Open 615 - Hope Plus One [Game Over: Town wins]

[Benevolent Dictator]

VOTE: The Man
The only Big Boss around here is me.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I searched for foreign land. For years and years I roamed.

All townies will henceforth surrender their votes to the dictator.

[Benevolent Dictator]

VOTE: Dictator

TMWSTW, how come you like your vote and then you change it?

EP, how come you call someone out for something potentially alignment indicative then vote someone else?

[Benevolent Dictator]

I think I'll take the initiative and change our vote without consulting my partner.

VOTE: EP

[Benevolent Dictator]

Don't play coy EP. You call out one guy and vote another; that doesn't jibe well with me at all. Your words don't match your actions, almost like you're putting on a false face.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I dont see anything alignment indicative about it.

You don't see anything alignment indicative about liking a vote and then changing it? Because that implies TheMan was lying, either with his words or his actions. You don't think lying is alignment indicative?

You seem awfully eager to let him off the hook here. I know a townie would have pushed that lead until he struck gold. Could it be because you are paired with him and are unwilling to push an early bus too far?

[Benevolent Dictator]

I would not be surprised if we just caught all 3 scum right now, the reactions are so bad.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I dont see anything alignment indicative about it.

You don't see anything alignment indicative about liking a vote and then changing it? Because that implies TheMan was lying, either with his words or his actions. You don't think lying is alignment indicative?

You seem awfully eager to let him off the hook here. I know a townie would have pushed that lead until he struck gold. Could it be because you are paired with him and are unwilling to push an early bus too far?

eer, so she is defending a partner on rvs? you are like, waaay reaching dude, wouldnt mafia also push "leads" until they "strike gold"? there is nothing townie about what you are doing right now, pushing on someone this hard and giving discredit at anyone that disagrees

This is absolute crap and I don't see any reason at all that town would be inclined to make a post such as this.

Creative/EP/Bowie scumteam called right now bye.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I'm not yet convinced any of the three suspects are scum.

They are pretty much confirmed now. We could just turbolynch all three and end the game right here right now.

[Benevolent Dictator]

14 itself is not particularly alignment indicative, but the response from EP may indeed be indicative of Bowie's alignment.

The tell itself reflects much weaker on Bowie and Creative than it does on EP himself but it is definitely a better place to start than I usually get.

-AreSee

[Benevolent Dictator]

You are acomodating the facts to your reads, the bias is so strong you say you caught the whole team day 1 out of rvs interactions, its very deflective the way you discredit my point without adressing it, so again, wouldnt mafia also push something untill they get what they want? and how should we differentiate that from your play, if you are town.

This really doesn't merit a response.

-AreSee

[Benevolent Dictator]

Now that makes me much more likely to consider that Nirvana song scum.

-AreSee

[Benevolent Dictator]

You are acomodating the facts to your reads, the bias is so strong you say you caught the whole team day 1 out of rvs interactions, its very deflective the way you discredit my point without adressing it, so again, wouldnt mafia also push something untill they get what they want? and how should we differentiate that from your play, if you are town.

This really doesn't merit a response.

-AreSee

VOTE: Dictator

When I jump on EP, Bowie and Creative are all too eager to try to discredit me. When I show how silly Creative is being, Bowie naked votes me.

There is no possible world in which they aren't scum together.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Did you really just call Smudger one of the stronger players in this game?

[Benevolent Dictator]

Because Kim is either considerably smarter or considerably less scum and driven to chainsaw her partners.

Either way, Kim's right you're wrong now zip.

[Benevolent Dictator]

and yes, that was RC.

[Benevolent Dictator]

How can everyone need days of catch up when there's only four pages to read?

[Benevolent Dictator]

These aren't "teen-tiny" inconsistencies whatsoever. Pushing on someone else and voting me shows a massive disconnect between their reads and their votes, which is a strong indicator that someone is scum.

The guy's not confirmed scum for it but it's definitely a strong scumread and his reactions have only made that stronger.

[Benevolent Dictator]

RC, are you seriously telling me to be quiet?

When it comes to my alignment, yes absolutely.

I'm assuming your opinions on everything else are better, otherwise you should just mute yourself in general.

Skybird manifestated a scum read on yourself, so he is what? the 4th mafia? i can´t even evaluate your intentions or though process, because you don´t even feel the need to share them with everyone, dodge questions, bash everyone.

Skybird could easily be scum, yes. I don't know who the scum are but I'm fairly certain nearly all of them are voting or throwing dirt at me right now to push me off their partners.

Coop or burn!

This is why you're scum, by the way.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Like, cooperate with what? your shitty scum agenda?

News flash: I'm town. With the players in this game, I'm pretty sure I am the only town agenda worth following.

"coop or burn" is a horribly inappropriate response to someone that you think is scum, regardless of the circumstances.

In fact, this just became the best vote.

VOTE: Creative

[Benevolent Dictator]

Also, you're mixing up me and Accountant's reads.

(the last 3 posts are all RC)

[Benevolent Dictator]

I endorse my partner's reads and vote.

Will be V/LA starting this Sunday, so expect more RC posts and less Accountant posts.

- Accountant

[Benevolent Dictator]

How are you the only town agenda worth following?

Good question. It's because we found scum on page 5 while everyone else is flailing in the dark.

So Fire... How did you like our last game together? Do you feel like you bit into it hard enough Day 1? Should I cast the line again and see if I can get another to bite?

If you're going to prodge you might as well just say "prodge".

[Benevolent Dictator]

This inactivity is nuts.

Fire, why Kop?

Seems to be a play style thing and nonindicative of alignment.

But does his desire to call me out in that way when that should be obvious have any alignment indicativeness?

[Benevolent Dictator]

Bit of an ego boosting post this. How are you the only town agenda worth following?

Ok sweetheart. Which other town has an agenda currently worth following?

I mean, every single other player besides the other hydra has half or less of my posts and even of those posts I daresay mine are hugely more alignment indicative.

If I'm ego boosting that means I'm being honest fmpov so that should mean that I'm town. Is this correct?

Skybird, you pointed Kop out. Why? And you're remembering me from 1661, correct? Where PK insisted on pressing all my buttons to get me to scumread him then bitched that I scumread him?

There's a reason I don't like playing with PK.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I could definitely see Kop scum but I'd really appreciate it if you help me push Creative for now, because I want to sort that pronto.

[Benevolent Dictator]

To clarify, minus #137, this is all RC.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I mean, every single other player besides the other hydra has half or less of my posts and even of those posts I daresay mine are hugely more alignment indicative.

should read

I mean, every single other player besides the other hydra has half or less of my posts and even of those posts I daresay mine address hugely more alignment indicative content.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Well, I'm significantly more understanding of the Kop stances.

I don't want to change my vote at this time but I can see why you scumread him.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Dictator

Spoiler:

RC, are you seriously telling me to be quiet?

When it comes to my alignment, yes absolutely.

I'm assuming your opinions on everything else are better, otherwise you should just mute yourself in general.

Skybird manifestated a scum read on yourself, so he is what? the 4th mafia? i can´t even evaluate your intentions or though process, because you don´t even feel the need to share them with everyone, dodge questions, bash everyone.

Skybird could easily be scum, yes. I don't know who the scum are but I'm fairly certain nearly all of them are voting or throwing dirt at me right now to push me off their partners.

Coop or burn!

This is why you're scum, by the way.

Dude, , you are making associative reads in 5 pages of day 1 based on something that happened during RVS/RQS stage, i can´t say for the other people's alignment that are disagreeing with you, but i'm town and at least for me there is no way i would let this cancer go by and watch.

Here is your main assumption:

You don't see anything alignment indicative about liking a vote and then changing it? Because that implies TheMan was lying, either with his words or his actions. You don't think lying is alignment indicative?

Wich is just a stretch, you are stating as a fact that he lied, but that's just a logic jump because a lot of stuff could have happened, i.e. he likes other votes as well or he simply changed his mind during posts

I don´t have enough time to scoop other games from you atm, and i'm not positive of what alignment your coming from, but i rather put you under pressure untill you give me something that i can work with it then leave it be. That's how i am.

Sinsun1

Spoiler:

will be posting in like 12h friends!

You had time to post this. So no excuse. I am happy with the voices in my head. They are right on this one.

@Fire, I guess not since you got lynched D1 after a failed push of you and Lale on me... XD

I take a lot of time making my posts, not very found of writing fluff to prodge, doesn´t mean i'm not reading though, so i often share my "deadlines" with everyone.

Kop

Spoiler:

Bit of an ego boosting post this. How are you the only town agenda worth following?

Ok sweetheart. Which other town has an agenda currently worth following?

I mean, every single other player besides the other hydra has half or less of my posts and even of those posts I daresay mine are hugely more alignment indicative.

If I'm ego boosting that means I'm being honest fmpov so that should mean that I'm town. Is this correct?

Skybird, you pointed Kop out. Why? And you're remembering me from 1661, correct? Where PK insisted on pressing all my buttons to get me to scumread him then bitched that I scumread him?

There's a reason I don't like playing with PK.

I haven't seen any agenda worth following to be honest. I think the Creative link is the best course of action, right as of now.

I read through her reads, nothing in those that really holds any substance. I don't know whether that's down to everybody playing there cards close to there chest, or Creative just gave those reads, to appease the audience.

1)"His" not "hers"

2)Wich reads are you refering to buddy? Besides me questioning other players, i haven´t taken a single stance on anyone's alignment yet.

3) Wich of the colliding trains i am trying to appease?

If you can't say about the others, why are you trying to divert my push on them? Why the fuck bother defending someone who you don't townread when they're not even close to getting lynched?

Like, absolutely it's RVS and my push is exaggerated to gather reactions. Where do you get off jumping in and crying that my shit hasn't gotten a guaranteed scum pegged.

This was 2 pages in the game, this isn't me hammering a lynch on LyLo. There's absolutely no reason for your behaviour to be caused by what you claim it is.

he simply changed his mind during posts

Why are you driven to defend him if the only counter argument you can offer is a complete and utter stretch?

Like, the reason you pressure people, news flash, is to FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ARE THINKING WHEN THEY DO THINGS.

By trying to push against my wagon, you're best case scenario saying that you don't give a shit about TheMan's alignment and worst case scenario trying to defend a scumbuddy.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Yes, I used you're incorrectly.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I'm getting real sick of half the posts in this game being excuses for why people aren't posting.

I'm real sick of you fanboying with your username over a song that's not even one of Nirvana's better songs.

this was me btw.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Alright, I had a chat with Accountant and we're gonna

VOTE: Skybird

VOTE: TheManWhoSoldTheWorld for having such a long name and of course for OMGUS!

I found it really weird that Skybird says OMGUS with an here. Usually you OMGUS because you're irritated or scumread someone, it's not exactly a happy emotion.

Hi again everyone. I'm sorry I was a bit MIA since the first page, I was out of town and supposed to be back yesterday.

I didn't think I had played with very many people in this game, but looking at the hydra's I see a few familiar names.

UNVOTE: I want to take a closer look at the last couple of pages.

I find taking the time to unvote in general incredibly scummy. The main reason to worry about your vote being down as town is because you're afraid it's leading to a lynch on someone you don't want it to. This is the middle of RVS and I find it extremely bizarre that such a thing would be done in general, leading me to suspect that Skybird is scum who doesn't want to be responsible for pushing a wagon quite yet.

Sinsun, why do you want to drive TheMan insane?

This is just a weird thing to say in general. But the big thing is her questions.

Kim, do you have experience with mafia off-site or IRL?

Note that Kim was defending me here.

P-edit - thanks Kim. Does anyone stand out to you so far?

Absolutely no follow up on that question at all, besides to ask another generic question, which at least with regards to me the answer should be known.

Why do you see Dictator as town? I'm leaning the other way on them.

Then we here hit the nail on the end. Literally the only purpose of this entire line of inquiry was to try to peel off Kim's townread on me.

So why did Skybird unvote me? Why did she approach it in such a roundabout way if that's clearly all she was interested in.

What's the point of the first question, anyway?

Also,

RC, are you seriously telling me to be quiet?

Yes RC, I do remember you from that game. I don't remember you being quite this annoying though.

There's absolutely no force behind this.

Like, "be quiet", really? Not "shut up"? Not some variant of "fuck off"? That's absolutely bizarre and I'd expect if she had as much of an issue with my play as she's claiming to that she'd react a lot more viscerally.

Then the rest of her questions are absolutely not followed up on.

Fire, what do you think of Kop?

Says nothing further about it. Note Kop is looking like a leading wagon here.

Kop, what are your thoughts on Dictator?

Then she asks the person she was ostensibly scumreading what the read on me is?

That's an absolutely bizarre change in the direction of questioning, plus all this "what's your read on X" without pushing anything doesn't come across as coming from town at all.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Why are you so mad over it?

Why are you so emotionally affected by my read on Skybird? She your scumbuddy?

that's me.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I mean I literally just made a joke about Nirvana and I note that others have made jokes without me calling them out for it unless there's something scummy inherent.

I find your reaction bizarrely over the top.

Also, no I did not find everyone in RVS scummy. Off the top of my head, I liked EP, Kim, and the Firebringer hydra from very early on.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Why are you telling me it was a joke?

Is Skybird your tiny female puppet who dances on your strings?

It may have been a joke but it being a joke doesn't preclude it from containing alignment indicative comment; maybe it was a joke.

But she did give it two reasons which makes it look sorta not jokey and on top of that she's scummy in general so that makes me look harder on things that I would otherwise overlook.

Why are you so caught up on this?

[Benevolent Dictator]

In fact we're going to return to this.

VOTE: TheMan

[Benevolent Dictator]

I'm getting real sick of half the posts in this game being excuses for why people aren't posting.

I'm real sick of you fanboying with your username over a song that's not even one of Nirvana's better songs.

Wow, such joke wow.

[Benevolent Dictator]

TheMan you're blatantly whiteknighting Skybird right now. If you agreed with our last two points that would indicate that you at least think there is some reason to suspect them - and any townie in your position would be interested in looking at Skybird's reaction instead of defending someone you've just said had some scummy and inconsistent points. Unless you don't actually agree with those points, and you're just saying that to buddy with us.

- Accountant

[Benevolent Dictator]

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested.

~Dav

Oh look, my leading townread made a joke.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Accountant just called you a disingenuous scumlord, btw.

[Benevolent Dictator]

If you find them suspicious why do you care so much about us pressuring them based on their joke?

Why are you getting so defensive over someone you claim to scumread getting pressured on their scummy actions?

[Benevolent Dictator]

It strikes me as significantly more likely that you're concerned that this will be linked back to you than that this is some sort of elitism over points.

[Benevolent Dictator]

#180, #181, #185, and this are by RC btw. Others are accountant.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I didn't say it did link back to you.

I say you seem concerned that it does somehow link back to you, with 187 only amplifies.

~Radiance

k I'm literally the worst at this.

Imagine if this was supposed to be a secret hydra.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Hello TheManWhoSoldTheWorld, thanks for reaching out to us!

Have you taken a look around Open 615 lately? There are TONS of posts about this particular subject. As a courtesy to the rest of our community we try not to split conversations up into multiple posts, so I won't be able to give in-depth answers to these questions here.

Take a look in Open 615 and contribute your voice to the existing posts!

-The Beard

[Benevolent Dictator]

No but really.

What's been the progression of your Kop read? Do you not see anything off about the suddenness of the support for that wagon?

[Benevolent Dictator]

And yes, this is GradientSowbells.

[Benevolent Dictator]

My aforementioned notes on the Dictator/TMWSTW discussion: Instinctively, I like TMWSTW more after that last exchange. He had to know that he'd draw significant attention from Dictator for starting all this in 166. I strongly agree with his 184 as a general rule in life. (I'm less sure if that's the case in Mafia, though -- maybe it's better to at least let the accused say something first?)

This isn't really the case.

The reaction as you saw was less a logical reaction than an emotional reaction, and emotional reactions are frequently made when they are not an optimal decision.

And, after all, if scum always made perfect logical decisions with what to say there would be no purpose in playing the game of mafia besides to roll random dice.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Why ask for thoughts when you're stating an obvious truth?

[Benevolent Dictator]

You obviously don't understand jokes. The joke here is I'm voting for the guy that is voting for me. Since most people would say that is an OMGUS vote, I am saying it before they do. The smilie is there because I am joking.

The fact that you added a smiley doesn't make it any less of an OMGUS.

When I posted that I felt the game was out of RVS. I disagree therefore that it was the middle of RVS. Why in hell would I want to leave my vote on someone when it was a silly RVS vote?

You want to take your vote off because you're a scum who doesn't want to get locked into a stance. You want to see which mislynches can gain steam and support those mislynches.

Just because you don't see where I am going doesn't mean I don't have a purpose. I really wanted to see what his thought process was.

bullshit

I was taken aback that someone would be rude enough to tell another player to be quiet.

It's not really being rude, it's just that his yammering was clogging up the game with horrible anti-town sentiments and we wanted him to stop so we can focus on catching scum.

You are reading way too much into stuff.

So you don't want us to read into stuff?

ie. you don't want us to examine you too closely?

Did you ever think that you just aren't worth reacting to? The biggest thing I remember about you is you are annoying. I ended up ignoring you in that game, and I am going to be ignoring you in this game as well. If that bugs you, then lynch me.

> I'm going to ignore Benevolent Dictator
> makes a huge text wall about Benevolent Dictator

Just because I don't play mafia the same way that you do does not make me scum

That doesn't make you scum. Your scummy actions make you scum.

[Benevolent Dictator]

^ by accountant

[Benevolent Dictator]

So.

1) Skybird's reaction was also awful and I am led to believe that The Man's inappropriate response to my push on Skybird was an indirect defense of his scumbuddy.
2) I think there's a fairly good chance that BBMolla is scum as well for trying to isolate and discredit my slot, particularly considering in our last game I called out BaldEagle DAYS before when everyone else thought he was scum.
3) This entire Kop wagon strikes me as incredibly opportunistic and I don't like a lot of the votes on it, Bbmolla's especially.

[Benevolent Dictator]

^ RC

[Benevolent Dictator]

Like, the fact of the matter is this.

Claiming an issue with my playstyle is credible, claiming that my scumhunting ability is not to par is not.

I would not be surprised to see Bbmolla say that he had an issue with the way I play, but I find it nearly impossible to reconcile that viewpoint with his experience with my play, and I feel it's more likely an attempt to discredit my current push.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Like, it's possible he's just being super salty but there's a definite direction to his current play that I don't trust.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I feel like that 'direction' comments merits an explanation.

I feel like his entrance in the game is extremely top down; there's an objective he wants to complete and everything he does is directed towards that end. His entrance is extremely rigorous and guided in a way that I wouldn't expect town to actually be, and I'm not used to seeing from Bbmolla; he claims to have solved the game and is acting like it, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that it is sincere and think this whole shtick is just an act. I'd expect that if he was just macking on me for being salty it would be a lot more salt and a lot less robotic.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Still all RC. I'd be happily voting either Skybird or TheMan at this point, but I'll give bbmolla more time to show if he's town.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Tell you what, there's a few posts from TheMan that I've liked this game.

VOTE: Skybird

Let's handle this one first.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Both yourself and Bowie have expressed agreement in my case on Skybird.

Why have neither of you voted with me?

[Benevolent Dictator]

Fire, why Kop?

He is a pretty nullish and not providing any content, also everyone of his posts are just ugh to read.

Unfortunately he is like this almost every game. So I really can't tell if he is scum for it. >.>

If you know he's null why vote him? This seems like a really lame excuse.

[Benevolent Dictator]

^accountant

[Benevolent Dictator]

@BBMolla: Why is Kop scum?

I don't know how to get into this. Someone ask me some questions, so I can evolve from there.

Calculated play

beep boop robot

You're talking about calculated play and you haven't voted Skybird yet?

[Benevolent Dictator]

OMG Skybird is so scum wtf.

lynch it with fire.

[Benevolent Dictator]

they speak to me you see

i was in my mothers womb when i first heard her voice and she said her name was sammy. it was many years before i began to understand what i was hearing but sure as the sun rises and sets in the morning i began to realize that in my head there were two voices, mine and hers. she said that she was a little kid just like me but somehow because of the way she talked and used words that i didnt always understand i wasnt sure if i believed her. at any rate, my brain, my head, the one place that many take for granted as a sanctuary was not my own, but one i shared with my forever friend sammy

i bawled my eyes out the morning after, the policeman and my uncle comforting me as i stared at the wreckage of my house. there had been a horrible fire, an electrical short they said, in the middle of the night that left my mother father and my big sister jessica dead. i was hardly able to believe what the policeman told me as the leather coat was draped over my shoulders, that my family was gone forever and i would have to go on living without them. by a bizarre twist of fate, after i had had a horrible dream involving matches and newspapers and sleptwalk myself out of the house before the flame caught and was not inside the house when every living beings soul went up in smoke inside, sent from here to the world beyond. my uncle and my aunt jenny were to look after me and bring me and sammy to adulthood

~

[Benevolent Dictator]

Skybird is scum. We should lynch him.

[Benevolent Dictator]

^ accountant

[Benevolent Dictator]

He never called you scum by the way.

But basically I'm pretty sure Accountant will be with me on this that we're not changing our vote period from this point.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I'm voting scum yo.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Just promise when we get to tomorrow and me and Accountant get NKed that you'll stop being morons and lynch the obvious scum.

Like, the extent to which Skybird is obvious scum is absolutely mind blowing. She's basically claimed scum in a ton of different posts.

How she is alive, I'm completely unable to fathom.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Man, I thought you were scumreading Skybird. Why are you indirectly making it that much harder for me to lynch her?

[Benevolent Dictator]

Hey, I have a question.

Did you ever think what would have happened if Skybird wasn't town.

Don't you think that, maybe, if you guys were lynching scum and that Skybird was town that scum would jump at the opportunity to push the Skybird counter wagon and pin it on me and Accountant?

Because that to me seems obvious. Why do you think scum aren't doing it?

[Benevolent Dictator]

Like, even if you are townreading her you should see my logic here.

If you're scumreading her even in the slightest the gamestate should push you to instantly jump on her.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Dude I don't give a shit Kop could literally scum claim and I wouldn't lynch it because I've already found scum.

Kop is clearly a scum led wagon and it's disgraceful that you don't see it considering how it originally formed.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I remember once there was a game I called someone out as scum near the beginning of D1 based off of a very powerful tell.

I was unable to get them lynched for several days despite pushing them quite consistently.

I chose to lynch that person over another person who had claimed a cop guilty on someone who was town.

I won the game for town doing that.

RadiantCowbells: has a pretty bad bedside manner but is a threat -- if they could only get someone (anyone) to listen to them

[Benevolent Dictator]

That's what was said about me in pregame.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Also, there's absolutely no way Skybird would be avoiding talking to me if she was town who thought I was town tunneling her.

That's just nonsense.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I don't need to do any of that shit, I have her as pinned mafia and I have little else to discuss, least of all with scum.

If it's going to take waiting until night for town cop to get their head out of their butt and check her then that's what it's going to take.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I have no stance on Dave's alignment. He asked me why I'm not asking Skybird questions, I answered.

If you're going to lynch me, just be sure that you lynch Skybird tomorrow.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Now THAT is a scummy response from Dave.

Yeah, I think Dave is scum as well.

Pedit: Man you really need to pull your shit together if you're town.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I'm voting Skybird because I want a lynch on the person who is singularly most likely in the game to flip town.

Not someone I'm only quite sure is town.

[Benevolent Dictator]

flip scum, sure is scum.

I'm #1 jeja.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Hey BBM, dontcha remember Luna Fox?

You should be voting Skybird, thanks.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Dictator is not who we are lynching today, move that vote somewhere useful Big Boss.

I would much rather go for:
VOTE: Skybird

Dictator is spewing a bunch of noise. Why wouldn't you want to lynch them?

How you can make a post like that without being instalynched is beyond me.

[Benevolent Dictator]

we pass upon the step
he spoke of was and when
although I wasn't there
he said I was his friend
which came as some surprise
I spoke into his eyes
I thought you died a long a long long time ago
oh no, not me, I never lost control
you're face to face with the man who sold the world.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Can we get a vote count? I am at the place where I don't give a fuck about this game anymore. Please note that Dictator has done nothing but tunnel me all day long.

That does not mean they are scum!

(Bolded so you guys don't miss it.) It means they are very, very bad town. Dictator asked why scum wasn't pushing me? Because they don't have to! Dictator is doing it for them. They are thinking that after I'm lynched, they will push for a Dictator lynch after they death-tunnel another townie. Scum know I am town.

You know, if you wanted to change my mind, you could, you know, TALK TO ME.

[Benevolent Dictator]

When Skybird flips scum and I get NKed, I urgently recommend that the cop is to check ErrantParabola.

Skybird is scared of me. Town aren't scared of scum pushing them. This is getting lynched, no deviation.

Any attempt to divert the lynch at this stage of the game will most likely result in your lynch later on down the line, so don't even bother. Townreading Skybird? I don't give a damn, you're wrong, vote her.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Town aren't scared of town pushing them either.

They're some mix of resentful, dismissive, angry, frustrated, amused, etc. not scared.

[Benevolent Dictator]

So Dictator, what do you want to talk about? I really meant it when I said I don't know what to say to you because all you do is take everything I say and call it scummy. Even though I am town and I hold the view that town shouldn't be afraid of being lynched I would like to live to tomorrow. I get better as the game goes on.

What do we want to talk about indeed?

I mean you know why I'm scumreading you. Do you have a response?

Why were you avoiding me this entire game, etc.

[Benevolent Dictator]

We're consolidating on Skybird.

End of discussion, thank you.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Like, how fucking obvious is it that with all the effort I've put in she'd have been lynched by now if she was town?

Come on. This isn't your first games people.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Mafia have had 7 days of me pushing this wagon to gradually maneuver themselves into position to realistically vote it.

No one has, no one is posturing to vote it, nothing is happening.

In fact, people are trying to outright ignore that it's happening.

Scum would be motivated to bring it up sot that they could, at the very least easily push a ML on Skybird when they NK me.

No one is.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Yes. Except for Davesaz who I'm iffy on.

[Benevolent Dictator]

I'm done arguing with you. feel free to apologize for being obstinate and bad after game.

[Benevolent Dictator]

FRB is obvious town and this is clearly a scum led counterwagon.

I'm ashamed of any town on it and they should feel the same as I do.

Vote fucking Skybird.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Regardless of the lynch, cop is to check ErrantParabola.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Counteroffer: cop is to check myself and then all 3 PRs out as PR, and then we set up some sort of protect order to maximize towns chances of winning.

Then I lead on Skybird or EP once I'm clear.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Counteroffer: I'm pushing on scum. They were pushing on town.

Shush!

[Benevolent Dictator]

List the wagons and their leaders and I'll tell you which are town and scum.

Thirdly I can't believe you're actually trying to dictate the PRs and asking for a mass claim like your some kind of town leading genius. Yes the general thought from players is that you're town, but people also seem agreed that you're obnoxious, wrong, and they'd rather not deal with you, not great for leading town.

I'm voting scum tho yo.

Don't you think that if FRB were scum that the other scummies would immediately flock to my wagon, hmm?

[Benevolent Dictator]

Why don't you switch your ass over to Skybird instead of lynching my bank townread?

[Benevolent Dictator]

I will NL rather than lynch FRB at this point, fyi.

There's a reason everyone on the FRB wagon is refusing to change. If FRB was scum, they'd switch for the towncred, mack on me for it, then push a lynch on someone else tomorrow.

Skybird wagoners hold fast. Hopefully the undecideds will go over to the right wagon.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Like, am I pooooositive that Skybird is scum?

No, not positive.

90%+, yeah for sure.

But am I positive that FRB is town? Unless Skybird is scum as well so scum don't care where the wagon goes between them, yeah.

Skybird, do you see my reasoning for FRB town?

Why, if FRB was scum, wouldn't scum be clamouring for a piece of your tasty town wagon.

You should be the last person willing to vote FRB here imo.

Like honestly Skybird if you're really town the best thing you could do would be to selfvote at this point.

But am I positive that FRB is town? Unless Skybird is scum as well so scum don't care where the wagon goes between them, yeah.

I said the only situation in which FRB could be not!town is when skybird is not!town as well so scum don't care where the wagon goes.

You misinterpreting that I construe as a grab for towncred.

Actually, yes it is.

You flipping town basically clears FRB and gives us tons of associatives, least of all my ones regarding myself.

And there's a decent chance a lynch doesn't happen otherwise.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Eh, you can't CC prs in this setup. you'll get lynched eventually for it.

VOTE: ErrantParabola

I'd rather do that, but I'm also willing to do Kop simply on the grounds that so many other people scumread him and he's getting lynched at some point.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Correct play here is for any doctor(s) to flip a coin, and if heads, to target Skybird.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Skybird, you've seen my reasoning. There's absolutely no reason to lynch FRB today since he's basically confirmed clear if you're town.

If you want to flashwagon Kop or EP I'm all ears.

[Benevolent Dictator]

VOTE: Kop

[Benevolent Dictator]

[Benevolent Dictator]

I still request that whoever is le cop le checkerinoes le ErrantParabola.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Also, I'm pretty sure Accountant died.

I mourn his loss.