Open 626: Pick Your Poison(TOWN WIN)

[Antihero]

VOTE: Antihero, for obvious reasons.

learn 2 archetype, n00b

also
VOTE: flying cake punch

[Antihero]

itt ppl show they don't know what an antihero is

[Antihero]

VOTE: kaag

[Antihero]

Apparently, shitposting in RVS is a scum tell. Who knew?

(Well, apparently some people did!)

The epic logic: the man who

draws most attention to himself

on page

two

is likely to be scum? Genius!

.......?

and........?

[Antihero]

also mod got vc wrong lol

[Antihero]

also mod got vc wrong lol

Why lol? Why didn't you just say what was off?

why are you on my back about the shittiest and most pedantic things?

[Antihero]

fine w me

[Antihero]

Varsoon is the Innocent Child.

Haha wtf scum picked innocent child?!??! omg so terrible. I'm going to rethink all my "not scum, just noob" reads from here on out.

my first impression was actually the opposite

[Antihero]

out of 9 times this game was run:

9 have an ic
7 have a vig
3 have a tracker
7 have a cop
1 had a jailkeeper

i think scum are at least open frequent fliers

[Antihero]

In our last TWO games together I was town!

Do you understand the "Gambler's Fallacy"? You just committed it...

Now this is just grating.

Vote: Kickass L-1

[Antihero]

VOTE: voided

[Antihero]

No, he was wise, and did not push me to L-1 on page 3.

Unlike yourself. Your play = horrible. Ridiculous. Scummy.

Do you expect someone to come up an hammer you out of the blue, then? Or are you trying to instill unreasonable fear into everyone?

...what...?

voided you're not a newb don't pull that shit w/ me

[Antihero]

Generally when people vote me in RVS out of fear, scum tend to be behind it.

titus
titus
titus

...can we not do this...?

[Antihero]

oh jeez ralph wiggum and i are not going to get along this game are we...?

[Antihero]

actually liking titus so far

Not talking to you, Anti.

well i'm talking to you

claiming is a pretty appropriate reaction to being at l-1. i'll give the flying hydra the benefit of the doubt here w/ them thinking it's somehow incriminating, but i can't figure out why you think it is. the whole "panic" thing isn't really doing anything for me either; it feels similar to the "flail" buzzword that was all the rage a few years ago (it sucked as a thing to base reads on then and it sucks now).

Antihero, convince me your obvious town today. Discrediting posts from KAAG make it really hard for me to vote elsewhere.

yeah... aside from ranger's implicit scumread of kaag's first/early posting, this is actually the only legit criticism i've heard of kaag so far.

So, on a scale of 1 - 10 Ranger, how embarrassed will you be when:

A) I flip town,
B) Everyone sees your D1 reads are twaddle?

7? 8?

shitting on ALL of rangers reads instead of just her vote is kind of weird given he's voting voided and he hasn't rly specified reads of many other ppl. that said i still think the odds are in favor of kaag being town and the angles everyone else is taking are just crap.

[Antihero]

I always though anti-hero was the wife of uncle-hero...

(Yes, I had to add hyphens to make the joke work and yes, the joke wasn't funny.)

As a dad, I can appreciate a joke like this. I like you.

um....BS... I call BS

Does that count as buddying?

Ohhh...a bit of RQS with my RVS...edgy!

and this, strengthens my current vote

ooohhh dear, I was in thread after a few glasses of wine.... please ignore these... man that's so embarrassing

still reading

psshhhhhhhhhhhhh you call that drunkposting?

rookie

[Antihero]

(And I find sudden claims at L-1 without hammer intents to at least be sketchy, but I digress here.)

yeah b/c he would completely up w/ site conventions on waiting for someone to say intent

Ranger's voting KAAG, btw, not me. I don't know why, though.

maybe b/c she has kaag as a stronger scumread...? i mean... it's kinda' self explanatory...

[Antihero]

v/la through tuesday

parents are visiting so they're getting more attention than you jerks. seeya' later.

[Antihero]

pssssssssssssssssst

i have a secret scumread.

voided, you want to take a crack at who it is?

[Antihero]

scratch that does anyone want to take a crack at it?

cmon itll be fun.

[Antihero]

Is it Lowell? Always Innocent? Varsoon Smudger? Me?

X

oh no im sorry. thank you for playing.

scratch that does anyone want to take a crack at it?

cmon itll be fun.

Is it karnage?

WE HAVE A WINNER

[Antihero]

ur cute

[Antihero]

Awww. That was gonna be my next guess!

Though, I've got to ask, what makes Karnage more scum than, say, BROseiden? I'm assuming the lack of posts and/or the sketchy nature of what posts are there are contributing to this read.

a few reasons:
>karnage hasn't been posting here and it's not b/c he just wasn't posting on the site
>Post 91 pinged me in a couple ways. the comment on acryon was pretty cookie cutter and safe and jumping on you for being the l-1 vote is also a pretty non-controversial and conservative move. overall, getting a "trying not to rock the boat too much" vibe from the post.
>bro just seemingly hasn't been around and has been v/la

[Antihero]

I think this happens to me in every other game I play in.

I get invested in one game and ignore my other games and eventually somebody decides that makes me scum

...
is that all ya' got?

[Antihero]

but i'm currently reading through the thread.

alright then

lookin' forward to it

[Antihero]

smudger, and AI are my top town reads.

why?

FCP - didnt get a feel either way

lol

Anti - i don't like the naked votes

lol?

Titus - didn't like her desire to sheep antihero.

why is that scummy?

lowell could be scum. I dont like how he brushes of a claim on p-3 nor his vote on FCP. I don't like his like of quickhammers either.

if you don't have an opinion one way or the other on fcp, why does the vote bother you?

still like voided for scum. 107 127 160 just dont seem to work together.

what does that mean?

[Antihero]

you really need me to explain why that is scummy?

/nods
yeah, you do. it should be clear atp even for ppl who don't know us that we have a bit of history and she apparently respects my reads enough to be willing to sheep me.

how is that scummy?

[Antihero]

you really need me to explain why that is scummy?

/nods
yeah, you do. it should be clear atp even for ppl who don't know us that we have a bit of history and she apparently respects my reads enough to be willing to sheep me.

how is that scummy?

well whatever relationship you have wasn't clear to me and I don't know you from Adam so I can't speak to how strong your reads are.

I think that sheeping somebody outside of some sort of investigation result is a way of not taking ownership of your reads. especially this early in the game when it's impossible to be that confident of who is and isn't town.

she explicitly made the sheeping contingent on "convince me you're town"

[Antihero]

Oh yeah KAAG is pretty obviously town and that wagon on him was terrible.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

there's things here and there

[Antihero]

flying cake punch is insanely town and the fact it's not that way for everyone else baffles me

[Antihero]

those two ranger votes suck. smudger's prob scum, so there's that.

[Antihero]

anything beyond not liking the readslist style?

[Antihero]

so you believe it is Karnage, why is this rather weak read, imo,

[my post] a secret read?

*PEdit - that said Karnage has now reacted to this.... see below

ok.... so a "secret scumread" is something that you see but don't say anything about immediately, you just kind of feel it in your gut. they might not have the best ~reasons~, but you know them when you feel them. these reads either stick around (and their chances of getting more accurate get better) or they go away and you realize it's prob just paranoia. karnage's absence at the time made the read stick around after i got the creeps from the first post.

now let's dig into what exactly you're criticizing here b/c that's part of what makes me think you're scummy. given the nature of early game and what i just said about what i define as "secret scumreads" (i know that's my vernacular, not necessarily everyone else's), why are you being so dismissive of me?

[Antihero]

Yes, but I can't tell you what it is yet. I don't want Ranger to fix what gives her away.

that's pretty awful

[Antihero]

If you're going to say FCP is obv!town [...] could you also post a reason?

because i have eyes
and i'm reading the game

i'll make a post on it after work if i need to but really it's not rocket science

[Antihero]

The speed of this whole Karnage thing feels like a mislynch.

"speed of the wagon" is informationless bullshit

don't be terrible

[Antihero]

It's not informationless.

dude

i've been around and doing this a while

it is.

[Antihero]

it's a confluence of a TON of factors that you just get to learn over the games and only ONE of them is the alignment of whoever's getting wagoned

[Antihero]

it's not the probability of being wrong.

>how aggressive/risk averse the group is as a whole
>how aggressive/risk averse the scum team is
>the public image of the wagonee before being wagoned
>the public image of the wagoners
>how confident the wagoners are in reads of each other
>how skilled the lead wagoner is perceived
>how active the wagonee is
>how well liked the lead wagoner is
>how well liked the wagonee is
>how fast is the game moving overall
>how well does the playerlist knows each other
>is there anyone else aside from the lead wagoner trying to exert influence?
>the stage of the game
>how strong the town "herd" mentality is
>how much the individual player's playstyles "gel"
>overall trust between active townies

this is just what i could think of off the top of my head that could influence how fast a wagon goes. it's a lot more complex than the "FAST WAGON BAD" paradigm suggests.

...and trying to predict wagon "accuracy" based on all this is an exercise in futility. this comes from experience (trying to do it myself). seriously, if you're just itching to take apart a wagon on someone who doesn't look particularly town all you're doing is making the game dysfunctional.

[Antihero]

ok well forget me trying to tell you anything. 7 years here what the fuck do i know?

apparently you know everything already, alwaysinnocent.

have fun with that.

[Antihero]

It doesn't matter how well-liked anyone is: this does not make the wagon more likely to be correct. Risk-taking has no positive influence on correctness either. Etc. Etc.

THAT WAS MY POINT

THESE THINGS INFLUENCE WAGON

SPEED

, BUT THE

DON'T

INFLUENCE IF IT'S CORRECT OR NOT

[Antihero]

ok well then pardon me while i proceed to ignore you

[Antihero]

Yeah, so let's try to improve it. I don't think going along with it is going to improve our chances. I think we should use our brains more. Quick lynches, however, reduce the time we have to use our brains (and to gather information).

seriously

you are not listening

[Antihero]

HOLY SHIT YOU ARE JUST PROVING YOU'RE NOT LISTENING

[Antihero]

ok since ai apparently doesn't want to read or take time to actually understand what i'm saying, here's my point for everyone else:

speed of the wagon is not a good way to gauge how "accurate" a wagon is. there. that's all i said.

if you have ~words~ to put to a reason for karnage being town, that's awesome go ahead and say them. but throwing out "this wagon is too fast" is just an objectively bullshit and useless statement b/c you're just critiquing the group dynamic instead of the actual read. plz don't do that.

[Antihero]

I'm listening. I just don't understand your point.

and at the same time, you're dismissing it.

that's fucking annoying.

If we have a quick lynch that is poorly substantiated, then in the best-case scenario scum exercise no meaningful influence and town will have to guess. So this will be no better than random. It is possible that scum gets lynched, but it is more probable that town gets lynched, simply because there are more townies than scum. In the worst-case scenario scum do exercise influence and town performs worse than random.

you can stop at "quick lynch" because no quick lynch happened.

To win this game we must analyze. We are not playing a

pure

guessing game, are we? I think we all play this game with the expectation that we can do better than chance.

at its core, yes, mafia is a guessing game. and most ppl's intuitions are not that much better than chance, even ppl who call themselves "logic" players.

that doesn't mean you don't try. that means you just recognize your reads are just probabilities anyway.

[Antihero]

Too much discussing "THE game" and not enough "THIS game" guys.

ugh see its shit like this that makes me doubt you. everything ia and i have been talking about is directly applicable to this game and this feels like youre going for brownie points.

[Antihero]

No, your debate is a sideshow. Doubt away.

Brownie points? With who? You don't half talk some nonsense...

for all the bitching im doing im actually p happy with how healthy the discussion is.

is there a reason you seem to disagree?

[Antihero]

ai is making points about why he thinks the karnage wagon is bad and my points are about why theyre not necessarily applicable. in doing so were getting a better sense of how the other thinks and what our mindsets are and so does the rest of the game.

how is that a sideshow and why are you making an effort to marginalize it?

[Antihero]

Brownie points? With who? You don't half talk some nonsense...

just in general. it looks like youre trying to LOOK reasonable without actually being helpful.

why are you scumreading ranger again?

[Antihero]

i have to say

that i love all of you and i appreciate all of you

i'm glad youre here

[Antihero]

i'm a doooooooooooooooooooooooooooog

[Antihero]

Sometimes scum get quick lynched because they're scum

Sometimes people win the lottery. Doesn't mean you should be buying lottery tickets.

ok.... my slight variation on not mafia's answer is that sometimes towns just click.
they find each other quickly, trust each other quickly, and lynch scum. it's a beautiful thing when it happens. i think that might be what's happening here.
if you've ever played with pirate mollie, she calls it "town herd" and it's real. town move in herds and they pick up on each other in their movements.

flying cake punch is just town. they just... exude it. Post 129 is a pretty good example, but Post 157 is where i started feeling that. the reads just flow naturally, he doesn't force it or trump up his case or try to frontload it with a bunch of bullshittery. they also homed in on karnage RIGHT when i did and that was just awesome. they're picking up on all the right things and nothing they've said feels forced or uncomfortable. it's all just so intuitive and feels really right. if they're scum here, i will be really impressed because they just knew what buttons to push with me at least

[Antihero]

i would make a reasdlist, but i am too fgodamn drunk righ tnow

ok so most importnat thing is that bro isn't a townread but i want min to me. becaseu i think he's great. and i want him to be town but i ndon't niow.

[Antihero]

ok

so

i'm a ranger fanboy. so i dont know what raph wiggum seeis thats scummy in her but she seems liiek she's on the same wavelength. also shes a fucking scumhunting god. shes great . why are you suckreading her?

[Antihero]

ai

ai

ai

im sorry

i just got impastient and im imaptient and i just get hat way sometimes i just need to explain things better

i didnt mean to yell at you wreally i didnt. i hope you dont hinmko im sinsulting you.

[Antihero]

this is ridiculous

i was starting on a readlist and i didnt finish this sucks im doing it anyway

[Antihero]

really?

that's awful

[Antihero]

ok i'll stop posting now until i sober up

but really what is scum about ranger aside from "i dont like lists" because trhat's awful

i really feel like ranger and i are on the same wavelength here thats why i like her. the change in reads lists are really intuitive to me.

[Antihero]

VOTE: karnage

[Antihero]

what's interesting now is your post immediately under it, is that aimed at Ranger?

yeah and it's a cheeky response to ranger saying the ic is my secret scumread.

obviously

[Antihero]

Notwithstanding that her argument maybe that one of those questions is purely selfish on my part, the other questions asked her are relevant. I ask her about the way her lists are constructed and why certain players are where they are. For example, up until her last list vote and subsequent wagon you and Lowell had not contributed much to this game, Lowell less than you, and yet she has you and he in her top tiers? then we have here post where she answers me

the only thing i took away from this was that you didn't think there was anything readable in what lowell and i did.

this is an opinion that's not interesting or particularly compelling to me.

[Antihero]

ok i'll stop posting now until i sober up

but really what is scum about ranger aside from "i dont like lists" because trhat's awful

i really feel like ranger and i are on the same wavelength here thats why i like her. the change in reads lists are really intuitive to me.

I am going to leave this as you say you are not sober, and I for one make that same mistake often in forum games. B

But when you do sober up look at what I am saying with regard the lists, its not just the lists its the content, why does she like you and Lowell so much, whats that even based on? now you have stated that you are her fan and earlier you call her cute, and you say you think its because you are no the same wave length? That also does not sit right with me based on the fact you two have had very little if no interaction at all. Her content is lacking and up until your recent debate yours was pretty much limited. So I don't know what wavelength that might be but it's pushing out a very weak signal...

And while we are on the subject of read lists lets take the example provided by the Karnage wagon, Karnage posted a list, he got fried, and his wagon built , then your girlfriend jumps on board... somewhat ironic don't you think?

yeesh.

how crass.

[Antihero]

now you have stated that you are her fan and earlier you call her cute, and you say you think its because you are no the same wave length? That also does not sit right with me based on the fact you two have had very little if no interaction at all

these two things have nothing to do w/ each other. you can have the same view of the gamestate and not "interact."

i really don't know what your point or goal is other than to insinuate something sinister.

[Antihero]

I feel the same, but you're going to go all Wisdom on me and differentiate your reads from mine, whereas I'm sort-of feeling a {Karnage, Smudger, KickAssAndGiggle} scumteam which I want to iso to confirm but is looking awfully good right now and probably will continue until they are lynched.

nope

that's exactly where i am

(also, for smudger's "girlfriend" jab, i really didn't mean anything by the "cute" comment. that was off the cuff and troll-y. i'm not trying to be creepy.)

[Antihero]

rly? that certainly wasn't the impression i got.

[Antihero]

my townreads at this point are: AlwaysInnocent, Lowell, Flying Cake Punch, Ranger, Titus, not_mafia

voided might be better since the game started? don't really know haven't payed attention to him in a while.

i know bro is a late-bloomer so i'm just leaving him alone for now.

smudger, i'm kind of in a place of "not sure if bad or scum." i'm leaning the latter though. like alwaysinnocent, he seems really out of step w/ the town herd. but unlike ai, he doesn't really seem to be making a good faith effort to actually sort people. most of his points are disjointed, dry, pedantic, and uninspired. i don't think he's picking up on the same things the rest of the town is b/c he's not looking for the same things town are. he seems more interested in looking for tenable attack angles and defensible positions. he's just got the "red in the inbox" mentality going on.

if you still don't know what i'm talking about, read these posts in succession: Post 178, Post 258, Post 270, Post 341. notice anything? well first he said he was scumreading karnage and then never delivered the goods on that. then he abruptly votes ranger at the first opportunity while coughing out the same tired "what about the lists?" point to trumpet the crusade. what's worse is that there aren't any great town-frills to his case like exploring the implications of ranger being scum in relation to the people on her list (i mean... yeah he did pretty much accuse me of being scum w/ her, but he backtracked the second i called him on it).

for kaag's "lolrandom, i'm whimsical and shit" routine, i can't help but feel there's a more calculating force factoring into his posting. it shows up at random times. here's a few examples: Post 45, Post 81, Post 102, Post 266, Post 279, Post 310. they all suggest that he thinks he knows exactly which levers to pull to get townread and he's pulling them AND making a show of doing it.

[Antihero]

Yes, but I can't tell you what it is yet. I don't want Ranger to fix what gives her away.

Oh, I actually have a scumtell. (More accurately: a lack of a specific towntell; this absence happens only when I'm scum.) You clearly haven't found it yet.

You're one of my favorite players on MafiaScum. Your playstyle is always interesting/amusing (=> not be taken in a negative way). I like how you always come up with this stuff with minimal effort.

i'm to the point now where i'm settling in and trying to get completely happy w/ my reads. ranger being town is a pretty important part of the axis my reads are spinning on right now.

is there a reason i should be especially doubtful of ranger?

[Antihero]

it's the fact that he was happy to go to L-1 on page 3, followed by the "I wish I hadn't" comment after it fell apart that gets me.

huh...
that sounds familiar...

He claims he voted for KAAG's reactions to being at L-1. His reaction test only works if there is a threat of a hammer so he can't say he regrets the vote later.

oh yeah.

what's the smoking gun here?

[Antihero]

no no no

you definitely co-opted the "regretting it later was scummy" point from karnage.

that's really what i'm asking about.

[Antihero]

ai, bro, get a clue

someone hammer

[Antihero]

Claim isn't risky at all, scum knows the PRs in the game.

Straw poll, would you give town a 1-shot cop? I wouldn't

oh, i was under the impression you were cc'ing...

nvr mind then
UNVOTE:
VOTE: kaag

[Antihero]

i still don't believe the claim for a second, but i guess wait until massclaim before bro and ai figure that out

[Antihero]

If Karnage is scum, I kind of want to circle back to not_maf because I'm not sure if he just doesn't understand game theory or really wants to bus for towncred.

mmmmmmmmm i'm starting to worry about bro now

[Antihero]

If he was counterclaiming, he should have made it explicit. Yes, he would be NK'ed, but it is the best play for town. Objectively.

eh

if you can ramrod the lynch through while keeping your cover that would actually be ideal. hard to pull off though.

[Antihero]

yeah i can also roll w/ that

VOTE: smudger

[Antihero]

smudger, i'm kind of in a place of "not sure if bad or scum." i'm leaning the latter though. like alwaysinnocent, he seems really out of step w/ the town herd. but unlike ai, he doesn't really seem to be making a good faith effort to actually sort people. most of his points are disjointed, dry, pedantic, and uninspired. i don't think he's picking up on the same things the rest of the town is b/c he's not looking for the same things town are. he seems more interested in looking for tenable attack angles and defensible positions. he's just got the "red in the inbox" mentality going on.

if you still don't know what i'm talking about, read these posts in succession: Post 178, Post 258, Post 270, Post 341. notice anything? well first he said he was scumreading karnage and then never delivered the goods on that. then he abruptly votes ranger at the first opportunity while coughing out the same tired "what about the lists?" point to trumpet the crusade. what's worse is that there aren't any great town-frills to his case like exploring the implications of ranger being scum in relation to the people on her list (i mean... yeah he did pretty much accuse me of being scum w/ her, but he backtracked the second i called him on it).

[Antihero]

Not_Mafia, if you are the 1-Shot Cop, you're going to die anyway. Even without saying it explicitly.

oh, but he's right. that claim is scum scum scum scum scum. with a capital S-C-U-M.

he never crumbed it before now, he didn't went out of his way to make the claim itself visible, and he's completely lacking the "fuck you" attitude that comes w/ an outed pr. this is textbook "scum going down so try to draw a cc." but unfortunately for karnage, i read the textbook.

by the way if anyone out there is really a one-shot cop, don't cc yet. go ahead and try to get a result tonight and cc tomorrow.

[Antihero]

it's also possible scum didn't pick cop and he's claiming it because he knows it won't be cc'ed.

cop is one of the most frequent from my meta study before, so i think it's unlikely.

[Antihero]

I don't crumb my roles either, so the claim in itself is not suspicious to me.

if that claim is really legit and i'm misjudging it this badly, i'm seriously losing my touch

[Antihero]

ai is shiny. don't get distracted.

vote kaag or smudger

vote scum

[Antihero]

no he didn't.

[Antihero]

why aren't you voting smudger?

[Antihero]

make your case on ranger

nut up or shut up

[Antihero]

Oh yeah KAAG is pretty obviously town and that wagon on him was terrible.

VOTE: voided

bro, could you please talk about these two things more?

that's what really kind of nagging at me.

[Antihero]

VOTE: kaag

[Antihero]

you have no idea how tempted i am to revote karnage

[Antihero]

And I've already explained why like 5 times and yet people are still circling back to this.

if you could answe my earlier questions thatd be great tia

[Antihero]

Let's just lynch smudger and be done with this

if i was confident in a bro townread id be ready to vote smudger and never look back

[Antihero]

This is sudden.

not really...

[Antihero]

I would like you to talk to me about NM because while I can kinda see where you're coming from his posts just feel too low-content to make me happy with a townread on him.

ok...

if you see where i'm coming from what are you asking about?

[Antihero]

I have not intention of voting smudger atm

I'm happy with my vote on Not_Mafia

Vanity wagons don't help man. Would you compromise on kaag?

you're wasting your time. he's scum.

[Antihero]

Sorry karnage that might've been kinda harsh. It's just I was pretty confident you were scum and I'm trying to recalibrate now.

?????????????

[Antihero]

"laying low" was never a large part of what made him scum and he's not a weak player or a pr, he's scum

[Antihero]

i'm quickly degenerating into AP mode....

fjdsl;ajflkadsjkjkl;ejviroew;w

[Antihero]

I suppose it would be premature to put Karnage there.
Anti's right, he could be scum fakeclaiming.
But if BROseidon is scum, Karnage is town.

why would you townread karnage just for the claim?

[Antihero]

I'll be pretty surprised if KAAG flips scum.

/sigh, why is that?
it looks to me like you're assuming this level of guilelessness that's just so... naive

i don't think of you as a naive person, bro

[Antihero]

god fucking dammit

VOTE: smudger

[Antihero]

because i'm an asshole and a sucker for ate

[Antihero]

AP=AngryPigeon?

yes

[Antihero]

everyones a fucking critic. kaag was already claimed and there was a good chance he was just going to get lynched today.

i will be burning my readslist and starting over when i get back.

[Antihero]

Vig probably doesn't claim today? I guess they could under the same logic, but I don't think it's as necessary.

yeah well im doing it. theres no way for scum to stop me from using my second shot so whtvr.

[Antihero]

There goes the potential upside of having 2 conftown in a 7p LyLo should you miss tonight :/

tbh it was p. obvious.

was i ever going to get lynched this game regardless?

no

[Antihero]

youll still have 2 conftown in lylo. maybe 3 if karnage pans out

[Antihero]

ok so i got something right d1

[Antihero]

im still good w nm and probably ai townread
i need to refresh voided read.

still not townreading bro and that stinks

[Antihero]

i'd love to teach ai a lesson and lynch him for shutting down the karnage wagon the first go round.

sadly, i still think he's probably town. /fart

[Antihero]

varsoon (obviously), smudger, and AI are my top town reads.

I'm pretty much null on the next group (town-->scum):
KAAG - I didnt like the early claim but I don't find him paticularly scummy
Ranger - willing to give reads at least
FCP - didnt get a feel either way
Bro -???
Anti - i don't like the naked votes
Titus - didn't like her desire to sheep antihero.

lowell could be scum. I dont like how he brushes of a claim on p-3 nor his vote on FCP. I don't like his like of quickhammers either.

still like voided for scum. 107 127 160 just dont seem to work together.

Not_mafia may or may not be scum but his play is anti-town. he's just in it for the lulz which is an unfortunate trend on this site. I'd be fine with his lynch.

not looking good for bro...

[Antihero]

ughgghglk;sadfkl;sajf;ljasef

i read karnage's iso and think bro's scum
then i read bro's iso and think he's town

fuck maybe it is voided and titus?

[Antihero]

So?

oh ...right
it provides an alternate explanation for why bro is the ONLY person karnage couldn't cough up a little blurb for

[Antihero]

i kinda' want to lynch voided today and just deal w/ karnage myself tonight.

it doesn't really matter, i'm just impatient.

[Antihero]

VOTE: karnage

i doubt karnage is even going to bother to show up.

[Antihero]

/pumps shotgun

[Antihero]

fucking a

[Antihero]

Of the living players if I remove us, Anti and Varsoon, then that leaves Titus, Almost50(replaced AlwaysInnocent), Not_Mafia and BROseidon.

only need 1 good townread from that for autowin

hm...

[Antihero]

i guess mine would be bro?

[Antihero]

..what the fuck where did all these new posts come from?

[Antihero]

ok well great

another lesson from this: speed of the wagon means nothing

[Antihero]

Though I admit I did little in this one other than look scummy.

i don't agree w/ that. i had a pretty firm townread on you from about mid d1 on.