Open 621 (C9++): The ZAR SHOW S1 Holiday Special - OVER!

[Lowell]

/confirm

First game back after a four-year hiatus! Be gentle. Let the wagon that kills me be unyielding and merciful.

[Lowell]

VOTE: Kop

BBT is town.

[Lowell]

Greetings kmd. So, several familar names here. What fun.

@kmd- so, BBT isn't town then? What you sayin' here?

[Lowell]

My ears are burni-- Oh.

Okay. It's fine. Just... give me a minute.

[Lowell]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ABR

This is how we wagon.

[Lowell]

unvote

VOTE: ABR

I don't know how to do this, but you know what I mean.

[Lowell]

unvote

VOTE: shaddowz

Guy's a try-hard. 47 with the earnest "serious vote" tag, then in 52 he's super eager to justify his nothing.

STEP 1: "SERIOUS VOTE GUYS LOOK I'M TRYING"
STEP 2: "YES I THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THAT VOTE THANK YOU FOR ASKING"

[Lowell]

@kmd- shaddowz reads like a player who is making a showy effort to look like he's being useful, while not being useful. The way he (superfluously) notes that his vote is a "serious vote" in 47, then has a ready-made oh-so-casual response to justify it in 52. He's defending his right to be suspicious and cast a vote more than he's defending the vote itself. So, not so much a try-hard, as a faux-try-hard. Join this wagon.

[Lowell]

fos:
AI
Yos
lucky

AI because I think lurker-hunting and meta-discussing RVS is a safe way out. He comes off worse in the exchange with Kop.
Yos, for similar reasons, because listing all the most active players and giving them "town reads" is a too good way to win friends.
Lucky for being a lurker and not really playing. And yes, I realize the irony in that reasoning, but I get a vibe from him that he's trying to be the casual guy in the corner who drops in every so often to say inoffensive things.

[Lowell]

If AI could stop mansplaining how voting works that would be great. I'd vote hiim if someone could tell me why the shaddowz wagon is broken.

[Lowell]

Also I forgot to mention rofl is town, even though he's openly trying to derail the lucky wagon. Which, by the way, does the lucky wagon need more juice, or what? Or should I just wait here until it fizzles out?

[Lowell]

I like BBT's entry into the game. Particularly the questions pointed to AI. Town.

I note Yos' vociferous defense of AI in 151. My suspicion is that it makes Yos more likely scum and AI more likely town.

But I ask again... why is the shaddowz wagon going nowhere? He started lurking after I called him out, and nothing has happened since.

[Lowell]

lowell, kop, shadow and toffee are all town and should all climb aboard the always innocent wagon with me for great justice

Kop and shadow are town???

Is KMD town? A friend wants to know.

[Lowell]

I think I may almost be coming around to AI being town? His offputting earnestness might not be an act.

Can we talk about ABR? Why is he town? I feel like we had a modest wagon that fizzled out.

[Lowell]

@mod

I'll be away from noon tomorrow until Monday morning. I may or may not have internet access during that time (I will try to check in at least once or twice, but don't have a smartphone so it's sort of a pain in the ass).

Can I proxy my vote while I'm away?

~.No <.< ~.Zar

[Lowell]

unvote

Anyway, turns out the key to avoid lynch is to stop talking. That certainly won't backfire.

VOTE: yos

I'm a fan of 209, and acryon as town.

[Lowell]

If Yosarian is town, then BBT might indeed be scum.

Why? I don't see it. And are you saying you think yos is town, or not?

[Lowell]

lowell please just vote for alwaysinnocent with me. seriously, we can lynch yos tomorrow. anen is right that he's investigation bait. i'm also nostalgic and want more than one game day of yosarian2 even if he's going to play the take-my-ball-and-go-home card.

Stop being so foolish. It's going to lose us the game. Especially if you keep this up.

Just so I'm clear, here. yos thinks you're town and it's suspicious, and rofl thinks you're scum you seem pretty sure he's town?

[Lowell]

Merry Christmas, ladies and gents.

Anen is town. I like his last few posts.

[Lowell]

From what I've seen, 351 seems uncharacteristic for AI. So, not sure what that means yet, but noted.

rofl looks the better in this rofl/yos bickerparty. I could for sure see yos as scum at this point, though I'll wait for a votecount because I want to see who is on the wagon.

I liked a point BBT made about KMD being too calculating (too lazy to go find it again). I know at least a couple people were pushing a kmd wagon awhile back. Then it fizzled out. Though I have no sense whether it fizzled in a good way or a bad way.

[Lowell]

stop using the i'm an easy target defense ai, if you were an easy target you'd be lynched by now

Good post, and good point.

[Lowell]

unvote

VOTE: AlwaysInnocent

I still think yos might be the better play (given the yos/AI interactions earlier) but it's time to apply pressure on AI. Also, Anen and rofl are my two strongest townreads, so I'm comfortable with this.

[Lowell]

I kind of agree with Shaddowez there, so I will be joining the Lowell wagon.

VOTE: Lowell

Pretty easy to agree when someone is offering an alternative to yourself, isn't it?

shaddowz, kop, and AI on my wagon? Oof, I must be doing something right.

[Lowell]

unvote

Anyway, turns out the key to avoid lynch is to stop talking. That certainly won't backfire.

VOTE: yos

I'm a fan of 209, and acryon as town.

The other point I disagree with, is when you joined the YOS wagon, you claimed 'the best way to avoid a lynch is to stop talking'.

If you don't want to be lynched, the best way is to prove your worth, to show why you shouldn't be lynched. And if someone is put under pressure by questions, deliberately ignoring them, is going to get you lynched. It might just be me that thinks that, but I think keeping quiet, isn't the key to avoid being lynched.

Kop

, it seems to me that you took Lowell's comment way out of context, leaving off entirely the part about it won't backfire.

Eh, I think Kop just didn't pick up on the sarcasm here. Hard to believe he took my comment earnestly (as a guide?) but maybe he did. In related news, he's been gone awhile....

Still, Kop's long earnest case against me makes me think he's probably town. I think scum would be savvier, frankly. In any event, I've already got too many scummy people on my wagon, and I doubt more than one or two would jump on at the same time.

[Lowell]

I've had a long-running assumption that BBT is town. But all right, I guess I'll reexamine that. 531 makes an interesting point. And I agree with AI's 543.

[Lowell]

Lowell, any idea what triggered that assumption?

Don't really recall. I could iso myself but that's bullshit. I think I just had an early read on him as playing townish. But I'm starting to buy what ABR is selling, I think. And it does fit with what scum might do: (1) jump in early, get ppl to say you're town; (2) do nothing else; (3) win. So as I said I'll reconsider.

[Lowell]

Yeah, I'm a little uncomfortable about Lowell's turn here, especially since not too long ago Lowell had joined BBT's wagon on me; apparently Lowell liked BBT's case against me just fine then.

Guilty. Honestly I haven't been paying that much attention. I'll be better.

[Lowell]

ai / bbt scumteam actually makes a ton of sense

Day 1, Votecount 15

AlwaysInnocent (5): Kmd4390, Lucky2u, Aneninen, roflcopter, Lowell

BlueBloodedToffee (3): Yosarian2, Albert B. Rampage, texcat
Lowell (3): shaddowez, AlwaysInnocent, Kop
Yosarian2 (1): BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting (1):

acryon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or to no lynch.

Deadline

: Saturday January 9, 2016 11:30 AM  New York Time. (GMT-5)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2016-01-09 11:30:00)

Albert B. Rampage is V/LA until Monday

acryon is V/LA until Monday

shaddowez is V/LA until Monday

Kmd4390 is V/LA until Tuesday

I was starting to come around to this too until I saw the votecount. You think we'd get 8 votes on scum? Usually seems like one of two leading wagons is scum, but not both.

[Lowell]

Lowell, it is possible if there are only two scum and I am one of them (not true though). But the probability of two major scum wagons on D2 is extremely small.

I agree. That's what I was saying.

I also won't rule out that ABR and BBT could be scum together. Their attacks seem extreme, but they might do it for the lulz if they think they have the game under control.

[Lowell]

I'm buying AI as town based on the last three pages.

And to prove I can flip-flop with the best of them, I'm also all-in on ABR's case on BBT. No one iso me, it's embarrassing.

UNVOTE: AI
VOTE: BBT

[Lowell]

I'm buying AI as town based on the last three pages.

And to prove I can flip-flop with the best of them, I'm also all-in on ABR's case on BBT. No one iso me, it's embarrassing.

UNVOTE: AI
VOTE: BBT

You agree with the slip BS or something else?

I'm buying ABR's overall logic, which I paraphrase as: jump in early, look town, tunnel on one person who isn't a major lynch target, sit back and profit.

[Lowell]

Did Anen just call Kop "cum"?

There's townslips, there's scumslips, and there's freudian slips, I guess...

[Lowell]

LOL. Yos isn't town.

But I can settle for Lowell.

I think I explained this, earlier, when someone made literally the exact same point. That you're upset now that I'm voting me makes me think I was probably right to vote for you.

Seriously if BBT doesn't die today he never will.

[Lowell]

Oh guys be serious. A compromise Lowell-wagon just before deadline? You really couldn't do this any more poorly, could you.

I'll vote tex if that's what it takes. But he ALSO just looks like a compromise wagon just before deadline (albeit a scummier one).

[Lowell]

I explained why I moved my vote.

Also I feel like I'm having this meta-discussion everywhere at once? Is it really your opinion that changing votes often is a scum move? Because my experience is that scum are less inclined to make enemies.

[Lowell]

Lowell should vote texcat

I will, if that's what we're doing. Is that what we're doing? Why not BBT again?

[Lowell]

So, we're voting tex because of kmd, then? I guess I forgot that's how this game works.

UNVOTE: bbt
VOTE: texcat

Now, AI, what are you doing?

[Lowell]

kmd's case against me looks contrived as hell. "soft defense" of a besieged town player is not uncommon for scum. In fact, it's the most common thing there is. And I'm not just saying that because it's me. Though I would, of course. Anyway, moving on...

yos is right, kop spent a lot of time derailing the BBT wagon.

I'm going to put him at L-1 unless someone sees some reason not to.

[Lowell]

VOTE: BBT

I don't think we're going to get anything but stalling from BBT here. I'm also not particularly worried about him being at L-1.

[Lowell]

I look at this and see a lot of confirmed town players voting you.

[Lowell]

I look at this and see a lot of confirmed town players voting you.

You know that doesn't mean anything.

Probably not. So I'm curious what he thinks he means, then...