Open 612 - Bad Poets Society - Game Over - Town Win

[GrayFoxxxx]

VOTE: vedith

[GrayFoxxxx]

VOTE: The Fire Hermit

Hello guys.

Ummmm. Take a moment to read the mod posts.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Brunneis heres my train of thought

- rvs is a time where we pressure each other trying to get out of rvs. If i am wrong about this please let me know for future games
- ranger opened with light pressure on makara
- in my opinion makara overresponded to this pressure. Could have asked to explain the vote or something else (like he did with my vote) but he responded with a serious vote that has yet to be justified

I don't agree that mak over responded.
It felt like an almost equal response, to an odd vote.

[GrayFoxxxx]

oh fire



guys my vote was serious why does no-one want to engage me on that?????

Actually your vote on him made me check his iso, and I don't really disagree with your stance.

[GrayFoxxxx]

OK, I can see

Parabola's

train of thought in 24

But here's my question:

How was

Mak

over-responding? All he did was inquire about how your vote was better placed on him. 14

Brunneis heres my train of thought

- rvs is a time where we pressure each other trying to get out of rvs. If i am wrong about this please let me know for future games
- ranger opened with light pressure on makara
- in my opinion makara overresponded to this pressure. Could have asked to explain the vote or something else (like he did with my vote) but he responded with a serious vote that has yet to be justified

I don't agree that mak over responded.
It felt like an almost equal response, to an odd vote.

Speaking of equal responses, I see you haven't responded to 20.

Ummm...looks like rvs, but sure.
Why me?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Well not your entrance but your whole "I am relooking at his iso" like, what iso? Theres 44 posts in the game and nobody has more than like 5.

I checked his ISO after GM voted him. I don't know what else to call it but ISO...

[GrayFoxxxx]

Looks like an attempt to grab credit for ending RVS etc

I would say props for taking us out of rvs

Here is a post of me doing the exact opposite

How was Mak over-responding? All he did was inquire about how your vote was better placed on him

When I mean overresponding, I'm talking about makara's omgus serious vote

If anything it looks more towny to me.

How was it an over reaction as opposed to a normal reaction?

You could say I'm asking how would you have reacted in his spot.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I do disagree with gm.

I don't think he was trying to take credit.

[GrayFoxxxx]

How was Mak over-responding? All he did was inquire about how your vote was better placed on him

When I mean overresponding, I'm talking about makara's omgus serious vote

I'm having a hard time taking Mak seriously in 11.... Especially that early.

Plus, you didn't state why you voted for Mak in 12 until after you were questioned about it. But before then, you say that your vote was "semi-serious" but credited to Mak in 15 that he put us out of RVS (But your vote remained).... Before half of us even posted in the thread...

I'm suspicious of the ambiguity generated from your posts.

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@GrayFoxxxx

Why not you? My vote was RVS. It's just that you didn't seem to have any reaction to my initial post, so I pried.

I just find that your posts so far have just vaguely stated whether you agreed or disagreed with someone, and I find that odd, especially since you've done nothing over your original vote that concerned Vedith - whether it was meant to be RVS or not.

Yeah I'm going on a limb with FB being town... (I know he's IC btw :roll)

@Brunneis - 41 - Why did you originally ask Ranger and Errant and then mention the Gray hasn't responded?

@GM - 37 - Lets talk more on this. When on earth do people get credit for ending RVS?

Because Ranger/Errant haven't stated their votes, and I inquired to understand why they were serious.

Also, between my first post, and the second - 20 41 - Errant actually replied to my question, whereas

Gray had posted several times between then and there without any sign of acknowledgement from my post.

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@Ranger

Yeah, I'm liking this reasoning a lot better. I'm already detecting inconsistencies with Para

As for my vote, I feel a little weird about Gray, but Para's caught my attention more.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Errantparabola

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Not entirely sure what Ranger and Ika see in GM, I'd like at least 1 of them to post soon regarding this... I've been in a game as town with GM being scum. I don't think I've seen enough to make a clear decision on their alignment. However, I feel a slight town vibe, but I'm not going to go any further than this right now.

To respond to what was directed to me-
I know it was rvs. That's why I didn't have a problem with it. I only acknowledged it because you kinda directly asked me to.

Now to the bolded part. Why are you putting so much weight on your RVS vote? You're framing the situation like it wasn't an RVS, and I should have something major to say about it. When I do ask about it, your response is "it was rvs, why not".

???

I have a small town vibe from you, but I really need to you explain your line of questioning.

[GrayFoxxxx]

You sound far too reasonable to be Town.

Lol wat

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'm with varsoon here...
Maybe I'm missing something.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Town lean on max, and I'm going to go ahead and vote.

VOTE: brunn

He's been a PoE for me since the wierd interaction we had.

His recent posts make me feel better about voting him now.

I do want to see more from varsoon.

I'm seeing triv as town. His latest posts look real.

At work just squeezing in a few reads.

[GrayFoxxxx]

The good ones are the ones no-one notices, and anyway there are plenty enough newer players in this game that the feasibility goes way up.

Yea except lately players announce what they are doing right away. Or before they even start the reaction test. It's kind of pointless in that aspect.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Hey guys, I'm here.
Started a new roofing job this week, and I've been tired asf.
Catching up soon

[GrayFoxxxx]

My daughter decided to me born a month early tonight. :')
Gotta vla for 4 days.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Prodge

[GrayFoxxxx]

Nothing has changed this:
VOTE: Errantparabola.

I haven't caught all the way up yet, so could you explain this to me?

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'm not too familiar with Game set up/theory/whatever you call it, I'll probably just sheep the majority on that.

P.Sure ranger is town. I agree with his VCA.

[GrayFoxxxx]

@ika

Why don't you think we should mass claim?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Looking a triv wagon I think brunn and/or max are scum.VOTE: max

Brunn is claiming VT. I need to go back and see who voted for him. Why didn't scum run his wagon up, like they did trivs?

I'm ok with voting either, but wanna vote max for pressure.

[GrayFoxxxx]

UNVOTE:
I still think you could be scum, but i would like your current read on brunn.


VOTE: Brunn

Going back to original vote

[GrayFoxxxx]

sorry when im mobile i cant switch as easy due to passwords

anyways im not inherntly opposed to it right now. the only thing is that it basicly makes a roadmap of kills

I mean I get it would give scum obv targets, but would it outweigh the benefits?

[GrayFoxxxx]

@brunn
I really don't know about the mass claim thing, hence me asking ika.

What do you mean conceal a lynch? Sorry for my ignorance, but I've never heard that before.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Also, the max vote was to get him to post so I could better read him. I had a townlean on him D1, but relooking I'm changing my mind.
He is null right now, his latest post looks sort of townish.
Brunn, I'm voting you now because of the way D1 played out. Tie that in with the odd interactions you and I had D1.

Why don't you think scum pushed your lynch through?

[GrayFoxxxx]

VT. Keeping vote where it is.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Half prodge half game state update.

Nothings really changed, Ranger made an interesting post, I'll have to find it and explain when I have time.

BTW it's clear pers is being cute with his vote, however I don't see the town mindset in making that move. Meh.

Pedit: it's kind of pointless to discuss the ramifications of mass claiming at this point.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Ok ranger,
I really don't like your posts but I like your brunn read.

600 , 610 and 612 really bother me. I feel like it could be scum bussing. I'm not sold on that part though.

D2 is basically your reads, and promises of explanations. Or to say you are too lazy(scum would never say that right??) to explain them. Why so secretive about the reads you have?

Lastly, it sort of looks like a scum slip when you said I wasn't scum or town. Why are you so sure about that?

The last part is potentially damning imo, pending your response.

I don't think brunn and ranger are buddies. Ranger and Errant possibly. I don't have a read on Errant right now I need to go back and iso him soon.

Rangers early obsession with him could be telling. Particularly if it was fake or not.

[GrayFoxxxx]

so many people need to die this game.

I (pieguyn) am fully caught up but I'm still half-delirious from power reading the game. first order of business: I find Brunneis to be incredibly, incredibly town and the only thing that would make me question it is ika disagreeing on it (we should have this sorted out when he gets off work or tomorrow if I'm asleep by then). my next two town reads are on Errant and makara/Persivul, but these are such weak reads I don't put any faith whatsoever in them at this juncture. that, plus not having had a chance to sync with ika yet, means I'm thinking the best approach for this situation is to play a round of question danmaku.

Errant, I like and agree with your recent point on Ranger, but I'm weirded out by the fact you haven't done anything outside of that this game day (and the fact you've been on V/LA hasn't had anything to do with this - my point here is when you *have* been here you still haven't given much in terms of outside reads). when you come back I'd like your reads on everyone in the room. just a tl;dr version is fine, we can work from there.

Persivul, I don't like your recent posts based around pushing Brunneis over having 3/4 town in their scum reads. what makes it coming from scum as opposed to misguided town? that said, I'm giving you a bit of leeway bc I'm assuming you haven't read everything yet, so I'd like if you could read the game, ISO Brunneis, etc. and give me updated reads based on actual play.

Maxwell, I think some of your recent posts have looked kinda town, but I strongly dislike your D1 play, namely the way you were perpetuating the Trivium/Brunneis shitfight that was going on. did you not have any other major scum reads? if I missed one, link please.

duppin, where the fuck are you?

Gray, you've done basically nothing but pdodge this entire fucking game, and I sure as hell don't remember you doing this in EOSD. why (538) do you think scum would necessarily have pushed a Brunneis lynch through if they were town when leaving them alive and lynching them later is a perfectly viable course of action (hell, you saw me/bork chain 3 mislynches in EOSD), and why do you not think this is what's happening on this game day? do you have any reads elsewhere? again, tl;dr version is fine, we can work from there.

Ranger, there is a lot I dislike about your posts, but the blaringly obvious thing is that you were pushing Errant was scum due to the L-1 wagon on her when _it was an RVS wagon_. someone being at L-1 means jack shit in RVS when random flashwagons can happen just for the sake of it, and objectively speaking, this should be common sense. you also pushed this, while mostly flat-out ignoring most of what happened elsewhere in the game. I also pretty strongly disagree with your recent read on Brunneis (which came after a sizable wagon on Brunneis had developed and I'm pretty sure you refused to elaborate on it when asked?) so I'd like if you could walk me through (or point if I missed it) what you're seeing there in more detail. I have more and this will come when I'm not half lucid, but I'm starting here.

if it's not obvious, lack of a vig claim means Varsoon is confirmed town, and thus if there's a vig trying to remain hidden for <insert shit reason here> they need to claim right the fuck now or be policy lynched.

At that point I wanted brunn to explain why he wasn't mislynched as town, when he was so close. I had the mindset (sort of still do) that scum could be partially bussing him for towncred incase of flip, without pushing the lynch all the way.

Weak read yea I know but as slow as the game was at that point it was my best guess. I'm a little less confident in it now because of brunn interactions with ranger. But ranger could be pulling some sort of blitz move and pushing both of his buddies.

Keeping vote on Brunn for now.
F.o.S on ranger.

[GrayFoxxxx]

@brunn

Reread the specific post regarding Ranger.

Why wouldn't I keep my vote on you? I think you're scum. I'm not as confident in you being scum recently , because your last few posts look a little better. But you have alot of pressure on you, so it's kind of forced content.

Ide like to hear back from ranger, as he is the only other person I would be comfortable voting right now.

[GrayFoxxxx]

@brunn
Once again, I suggest you reread the topic at hand. Most of your post directed at me ( really all 4 ppints) are misreps. From my reasoning, to my scum picks,

@ranger

That makes no sense, but I'm not going to try and force any explanation out of you. I was expecting an answer like that anyway.

I repeat,

Lynch brunn or Ranger, and that's ok with me.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Also brunn, I'm failing to comprehend what you mean about ranger and him having a scum buddy....

What did thay mean, and how did it have anything to do with what you were responding to?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Posting on phone typos everywhere

[GrayFoxxxx]

Duppin, expand on your scum read. Because all I see is your read of me being based on Brunn alone.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Also brunns latest posts cancel the town vibe he was starting to give off.

[GrayFoxxxx]

At least Ika is trying to make a case. I'll answer him in my next post.

Brunn says I'm scum, because I'm pushing his wagon.

Pers just votes.

I'm still waiting on a response from duppin/ranger.

[GrayFoxxxx]

@brunn

Reread the specific post regarding Ranger.

Why wouldn't I keep my vote on you? I think you're scum. I'm not as confident in you being scum recently , because your last few posts look a little better. But you have alot of pressure on you, so it's kind of forced content.

Ide like to hear back from ranger, as he is the only other person I would be comfortable voting right now.

this post singlehandedly sums up why I hate grayfoxx's play this game day.

"you've been town posting, but you have a wagon on you so I don't care!"

I'll go with this. He doesn't call me scummy, just says my play is bad.

I'm sticking to my guns on my Brunn read. Was I wrong by saying he was starting to look town?

"You've been town posting, but you have a wagon so idc" leaves out the fact his other posts are scummy.

After his sudden influx of AtE. I'm more confident than ever that he's scum. Not 100 percent, but it's my best guess.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'll go with this. He doesn't call me scummy, just says my play is bad.

is this directed to me?

#yep

[GrayFoxxxx]

"You've been town posting, but you have a wagon so idc" leaves out the fact his other posts are scummy.

After his sudden influx of AtE. I'm more confident than ever that he's scum. Not 100 percent, but it's my best guess.

#nope

#cute

[GrayFoxxxx]

At least Ika is trying to make a case. I'll answer him in my next post.

Brunn says I'm scum, because I'm pushing his wagon.

Pers just votes.

Ika has said nothing against you that I haven't said.

And omg, I almost choked on my tea; I never thought it was possible to have a scummier retort than Ranger, but you surpassed that in just one damn sentence that was a complete misrep and not even a good one.

Do you really expect your scumbuddies do back you up on this? I mean, Pers voted; you at least acknowledged that with no back up to it whatsoever - pretty decent reflection to your posting this game.

You misrep and say that I'm scumreading you because you're pushing my wagon? What the hell?

1)

Duppin made it clear the if I was town, 765 787 797 812 that you'd most likely be scum. He even prompted me to organize my scumreads in accordance to who I already thought was scum.

You saying that I'm scum solely because of something duppin said - while completely ignoring my own formulated reasons and responses against you already makes me think that you're truly scum trying to find weak retorts to seem like you can actually dismiss me. But no, you blatantly misrepped me because I find you scummy for so many reasons:

A)

42 - Why me = Fry me

B)

201 - You parked your vote on me for basically the rest of D1 out of the idea of our "weird interaction" with each other. You ignored the main confrontation I had with GM and Trivium (with Klingon), and you basically did nothing to engage with me on this, even when your votewas placed when it started becoming popular.

C)

517 - "I'm going to townread someone that's benefitting me by wanting to lynch who I want to!" - And it's based off of a VCA that showed 3 VCs, not the 10+ we had in D1.

D)

524 - Regressing on a previous days vote without further interaction is a good scumtactic in mislynching town. Especially ones that aren't explained, which aren't good votes to begin with.

E)

525 - Yup. Lynching me would totally help your scumteam either win the game tonight, or get someone else to be mislynched tomorrow.

These aren't even the main reasons. And each would have been worth a vote on you. If there were 4 other Brunneis' in this game, you'd have ben put at L-1 at this point.

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx -

Just a visual reminder of what this looks like because you haven't seen it enough this game.

789 - Dichotomies! Yay! Don't you know that's what got Trivium lynched yesterday? And me being tunneled by your scumteam today?

I already stated how bad of a post 768 is, if you can't even try to look back and see my original argument that I repeated twice now; then that tells me you're scum, either out of apathy of responding, wanting to misrep me, or just thinking you're immune because I've been the top lynch most of this game - or all of the above.

All of which strike me as scum alone, and with another vote that is deserving - You've been lynched. Why this hasn't happened sooner makes me think you've hidden a lot in this game, because you literally don't have a D1 play - and you're now posting because of my pushes on you, because you now see that your wagon is now moving, and your just throwing vague responses to avoid the actual argument.

If you thought I didn't have a case before - here's it now!

But seriously - this isn't even counting the associations I can pull through realizing your scum by the possibility and Ranger could be an SK. Please read 832, in case you haven't seen it enough or you magically think it's not a reason to vote you as scum because I'm

"OBVIOUSLY voting for you because you've tunneled me practically this whole game so far! LOL RIGHT?"

It's a good color of red which symbolizes the scum that emits from you over the insinuation and misrep on my reasons for pushing you.

Now for 2)

@brunn

Reread the specific post regarding Ranger.

Why wouldn't I keep my vote on you? I think you're scum. I'm not as confident in you being scum recently , because your last few posts look a little better. But you have alot of pressure on you, so it's kind of forced content.

Ide like to hear back from ranger, as he is the only other person I would be comfortable voting right now.

this post singlehandedly sums up why I hate grayfoxx's play this game day.

"you've been town posting, but you have a wagon on you so I don't care!"

I'll go with this. He doesn't call me scummy, just says my play is bad.

I'm sticking to my guns on my Brunn read. Was I wrong by saying he was starting to look town?

"You've been town posting, but you have a wagon so idc" leaves out the fact his other posts are scummy.

After his sudden influx of AtE. I'm more confident than ever that he's scum. Not 100 percent, but it's my best guess.

A)

When have I called your play JUST bad? I mean, I've said it's bad. But you're not reading my posts if you think I don't think you're scum. Plus, what's with the word picking here? That's just detracting from the actual point.

B)

What about my "other posts" are scummy - Gray? You somehow randomly started to townread me, and now that I'm voting you - I'm obviously the best lynch candidate? This is very similar to Ranger's reaction... smh. This doesn't look town-motivated.

C)

Influx of AtE? You mean the genuine frustration I've displayed listening to people speak in code, ignore, scumread me, and advertise my lynch today for no blatant reason other than WIFOM?

This post is just.... eckugh.....

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P-Edit

Ranger's vote puts you Gray at L-1 - anything you'd want to say?

I don't see how comparing me to trivium really helps your case.

What associations are you talking about?

Phone about to die posting when on charger

Any intent to hammer posts?

I think you are scum. I did D1, I still do. Sure I've parked my vote on you.

D1 you failed to actually respond to my read on you. I wish town would have lynched you while I was VLA.

You are failing to comprehend my point in the Ranger post. I'm not misrepping anything. (768)

I was talking about ika calling my play bad. Not you.

The above just reads as you voting me because I think you're scum.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'm not sure brunn and Ranger are scum together.

Brunn, I usually park my vote on who I think is scum. I don't know the percentage, but I'm right quite often with atleast one of my D1 scum picks. I have a track record of being mislynched D1 because of this reason. I'm starting to think I should keep my actual scum picks to myself.

This situation is familiar to me. In DM2, I knew in my heart of hearts TSO was scum. He somehow orchestrated a beautiful mislynch on me, while manipulating the town into doing pretty much what he wanted. Not saying that you are doing the same thing, just giving an example of why I vote the way I do.

Brunn, are you willing to compromise on a ranger lynch? The only difference in our reads is you think he's SK. If this is TvT I think a ranger lynch would help us see that.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Brunn, I usually park my vote on who I think is scum. I don't know the percentage, but I'm right quite often with atleast one of my D1 scum picks. I have a track record of being mislynched D1 because of this reason. I'm starting to think I should keep my actual scum picks to myself.

Who did you think was scum in D1 other than me? I'm ISOing you and I do not see who else you actually paid attention to with any sort of suspicion or vote.

This situation is familiar to me. In DM2, I knew in my heart of hearts TSO was scum. He somehow orchestrated a beautiful mislynch on me, while manipulating the town into doing pretty much what he wanted. Not saying that you are doing the same thing, just giving an example of why I vote the way I do.

Could you link this game?

Brunn, are you willing to compromise on a ranger lynch? The only difference in our reads is you think he's SK. If this is TvT I think a ranger lynch would help us see that.

I don't know. You've yet to be consistent with your Ranger read.

You townread him a bit in D1, you just now began questioning him these last few pages after my push

But then you want both of us lynched but you remain on the same person you have through the majority of this game.

What changed you from wanting to lynch me, to finally going on Ranger?

In that case, why haven't you changed your vote?

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OK, there's something wrong with this picture.

748 Duppin prompts me to look at my own scumreads and to pursue Gray - but he's yet to do that himself. 788 (However, I'm not ruling out that he wouldn't do that but still....)

I go after Gray since nobody else would - and now I'm being proposed to agree to vote to lynch Ranger who I don't even think is part of the scum team.

Combined with these inconsistencies themselves - and the fact that I've already pursued Ranger...

Just like, what is this?

The activity drop doesn't look good either.

This is the reason why I have an issue with everybody in this game that isn't in the conf-town circle.

duppin

Ranger

GrayFoxxxx

MaxwellPuckett

Persivul

ErrantParabola

The thing that gets me is, numerically - at least 1 of you must be town as well

(These reads can change in a bit, Kling has been a bit busy and isn't entirely caught up to my belief. However, this represents my thoughts at the moment.)

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Ika Musume
Varsoon

The Fire Hermit

I need to talk to you people.

Ika

, what do you think about Ranger?

Varsoon

, how do you feel about a Gray lynch?

Hermit

, why haven't you replied to my 847 - and it contains elements I want you to respond to this entire game.

NY 188.

I've been consistent on my ranger read since he scum slipped.

As a sign of good faith I'll make the first move.

VOTE: ranger

I still don't quite understand your read colors