. Someone should verify my math here.

I think it's too risky, and I doubt mafia will vote elsewhere. If we wanted to lynch mafia today, shaddowez and I must agree (6 alive, 4 to lynch) along with the remaining townies. It'll be hard to lynch mafia rather than the 50/50 chance to lynch ww today.

Titus · Post Post #705 (isolation #41) » Sat Oct 03, 2015 3:31 am

What does Yandere-chan mean? It's a compliment I think, so thank you.

Titus · Post Post #707 (isolation #42) » Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:02 am

Ether made it. Lol. It looked good.

Titus · Post Post #712 (isolation #43) » Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:17 am

We might win.

Titus · Post Post #715 (isolation #44) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:42 pm

Yeah, I claim werewolf. I have hammer. Mathematically mafia had to be on the shaddowez wagon so we should lynch there.

I would also ask if you just let me auto accelerate night when I make up my mind since I have the only night actions.

Titus · Post Post #718 (isolation #45) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:38 pm

@Shiro, Funny how you try to force a no lynch when I put the wagon suspicion on you. I am good at high pressure sales darling. But here, I will humor you and ask the right question for you...

Is there a happily ever after condition mod? If so, what triggers it and what are the consequences?

Second, there's zero harm in scumhunting while we wait to make sure that I don't double shoot town if I must move first darling.

Titus · Post Post #722 (isolation #46) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:03 pm

@Shiro, And how do you think that

everyone

won't lose in a draw?

The less info I have, the more likely I am to misfire and hit town, not scum.

Titus · Post Post #723 (isolation #47) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:04 pm

Scum win if I shoot and hit town as half the living players would be mafia. We cannot no lynch.

Titus · Post Post #724 (isolation #48) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:05 pm

Town would be depending on me to hit mafia. Yet by reaching for the cookie jar, you may have just handed me the game but for FB being impossible to read.

Forcing me to shoot without info is bad.

Titus · Post Post #727 (isolation #49) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:19 pm

Mafia cannot lynch me.

Lynch mafia, I hit mafia. Town wins.

You can try Hugh pressure sales but it won't work.

No lynch. I shoot mafia. You lynch mafia. I shoot town. Town loses.
No lynch. I shoot town. Town loses.
No lynch. I shoot mafia. You lynch town. Town loses.
No lynch. I shoot mafia. I shoot mafia. Town wins. That's only going to happen if I have info.

You're better off with lynch mafia, I accidently shoot mafia because you can ply me.

Like me or not, you need me as most nl lead to town loss.

Titus · Post Post #728 (isolation #50) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:20 pm

In post 726, Shiro wrote:
In post 722, Titus wrote:@Shiro, And how do you think that everyone won't lose in a draw?

Sure. Everyone loses in a draw. I am betting that you want win.

I count it as a win I lived through a cop lynch and not providing my VCA or having to fake my checks dear.

Titus · Post Post #731 (isolation #51) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:53 pm

And why would mafia help lynch me in 4p lylo?

You no lynch. I shoot mafia. Mafia don't lynch me because it's autoloss. They make a case they fooled everyone, but I will out the last mafia if you move to lynch me.

Good night Shiro.

Titus · Post Post #732 (isolation #52) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:53 pm

In post 730, Firebringer wrote:
In post 724, Titus wrote:Town would be depending on me to hit mafia. Yet by reaching for the cookie jar, you may have just handed me the game but for FB being impossible to read.

Forcing me to shoot without info is bad.

I am impossible to read?

Since when?

Every game ever.

Titus · Post Post #753 (isolation #53) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:21 am

Yeah, no it isn't.

Titus · Post Post #754 (isolation #54) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:28 am

By the way, I am about 95% certain Shiro and Firebringer are the mafia.

Mafia's best play to win was lynch a town today, but I excluded DV making a quick win very difficult for them. If they could not win today, then they have to win with some form of lylo which means lynching me.

You can't lynch me without no lynching today, no lynching was the pro mafia strategy.

Lynch mafia was the better move.

Titus · Post Post #755 (isolation #55) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:28 am

Vedith gives me minor creeps by voting me though.

Titus · Post Post #756 (isolation #56) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:32 am

In post 743, Shiro wrote:Why won't you listen to me.

Why do you think Titus is so opposed to no lynch she knows she loses this way.

No. I don't lose in no lynch if I crack the game. You keep selling this which is bad.

If I can no kill without auto drawing, that's what I will do to force mandatory reflection on the town's part.

Titus · Post Post #758 (isolation #57) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:11 am

I could just shoot you and rely on my ability to be 100% certain and strike fear into your partner because I am almost certainly shooting you. I would rather not though as hunting mafia is best done with a collective.

Titus · Post Post #760 (isolation #58) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:19 am

Well, then you're going to have to scumhunt fast.

If you're town, at least one of FB Vedith must be scum. Pick one.

Titus · Post Post #761 (isolation #59) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:20 am

Second your "great plan" from your perspective got rapid mafia approval.

Titus · Post Post #763 (isolation #60) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:35 am

@Shiro, FB moved his vote after I accused you of being scum together trying to rush the game.

I am also not buying Vedith scum with either you or FB right now, VCA pending.

Titus · Post Post #764 (isolation #61) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:36 am

FB actually was really not town at all there.

Titus · Post Post #765 (isolation #62) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:37 am

Now FB cannot hammer NL without claiming Mafia so there is that.

Titus · Post Post #766 (isolation #63) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:42 am

Mod can you edit in the last post before the D1 deadline, and update post 1? Thanks.

Titus · Post Post #768 (isolation #64) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:46 am

I actually first accused you in 724.

Titus · Post Post #769 (isolation #65) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:47 am

If you want me to consider shooting elsewhere, unvote no lynch.

DV could hammer NL (and you think he's scum), so why give that opportunity as town?

Titus · Post Post #770 (isolation #66) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:48 am

Why would you have won if scum with FB?

Titus · Post Post #772 (isolation #67) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:05 am

2 town plus 2 mafia and no me = mafia win.

Titus · Post Post #774 (isolation #68) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:07 am

@Shiro, Suppose you are right and Vedith is scum, then he literally is going through the best mafia scenarios.

FB and Vedith were in a race to unvote there if you were town.

Titus · Post Post #775 (isolation #69) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:08 am

In post 773, Shiro wrote:
In post 772, Titus wrote:2 town plus 2 mafia and no me = mafia win.

I know

That what I am saying

If what you say is correct and me and FB are mafia together(which it isnt) then w would have won. This is me telling you that you are wrong about that.

I think mafia is VD and Vedith

This assumes you were present and could have hammered me.

Why don't you consider FB Vedith?

Titus · Post Post #776 (isolation #70) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:10 am

For the record, there is a Vedith DV narrative to tell here as well.

Titus · Post Post #779 (isolation #71) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:15 am

By being so confident that the answer us DV/Vedith (assuming you are town and right), you are foiling your own plan. Let's say I shoot DV.

What incentive does Vedith have to hammer me, knowing that you'll lynch him the next day? None. He won't do it.

Then, you'll be back in the lynched mafia, I shot town scenario anyway.

Titus · Post Post #780 (isolation #72) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:16 am

@Vedith, if you think Shiro is mafia, he's selling what's best for mafia. You should vote her if you think she's mafia.

Titus · Post Post #781 (isolation #73) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:18 am

The only way for town to win is to trick me into shooting mafia after lynching mafia by playing deception with reads.

Titus · Post Post #783 (isolation #74) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:22 am

Then you side with the WW for the long shot I am an idiot and shoot the second mafia.

You should vote FB.

Titus · Post Post #785 (isolation #75) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:28 am

You lynch mafia today.
I shoot mafia because you trick me.

Tomorrow is 2 town v me, and I don't even think I can pull that out.

Titus · Post Post #787 (isolation #76) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:35 am

Yes, you have to vote mafia.

Titus · Post Post #788 (isolation #77) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:36 am

I'm trying not to push the specific target beyond no DV because there has to be one scum in you three.

Titus · Post Post #791 (isolation #78) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:59 am

Well V? Do you think FB is scum or not?

@Shiro, I agree it's the alternative scenario that DV Vedith to you FB.

I know mathematically the lynch to save me couldn't go through without one mafia at least approving it. So while I like DV as possible scum, by the numbers its best to lynch in anyone but me or him.

Titus · Post Post #794 (isolation #79) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:18 am

@Shiro, I think I recognize clueless scum when I see it.

You want me to consider not shooting you, you have to vote your scumread in Vedith. Then the burden will shift to V to shoot his.

Titus · Post Post #798 (isolation #80) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:22 am

@Vedith, I lose if mafia don't die first, so I want to play by the numbers for safety.

Titus · Post Post #799 (isolation #81) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:24 am

@Shiro, If we lynch mafia, then you want me confused as to who the other is. Being stubborn on being right isn't helpful.

Titus · Post Post #800 (isolation #82) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:34 am

Talk to me about DV + FB.

Titus · Post Post #802 (isolation #83) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:40 am

Depends on the game state when he's wagoned.

Given the behavior of you two, this looks like a 2 v 2 ( which I told you to avoid for the record). I guess which two right, I win regardless of lynch or no lynch.

Titus · Post Post #803 (isolation #84) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:42 am

@Shiro, I am insanely risk averse but gambit willing as scum.

As town, I am risk averse and gambit hesitant.

If your plan requires me gambling, it's a bad plan unless I am forced to gmble.

Titus · Post Post #805 (isolation #85) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:44 am

In post 804, Vedith wrote:
In post 798, Titus wrote:@Vedith, I lose if mafia don't die first, so I want to play by the numbers for safety.

Why?
Sure if we lynched a town today and then you kill scum tonight, it's the same as the other way around...

I don't think so.

The moment we lynch town, it's 2 v1 v 1, mafia have half which is what their PM requires.

Titus · Post Post #807 (isolation #86) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:46 am

I have to kill mafia town mafia town to win.
Mafia have to lynch/have me kill a town too early to win.
Town have to get mafia mafia ww deaths to win.

Titus · Post Post #809 (isolation #87) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:50 am

Shiro, mafia won't agree to the ww lynch if you're right BC they have no chance of mling town after lynching me.

They'd nl again. I would shoot you in that case.

Titus · Post Post #812 (isolation #88) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:55 am

In post 810, Shiro wrote:
In post 809, Titus wrote:Shiro, mafia won't agree to the ww lynch if you're right BC they have no chance of mling town after lynching me.

They'd nl again. I would shoot you in that case.

Back when they were all more misinformed they might had anyway it is over now

Never presume dumb scum.

You can catch scum BC they are too smart.

Titus · Post Post #815 (isolation #89) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:58 am

In post 811, Vedith wrote:
In post 805, Titus wrote:
In post 804, Vedith wrote:
In post 798, Titus wrote:@Vedith, I lose if mafia don't die first, so I want to play by the numbers for safety.

Why?
Sure if we lynched a town today and then you kill scum tonight, it's the same as the other way around...

I don't think so.

The moment we lynch town, it's 2 v1 v 1, mafia have half which is what their PM requires.

Wouldn't it be half or nothing can prevent this from happening?
So the fact that you get a NK would prevent them winning.

Key word is

OR

, not AND. They reached fifty percent, that's an optional win condition. We can clarify this publicly though because if I can lynch/shoot town today that takes a lot of pressure off.

Mod, does mafia win if we lynch town today?

Mod, does mafia win if we no lynch and I shoot town?

Titus · Post Post #816 (isolation #90) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:59 am

@Vedith, why no cross vote?

Titus · Post Post #820 (isolation #91) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:11 am

Vote No Lynch

I just realized that Shiro is right after reading the wiki.

If we lynch scum today, I must no kill because if I shoot town we get in a 1 v 1 v 1, which I lose.

I have to have a mafia die, town get lynched, then shoot mafia to win.

Titus · Post Post #822 (isolation #92) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:15 am

No Vedith, I am not mafia. Mafia win when only one member of each faction is alive at daybreak.

Titus · Post Post #824 (isolation #93) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:17 am

The official Jungle Republic wiki

Titus · Post Post #826 (isolation #94) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:20 am

@Vedith, you should unvote if you're waiting on clarification.

Titus · Post Post #827 (isolation #95) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:23 am

I think this game is a draw.

We lynch mafia, then 2 v 1 v 1. Town does no lynch. I can't kill or I lose. Mafia won't lynch me because it's a loss for them.

If everyone plays optimally, no one can win with the blasted 1 v 1 v 1 being mafia win.

Titus · Post Post #829 (isolation #96) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:29 am

Nah this is a tie.

Titus · Post Post #830 (isolation #97) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:30 am

I am not voting, so unless mafia bus you will lose.

Titus · Post Post #831 (isolation #98) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:35 am

Mod: We have hit a point where both sides need me to act to win, but at best any action I take is equal to no action supposing smart town and mafia. Can we call it a draw?

Titus · Post Post #835 (isolation #99) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:57 am

@FB, Your scum reads?

Titus · Post Post #861 (isolation #100) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:30 am

Ok, I am not voting here. Lynching anyone means I lose.

I am going to try to shoot scum tonight. If I fail, I lose. It's decidedly anti-win con but shooting with four alive is worst.

I have to play to lynch four alive and get a town flip. I will not be voting to lynch. Mafia, knowing this will not bus. A lynch today is a town loss.

Everyone should put forth their final reads. Then vote. No more discussion.

It's a very middle o the road approach for both sides and then scumhunt tomorrow. Given I cannot kill with four alive, town will have to lynch or lose.

Mafia will have to lynch or lose.

Good luck.

I have to play this way to not game throw.

Titus · Post Post #862 (isolation #101) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:46 am

Also, I am asking in order to shorten the game for y'all to give me the unilateral authority to shorten night. Not sure if scum want that given this is their last night with chat though.

Titus · Post Post #864 (isolation #102) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:14 am

Shiro, please save that for post game. Ty.

So vote no lynch? I know your reads.

Titus · Post Post #867 (isolation #103) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:29 am

@FB, I won a real life victory so that's good.

Titus · Post Post #870 (isolation #104) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:33 am

My work. I'm a lawyer.

Titus · Post Post #872 (isolation #105) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:34 am

In post 869, Vedith wrote:It's funny how you want to no lynch now FB since it's a 50% of you winning
When there's only a small % for town to win here lol.

No. 1 v 1 v 1 at daybreak is a mafia win.

We lynch FB today. I cannot kill without losing.

Titus · Post Post #876 (isolation #106) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:37 am

@FB, Can't talk about it.

Titus · Post Post #879 (isolation #107) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:39 am

In post 875, Vedith wrote:Yeah and I can't win unless we lynch scum today, or you kill scum in each night phase...
FB has a 50% chance of winning as scum as you have 1 in 2 chance of hitting town

Town can win if I shoot scum tonight but you need mafia's help.

I can win tomorrow, but I need mafia's help.

Mafia can win but they need town or my help. Mafia has to make their next move based on wh they think they can fool more.

Titus · Post Post #881 (isolation #108) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:41 am

Tomorrow, I will be a lot less helpful.

Titus · Post Post #884 (isolation #109) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:42 am

In post 880, Shiro wrote:This has turned into such an adventurous mind game.

Hallmark of Titus scum.

Titus · Post Post #885 (isolation #110) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:45 am

In post 883, Vedith wrote:Scum voting you or themselves if you kill scum tonight is not playing to their win condition.
We cannot win tomorrow.

I expect that you will kill FB tonight then me the next night.

Plothole. Even if accurate, mafia win if I do that.

I am perfectly willing to lynch mafia tomorrow.

Titus · Post Post #887 (isolation #111) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:48 am

Now I actually have to determine who to shoot....

Titus · Post Post #891 (isolation #112) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:56 am

If mod unlocks, I may just submit my night action here and we an keep playing without the mod. Lol. Don't think I will decide that fast though. Night killing is one of my weaker points as scum.

Titus · Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:11 am

The only person I want to hear from is DV minus Shiro wanting to push Shiro as town.

Shiro, why can't you be frustrated because FB fucked up?

Titus · Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:12 am

*Vedith wanting to push Shiro as town...

Titus · Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:14 am

@Vedith, I can't kill with 4 alive and won't do it. I am forcing a lynch tomorrow.

Titus · Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:18 am

@Vedith, Yup. Prisoner's dillema. Hence why I asked for a draw.

Titus · Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:25 am

@Shiro, I am depending on scum knowing they'll lose after they lynch me. Then, they cannot. They hold firm in not lynching me.

If we lynch mafia, I cannot shoot guaranteed. I shoot town, then 1 v 1 v 1 is not a tiebreaker but mafia win. I shoot scum, I get lynched.

If we lynch town, mafia wins. My hand is forced today.

Titus · Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:27 am

Then if mafia will not lynch me, town cannot get a lynch off. Someone as to throw the game.

Hence draw.

Titus · Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:33 am

@Vedith, I am not answering that. (A)

Titus · Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:52 pm

I have decided I am going to wait on ZZX to do my shoot.

Leaning towards a DV shot.

Titus · Post Post #922 (isolation #121) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:37 pm

Submitted my night action.

I tried my best to shoot scum, but I am ok with being wrong because then no one must game throw.

Titus · Post Post #925 (isolation #122) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:12 am

*shrug*

I was wrong but figured DV was the townie Mislynch.

Oh well. I couldn't win without game throwing anyway.

Titus · Post Post #927 (isolation #123) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:44 am

@Shiro, If tomorrow happened, it would have been less fun for all as someone has to game throw.

I always chicken out on shooting DV.

Titus · Post Post #929 (isolation #124) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:41 am

I hope I at least made it a challenge.

Titus · Post Post #930 (isolation #125) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:41 am

Did you think I was seer or WW?

Titus · Post Post #937 (isolation #126) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:18 am

@Anti, the mod still hasn't given me access to scumchat...

Titus · Post Post #939 (isolation #127) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:22 am

Yeah he made some comment about there being nothing there.

Titus · Post Post #943 (isolation #128) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:35 am

I can't find that comment in my inbox and I rarely delete anything...so there's a slight chance I could be confused there, but I can't find the mod's reply to me asking for chat.

Did your wall have the right seer?

Titus · Post Post #944 (isolation #129) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:35 am

I would have sheeped your wall btw

Titus · Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:03 am

@Anti, up to you.

@ZZZX, I did....

Titus · Post Post #952 (isolation #131) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:19 pm

I didn't. I suck at PR hunting. I shot you because I figured since you and myko were close he'd feel most comfortable faking seer. It was a guess.

Then I just crumbed seer when I could BC I had no clue.

Titus · Post Post #954 (isolation #132) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:43 pm

So damn, you thought I was scum too DV. I was hoping I fooled you.

Titus · Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:17 pm

@Shaddowez, I am the most helpful scum you'll ever meet.