Open 620: Duck Duck Goose Game Over, Mafia Victory

[RadiantalyFarrar3]

VOTE: Lowell

Wagons wooooooo

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Two wagons and you're RVSing with nothing else to say?

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You're just saying that

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I'm no expert but I believe that Johnny made those last 3 posts.

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Oh yeah I'm not gonna bother signing posts because I'll just forget at the scummiest moment

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Hoo boy. This game moves, huh?

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Can't fault that vote.

Damnit Taly you're scumming up the slot.

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So Burning Earth. You here to answer questions?

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How do you feel about policy lynches?

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Hey that was quick. Your vote looks dumb then.

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Ohhhhh go on

Explain it to me like I'm slow (because I'm slow)

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Pffffft funny thing is the wrong head got blamed. Taly hasn't posted yet, all posts have been me (the scummy one) and Bells (the sexy one).

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So your lynch ask liars thing was a lie?

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Teehee you're the worst

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To be fair if we were scum I'd have made both of them make sure run every single post they make through me.

I wuv my 100%sies.

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Oh yeah I'm not gonna bother signing posts because I'll just forget at the scummiest moment

Can you explain what you meant by this? Please define what you mean by "scummiest moment". I just glossed over it because I did not understand it. And can everyone else who thinks that it is scummy explain why?

I meant I'm just gonna not sign from the start, because I will inevitably forget, and when I do someone will try to turn it against us. It's a bullshit thing that happens always with hydras so I figure I'll deal with it now instead of later in when it might be important.

There will be dissonance in this hydra. All of us are talkative, all of us will be around to answer for ourselves. Learn that now.

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Can't fault that vote.

Damnit Taly you're scumming up the slot.

That quickly, huh?

I hate hydras that don't sign btw.

I do. Happy to talk as long as literals don't faze people too much...

That did look pretty scummy (for page 1)
VOTE: RadiantalyFarrar3

So...

You sheeped a vote with little reasoning behind it rather than your own assessment?

Don't understand the townvibes on you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: concvex

Oh yeah I'm not gonna bother signing posts because I'll just forget at the scummiest moment

This seemed self-conscious to me. Good enough for page one. I also don't like that you hand waved by saying "yeah that post was scummy but it's only my other, worse head"

We need some more posters in here btw.

Idk how it's self-conscious to admit to anything that'd appear scummy, whether it's serious or not.

Would you rather nobody to bring up the topic of signing? And not everyone in a hydra is the same in how they portray themselves, so your hydra banter seems very quick in judgment.

~Taly

- Btw. This is this heads first post.

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FYI.

JohnnyFarrar often sends GIFs and etc. So that's how you can tell who he is.

I will always sign my posts.

And RC is RC... And does RC things. ._.

~Taly

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That vote looks very OMGUS.

VOTE: RF3

Pot calling the kettle black.

I make my own idea on not seeing how Conc is getting townvibes and vote there and here you vote and jump on the idea that my vote was bad when I gave my thought process on it.

You don't even state how this is OMGUS.

conc and Mathilda are giving me townvibes so far. I need more people to post before I really get into it. I know that's hypocritical coming from the person with only 2 posts, but I don't have much to work with.

You even could have explained why you had townvibes then, but you sheep-voted out of what BE said - and saw that as a reason to see conc-townvibe?:

People should sheep my vote, it's quite a good vote.

I can't see scum making a post like this. Even if it was just a joke, I'd expect a bit more self consciousness. I also understand how concvex could've found what BE pointed out about RF3 as scummy.

And scum can easily make posts like town. The principle about this is, to you - it isn't self-conscious to ask for sheeping, yet based on what BE said - 1 of my heads saying they wouldn't sign at the scummiest moment - you say this is reason enough to vote.

So - even jokingly - saying you're doing a scummy thing is self-conscious compared to just stating that someone should sheep?

I'm not going to talk about frivolous literal crap if that's the basis of the votes on me. But your logic seems a bit skewed.

I'm getting scumvibes from Newbie. Want to get to Conc though.

You sheeped a vote with little reasoning behind it rather than your own assessment?

I thought it was a little worrying that your other head isn't doing something that could help the town (signing their posts) just because it could make them look scummy if they forget to do it. Even the other head agreed that post 20 looked scummy.

I have 2 other heads. Sure, I'll make it known to them that they should sign.

And are you serious? The 'other head agreed that our OTHER heads post was scummy?'

So this slots scum for calling the other head scummy? Wtf? Idek how you interpreted this as serious if not a lack of inhibition. But apparently this makes us self-conscious?

On a side note, if you all start signing your posts I won't scum read you for forgetting to sign every once in a while. That'd be stupid.

So now, we're scum because 2/3s of this hydra haven't signed so far?

You told us you won't scumread us? You're either baiting us, or the basis of your scumread and vote is shit. Idk how this is alignment-indicative, and you seem like you're bargaining for something which I don't like.

I didn't understand the townvibes on concvex either. The post he referred to was not pretty scummy, and pretty scummy for page 1 is not even pretty scummy. So why would he call it that?

"Pretty scummy (for page 1)" implied that I thought it was a pretty weak reason, but easily good enough to go off of for this point in the game.

This is weak.

See above.

This literally doesn't tell us anything beyond what we already have seen.

This head is fine with the vote here, atm.

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Feeling good with the Pip hydra atm. Similar with Sharky.

~Taly

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Guys I hate the word OMGUS so much. It's one of those buzzwords that new players latch onto for just a bit too long (see also: "misrep" and "buddying")

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What we have here, kids, is a player attempting to invalidate my other head's thoughts. I'm in the process of deciding if that means this player is malicious or if it just means she's stubborn.

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Whoops almost hydraslipped there. Guarantee that I'm gonna do it sooner or later.
I'm feeling honest townie frustration from RF3. To the people with townvibes on concvex, why?

I can't see it happening on the first page of the first day phase, a time when scum tend to be extra cautious.

wifom wifom wifom wifom wifom

Guys I hate the word OMGUS so much. It's one of those buzzwords that new players latch onto for just a bit too long (see also: "misrep" and "buddying")

Agree with this. I think OMGUS has a scummy connotation that shouldn't necessarily be there. It is possible to vote someone right after they vote you and have a real reason.
Concvex, what do you think of Newbie?
-the smart head

fite me irl

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That vote looks very OMGUS.

VOTE: RF3

Pot calling the kettle black.

How?

Didn't I explain that a sentence later? Let me break it down for you.

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You state my vote is OMGUS without reasoning. You vote me based off that???

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My vote on conc was because I didn't understand the townvibes there and I wanted to push, I also didn't understand why he sheeped that vote without saying much beyond it. You seem to have some sort of issue with my push.

I make my own idea on not seeing how Conc is getting townvibes and vote there and here you vote and jump on the idea that my vote was bad when I gave my thought process on it.

You don't even state how this is OMGUS.

I think it's OMGUS because you did too much with his reasoning for voting you and then voted him. It's obvious to me he saw BH's reasoning on you as scummy and decided to throw on a vote. Sorry if you don't like.

What are you talking about? My vote and reasoning on conc has nothing to do with the fact that he voted me.

It's that he sheeped over BE's thinking and I decided to push him for a better read.

And when is something too much? I'm going based off of what I see and think. You, however - seem to think that I'm basing this all around the fact that I "don't like" it? This doesn't make any sense...

How is my vote less valid than his?

You're also focusing to much on the idea that my vote is based only on concs thinking with BE - which is wrong. For reasons I've stated.

conc and Mathilda are giving me townvibes so far. I need more people to post before I really get into it. I know that's hypocritical coming from the person with only 2 posts, but I don't have much to work with.

You even could have explained why you had townvibes then, but you sheep-voted out of what BE said - and saw that as a reason to see conc-townvibe?:

Mathilda - Because of post #40. It looks like a person engaging genuinely, trying to figure things out.
conc - Already explained this.

These two reads aren't set in stone, and truthfully, I would like to see more from both.

Well this doesn't tell me anything I didn't know....

People should sheep my vote, it's quite a good vote.

I can't see scum making a post like this. Even if it was just a joke, I'd expect a bit more self consciousness. I also understand how concvex could've found what BE pointed out about RF3 as scummy.

And scum can easily make posts like town. The principle about this is, to you - it isn't self-conscious to ask for sheeping, yet based on what BE said - 1 of my heads saying they wouldn't sign at the scummiest moment - you say this is reason enough to vote.

So - even jokingly - saying you're doing a scummy thing is self-conscious compared to just stating that someone should sheep?

I'm not going to talk about frivolous literal crap if that's the basis of the votes on me. But your logic seems a bit skewed.

I'm not even sure how to respond.

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BE's reasoning on his vote against me - in part - is about how the posts in page 1 were self-conscious. Basically one of my heads saying openly that they'd forget to sign at the scummiest moment - Did people really take this seriously, btw? Or self-conscious?

Conc's vote is based around someone elses reasoning - and in part of me not understanding the townvibes on him - made me wonder around peoples thoughts on him.

Again, your response doesn't provide anything to go off of. I don't even know why you're voting me other than that you're creating some sort of dichotomy and then discrediting my thoughts revolved around a push.

I'm getting scumvibes from Newbie. Want to get to Conc though.

Geez, I wonder why? Does it have anything to do with me voting you and not seeing conc, your top suspect, as scum?

If this isn't a misrep, this is looks like an attempt to discredit me.

I never mentioned that I got scumvibes from you because of you voting me. It's the fact that these posts so far are of you not entirely explaining yourself, while you say you understand someone else, but finding fault whenever I push against them.

You go as far as to say things like "Sorry if you don't like" or "Is it because I'm not doing what you want" to make it a point to go against what I'm doing. This is seriously unhelpful, and not town-motivated.

Please I'm not asking people to vote or think remotely the same as I do, but your posts do not make any sense in the perspective that as town - we should figure out the game and actively working to take in info. in achieving that.

~Taly

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If she was planning to wifom being a newb she'd be planning to do so as town or scum.

Im not sure if there's any value to the tell.

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Well, that proves this post was RC at any rate.

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Guys I hate the word OMGUS so much. It's one of those buzzwords that new players latch onto for just a bit too long (see also: "misrep" and "buddying")

If this isn't a misrep, this is looks like an attempt to discredit me.

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Eh... The original was a quote from the other head. I didn't definitively accuse Newbie of misrepping, I did state whether I was uncertain whether she was, or if she was trying to discredit me.

I'll stop with the dissonance.

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OK, I'm not going to go back and forth forever about why I'm pushing someone and talking to the people who jumped on my wagon. I feel like a damn record and so I'm just going to clarify and answer questions and that should be done with it.

Why are you complaining about someone answering your question? This post was exactly what you were asking

Mathilda - Because of post #40. It looks like a person engaging genuinely, trying to figure things out.
conc - Already explained this.

These two reads aren't set in stone, and truthfully, I would like to see more from both

Not entirely. I was asking about conc specifically. She just said that she already explained it but I must have addressed it already?.

Whet? You specifically stated that he sheeped BE without his own assessment and didn't give any other reason.

Really? I also stated that I didn't understand the townvibes and I wanted to engage moreover by voting conc. >_>....

I voted you because it looked like you tried to add more to conc's vote than him simply agreeing with BE.

Seriously, what was I trying to add? I wanted to push conc off of him making vague statements and sheeping, and to clarify more on reads here. You say my vote was OMGUS when I had my reasons stated.

I wasn't trying to misrep you. I seriously wanted to know why I was giving off scummy vibes since you gave no reason.

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You stated my vote was OMGUS, and you saying things like "Sorry, if you don't like it" rings to me as if you're trying to discredit my reasoning for even going after conc. It doesn't matter over the fact the votes on me, I wanted to push him.

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I don't understand how the reasoning you gave on conc-town made him town.

I can see you coming from a town perspective too, but I'm not nearly sold on it.

Oh I didn't think that your second post that I quoted was self conscious, Taly. I thought that your first was, and your second was a bad hand wave.

I'm not sure on what posts you're talking about? My first 2 were those I signed in Page 2. 45 and 46

The "Damnit Taly, you're scumming up the slot" is a running joke in the hydra.... Because I 1v1 a lot. :/

I'm getting the sense that Newbie might not actually in fact be ... a newbie.

Which then suggests someone actually quite experienced at this game because they appreciate the value of being under estimated.

Why is this important? Because I like how she is scum hunting. But if she is experienced then could be this be a scum tactic to play as close to town as possible? Well there's absolutely nothing to suggest that this is the case for the moment so I am going to put her on my town pile for now.

With a joindate of August 2013, I highly doubt Newbie is an actual Newbie...

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Also, is this a game of 6 people or 12? Let's get posting, people!

@BE

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Thoughts on conc's 52

@Something Pip

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Not entirely sure of the purpose of 62?

Is E&A even in this game?

~Taly

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Fully agreed. There's a reason the RC head at least is posting very sparingly.

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Are you sure you're not Adenine?

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Oh hello D:

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What're your reads this game?

And yes, this is Anna head.

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VOTE: Sharky

Not much in favour of calling things flips but this is scum pure and simple.

-RC

slips*

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UNVOTE: newbie
VOTE: something pip

80 is the longest post to say nothing. Also ironically, it does what it purports to *facepalm*. Yes, 75 is pretty dumb, but Mathilda is the easy target here, and your obsession is overwrought. I get the vibe of scum happy to be able to jump in on a dumb comment and make hay with it. Way too much hay.

I don't think Sharky is scum because Lowell already claimed it. His only contribution to the thread is a chainsaw on basically what amounted to a FoS. I don't understand the vote on me being based on Mathilda being a easy mislynch bait when I'm not voting Mathilda.

This post makes no sense. Are you saying that you don't think Sharky is scum because Lowell already scumclaiemd?

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So you're agreeing that, should we lynch Sharky and flip scum, your head is immediately following?

Because that's the scummiest way to push people off of the Sharky wagon that I've seen in a long ass time.

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Taly head, here.

I like these Newbie votes.

all caught up
VOTE: Something pip

Explanation...?

Wee that was shit. Do you have an actual reason for voting me or are you just lazy scum?
-pip

Eww...

UNVOTE: newbie
VOTE: something pip

80 is the longest post to say nothing. Also ironically, it does what it purports to *facepalm*. Yes, 75 is pretty dumb, but Mathilda is the easy target here, and your obsession is overwrought. I get the vibe of scum happy to be able to jump in on a dumb comment and make hay with it. Way too much hay.

I don't think Sharky is scum because Lowell already claimed it. His only contribution to the thread is a chainsaw on basically what amounted to a FoS. I don't understand the vote on me being based on Mathilda being a easy mislynch bait when I'm not voting Mathilda.

I'm having difficulty following you here. So you're saying that Sharky isn't scum, because Lowell is?

And where's this Lowell chainsaw post - if I'm reading correctly?

I have an independent town lean on Sharky before his "Why aren't you guys scumreading me" post. It went down to null for this head, but I'm not happy that Lowell got away with that awful post much more than I care about whatever RC thinks a scumslip is.

Are you referring to 85?

I'm not getting good vibes over that you're casting suspicion but you don't seem to be doing anything about it...

UNVOTE: newbie
VOTE: something pip

80 is the longest post to say nothing. Also ironically, it does what it purports to *facepalm*. Yes, 75 is pretty dumb, but Mathilda is the easy target here, and your obsession is overwrought. I get the vibe of scum happy to be able to jump in on a dumb comment and make hay with it. Way too much hay.

I don't really understand the thought of Mathilda easy lynchbait?

Let the BE/Sharky scumteam begin.

So... You're just going to narrate what you're anticipating? Eh...

~Taly

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^^^ this guy is going to be fun.

The AtE is strong in you.

I don't think this means what you think it means

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Taly's been making everyone think we're all townie so I figured I'd come in and fuck up all that hard work.

You sheeped a vote with little reasoning behind it rather than your own assessment?

I thought it was a little worrying that your other head isn't doing something that could help the town (signing their posts) just because it could make them look scummy if they forget to do it. Even the other head agreed that post 20 looked scummy.

OK fight me on this, how exactly does us signing help the town? If one of us does something scummy does it matter who said it? If we change our minds a lot does it matter what we blame it on? Bottom line we're all good enough that we don't need to blame hydra dissonance for any bad play we might commit so the signing bullshit is just a waste of my time and a waste of your energy. Unless you're scum, then good job distracting the town.

If pip is the same pip I remember it's weird that I'm agreeing with him so much.

People should sheep my vote, it's quite a good vote.

I can't see scum making a post like this. Even if it was just a joke, I'd expect a bit more self consciousness. I also understand how concvex could've found what BE pointed out about RF3 as scummy.

What the hell are you talking about? Everyone makes posts like this, all the time.

This is just one of those things that I'll have to agree to disagree.

Scum joking about a

vote wagon

on the

first

page? Nah. Can't see it.

I literally did this exact same thing, where's my defense brigade? Or is this bullshit?

Oh shit Frozen is here

VOTE: Burning Earth

Go on

I don't like the whole "Taly stop posting so much" thing when activity is this low. We need folk to get in here.

If I cared to hijack Bells' vote I'd throw it on Newbie, but Bells is smarter than me so I'll leave it for now.

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Imagining your eyes darting back and forth as you say that

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Hi. I don't remember anything about you. Where's your vote?

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YOU'RE NOT DOM BURNIE

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YOU'RE NOT DOM BURNIE

I felt that his response to my post was likely to be more interesting than his response to yours.

I like Burnie though.

Well here's the thing, he posts 'hi' and that says to me "I'm here to start a dialogue"

I post a simple question and you cut in being all hostile. Dialogue ruined. I'm already in a bad mood.

So this says to me either you're his partner and you don't want me digging into him OR you're trying to frame him and you don't want him to have a good reason for what he's doing. Your thought about him having some disease that renders him only able to answer one question at a time is sad and unconvincing.

Also I tend to hate abbreviated names so I turn them into things that are pronounceable.

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I mean he was already not answering your question so maybe he's just avoiding you



Also in my experience prod dodges don't usually come almost a full day before prods are up

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It's the best answer for what that was unless he's just dumb. Not discounting that, but I'm an optimist.

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So lurking is a scum tell for you?

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So not protown=scum?

[RadiantalyFarrar3]

Have you ever discussed that particular thought before?

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I'm actually trying to decide if your bad opinion on this theory is coming from a town place or not. Have you ever discussed this particular theory in another game?

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Obvscum? You're just wrong. There's nothing obvious about that slot except that he's bad. Obvscum gets votes.

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Good job voting that super scum. I'm so convinced I'll vote with you

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What's the reason?

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Because you disagree, or?

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Taly head here. Haven't been so active the past few days but I'm regaining time and energy. So I'll be contributing more....

This town is pretty aggravating.....

I think Sharky is town because the last sentence of 116 ("Let the BE/Sharky scumteam begin") is not self-conscious enough to be scum. Nothing to do with Lowell.
Lowell's chainsaw that pip referred to is indeed 85, and I'm not voting him because I have stronger reads, I want concvex to say something, and the chainsaw could be unconscious (Lowell sees Mathilda as town and an easy target and automatically scumreads us for attacking her). I'm leaning toward voting Newbie, however.
-the smart head

Tbh "Let the BE/Sharky scumteam begin" seems like a half-assed way to let people know you've anticipated that happening to you. Which is either a distraction or just plain useless unless it was meant to gauge a reaction by a townsperson to stir conversation in the game.... And I haven't seen Sharky post much since then. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As for the 'Lowell chainsaw' I don't really understand that much either.

Are you insinuating both Lowell and Mathilda are scum together? Or do you think Lowell is scum by herself? I don't understand this. What's not valid about Lowell's townread on Mathilda?

Still here, I'm going to try to get back into the game later tonight.

That's yet to have happened....

VOTE: Burning Earth

Explanation would be lovely. But you could just flake like half the playerlist atm....

Dom is clearly just lurking scum IMO.

And what have you done to push him into actually engaging?

UNVOTE: whoever
VOTE: conc

To add pressure. This looks like the kind of game where we just wagon everyone to get them to wake up. Wake me when it's my turn.

*yawns*

Try breeding apathy less in your next post, please.

While you're at it, I just want to entertain how I don't exactly understand these votes back onto the conc wagon, namely how quickly there are. Of course a flip gives information, but I'm pretty sure that conc being null and inactive af seems like a policy thing and the fact that people just jump on the notion that a quicklynch should be made there does not sound entirely town-sided.

^if concvex ever gets bussed this is 100% where it happens.
BE vs. RF3 seems TvT.
Dominator is obvscum.
Not_Mafia will probably need to be PL'd at some point.
-the smart head

This is why I'm not confident in my read in you.

You throw on a townread on something.
After you say something else is scum. (Lowell?)
Then you call out that Dom is 'obvscum', but do shit about it.
You then say that NM should just be policy lynched -wtf? But your votes still on conc, yet you just say that someone is bussing conc?

Seriously. Wtf are your reads. This is either hydra dissonance in picking up a lot of adversity with people, or I really don't like how it seems like you're lining up shit with your scumreads.

VOTE: Concvex if that's what we're doing,

I mean... You could be giving your individual opinion but you know... Sheeping's cool too....

Sorry for needing to be prodded. I am watching this game. Wasn't sure what to post because there's so little content, but I suppose that's probably part of the reason why there is so little content. I'm going to re-read the entire thread again and be more active.

I've never played a game with a hydra before. The concept is new to me. I'm thinking through the mechanics of it. It's like an entire faction in one. If one member of the scum team of three slots was a hydra then there would be 6 scum players. That sounds somewhat mental.

So far the only person who I know for sure is town is Frozen Angel for #107. I hadn't read the possible set-ups.

Hydra's tend to be sided in the faction their in. But they play as an individual person - which means ideally - they all must be on the same page as each other in how they work - which is near impossible for a lot, that's why hydra's are either very strong or very weak in an area when it comes to playstyle.

If anything, you get several personalities and gamestyles to look at in 1.

If you have questions I'll be glad to answer.

Also, this is an Open Set-up - so there's only 3 scum and 9 town with the same roles

P-Edit

OK, you covered this

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Mathilda, what do you think about Lowell?

~Taly

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RC here, going to look over Concev and give thoughts.

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I mean I guess Concev could be scum, but there's no where near enough content from the slot.

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What's remotely yuck about saying a slot with 6 posts could be scum based on what they've posted but doesn't have nearly enough content for me to want to lynch them?

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VOTE: TheDominator

Fluff poster doing the minimum necessary to register a presence but does not explain any of his thoughts or votes. Anti-town at best.

Why is he voting for Something Pip in #132?

It could be that he's not paying much attention to the game, but some pressure might give us extra information that we need to determine whether this is the case or not.

In my experience pressure works best when you state it's pressure outright. Really lends gravity to the vote. Makes it seem serious.

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droog doesn't like me :C

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droog I'd rather Lowell, here
VOTE: Lowell

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RC likes Mathilda for town here.

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^this is a good point

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This is why I'm not confident in my read in you.

You throw on a townread on something.
After you say something else is scum. (Lowell?)
Then you call out that Dom is 'obvscum', but do shit about it.
You then say that NM should just be policy lynched -wtf? But your votes still on conc, yet you just say that someone is bussing conc?

Seriously. Wtf are your reads. This is either hydra dissonance in picking up a lot of adversity with people, or I really don't like how it seems like you're lining up shit with your scumreads.

The only read we disagree on is Newbie. Our top two scumreads right now are conc for starting a point, then letting Newbie take all of the heat for him and dom for every post he has made this game. My experience with NM is that he will never do anything the entire game. I don't think there is any way of dealing with that besides a policy lynch at some point.

So.... It's a bunch of dissonance on the Newbie read? Which one has what read on Newbie? Because a portion of your top scumread seems like an associative...

You don't take issue with the quickvotes on Conc?

Burning and RF are town. Mathilda's play is weirdly methodical. Someone kill conc.

Thanks for side-stepping me...

...Without ANY reference or response to my thoughts and questions previously. 196

I told you to not breed apathy.... And you only give an ambiguous response on Mathilda, and the throw BE and I in a bloc, while you plainly state that conc should just die.

Any reason?.... If anything, why not engage on me with my thoughts on your conc-wagon instead of just throwing out reads? This looks dismissive and I'm not seeing a good motivation here.

The votes staying.

reads

town

burning earth
dominator
newbie

null

rf3
not mafia (where is jhe)

scum

loweell
mathilda


VOTE: mathilda

@mod requesting extension please

Explain this dom townread because they're null at best in my eyes.

I read through your posts and unless I missed something, the read seems partially gut.

Yeah all your other reads suck though.

I'm town, obviously.

Cool, BE.... Tell someone that their reads suck when they townread you - not give any reason as to why, or rationale behind the thought; and then just state that you're obviously town out of the pile of reads that "suck"....

Why should I respond if I am satisfied with the response?

This all looks contrived by you to find distract people from the lynch wagon on your slot. This in itself makes me read you as scum. More so than anyone else I have voted for so far.

These first 2 sentences give me some bad vibes. Most of the votes on droog are about conc's entrance.

And so now when there's content from that slot - droog replacing in with pressure, you now say he's scum for giving reads and pushing other people?

What about droogs' posts exactly seem like a distraction?

Another thing - what about my 'response' satisfied you?

(I'm assuming it's a post that I made?)

~Taly

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-nice content

This is a dumb point, smart head

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Apparently I haven't been very clear with people on some things.

This is the Taly head.

The funny thing is, I didn't even realize that was his first post. I thought this was.

^^^ this guy is going to be fun.

The AtE is strong in you.

That's what I figured you were referring to. Still, how is he a strong town read based on any of it?

i have him as town
nowhere do i say 'strong town'
its my first readlist after entering
~10 pages in
what more do you want besides ...

Explain this dom townread because they're null at best in my eyes.

I read through your posts and unless I missed something,

the read seems partially gut.

... pretty much this

This strikes me as genuine. It doesn't look reachy for tagging a read on someone, nor does it look fabricated in how it is validated.

Taly why must you always wallpost.

-_-*... I don't have the time, nor the mentality to make 100 frivolous 2-sentence posts before people respond to me.

I am long-winded. All games I am in, I regularly make wallposts addressing several things. That's my general playstyle - regardless of alignment. I'll happily ask you to look at my wiki, or me link you several games so this could soak into your head - as well as others who seem to have an issue with it?

but slow down the posts a little

taly talks too much

This is starting to become an annoying trend....

Especially since I've only made 9 posts in this hydra so far - including this one. That's not even a 1/6th of the entire posts that have come from this slot.

Namely, this is more annoying to hear since:

1)

Do you people NOT realize that this is a slow-running game so far? Why is me posting, adding bulks of content into each of my posts - something detrimental, or difficult to understand?

2)

As I just stated. Literally... My post count is lower than the ground in this hydra and me disappearing 1 day or 2 before going back to the thread and forming my thoughts already makes me think I should be adding MORE content for this slot.

So, there. Those are my thoughts pertaining to my posting style. I'm not apologizing for that.

I'm not really angry, nor is this post meant to be personal in any shape or form - just like all my other posts in a game...

But I'd appreciate it if people just let me be on my posts...

I am the one scumreading Newbie, and it's because I see scum trying to fit in in every post she makes. She has a lot of equivocation, using many words to say little, defensiveness, and a general lack of scumhunting, in favor of trying to keep everybody happy.
Not sure why pip has her as town.

Well.... I'd like to hear Pips side to this....

I only take issue with the conc quickvotes if he turns out to be scum. Because the conc wagon was gearing up and it's a good time to bus.
Like shadow's entrance. Not so much droog's.
-the smart head

So... You're saying that shadows entrance in voting dom looks like it'd be a good time to bus.... >_> Another suspicion throw on someone I don't know if you think is definitively scum?

I'm still amazed how your vote is still on someone from 200+ posts ago, and we barely have 300 in this game.

Your walls are all way too defensive. Overall you seem so preoccupied with your townie image that you've forgotten to actually act like a townie would.

Act like a townie would? What? This accusation does not seem sound.

How is town supposed to act?

~Taly

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Taly again.

I almost never phonepost, btw. But I'll be mindful that you do, smart.

Alright Pip and droog. I was just making it clear about my posts. If it's that difficult to pick through them, then just highlight a specific part of my text and then [quote=???] text [/quote] then reply there.

I just felt I needed to address the comments because I felt somewhat agitated by the circumstance. I'm not taking anything personally as I've stated.

As for your other point - smart, I'll look at your posts on Newbie and review Newbies posts in depth tomorrow, addressing your point.

It's late here and I'm mentally drained.

Thanks for understanding.

~Taly

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I am

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I'm bored and upset. Anyone around wanna do a quick one on one?

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I'll do my best. Are you a confident scum player Burnie?

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Why dominator at all?

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Scumreading a lurker for lurking and nothing else is fucking stupid but I get that people do it. How is he comparable to Lowell though, who's clearly done things to benefit scum?

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I mean anyone who has a read on Dom beyond "hurr durr he ain't talking" is either lying or I've skimmed over it. So you saying "Why Lowell over Dom?" looked like "Why this scummy person over someone who hasn't posted?"

Dom looks like scum's happy fallback today.

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I'll do my best. Are you a confident scum player Burnie?

Don't think I've ever been scum. One day, I will roll it! One day!

Can't tell if you're serious

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How is town supposed to act? Scumhunting, maybe? The accusation is very sound. Townies do towny things like scumhunting. They don't spend time keeping up their image. Newbie has focused on keeping up her image and has forgotten to do towny things like scumhunting.
-the smart head

I said I'd get to this in some form.

Eh... I don't see much scumhunting from the slot in ISOing Newbie. They're somewhat useless and null... to be blunt.

They have made some points that make me think they might be town.

@Newbie

>

Thoughts on Karnage's entrance?

>

Your vote is STILL on the conc/droog slot. 180 That was 150 posts ago... ANY changes in your top scumread?

I am

w/e

Why dominator at all?

Why not? Has he done anything that might make you think he's town?

Another head covered this in part - But huh?

There's people in this hydra that actually think someone else is likely scum now, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I'm sure there's some obvious scum here. Let me get back to you on Monday, as I said.

Casting general suspicion on your entire wagon without giving much but 'I'll talk about it later.'

Waiting to her who is scum to you, then.

Why should I respond if I am satisfied with the response?

This all looks contrived by you to find distract people from the lynch wagon on your slot. This in itself makes me read you as scum. More so than anyone else I have voted for so far.

These first 2 sentences give me some bad vibes. Most of the votes on droog are about conc's entrance.

And so now when there's content from that slot - droog replacing in with pressure, you now say he's scum for giving reads and pushing other people?

What about droogs' posts exactly seem like a distraction?

Another thing - what about my 'response' satisfied you?

(I'm assuming it's a post that I made?)

~Taly

I'll let you answer that one by asking you this question. What is there in your response #41 that is not satisfactory?

Here is the quote in full

Oh yeah I'm not gonna bother signing posts because I'll just forget at the scummiest moment

Can you explain what you meant by this? Please define what you mean by "scummiest moment". I just glossed over it because I did not understand it. And can everyone else who thinks that it is scummy explain why?

I meant I'm just gonna not sign from the start, because I will inevitably forget, and when I do someone will try to turn it against us. It's a bullshit thing that happens always with hydras so I figure I'll deal with it now instead of later in when it might be important.

There will be dissonance in this hydra. All of us are talkative, all of us will be around to answer for ourselves. Learn that now.

Can't think of anything that is not satisfactory? No? Me neither. Or do you just want me to make up something in order to answer people's questions?

I'm slightly confused?

41 was not posted by this head.

As for what 1 of my heads said, I take no issue with it. Dissonance is a reality in a hydra.

As for the signing? Johnny posts GIFs a lot, and RC tends to make short posts and derps sometimes.

I sign myself - A good portion of the time, you can figure out which one of us is posting.

Was 41 the response that satisfied you? I feel weird that you're just now responding to this as it was stated around 250 posts ago... And you respond with a question back....

Also @Karnage, Mathilda and Lowell 90% are super duper not mafia together, so I might go over the game again to check those reads. That was a strong entrance by Karnage though.

I disagree. I don't see anything that precludes them from being scumbuddies.

85 “mathilda is an easy target”
203 “mathilda’s play is weirdly methodical”
249 “this makes him (lowell) more town in my eyes”

what am I missing?

Yeah, I'm not understanding Mathilda-Lowell not being possible partners. They have sketchy interactions.

Associatives right now are shit atm.

>>>

I didn't see anything to take issue out of Karnage's entrance. But the slot - courtesy of Sharky - seems like nullscum. Sharky's ISO was weak, but a lot of their posts were just to either discredit something, give vague reasoning, and then give detracting comments... Like the him/BE scumteam.

I'll refrain major judgment there for a bit and form my own read on Karnage.

As for the gamestate atm - We're less than 4 days until a deadline.

We need to finalize some stuff. It's partially why I'm bothered by Lowell pushing off his "catch-up" post to Monday.

~Taly

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RC here and Mathilda is probably my biggest townread this game.

I think we might have pinned it right when we were lynching Droog.

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@pip Why Lowell over Dom?

Seriously.

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@pip Why Lowell over Dom?

Seriously.

Are you agreeing? If so, why is your vote not on Dom?

I jumped down Shadow's throat for this exact thought earlier. It's stupid. Stop pushing lurkers when there are scummy people to push.

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Oh hi. I think dom is probably a better wagon than Lowell. However, there isn't much time left so a Lowell lynch is better than nothing, I guess.

Why

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Lowell has spent the very few posts he's had in this game actively pursuing lynches he doesn't believe in. Is that ok with you?

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Do you have a response to the thing I literally just said?

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Nvm read Lowell instead of droog, thought everyone was insane. Why you not mention Lowell Hildy?

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Lowell has spent the very few posts he's had in this game actively pursuing lynches he doesn't believe in. Is that ok with you?

I do believe in them. The point here is I believe in MANY lynches... I'm not going to sit around and pretend there's only 1 or 2 people I would lynch just to avoid making people mad. Tunneling is not helpful.

I mean I guess Concev could be scum, but there's no where near enough content from the slot.

Very true. Vote him anyway. This game is going nowhere.

Ew

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The fuck you guys doing? I veto this.

VOTE: Droog

I'll follow you onto Dom if you'd prefer that, Mathilda.

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I don't support a Lowell lynch and I never did.

-Radiant

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I'm well aware that Lowell tends to look scummy. I'm not convinced that he actually is scum.

I get bad vibes about the lack of counterwagon.

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I don't trust your push either Pip.

Very exaggerated and if he flips town I'll be immensely interested in your slot.

-Radiant

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For one newbie
That you actually took my challenge
And named someone not-me on loweell
That you think is scum

Makes me lean back town

People should sheep my vote, it's quite a good vote.

I can't see scum making a post like this. Even if it was just a joke, I'd expect a bit more self consciousness. I also understand how concvex could've found what BE pointed out about RF3 as scummy.

Really liked this
Also tremendously liked your back and forth
With rf3

Um droog, Hi, I'm Johnny. You may not remember me, I died super early in a nightless vengeful you were in around a year ago. You didn't look this fake then.

RadiantalyFarrar3: a promotes apathy-head and a completely justified 'do not promote apathy'-head, interesting combo(unrelated to read): i haven't encountered anything yet that warrants the need of 3 brains, so i'm not compensating for it: town

at least two of us have no idea what this means. You've seen nothing we've done as scummy?

Droog: town (first time i see someone being right when posting )

this one annoys me, you don't think scum can be right? If anything, scum is more right that anyone else, especially in this setup, because they have all the information.

I'm not a fan of Trow's 'not opposed to lowell' standpoint that ends with a vote on Newbie and no intent to vote.

Is there a reason you won't tell me why you want droog lynched so bad?

I'm not the head you're asking but I'm just gonna say this is cute.

Obviously the people pushing for a Lowell lynch have not made a convincing enough argument that he is scum.

I need you to look at post 215 and tell me how it isn't the scummiest post in the game.

Actually hold up I have more problems with Hildy's posts so I'm gonna dedicate a post to it

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And for those who wonder who is scum on Lowell's wagon, my belief is that there aren't any (scum = Lowell, Newbie, Mathilda) but if there are then it's Scorpious or shaddow.

And this makes me suspicious of you as well. Maybe I was right with my initial impression of you.

Why? Do you suspect everyone who disagrees with/suspects you?

We can either sit here arguing our way to a no lynch, or we can lynch Lowell and, at the very worst, gain information from the flip.

We're gaining information now by seeing who is pushing for a Lowell lynch with very little information to go on and who don't bother making a good case for doing so, but telling people that it should be a default action to lynch him.

Are you confident enough in Lowell-town to act on that information? If so, why? If not, what the fuck are you talking about?

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No one is lynching Mathilda ever.

Like it's not even lynchbait; I frankly can't fathom how anyone is scumreading her right now.

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If I could call people scum because I could criticize their logic half this game might as well have selfvoted by now.

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I'm also not a huge fan of your wagon.

I'm a much bigger fan of the 'counter' wagon.

I don't think your scumread is scum.

I think you could easily be scum.

I forgot that criticizing Mathilda's logic made her scum.

^^

~RC

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IF Lowell flips scum you might have a case.

I'd still be inclined to think Mathilda town, but you might have a case.

He hasn't. I don't think he's going to.

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and if your counter to this lurker who might not be scum is another lurker you're uninvited to my birthday party

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Haven't posted much recently because I'm not entirely in tuned with my other heads' thoughts, nor am I too sure of my own.

I'm not entirely on board with Droog, and I'd much rather have a vote on Lowell, but I'm rarely confident in a read on D1.

I'll speak with my heads for consensus before a deadline is reached.

*Some heads atm are going through some shit. So FYI.*

@Taly what are the things Newbie has done that make you think she is town?

Nothing particularly strikes me as town or scum from Newbie in general, though - I haven't been too focused on several players these past few pages.

Though I agree with you that there's way too much preflip associative stuff going on.

Oh my god
I know preflip associatives are bad
But the Newbie-Lowell scumteam is real
LYNCH THEM. LYNCH THEM BOTH.
-the smart head

Yeah... If you're going to keep calling scumbuddies, then can you walk me through on Lowell-Newbie? I didn't quite catch it reading these last few pages.

>>

Does Pip agree to this Newbie-Lowell-Mathilda scumteam theory you have?

@Newbie

You stated you believe in BE scum but you've done almost little to push them so far? Is Dom even connected to your other reads? I'm having difficulty following your read progression, here.

Also 453 - You voted Lowell when Dom hasn't even posted yet liked you wanted him to? What made you change?

I also reject the notion that "oh he's been all over the place" is somehow a scumtell. If I were scum, you'd know it. I'd be polished, consistent, and constantly iso'ing myself to make sure no one comes at me with the lazy "omg u said he's town now u think he's scum lol ur scum" attacks.

At this point I'd vote for something pip, mathilda, droog, newbie, or dom. Let's make any of those happen and not waste a day.

Sigh... The fact that you're stating what you do could be seen as a scum-tell gives off the idea that you're anticipating certain reactions and think about appearing a specific way.

This is the problem I had with Sharky (When he was here), and Pip in one post.

You're OK with voting almost half of the playerlist? Numerically, there's at least 2 town in your pool....

400 Though, you vote someone other than the 5 you state in this post? After he votes you?

The last 4 posts in your ISO just seems like you're making indirect comments to try and derail your lynch...

415 You've had experience with Dom? I'd like to see a link over a game with him, then.

I even stated an intention to hammer Lowell myself earlier on before RF3 removed his vote.

Why did our vote influence yours not changing?

Nobody has stated, or done anything with the fact that Lowell is now at L-1 it seems, makes me curious here.

>>>

And on Mr. Trow? I don't know yet, his last 2 predecessors were null at best... I'm not understanding the townread on this slot, though?

Also Droog, you've had this slot as null for most of the day - Are you going to engage with us over that?

What's going on Johnny
I'm going to play for the town this game
Hbu
What about cowvells?

Taly is here, too.

~Taly

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purpose of this post?

Anyone who holds this game up for a Dom counterwagon will piss me right off. Also POSTS DON'T NEED PURPOSE JERKFACE

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Not entirely sure what you're saying, Trow. I actually wanna hear if she has anything. But if it's a case on another lurker it's stupid.

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@RF3 - I'm having trouble keeping track of your heads and their reads. Can we get a summary where each of you stands at the moment?

I only know of RC's strong townread on Mathilda and scumread on Droog from what I've seen.

I don't know much about Johnny.

Neither of the heads like Lowell's posts, though. There's somewhat of a consensus.

As for myself? My more confident reads is that Lowell is likely scum, I can't speak of ongoing games - but this does not look like town-them in comparison. Meta is only partially of why I feel this way.

I'm not going to let BE slide through this game but he seems town to me. I actually like some of Mathilda's posts, and not entirely seeing the scumreads there; so I'll have to re-look. Pip hydra feels town but I'm not confident here.

Newbie is just bleh.

I want more time to look at Mr. Trow.

Can someone please hammer Lowell as soon as possible?

Intent To Hammer Lowell Very Soon

~Taly

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VOTE: Lowell

This is hammer.

My other heads do not object.

We're too close to the deadline to see to any other wagon that'd be fruitful in information. I also have no other time before the day ending to hammer, so I'm doing this right before I leave for school.

~Taly

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Johnny here

My reads are up in the air right now.

I want Trow and Newbie killed but that might just be because I don't like them. Couldn't tell you a super valid reason.

Likewise I'm not as heavy into droog as my other heads are, but that might just be because I like him. He did look fake about Newbie a couple pages ago.

Will fight against a Burnie lynch.

That's all that comes to mind. Will poke around tomorrow if we live that long.

P-edit: oh and it wouldn't be hard to convince me to vote Shadow

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good morning everyone. Scum did a real good job last night, huh?

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awful lynch.

VOTE: Pip hydra

Need to sort this before we make our freebie lynch.

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-RC

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Why is this shitty Newbie wagon any different from the shitty Lowell wagon which flipped town?

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Sigh... Lowell flipping was not what I expected, like wth? :/

VOTE: newbie

Spent the latter part of Day 1 talking about scum being on lowell's wagon and talking then votes lowell to put him at L-1 two days before the deadline before disappearing for the remainder of the day. I get be willing to lynch somebody thats not a scum read to avoid a no-lynch but not at that point in the day.

I don't understand this post?

In your posts; I don't exactly see you saying that scum was on Lowell's wagon? And you put him to L-3 not L-1?

And you'd be willing to vote anyone that's NOT a scumread to avoid no-lynch? Eugh...

What are your reasons for thinking Newbie is scum?

VOTE: Newbie
Needs to die, needs to die, needs to die today
(Sung to the tune of Jingle Bells)
-the smart head

You said this exact thing about Lowell and he flipped town.

RC, hi, I think my other head has some strong reads right now. I have a few PoE scumreads on people, I also like Karnage's scumread on Newbie and something Something has been trying to convince me of so I'll start there.
VOTE: Newbie

-I just got ninjaed by my other head, cool

you have a few PoE scumreads by 1 town flip? Yet your vote right now is on Newbie so far by you saying you like that he's scumread and your head convinced you of something that neither of you stated?

I'm not following these Newbie votes, and I really don't like this death-tunnel thing you like doing.

~Taly

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VOTE: Trow

Basically voting them for voting Mathilda who is obvtown.

Wouldn't mind lynching Droog either, and I hate how Something_Pip just disappeared from the thread.

-RC

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Trow is scum. Please sheep.

Yesterday wagon suck RC not like. Today we want better wagon.

-RC

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That literally makes no sense since Mathilda is probably one of the people I most respect in this lobby and I'm also pretty sure it's town.

Explain to me why you interpret that as me telling her to shut up.

Explain to me why you're telling someone you're claiming to scumread to 'help town', and by doing what exactly?

And this follow orders thing is a joke.

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All you do is call us scummy and say that we're doing scummy things.

Then we're top townread?

VOTE: Egg

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This whole thread feels ignored.
I'm totally fine with lynching Newbie or Mathilda. Consider me on whichever wagon takes off.
-the smart head

Guys this is gross

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Man jesus guys.

I won't be around forever and I can't carry you from the grave.

Vote Egg.

RC guarantee he's scum; autolynch me if I'm wrong.

Please. Scum are running this game. Follow me and lynch scum.

Newbie's town. Mathilda is town. Just like I said Lowell was town. Scum are pushing weak players and getting away with it.

Sheep me. Vote Egg.

-RadiantCowbells.

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This whole thread feels ignored.
I'm totally fine with lynching Newbie or Mathilda. Consider me on whichever wagon takes off.
-the smart head

Guys this is gross

what kind of gross

vote-moving gross
or "look at my obversations fellow townies"
gross

closer to the latter I guess? More like "we definitely killed someone in this game for this horseshit way of thinking and I'd hope someone who was so terrible about playing would replace out instead of treating the game like this" gross

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Mathilda, vote with me or suggest an alternative wagon please.

-RC

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Mathilda's town and I'm going to burden of proficiency the shit out of anyone who votes her.

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Alright RC head is replacing out.

I tried to work with town but this town is awful.

You have my reads, you will know they came from town tonight. bye.